Is this the Dragonball of western cartoons?

It's probably something like Scooby Doo.

>>93885371
Yeah, Dragonball GT

Yea I could see that.

Season 1 - DragonBall
Jailbreak and onward - DragonBall Z

>>93885371
Goku grew up, Steven stays the same.

>>93885617
KEK
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They rarely fight and mostly just stand around crying... Crying Anime...


It's One Piece OP. It's fucking One Piece. Nobody will stop crying and everyone must tell you how sad their backstory is. Steven Universe is fucking One Piece.

>>93885685
Now if only Steven Universe was a good as One Piece.

It hamfists anime references all over the place. Evangelion and Utena, to name a couple. I didn't catch the others but I'm sure there's plenty more, DB is probably somewhere in there with steven running around naked in the first season.

>>93885685
anon, i will grant that they do spend a heavy amount of time at the beach, but steven hasnt been out on the open ocean since he found that time ball thingy.

>>93885800
>hamfisted
You can't even tell they are references unless you're a weeb because they fit into the overall episode. That isn't hamfisted. Hamfisted would be a non-weeb being left wondering why the they just said [insert anime reference here] because it didn't make sense in the context of the episode, or worse them looking at the camera afterwards. Saying congratulations three times after someone accomplished some feat is not hamfisted.

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>>93885860
Thematically, they are identical shows. Regardless of the differences in plot and quality.

They are both shows where everything is a sad thing that must be cried about. Even a random fucking dog. Every other episode, a new tragedy to cry about must be exposed.

>>93885940
>Kiki's pizza episode
>Not hamfisted

>>93885371
No. Don't ask stupid questions.

>>93886148
>Literally the only reference is in the title
>the episode is literally about Kiki delivering pizzas
>this anon shitting himself over it
You must be a delight at parties. It was a fucking title that made sense given the plot of the episode.

Also it had sweaty ebony thighs swaying in the sun.

>>93885371
>show about a crying protagonist who uses empathy to solve all his problems when his dues ex machina powers aren't kicking in is the same as a show about men training and pushing their bodies past their limits and pain to overcome and kill their adversaries
It's the literal opposite

>>93886298
Doesn't it end in a really obnoxious and in your face Evangeline reference?

>>93885371
If so, they managed to make something even worse than Dragonball. Which is actually impressive considering how shit Dragonball is.

>>93886523
Pretty sure it ends with sweaty ebony thighs swaying in the sun.

>>93886547
Your cummies doesn't = good writing

>>93885371
South American here, please turn off your computer and proceed to whip yourself on the back multiple times

>>93886547
just because the show appeals to your mental disorder doesn't mean it's written well

>>93885974
Lmfao they would

>>93885371
It is more like the shitball of western cartoons.

>>93885371

Well, this is suppose to be the western Sailor Moon. But it's romance is terrible.

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>>93886578
>being straight is a mental disorder now listen to me rant about how awful it is for cartoons to reference anime
I'd be surprised if this isn't the low point of my interneting for today.

>>93886560
>cummies
Pedos and brits get out.

>>93886796
>he's attracted to the thighs of an underage girl in a cartoon
yeah you're a degenerate

>>93886523
Yea but during a dream sequence. Nobody who hasnt seen Eva would be confused

>>93886796
maybe they assumed you were white and something something miscegenation

>>93885371

If youre stupid, maybe.

>>93885649
Goku grew physically, but never matured mentally. Steven has very slightly matured mentally and completely regressed physically

>>93886852
Doesn't the episode end with Jenny saying she is missing a concert to help Kiki get a break, Steven looks to the beach, and sees Kiki running *cut to credits*?

>>93886878
and the worst father ever... yeah, i got that point

>>93886878
To be fair he just had a mental breakdown a few episodes ago that was so bad it might as well have been a dissociation moment. He didn't even hear Connie talking to him he was freaking out so badly.

Why a pig nose? Out of all the noses they could have used? Why use one that looks like it's been partially cut off?

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>>93886878
Pottery.

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>>93885371

>>93886878
>Steven has slightly matured mentally
He matured more than any fictional character I have ever seen in 5 seasons.

Seriously go watch Cheeseburger Backpack and then Stuck Together. The difference is night and day

>>93886924
>Cheeseburger Backpack

Who would put themselves through that hell a second time?

>>93886924
>He matured more than any fictional character I have ever seen in 5 seasons.
I would LOVE to hear what other characters you are comparing him to

>>93886982
Goku.

>>93886995
So the only other character you are comparing him to is a protagonist from an anime that was created a few decades ago?

>>93886924
I was on the Believing Boat since The Test, but then it turned out he was 13 years old and suddenly him simply being cognizant of the world not revolving around him isn't that big of an achievement.

>>93886878
>Steven has very slightly matured mentally
isnt his physical age determined by his mental age? If he is regressing physically then he can't be growing mentally, he has to be also retrogressing

>>93887048
I said any other fictional character. Go ahead and chose one and that is who I'm comparing him too.

>Created a few decades ago
Why does it matter when he was created? Are good character arcs only a recent invention or something?

>>93887048
>a few decades ago
You say that as if writing has objectively progressed since then.

>>93887073
Kinda sorta. It's based on how mature he views himself, not how mature he actually is.

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>>93886537
(you)

>>93887080
Let's take an easy one. Finn from Adventure time has matured less mentally than Steven?

>>93887087
the year comment was more about out of all the ones he decided to say he was comparing him to, he chose one from a long time ago, skipping over a shitload of possible character to compare him to
>>93887095
so he considers himself getting dumber over time, huh

>>93886995
Not Gon? Or Yusuke? Or any newer character?

Just Goku?

Ok. Sure, whatever floats your boat

>>93885371
Absolutely not

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>>93886924
>He matured more than any fictional character I have ever seen in 5 seasons.

Bobby hill would disagree.

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>>93887073
That has kind of been thrown out. He is obviously progressing mentally, is canonically not physically changing, and is actually physically regressing due to the evolving character designs of the show.

>>93887080
>Go ahead and chose one and that is who I'm comparing him too.
ANYONE from The Last Airbender?

>>93887110
I haven't seen Adventure Time since flame princess was introduced, but from what I remember he made very little progress up to that point. He was still a petty child who acted like the world revolved around him. I think I remember Bubblegum even calling him out on it or something. And I chose Goku for the comparison because it seemed appropriate given the theme of the thread

>>93887110
>the year comment was more about out of all the ones he decided to say he was comparing him to, he chose one from a long time ago, skipping over a shitload of possible character to compare him to
Okay, that makes sense. But if in that case the obvious rebuke is that we are in a thread about Dragonball.

>>93887104
Pretty illustrations—that's all a story needs.

>>93886537
>>93887181
Have you even seen dragon Ball?

>>93885649
Actually it's the opposite. Goku is literally retarded and retains a childlike nature his entire life. Steven Universe is all about Stevens gradual emotional maturing and transformation into a great leader, and it's done a very good job at that.

>>93887095
...Shit, that actually sounds kind of deep. Like, as he becomes more mature, he realizes just how immature he really is. And so his body changes accordingly.

They could totally explain away Steven's inconsistent sizes this way if they wanted to.

>>93887214
>They could totally explain away Steven's inconsistent sizes this way if they wanted to.

except for the human character who also have become warped gremlin people.

>>93887214
in a real theory, the devs are lazy fuckers who don't follow a scheme about the height of the characters, so that's why the "dwarfen" epidemic in Bitch... i mean Beach City.
And the another way, i'm not good writing in English... yeah

>>93887126
King of the Hill had 250 22 minute episodes spanning 13 seasons. Steven Universe has had 132 11 minute episodes.

>>93887272
Still plenty of time for meaningful growth in the hands of competent writers

>>93887272
Even then bobby managed to mature within the first 5 seasons.

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>>93887154
Actually even up to that point his progress was consistent. He started AT as an eleven year old kid, with the maturity to match. By the time he met Flame Princess he was a hormonal teenager and acted like it. He would eventually fuck up his relationship with Flame Princess because of this.

He's mellowed out a lot more since then, dealt with losing a limb twice, permanently the second time. Found out where he comes from and the tragic story of his parents. And even met up with Flame Princess again and had a conversation where he admitted he fucked up and apologized for it, and they've repaired their relationship somewhat. Though not in a romantic way, he seems to be into Huntress Wizard, but it's a much slower thing.

>>93886547
>Pretty sure it ends with sweaty ebony thighs swaying in the sun.
good ending.

>>93886924
>He matured more than any fictional character I have ever seen in 5 seasons.
>Finn hasn't matured

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>>93887356
Not more than Steven. Steven went from a deadweight goofball to win-win protag who would risk his life to save his enemy and who has recently sacrificed himself to save his friends. I mean, I don't mean to overplay my hand nor underplay how good King of the Hill was when you actually think about it, but come on. SU is about Steven developing and delivers in that regard (so long as you ignore some Lamar episodes).

>>93885371
only less gay

Yes regarding the tone

>>93885371

no, it's mostly gay shit and rainbows. It's like K-On but without the success

>>93885685

but wang piss never goes into one year hiatus. Maybe it's more like Beserk.

>>93885371
I don't get it.

>>93886924

>retarded kid evolved to being less retarded

woah, that's impressive

>>93887503
>went from a deadweight goofball to win-win protag who would risk his life to save his enemy and who has recently sacrificed himself to save his friends.

Just because the stakes where higher doesn't mean much. Bobby usually ended up finding the strength to do the right thing despite know he would probably fail at doing it.

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>>93886298
>>93886547

Pretty sure he's talking about this, newfriend.

Steven is basically young goku

>>93887202
I just wish they could show the physical side of that. He actually looks younger than his first appearance now.

>>93885371
If it means then thats quite sad. Im not saying DB is good but SU is a joke

>>93888924
that might be the worst possible reference I have ever scene

>>93885371
dragonball isn't a slice of life sitcom pretending to be a shounen. So no.

>>93888782
>Just because the stakes where higher doesn't mean much.
In other words it makes them hard to compare, which makes this tangent particularly pointless IMHO.

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>>93890641
But is Dragonball a shounen pretending to be a slice of life sitcom?

>>93891740
Yes and it does it incredibly well.

>>93885371

No it's not

>>93890566
In all fairness, Evangelion itself is pretentious hipster garbage made by fart sniffing "artists" so referencing it won't make it much better.

>>93891829
which is exactly why they referenced it

>>93888924
I still don't get why people got so angry at this. It isn't even the worst reference on a CN show

>>93887104
That's my favorite scene in both the manga and anime.

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>>93888924

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The Saiyan saga and second half of Season 1 are nearly identical in structure, so I'm going to go with yea.

>>93885371
Fuck no.

>>93885371
>Dragonball
>overwhelmingly adored by anime fans
>anime fans still acknowledge its flaws
>huge chunk of non anime fans love it
>non anime fans acknowledge its flaws

>Steven Universe
>very small percentage of cartoon fans like the show
>even smaller percentage of non cartoon fans like the show
>fans still defend every aspect of the show to death, even it's objective flaws in art

It's the exact opposite

>>93892972
don't forget Dragonball fans tend to be chill as fuck while steven universe fans have pushed people to suicide

https://youtu.be/KQJhucmYKYw

>>93891759
>incredibly well
These are some next level nostalgia goggles you are wearing, senpai.

No. Goku is a Super Sand Lesbian, not a Super Rock Lesbian

>>93887198
Yeah. It's dumb violence. That being said, it does a decent job at being dumb violence

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>>93893516
What are they, gay?

>>93885371
Yeah. The animation in both is mediocre in the best scenes, the fights were choreographed by someone with cerebral palsy, and the fans of both are either 30-year-old men with no male friends (women only hang out with them because they're non-threatening) or fat tumblr lesbians

>>93893797
Nice meme

>>93885685
they still grow as characters in one piece
in SU, they stay fundamentally the same throughout

>>93885940
>episode where they deliberately do the anime waterfall training & weighted training that you don't have to be a weeb to get
>they directly reference a meme
try again, m80

>>93886995
wow, that's such a high bar to reach
good for you, sunshine. you want a participation trophy?

>>93893890
>anything I disagree with is a meme

In both DB and SU, the punches are executed by standing perfectly still, squared up to their enemy, and flicking their arms at each other without using their legs for power at all

In DB, the """animation""" consists of 25 minutes of gifs of the characters doing one motion for a while before switching to another motion, then the credits roll.

In SU, the """animation""" consists of Bakshi-tier detachment from the overly-elegant backgrounds and people's eyes getting stars or One Piece-esque teardrops in their eyes and sometimes posing with their palms facing the air in some lazy shrug that literally every character uses for expressions.

>>93894057
That episode was an anime reference. That was the joke, dumdum.

>>93890149
more retarded young Goku
for all the shit people give Goku for being a retard, he's got some complex character moments that blow most out of the water

hell, in DBZ he realizes that he's the one who killed his own grandfather/father figure and caused mass destruction, but doesn't let it stop him from having the priorities at hand. it probably even drives him harder to keep fighting

he pushes his body to its limits and beyond as both a primal love of fighting and a sense of duty. he's made the tough choices to sacrifice friends and allies alongside himself to save everyone

and no matter how bad things get, he doesn't just break down crying. he just marches onward, doing more than what should be asked for someone bred to be a soldier who's had brain damage since his own infant years

>>93894414
don't give a shit if it was a dumb joke or not
still obvious weeb references b/c this is the product of incompetent artists making weebshit

>>93894240
The animation of DBZ was dogshit, but that doesn't mean you can just talk out of your ass anon. Also I like how you say all fans of Dragon Ball were nonthreatening men and fat lesbians. I can't imagine what things a real man as yourself watches

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>>93885371
It doesn't even begin to approach the quality. Yes that includes GT and Super, even DB at its worse is miles ahead of SU. A generation from now Dragonball will still be remembered while this hot pile of garbage will be a pile of dated jokes and forgotten characters. You got a laugh and a reply out of me though, so here's your (You).

>>93893097
Came here to post this

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>>93886924

I've never heard such an objectively false statement.

>>93885685
Holy shit this. They even have the same concept of "comedy".

>>93888563
SU isn't metal enough to be Berserk.

>>93885371
Yes. Cause there's mountains of filler and all the fights are boring as hell

Give some examples of why its the Western equivalent of DBZ.

>>93899791
>>93892676

>>93885974
kek

steven universe has better fights than dragon ball and that's all that matters

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related

Wow, this whole thread really reminds me of an all favorite moment for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQJhucmYKYw

>>93885371
no, transformers is

>>93902612
Regardless of this being bait, name a few.
I want you to work for your shitpost, son.

>>93885617
Delete the shitty post above this so this can be FPBP

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>>93902991
>>93903021

>>93885371
ye, p. much senpai.

>>93885617

DBGT is better than SU.

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>>93885617

>>93900108
How? And no, the "Jasper is Vegeta!" meme and the Two Best Friends video don't count.