Cheryl Henson (daughter of Jim Henson) kicks the recently fired

>>93946133
>(although Whitmire said in an interview several years ago that ALL the Henson children agreed that he should take over)
Correction: it was Brian, Jane Henson (Jim's wife), and Frank Oz who agreed that Steve should be the new Kermit.

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>>93946133
>yet another dumb cunt sides with those who are trying to destroy her heritage's legacy

>>93946265
What's the matter, anon? you seem overly salty

Statement from Muppets Studio (courtesy ToughPigs.com):
>"The role of Kermit the Frog is an iconic one that is beloved by fans and we take our responsibility to protect the integrity of that character very seriously. We raised concerns about Steve’s repeated unacceptable business conduct over a period of many years and he consistently failed to address the feedback. The decision to part ways was a difficult one which was made in consultation with the Henson family and has their full support."
Why would Disney/Muppets Studio go to the Henson family? The Hensons have been pretty hands off for years...

Did jim really want to make this a bitchfest?

>>93946355
There was no way he could have seen this coming.

>>93946355
Who knows what Jim wanted?

>>93946355
Jim wanted riots. Why are we not rioting?

>>93946133
>President of the Jim Henson Foundation

This bitch is literally living off the legacy of her father

>>93946349
So they could pay them off before they had a chance to be on Steve's side.

>>93946133
This just seems needlessly bitchy on her part. I don't even know where she's getting this Bitter Victim Kermit idea from.

Hell, shouldn't the blame be on the writers and not the actors if that's the problem?

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>>93946133
>>93946349
What the fuck did Whitmire do to get this response?

I gotta know

>>93946343
I have more respect for those grabbing more and more power in society than those who happily surrender it to them.

>>93946450
this kind of shit happens all the time. Frank Zappa's wife has done everything in her power to keep his music obscure and inaccessible over the decades since his death because she resents the fact that she allowed him to fuck groupies will he was alive.

>>93946478
He kept drunkenly fucking Miss Piggy and he was really good at finding the puppet while drunk after they kept hiding it from him.

>>93946478
He disagreed with the writing on the ABC show as not being in character with characters he has been working with and performing since they were created. Clearly Disney knew better and the show was canceled after a single season.

>>93946199
Jim told him in a dream.l

>>93946391
He didn't really write any plans for how the Muppets should continue without him, the only thing he left were scripts and ideas for future projects.
>>93946454
I'm pretty sure they only consulted Cheryl because they knew Brian Henson is the only one (or maybe even John Henson before he died) who's honest-to-god trying to keep his father's legacy alive and trying so hard to bring many of Jim's projects to life in one form or another.

>>93946133

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ta7mkgrOU

>>93946133
Just watch. Shortly after his characters are recast, Muppets are going to become much more "inclusive" with LGBT and similar nonsense.

>>93946663
>Muppets are going to become much more "inclusive" with LGBT and similar nonsense.
"They're puppets. They don't exist below the waist!" -Steve Whitmire to students in a Q&A session at Carnegie Mellon University.

>>93946133
I wonder what her Disney paycheck looks like?

>>93946133
>he had not been not funny or fun
>not been not
>not
what?

>>93946979
Sometimes you need to be serious. He was having way too much fun, the hippy needed to be knocked down a peg.

>>93946924
>this was said in a response to bert and ernie being gay
Well, looks like The Muppets are about to pull a Korra and make them gay for the sjw points.

>>93946924
Then how did they ride bikes in the movies? Checkmate, ashiest.

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>>93947029
>hippy
No, he just plays a hippy in the movies.

Quit riding Jim's corpse you scuzzy hoe.

Holy shit what a fucking cunt.

>>93946133
Nah, you sold it to Disney. You can't blame Steve for the shows hack writing either.

>>93946265
Probably got a few sheckles for it from Disney.

>>93946133
OP here: Just so everyone knows, I'm not the monster who took the screencap and liked this Facebook post.

Honestly, this just comes down to his word against theirs, and I don't want to jump to conclusions without the full story.

But I'm inclined to side with the only person in this story who has an actual, demonstrable creative tie to the show, and not the company known for hiring yes-men creators and the lady who's done nothing her entire life but make money off of her father's creation.

Cheryl Henson instills about as much faith in me that she has the best interest of the Muppets at heart as Courtney Love does of Kurt Cobain.

>>93946349
So they can go "see, the actual Hensons are on our side!" and try and nip this controversy in the bud.

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>>93946663
Yeah, the Muppets have never been associated with social progressiveness. As we all know, Henson hated all minorities and alternative lifestyles.

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>>93946663
Richard Hunt was gay and that didn't stop Jim from hiring him for his talents.

>>93947788
>named dick hunt
>becomes gay
Honestly, what were his parents expecting?

>>93946133
Unless he was also writing him none of that is his fault.

>>93947828
Yeah, it's like he's searching for penises or something

>>93947851
In fact he actively tried to change the writing which is part of what got him canned.

>>93946133
SEE I TOLD you based Disney made the right call

They ALWAYS do

>>93946265
But she wants to make Kermit great again. Like how he was back in the good old days.

>>93947907
Don't you have some D23 or MCU thread to be in?

>>93946474
She's just doing what The Mouse told her to say.

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>>93946133
what the hell did Steve Whitmire even do to warrant all of this? Yelling Racial epithets? Fucking boys?

>>93947988
New thread >>93946285 says he was "giving unwanted notes during the short-lived Muppets reboot on ABC on how the characters should act" and something about a Union dispute.

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>>93947733
I forgot the specifics but apparently one state banned Sesame Street for a while on racial grounds since the cast of children was "highly integrated."

>>93948175
Mississippi.

>In May 1970, a state commission in Mississippi voted to exclude to host the show on its state educational TV network owing to concerns over the show's inclusive racial message. A member of the commission told the New York Times, that "Mississippi was not yet ready" for the show's integrated cast.

>>93947988
Mostly this

>Whitmire, who was asked to take over Kermit by Henson's family after the creator's untimely death in 1990, said that an instance of a note was over a script for the new ABC series, canceled last year, in which Kermit lied to his nephew, Robin, about his breakup with Miss Piggy.

>"I don't think Kermit would lie to him," Whitmire explained. "I think that is Robin came to Kermit he would say 'things happen, people go their separate ways, but that doesn't mean we don't care about you.' Kermit is too compassionate to lie to him to spare his feelings."

>He continued, "We have been doing these characters for a long, long time and we know them better than anybody. I thought I was aiding to keep it on track and I think a big reason why the show was canceled (after one season last fall) was because that didn't happen. I am not saying my notes would have saved it, but I think had they listened more to all of the performers, it would have made a really big difference.'"

>>93947066
>Steve was fired from Sesame Street in 2014
>Was replaced by Billy Barkhurst
>Burt and Ernie were still straight
>Billy is now fired as well and replace by Peter Linz
Oh god, it's finally happening isn't it?

>>93948453
>Steve was fired from Sesame Street in 2014
No: "Beginning in 2006, Whitmire's availability for Sesame Street had somewhat lessened due to his commitment to projects with The Muppets Studio."

>>93948453
Steve wasn't fired from Ernie, he couldn't combine Sesame with the Muppets so he chose to focus on that instead

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>>93946133
>Guys this is good. Remember to buy all the Muppet related things in Disney's future so I can have more money

I don't expect Muppets to get any better in the future.

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Jim continues to roll in his grave.

>>93947733
Having blacks on tv is not the same thing as preaching normalcy of homosexual and transsexual lifestyles. It's a form of conditioning that says "Hey. Being gay and cutting your dick off is cool. Join us!"

Might as well teach kids to smoke like they did in the 50s.

>>93947675
>So they can go "see, the actual Hensons are on our side!" and try and nip this controversy in the bud.
The issue I take with that is whether or not the other Hensons are willing to agree with Cheryl or go against her. I'm certain Brian would at least have something to say about this situation. given >>93946199's post.

>>93948658
Or maybe it's just saying "don't be a dick to gay people or trannies just because they're gay or trannies".

>>93948666
>I'm certain Brian would at least have something to say about this situation
I'm sure he's fucking furious right now. He's probably holding his tongue because he wants to be the better person of the Henson family.

>>93948705
Same thing.

>>93946516
Gail died recently and I'm finally starting to see Zappa records creep back into stores

>>93948711
He has to speak up if only to counter Disney's statement of them supposedly being okay with this.

>>93948705
When you accept radicalized belief systems into a relative vacuum, the radicals take over.

>>93946133
Jesus christ, talk about throwing someone under the bus. It would have been one thing if she had simply voiced the opinion that change isnt always bad or whatever, but she really goes all out about defacing Steve here. From call him a self serving liar, or historical revisionist, to shitting all over the body of his work.

I wonder how much money disney passed her under the table?

>>93948705
Under what circumstances are little kids going to be interacting with actual gays or trannies? Any parents who pushes the idea that their boy is really a girl or girl is really a boy on a child too young to know better for themselves should be considered an abuser on par with a pedophile.

>>93948821
There's nothing radical about not letting homos be homo. It's pretty radical to suggest we should censor media because it doesn't promote morals you approve of.

>>93947066
I'm sorry but even as kid I knew those two were fucking gay. Two men don't just live as roommates and share a bedroom for 4 decades.

>>93946450
After squeezing out everyone else.

>>93948882
Do you also think that shows promoting murder to children should be allowed too, because you don't see anything wrong with it?

>>93948823
A lot if they were making her this willing to slander Steve this badly.

Hell, I wonder if Cheryl even gave two shit about the Muppets as a whole to begin with.

>>93948938
Nah she just wanted to be on top.

>>93948883
>4 decades.
That's not how time works with Muppets.

>>93948938
>I wonder if Cheryl even gave two shit about the Muppets as a whole to begin with
She essentially does nothing except approve her brother's projects, she doesn't really care about anything except the almighty dollar.

>>93948929
Wew lad that's quite a leap

>>93948929
this is your brain on /pol/

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>>93947733
It's also one of the few shows out there with an accurate, informed, and respectful portrayal of vampires.

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>>93948929
>Do you also think that shows promoting murder to children should be allowed too
Yes. It's not your responsibility to be a kid's parent, FCC.

>>93949306
>accurate, informed, and respectful portrayal of vampires.
He has arithmomania, and the early episodes he could use hypnosis.
The literary got nothing else right.

>>93948838
>Under what circumstances are little kids going to be interacting with actual gays
Just about anywhere. Homosexuals aren't completely segregated from the rest of the world.

>>93949515
No, but they should be.
They used to have monasteries and things.
I say we should do that again.

>>93948882
Lending credence to the homo lifestyle is fine in itself. There's nothing wrong with gay people. Pretending that gays are common and normal is inaccurate and is part of liberal conditioning. It's using pop culture to paint a false picture of society.

It becomes even worse when the media starts pushing the narrative of trans normalcy and the heroism of transsexuals. Transexuality isn't normal and it isn't healthy. But pop culture is creating the idea that it's fashionable to be inclusive of this shit.

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>>93946265
This.

just because you are a family member of a great person does not make you great.

it's like when general pattons family didn't back trump even though they have the same manner of speaking and talk exactly the same

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>>93946133
>Steve performed Kermit as a bitter, angry, depressed, victim.

what is it with frogs and depression

>>93949722
You can only do so much with the shit scripts you're given

>>93946133
>blaming the guy hired to say the lines instead of those writing the lines
Fucking fuck, Steve thought those lines were OOC, god dammit

Fucking bitch, I hope Brian and John Henson say something

>>93949845
>John Henson
You might wanna sit down, anon. I have some bad news...

>>93949722
It's not easy being green

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>>93948711
Things have taken a turn for the worse, Brian actually joined in the shitflinging and has thrown Steve under the bus as well. How big a cheque did Disney give them, holy shit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/arts/television/kermit-the-frog-disney-firing.html

>“He played brinkmanship very aggressively in contract negotiations,” said Lisa Henson, president of the Jim Henson Company, and Jim Henson’s daughter, in a telephone interview.

>Ms. Henson said Mr. Whitmire was adamantly opposed to having an understudy for his role, which presented problems when it came to what she called “B-level performances, such as a ribbon-cutting.” She said he was unwilling to appear on some of these occasions but also refused to develop an understudy and that he “blackballed young performers” by refusing to appear on the show with them.

>Brian Henson, the company’s chairman and Jim Henson’s son, said that while Mr. Whitmire’s Kermit was “sometimes excellent, and always pretty good,” things changed when he was off set.

>“He’d send emails and letters attacking everyone, attacking the writing and attacking the director,” he said. .”

>In a reflection of Disney’s determination to undercut Mr. Whitmire, executives there also arranged an interview for a Times reporter with a producer on a Muppets-related project who expressed the same criticisms as the Henson family. The producer declined to speak for attribution, however.

For Mr. Whitmire, who didn’t respond to the criticisms leveled by the Hensons or Disney, this is the end of a professional journey that has occupied his entire adult life. His bond with the Muppets began when, at age 10, he wrote a letter to Mr. Henson asking questions about puppetry around the same time “Sesame Street” had its premiere.

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>>93950060
Also something I noticed from that 2015 picture of the opening of the The Center for Puppetry Arts Jim Henson Exhibition, Steve Whitmire was photoshopped out of it. Note the repeating pattern on the door.

>>93950060
I honestly am starting to think the Henson family really did despise Whitmire, and that Steve escalated it well enough with Disney so that the company rang up Henson to make this decision

>>93950138
>Steve Whitmire was photoshopped out of it.
The hell? That's some Stalin shit

>>93950060
I'm at the point I'm not willing to believe any 'professional' news source, but if this is true it would mean having his balls cut off was justified. It makes Disney look entirely in the right.

Which means it's probably a load of lies.

>>93950060
>“He’d send emails and letters attacking everyone, attacking the writing and attacking the director,”
He should. It was shit writing and shit directing.

>>93948658
>Having blacks on tv is not the same thing as preaching normalcy of homosexual and transsexual lifestyles.

It was in the 60's, anon.

>>93948383
>watched The Muppets on ABC
>it was exactly this episode that made me stop because it was that bad
I also had problems with Fozzie and Scooter's characterizations in the show and bizarrely it always seemed like Gonzo had no interest in the show as a character actor when he usually is more enthusiastic.

>>93950138
So Kermit is now just floating there?

>>93950229
Seems weird for the entire Henson senpai to suddenly come out of the woodwork and all of a sudden backstab Steve Whitmire after being more than okay with him being Kermit for years.

>>93950248
Being black is a skin color. Being gay is a lifestyle choice. One is merely a surface level attribute. The other is a way of life.

Again, it's not the same thing.

>>93950456
>It's not easy being green

>>93950349
To be a devil's advocate for a moment.

These kinds of internal spats would naturally go unadvertised. To most people it would look very sudden. This kind of 'sudden firing' happens a lot. No one advertises the internal politics of their business.

This is why anyone who has a job and doesn't want to get fucked should keep a personal record of everything that happens. Even minor spats. In the end, it looks like he said she said to outsiders.

Steve gives a video interview with Inside Edition:
>http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/24509-kermit-the-frog-voice-actor-abruptly-axed-after-27-years-so-much-hope-is-gone
Can anyone tell me what he says in the video? Internet is shitting itself right now.

>>93950602
>>93950349
Oh, also.

If any job dispute turns in to a legal matter, any lawyer would probably advise you to say as little as possible publicly. If he's being dead silent on his own behalf, there might be a reason.

>>93950743
That video is rough to watch it's making me tear up and seeing the Henson family turn his back on him for seemingly no reason is all the more saddening.

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>Have no idea about the status of Muppets as of today
>This entire thread

>>93950855
Thing is, he was let go in October 2016. He kept quiet about it for so long in hopes of getting the job back even in a more limited capacity where he promised not to speak up against what they were doing wrong with these characters.

>>93950926
>He kept quiet about it for so long in hopes of getting the job back even in a more limited capacity where he promised not to speak up against what they were doing wrong with these characters.
That man has to be a saint to put up with the mouse's shit like that.

>>93947871
Tssss

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Jesus christ, this is up there with how Konami treated Kojima.

Fucking disney. Fucking shit henson children.

>>93950229
Perhaps Disney's paying the news sites off too.

Anything's possible when you're a multi-billion dollar company.

>>93951011
I thought at least Brian would have his back, or at least keep quiet.

What a miserable day.

>>93950743
How is this even okay? >>93951051

>>93947988
He didn't think Kermit should tell lies and a union deal that let him work more hours for less pay didn't go far enough for Disney's liking.

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>>93950743
>All of these news sites calling Steve a voice actor and not a puppeteer

>>93951081
So, does this mean the puppeteer purge is going to happen soon?

Because if it does, who's to say Disney will just stop with the Muppets?

>>93950743
God damn man. I've seen so much fucked-up stuff on the internet and laughed it off, but this is the fucking video that broke me. I feel so bad for the guy. There's gotta be something we can do.

Fuck the Hensens, honestly.

BREAKING NEWS!
For the first time in years, Disney is letting the Jim Henson Company be involved in a new Muppet production! Brian Henson is set to direct a new television series starring the Muppets in 2018, and the other Henson children will serve as writers.
The theme song for the new show was released on the Muppet's Youtube page:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Uz8rk7H6Q

>>93946133
>it's a get mad because ebil woman said something that offends me episode
God you bitches are sensitive. Disney owns kermit, disney fired whitmire. Cheryl is by all means her father's successor. If anyone knows the story, it's her and not some butthurt faggot on /co/.

>what projects his company finishes tend to be mediocre
>his friends and colleagues are driven off
>the Muppets are barely-relevant shadows of their former selves
>his kids are pieces of shit
Jim deserves better.

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>>93951312
>There's gotta be something we can do.
Nope.

Hate to break it, but we can't do shit. This is done, it's over. We're watching the fallout.

The most we could do as fans is write letters/emails/get in touch with him to know how much he meant to us, how we loved his portrayal of Kermit and that we wish him the best of luck in the future.

>>93951401
Your father would be ashamed, Cheryl.

Bad enough they fired him, but they're also making damn sure he struggles to find future work.

>>93951401
>Cheryl is by all means her father's successor.
She may be her father's successor, but she's shitting on Jim's legacy for throwing this poor bastard under the bus.

>>93951501
>but she's shitting on Jim's legacy for throwing this poor bastard under the bus.
Or perhaps everyone was tired of him shitting on Jim's legacy and his bus toss was long over due.

>>93951433
>get in touch with him to know how much he meant to us, how we loved his portrayal of Kermit and that we wish him the best of luck in the future.
If anyone wants to get ahold of him, he has his own blog: https://stevewhitmire-muppetpundit.com/

>>93951401
>Cheryl is by all means her father's successor.
Why?

>>93948821
You aren't preventing shit by posting on 4chan my man

>>93951588
By definition.

>Disney will never pay you to backstab your friends

>>93951622
But she hasn't taken on his workload or responsibility.

I have always wanted to have sex with Miss Piggy.

>Steve Whitmire has been found dead this morning with two shots in the back of his head, police ruled it as suicide.

>>93951697
Literally owns one of his companies and shares ownership of the other

What has Cheryl even contributed to the Muppets?

>>93946133

>I'm a huge cunt: the post

Goddamn.

>>93951817
Let's see: she had a few cameos in Sesame Street when she was a kid, she sold the Muppets to Disney...and that's about it.

>>93946133
Someone with a normiebook account should tell her to fuck off, hopefully she'll read it, the worthless cunt.

>>93952015
Imagine the salt from her if she does.

She'd soon turn her attention to the fans and then it all goes nuclear.

>>93952015
I'm sure there are people already doing that.

>>93951312
Down vote everything on the Muppets YouTube channel and sign the petition so at least Steve gets to see that he was loved as Kermit.

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>>93950743

>The hope is gone

>>93946663
> I need to redpill everyone
You need to shut the fuck up and not post again until you turn 18.

>>93948658
>teach kids to smoke like they did in the 50s
If you're referring to the Flintstones doing Winston ads, those aired in prime time (just like the show) when kids were in bed.

>>93948929
Analogy is a demonstrative method, not a form of proof

>>93946133
Disney is an evil corporation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Wilderness_(film)
>killed a bunch of lemmings for a movie

>>93951559
>muppetpundit
And just like that he goes from being Jim Henson's spiritual successor to being Ken Penders.

>>93952857
>comparing someone who had a hand in trying to preserve Henson's legacy to someone who cares about himself and only himself

>>93952558
https://youtu.be/Drz6WZg9rgY

"Be careful or you may regret the choice you made someday" - a song Disney edits out of all new releases of Muppets Christmas Carol

>>93953134
yeah, I was a fucking dick there wasn't I. Apologies.

>>93950743
>using Jim's death to make people feel sorry for you
what a piece of shit. I can't believe you guys are buying into it. This guy seems manipulative

>>93953622
this

it's sick and everyone agrees Disney made the right call

>>93946265
Cheryl hated her father. repeatedly on record shitting on him and her childhood

>>93953821
Source?

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https://youtu.be/hpiIWMWWVco
Post muppets songs to cheer up

>>93953622
>>93953664
Don't you guys have a MCU thread to shitpost in?

>>93946133
>stating that Steve's Kermit is disgraceful to her father's legacy
lmao nigga it's a fucking puppet frog

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>walts son in law and nephew sell disney
>jims kids sell muppets to disney
>everything is a clusterfuck

oh boy

>>93949570
You just want to hoard all the fags for yourself. Nice try.

>>93954124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF8ZgguyQ3Y

>>93952558
And that cunty quote in that same video from Lisa Henson was outright appalling, how is "He had it a long time coming." going to help your case besides make you look uncaring and ice cold? I'm deeply disappointed in all three remaining Henson kids, especially Brian.

>>93950138
I was going to suggest that Steve was just very well hidden and the pattern on the door is just the wood grain, but they appear to have poorly Photoshopped Steve's feet out of the picture as well.

>>93953186
No, you have it backwards: The song was edited out of the theatrical release, but every subsequent release has had the song reinserted.

>>93947907
>>93947918
i know cuck shitposting is a worn out hat but you guys would literally watch your moms get fucked by mickey if you had the chance.

>>93954124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNfHU748SYQ
Favorite muppet song and relevant

>>93946133
>you have liked this post

faggot

>>93946557
Well that show DID suck...

Was Whitmore's Kermit really noticeably different from Henson's?
I'm a casual viewer, and Kermit seemed pretty consistent from the old stuff to post-Henson stuff

>>93958845
Kermit gave up on all his friends to sit alone in a mansion and sulk when he is supposed to be the glue that keeps them together in troubling times.

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>>93960095
>>93960095
>same Kermit who only stepped away for ten minutes in doubt in Muppet Movie and only one who kept the dream alive in New York during Takes Manhatten is the same Kermit who holes himself in his mansion and cloisters himself away in the Muppets
>the overall arc of Kermit's romance with Piggy is finalized in Most Wanted only to be shit all over in the tv series right out the gate
Whitmere was RIGHT you Disney faggots!

>>93949632
jesus christ I can't tell who's serious any more.

>>93947733
Does PBS still own Sesame Street? Since Kermit is under muppets, Is Kermit still allow to appear in Sesame street like back then or did Disney's buyout, prevent that?

>>93961538
No, HBO does. HBO airs the episodes first and they're aired on PBS later.

>>93961620
Ah. thanks. And is Kermit still appears on Sesame street or is that gone now too since Disney bought the Muppets?

>>93946133
>blaming the VA for the writers

>>93961705
Kermit stopped being on Sesame Street long ago, before the Disney deal. To answer your question, yes Disney owns Kermit and The Muppets.

>>93961538
>Is Kermit still allow to appear in Sesame street like back then or did Disney's buyout, prevent that?
Once in a blue moon, Disney allows Kermit to show up (either for a Sesame anniversary or if the Muppets are doing a movie or something) and the Sesame people can use old Kermit footage in new episodes whenever they want and don't have to go through Disney.

>>93946133

I wonder what Disney gave her.

It's not like she has expressed this before.

Cheryl Henson doesn't even have a wikipedia article until all her siblings. Does she avoid being in public usually?

God, it's like I can feel Jim's anger from the other side. I hope he haunts some asses

>>93946265
Women spread there legs for conquerors. Always have always will.

>>93951312
hire an assasin on the deeps web to kill the henson kids. if he's a fan maybe he'll give us a discount

>>93951407
That's the story of every good man's legacy.
Bad times make good men. Good times make bad men.