seems like it's finally done. i totally forgot about it

Apparently not, OP.

>>93883048
No
He's a hack

>>93883048
I think I do. I'm interested in seeing how John K's style will look at it degrades further from start to finish.

>>93883048
Kickstarter was a mistake.

I'd like to see it

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>>93883048
What's done

Yay! John K. a best

>>93883048
Lord no.
If 5 year old me could recognize John K as a try hard unfunny hack, adult me certainly isn't falling for that shit.

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>>93883048

Apparently they are making the DVDs, so where is my digital copy? I have a feeling this is going to be one very unfinished looking animation.

MEGA when?

How can one man have such a good grasp on the issues plaguing cartoons and still get it all so wrong.

His taste in grossout is just repulsive and he can't time worth shit, I think he watches so many cartoons in slow motion he forgets what timing looks like. Off model isn't funny if there is no model established to be off from.

>>93883803
savage

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>>93883048
>Estimated delivery 2013

>>93886260
Hah, I'd forgotten its been that long.

>>93884937
His idea seems to be that modern cartoons are not shitty enough. He is the shittiest animator alive and he thinks he is the hot shit because he once amazed people with something so awful it was almost art.

So how long is the short?

John K is to Cartoons what David Cage is to Video Games and Tommy Wiseau is to film.

What is this even? Is this going to be a cartoon about a man opening cans?

>>93887514
Those guys actually make things.

>>93887827
No. They made one thing and then said they were going to make other things.

>>93887180
No, he's got great ideas in theory about contruction and forms, unique expressions and readability.

Somehow he fails on all 3, and DEAR GOD he can't time a joke for shit, i'm convinced Ren and Stimpy was saved in editing.

>>93883048
I'll never understand all the hate Ren & Stimpy gets on this board.
Although, I guess I kinda do, seeing all the love shit like Steven Universe gets.

>>93888869
Ren and Stimpy is good, but not amazing, stuff he influenced or got greenlit is way better like Ed Edd n Eddy and Cow and Chicken.

>>93888869
>/co/ is one person

>>93888471
david cage made 4 games. 2 of them came out last gen

also detroit is one of his games.

>>93888869
Ren and Stimpy had two good seasons during a turbulent time for Nick. John K was only part of their success, and this thread isn't about Ren and Stimpy at all.

Also the first three seasons of spongebob did what they did but far better than they could have hoped for.

>>93889050
It's not fair to compare anything to the first three seasons of spongebob

>>93883730
John K's project that he'd been doing for 1000000 years already

>>93888869

It's just memes because John K is so fun to shitpost about. Pay attention and you'll notice none of the posts are actually of any substance about the show.

>>93889050
First three seasons of Spongebob didn't manage to scare the shit out of me, while RoS did, therefore, they're inferior in at least one regard

>>93888869
>Although, I guess I kinda do, seeing all the love shit like Steven Universe gets.
Wut? Literally nobody on /co/ likes SU.

>>93883048
The fuck, I received no email. Is this some sort of higher tier shit?

>>93889212
Instead of scaring people with shock value they tried to be funny. Being funny turned them into an international hit and possibly one of the more successful cartoons period.

>>93888912
I never implied that, I just said it gets a lot of hate on this board, which it does. From many individuals.

>>93889050
>the first three seasons of spongebob did what they did but far better
We're gonna have to disagree, I guess. I was a kid when Ren & Stimpy came out and it was fucking mindblowing in a way no cartoon has ever been since. And the art in Ren & Stimpy is far superior to Spongebob. Just look at those fucking beautiful backgrounds.

>and this thread isn't about Ren and Stimpy at all.
Tell that to these tards
>>93887180
>>93883798

>>93889241
Why are there so many threads about it all the fucking time then?

>>93890256
John, you did good work, but really man, you need to calm down on the posing

>>93890361
I don't even like John, I just like Ren & Stimpy (which wasn't just John, as we could confirm when he tried to do shit on his own).

>>93888869
>Ren and Stimpy hate
where

>>93890470
There's been already 2 posts shitting on Ren & Stimpy just to shit on John K. and it seems to be the general attitude every time a John K. thread is posted. You can shit on the man and Adult Party all you want, we all know they deserve it, but to pretend R&S isn't a GOAT cartoon is foolish. We're still seeing ripoffs come out all the time.

>>93890256
>tell that to these tards
Yeah god forbid someone bring up Ren and Stimpy in a John K thread

>>93890551
Where did I say they shouldn't? I just said I'll never understand the hatred R&S gets here, that's all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAJQsFJklGI

it's great

>>93892153
>like five years for this shit
>still not done

Fer fuck's sake, some hack youtube animator could shit this out in two, three months tops.

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>>93892153
>it's been 7 years
>this is what John has to show for it

>>93892370
7 minutes 47 seconds
24 frames/sec & fairly fast animation so let's assume it's animated on 1s for the most part
11,208 full frames, but let's reduce to 11,100 for that 4 second ending frame

I'm no expert in flash, I mostly study traditional animation. if this were to go in 3 months that would be about 90 days of nonstop drawing for around 123 frames drawn/day, fully colored mind you. not impossible, but definitely quite the task for a single person

something more reasonable for this would be 1 full year, where you only have to draw 30 frames/day. hell, you can split that down by hiring a couple of people to do the in between frames, some more to do the coloring, etc .etc.

What ever happened to midnight pussy hunt?

>>93892683
>not impossible

damn impossible. Taking into account sleeping and some eating and what every man has to do a few tiimes per day that would mean one outlined fully colored frame per 6 minutes. Constantly. For 10+ hours a day...

>>93892912
I didn't realize John K was a pussy.

>>93892912
well, there were several frames that weren't colored
but I'm thinking from a digital sense where you can easily paint bucket in most of the frames

if you've got a palette in mind, that would take a matter of seconds, minutes with corners & such that don't fill in properly

>>93892153
There's cartoony and there's making your characters move like bags of jelly.

>>93890256
>Why are there so many threads about it all the fucking time then?
Because people want to circlejerk

>>93892722
Weekend Pussy Hunt and it stopped when the money stopped. The first two episodes were actually commissioned by Hotmail. The others by IceBox. IceBox was shit and hit financial troubles. Weekend Pussy Hunt was probably the animated series they paid the most for so it was the first dropped. After that, nothing happened. I John K moved onto the stuff Adult Swim wanted.

What the fuck is John K's problem? He's worked on it for 8 years now!

>>93883048
Can anyone give the source of the pic

>>93893950

>filename.jpg

>>93893511
Ah, thanks. I thought it ended on a weird note.

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>>93893950

guys, john k is a dick and mean so that means anything he's ever worked on is terrible! its true!

>>93894191
John your stuff is usually actually bad, Clampett would be ashamed

>>93894262
And Avery would have gouged out his other eye.

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>>93892683
>>93892912
>>93893079
Either way, It shouldn't have taken him more than a year tops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri4iphUqShM
Here's a kickstarter animation project that actually released.

>>93894777
Even his decrepit mentor can get shit done where he can't

>>93883048
so do they fuckin eat the face or what

I don't give enough of a shit to go track it down

>>93894863
And from what I've last heard, he's trying to get Wizards 2 made.

>>93894742
isn't that the last point I made in my original post?

>>93894906
WOULD WATCH

>>93894908
That, and the kickstarter rewards with the short had an estimated release date of about a year after the project ends.

>>93894874
No, Donald Duck eats the face.

>>93883803
Woud anyone outside the animation industry even get that joke?

>>93895092
Pretty sure people knew about Ren and Stimpy having production problems.

>>93895092
Until I knew John K the way we know him now, I thought the joke was just the fake-out/cop-out.

>>93895092
I just assumed it was tied into the Sneed Feed & Seed mythos

>>93892153
Holy Shit, this is terrible.

>>93892153
The animation in the first couple of minutes of this is horrible. As bad as that shitty Simpsons intro he did.

It gets considerably smoother after that though, even in rough form. Still, this is ridiculous that it's all he has to show for SEVEN YEARS of work.

>>93889050
SpongeBob did the comedy better, but R&S could be emotionally evocative.

>>93883742
Shut up, John K.

>>93888869
>I'll never understand all the hate Ren & Stimpy gets on this board.
All that hate is directed towards John K, and rightfully so.

>>93892153
I honestly would have preferred if he had just finished everything up to guess we are having face for dinner instead of adding more stuff.

Did anyone else get the message/e-mail? I don't see any updated information on this since 6 months ago.

>>93888899
Ed Edd and Eddy was so good. I need to go back and watch it some day. It's been so long.

>>93901132
I think OP just made it up as an excuse to get people talking about it again. I don't mind, I think him screwing a ton of people out of their money and then blowing it should follow him to his grave cause it's fucked up and he's an asshole for preying on his own fans like that.

>>93901177
Legitimately a masterpiece, in my eyes the gold standard of the Ren and Stimpy school of cartooning.

>>93892153
Why do people think John K.'s good again?

>>93892153
Oh great, it's another one of his "daddy issues" things. How fun to watch.

>>93892683
https://vimeo.com/126177413
This was done by primarily one STUDENT in 8 - 11 months. And I'm pretty sure he hand-painted all the backgrounds, too.

The only excuse John K has for not getting this shit done in less than a year's time with Kickstarter money is that he's old and incapable of doing so.

>>93901501
Ren and Stimpy was important for the time and he has an excellent blog filled with good theory.

>>93895092
That joke was actually a stab at Games Animation for having a late Season 3 launch, Matt Groening is on record for being sympathetic to John K for his firing.

>>93901645
Judging by the things he has done solo and what happened to Ren & Stimpy after he got more freedom on the show's direction I'd be inclined to think that the success of R&S was due to the meddling of the rest of the crew working on it.

I haven't read his blog, but if he has such good theory then why doesn't his own project deliver on that?

>>93901841
He's fallen way off the deep end of his rules, he's got good rules and ideas but you need to dial it back like 40%

Also his timing is awful

>>93888869
Cow and Chicken is Ren & Stimpy done right, fight me irl.

more like

FANS WITHOUT CARTOONS
AM I RIGHT

>>93892153
Wait, this whole project was a single 7-8 minute short? Not a series of them or a longer short? And you could graduate highschool and get your bachelors in the time it took to be made? Was he trying to single-handedly do 4 YEARS HAND DRAWN or something?

>>93902225
Someone actually shares my darkest secret.

>>93883048
what is it

>>93892153
holy fuck its still not even finished

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>>93883048
>Cans Without Labels
>Directed by John "I spent all the money on back surgery and now I'm moving to Florida" Kricfalusi
absolute madman

>>93902737
>Was he trying to single-handedly do 4 YEARS HAND DRAWN or something?
If only. If he was Richard Williams' this thing I would understand and even commend him for keeping traditional animation alive.

But this was done on Toonboom and the animation isn't particularly impressive or even fun to look at.

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>>93892153
I don't get it. How did he think this script was good enough to warrant a full kickstarted animation? Also, it's only 7 minutes long. Who in their right mind would pay someone to make a 7 minutes mediocre cartoon like that? I can understand if John K used the kickstarter money to fund more shorts, or some amazing avant garde shit, but that's just it. A 7 minute cartoon with subpar animation that isn't really that funny. What the fuck happened to his animation skills anyway? Ren & Stimpy's animation was really over the top, but in a good and fun way. Now it just looks like everything is made out of water balloons.
As it stands, I think he started this kickstarter because he couldn't afford the surgery for his back injury, and now he's stuck with the burden of committing to a project.

>>93888869
Rebecca Sugar is more talented than John K. Come at me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlacEkl9Muw

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>>93892153
George's face... zooming out? shrinking? whatever it was doing in the first few seconds looked weird to me. The parts that were done didn't seem too bad, just not worth several years of waiting for. Same can be said about the humor. Actually that sums up the entire thing, not worth the weight.

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>$136,723 went towards this
John K. really gets the noodle oodlin'. All of the damn ego and talent in the world and this is what he has to show for it. Over $100K went into this 7 minute "animation" and it looks like a mess. Everything is animated like someone stuffed a stretch Stretch Armstrong full of of jelly and shook it really fast.
I get that he's trying to emphasize exaggeration, but this looks fucking ugly.

>>93892153
God, his characters are so unappealing. I'm fine with ugly but his are shitty. I just don't want to look at it.

If any show did ugly correctly, it was Flapjack. Stormalong Harbor was a scary place but it had style, personality and maybe even some coolness to it, despite how fucked up everyone looked. Not to mention that Flapjack and K'nuckles were pretty cute, which offset the rest of the cast. John just makes everything look like shit for some "artistic" reason that he's never properly explained, except for the occasional waifu that he designs for the sole purpose of fapping to.

Also, Jesus, 5 years for this? He's like a grim foreshadowing of Psychicpebble's future.

>>93909697
>Also, Jesus, 5 years for this? He's like a grim foreshadowing of Psychicpebble's future.

But people already know that he's a fucking hack.

>>93909740
You have a point there. John still has some fans who just haven't quite figured out that he has no idea what he's doing, similar to George Lucas. Actually, very similar. Both bring up a lot of good points about their respective mediums, and both don't follow a goddamn word of it.

Still, Zach makes $13k a month. He just released his first "real" animation since, what, 2014? And that's being generous. Hell, he shits on Clown Robbery a lot, but at least that one was well animated, was complete and was a good length. It wasn't just 10 second shitpost made from 7 frames. He said he's going to start making a low effort podcast to better utilize youtube's new algorithm, but he puts out one every 2 months or so. It's also just awful. Have you listened to it? It's just him bringing up edgy shit like we're supposed to be impressed that he has the picture of Chris Farley's corpse as his screenlock, then he and his guess laugh about rape and murder as if those are taboo topics on the internet. I'm not an h3h3 fan anymore but I watched his interview with Justin Roiland and they actually had real topics come up. It was also funnier, too. I only saw that one, but I checked and it looks like he puts the, out fairly regularly, on top of his normal content. What's Zach's excuse?

I lost my train of thought. Psychicpebbles sucks.

>>93909981
Last time I listened to Zach babbling about bullshit, it was over a year ago on twitch when he was slowly, but surely doodling stuff for Hellbenders.

He somehow ended up on the topic of politics and all sorts of other dumb shit that he had edgy views on with his supposed girlfriend or something at the time.

It was the most boring shit ever, and I'm sure that his podcast isn't too different.

>>93910098
I gave Schmucks a shot, I really did. His voice is hilarious.

It's just so dull. He doesn't really talk about politics, which is good, I guess. His opinions are incredibly sophomoric. However, he instead talks about absolutely nothing. Kind of like Larry David, but without the funny.

Oh yeah, J remembered my train of thought. I was trying to say that Zach's doing bad now but I think "Cans Without Labels" is a foreshadowing of Zach becoming even more pathetic. I can see him as a 40 year old man still putting out 9 second "animations" that are nothing more than an ugly character with an obnoxiously loud noise as the punchline. He still makes updates about this show that he's working very hard on that he can't talk about, so stay tuned everybody. It's coming. Any day now. Just keep donating and it'll come sooner, but don't complain about the free content that you're paying for. This is only his hobby, after all. His career is only a hobby.

>>93902225
Cow and Chicken is Ren and Stimpy with consistency.

Whether that's better or worse depends on your tastes.

>>93895092
I didn't get it as a kid.

Now I understand and it's hilarious.

>>93906105
> What the fuck happened to his animation skills anyway?
He didn't animate Ren and Stimpy. Overseas and Carbunkle animators did. The few times he did animate it had to be corrected by Bob Jaques the animation director on all the best episodes.

>>93909483
Same. Why did he decide to do that for the opening shot?

So is it actually finished or not?
If so, someone upload it.

>>93909981
Agreed. I'm baffled how this guy got some sort of development deal based on his cartoon shitpost series. I just don't get it.

And I hate his voice too. Sounds like he has a cold every second of every day.

>You know what would be funny?
>If I moaned
>In kind of a sexual way, you know?
>You know what would make it HILARIOUS
>If I cut half a second into it

>>93892153
>still using the same characters he's used since the 90s
Jesus. It would be one thing if these were well liked characters, but isn't George Liquor widely hated? I thought he was really funny as an antagonist to Ren And Stimpy, but he's excruciating on his own. At least Jimmy The Idiot boy didn't appear. Why John loved that design so much is beyond me.

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>>93892153
>literally unfinished animation
7 YEARS, people, 7 YEARS

>>93910725
I could bitch about John and Zach all day but then I'd be worse than them. Is there anyone doing zany, off model animation correctly right now? I tear down hacks a lot but it would be a lot more productive if I support fledgling animators with talent.

>>93907249
Shame she's such a terrible showrunner
This show had so much fucking potentiol but they threw it all away for shitty jobbing.

>>93892153
Only good part is the pussy cat.

>>93910777
>777

7 YEARS

>>93910777
It's also mostly storyboarded while the actual animation is choppy with a jarring lack of between frames. Someome brought up Clown Robbery earlier and I have to say, at least that one was fluid. It was only a minute but that's an entire minute of animation that's fully animated, inked, given (good) backgrounds, scored and given sound effects. Not a single moment of John's abortion is complete in any way.

Just a minute of complete animation would demonstrate what he's capable of. I mean, I guess this already demonstrates what he's capable of, so I take that back. I wonder if he's proud of this.

>>93910717
This anon claimed that OP might be bullshitting >>93889251
I'm not seeing any sort of confirmation on the cartoon's status elsewhere.
Any anons here who funded the campaign? Did you get an e-mail or is OP just trolling?

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>>93892153
all that unnecessary movement is so irritating...

>>93910897
>the more exaggerated it is, the more better it is
It's like for every cheap, on model cartoon that gets made, John takes his obsession with "cartoony cartoons" to a further extreme. I like funny facial expressions and exaggerated movements, but this is just incomprehensible. It's not as bad as his Simpsons couch gag, but that isn't saying much.

>>93910759
I'm with you there. Jimmy is an annoying non-character. The mentally retarded aren't funny, it's just uncomfortable.

And George makes sense as a foil to Ren and Stimpy who don't understand him or his contradictory disciplining. Plus gives John an excuse to indulge in the parental abuse motif he loves so much.

>>93910784
You're right of course but if 4chan isn't the place to express contempt for successful artists I don't like, what is?

>>93910864
That what makes the 7 year production even more inexcusable. The whole cartoon was storyboarded and posed before the kickstarter!

John is a brilliant cartoon theorist but he's perhaps the worlds worst animation producer.

>>93892153
>uncle George opens a can without a label, thinking it's beef stew
>it turns out to contain a severed face
>in line with his draconian conservative authority complex, he forces them to eat it anyways
I actually think that's a funny premise. Definitely unique. I wish it was actually finished so I could judge it properly.

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>>93911015
Uh... 8chàn?

Nah, I like your style anon. I'm with you on that.

>>93910982
I also agree with you. Idiots are hilarious and a staple of comedy, but the actual retarded? It's sad. That's not saying that there can't be humor derived from it. Timmy from South Park comes to mind, as do all the other retarded characters. Jimmy The Idiot Boy isn't funny, though. He reminds me of actual disabled people I know and it just makes me a little sad.

There's something really uncomfortable about the depressing nature of retardation that lies beneath their blissfully ignorant exterior. I can't quite place what bothers me so much about it. Something about playing up the naivety and jovial nature of retarded people in such a manner whitewashes the fact that they'll never be normal. They still feel things just like you or I, but they'll never have the mental capacity to ever deal with these emotions. The world can become scary and hostile for them just as quickly as it is joyful and chipper, and there's always the anxiety that they won't understand the gravity of a situation until it's too late.

Pic related.

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>>93910777
7 years...
hand drawn?

So is this the finished product or some kind of progress update?

>>93884937
>Off model isn't funny if there is no model established to be off from.
Nailed it.

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>>93884937
This post got me off.

>>93883048
The only thing i'd gladly watch of John K is a sextape with Katie.

Can anyone post sexy R&S girls please?

>>93895092
In the Latin American Spanish dub they changed "Ren & Stimpy" with some made-up shit b/c the translators weren't allowed to mention other shows and trademarks or something.

>>93892153
I know it's a scratch track but Christ, someone hire John a sound mixer. These levels are all over the place.

>>93911143
I can almost see Johns logic. Take the idiot sidekick to it's furthest extreme: an actual retard!

But it cuts so close to reality, it's like laughing at somebody in a mental home. Drooling and wetting themselves. There's no joy in it, it's just morose.

>>93884937
I mean it when I say John K is a genius. His theories about animation, it's history and current state are brilliant but don't misunderstand me, genius does not mean everything he creates is perfect or even good.

He reminds me of Orson Welles. At points in his career you see flashes of what he envisions come together and it's electric, like nothing you've ever seen but he's too critical and uncompromising of the studio system he has to work within and becomes functionally blacklisted, spending the rest of his days doing small gigs, cameos banking on past success and ego projects.

I can see the good aspects of this new short but his desire to rebel against the timidity of modern television animation results in animation so extreme and so over-animated it becomes unpleasant and irritating to watch.

>>93909634
136,700 went into funding his back surgery, 20 into a case of beer, the rest into this

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>>93897932
>It gets considerably smoother after that though, even in rough form. Still, this is ridiculous that it's all he has to show for SEVEN YEARS of work.

>Tfw a single episode takes so much time to finish, that your skills as an artist visibly change before it gets finalized

It sure must be one hell of a fun to put all of these shots together without them going off every few seconds.

>>93892153
You know, if it weren't for the fact that John K. insults every cartoon from Samurai Jack for having "fake line of action" to Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs for "being generic", he would just be a guy with a very visible animation style that would hit a niche fanbase. Even as over-animated as it is, it's different, and to some people, that's part of the charm.

But the fact that he preaches "good cartooning law" then churns this shit out just makes it so fucking baffling what is going on in his head. Does the man WANT to be experimental now that he's in his senior years, or does he want cartoons to follow construction and have good timing?

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>>93892153
>He's a
>WEB-FOOTED
>BEADY-EYED
>FACE-EATING
>BASTARD!

>>93912819
Sometimes the best way to understand an art form is to point to bad examples. It definitely won't make you popular though since animation is one of those field where even crap takes a lot of man hours to produce. Everyone would rather it be a "say something nice or don't say anything" situation, which I can understand but at the same time, animation is an art and deserves to be thought about critically. John can comment on what he believes are the flaws in the shows posing and char cater design while complimenting the color styling.

You're right that in the long run, it may have been in Johns career interests to just keep his mouth shut and be a unique artist. It's worked for the likes of Matt Groening or Stephen Hillenberg, who say nothing about what they think of the state of their shows or any other shows unless it's generic compliments.

I don't think John is some martyr falling on his sword for our benefit by offering his opinions but I appreciate him posting and challenging a lot of preconceptions I had about animation. I can still enjoy The Simpsons while recognizing that a lot of the time the characters are standing around with stiff poses, blank expressions and simply lip syncing.

And if nothing else, John has introduced me to a scores of artists past and present I never would have heard of otherwise. People talk about John as if his blog is nothing but slander against other artists but he rarely abuses or attacks artists directly. He's usually critical of the final product but understanding of the artists, opting instead to blame corporate tastemakers and executives for 'genericness'.

He once said something like "I wish I had the talented crew behind Cats Don't Dance and could give them the chance to work on something fun", though I'm sure not everyone on that crew would appreciate that kind of patronising back-handed compliment.

op here, i may have jumped the gun. i did get a message supposedly from John in my kickstarter message box, but i guess it must have been fake. I'll copy paste for the hell of it anyway:

John Kricfalusi

July 14, 2017

Hi everyone,

We have finished Cans and are producing the DVDs now. The digital toys aren't ready yet, but we'd like to send you something to hold over all of the waiting. Please send us your address. The best place to do this is at [email protected] with the subject being "Phone Doodle Extra". Thanks!

Your pal,
John

It's a weird e-mail to spoof or whatever, but there is no word on this under his updates, twitter, facebook etc, so obviously fake. Sorry guys.

>>93883048
No

>>93913176
Although his profile does list July 14th 2017 as his last login.

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>>93892153
It's really creepy because it's based on John K's real life how his father kept buying cheap mystery cans and forced him to him them
Child abuse is not funny

>>93884937
>Off model isn't funny if there is no model established to be off from.
fucking this. more importantly, it's unappealing as hell.

Why are we still talking about this egocentric retard and not shitposting about qt Rice instead?

>>93914125
Rice is a QT, but I really don't like her art, the women are too baby like.

>>93901573
>is that he's old and incapable of doing so.
Barely an excuse even of itself considering there's still people in the industry as old as (or even older than) him and are as productive as ever. I mean the back surgery thing may count as something, but still.

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>>93913382
John K. is one of those people who brush off child abuse as something that only made them tougher.

Except this is seldom the case.
And John K. is a perfect example of this.

>>93887491
This sentence feels like an Abbot and Costello sketch.

>>93892153
Ok, Hell hasn't frozen oven yet. Good.

>>93915698
I just remembered that one of the people who defended DaddyOfFive was the amazing athiest.

>>93915777
Trips confirm that John K is a joke.

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>>93914125

>>93916063
Someone post that video of John K with Katie Rice.

>>93892153
the only real problem is that is criminally unfinished, all this anons are complaning the cartoon is overly animated or the characters are ugly, but thats just what you want from a john K cartoon isnt it?

>>93916109
Pretty sure the main problem people have is that it's been more than 3 years since the cartoon was actually due and yet it't still not complete.

>>93916141
yeah that's the obvious problem, is not even that long and is still half done, but all the thread is the classic "why the character is so ugly XD???"

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>>93916094
I've found this.

>>93909634
>All of the damn ego
I know nothing of the guy. post examples

>>93916183
Pretty sure they're complaning that he does too much exaggeration compared to his older Ren and Stimpy cartoons.
You can also see this in his Simpsons intros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dShsDp7CSv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7G227yzDkM

>>93916094
Please no. Unless that's an unreleased dicking version i can't bear the cringe and creepiness.

>>93916233
Fuck he made another? They seriously looked at the first one and said "Yes, that's pretty cool let's get one more"?

>>93916109
>but thats just what you want from a john K cartoon isnt it?
I don't want a hodgepodge of wobbly animation and anime-tier stiffness with poor timing and no conviction.

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>>93916233
Frank Grimes on John K. loses so much of his graphic identity that his tombstone is the only clue.

Literally Zyklon Ben levels of subtle.

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>>93916233
THICC

Only now I see how Marge's nose has landed between Homer's ass cheeks.

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>>93892153
Does his target audience include anyone other than himself?

>>93918092
thats how actual creators work, if you want a marketing team to decide how your show will be, better watch power rangers

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>>93918633
>thats how actual creators work,

I don't think that much could be done if every master animator were to center their creations around daddy/mommy issues.

>>93918633

John K is no David Lynch, man.

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>>93921336
>>93919248
I´m not saying is great, but you guys really treat animation like product that needs a target demographic or else is worthless.

>>93921580

There is a difference between something not deliberately aiming for a target audience and something that simply doesn't appeal to anyone.

>>93921630
I would enjoy this cartoon, its pretty funny for me, my gripe its that it isnt 7 years worth and isnt even complete.

>>93916094
https://a.pomf.space/laylfszyevhp.webm

>>93921943
I really wish I hadn't watched it.

>>93921943
Sheesh, those women looked super uncomfortable next to him. Like they constantly had to keep an eye on him in case he tried to do something. What a creep.

>>93923685
The second woman looks completely out of it in the beginning.

>>93907249
Pretty sure anyone currently working is more talented than John K. That's probably why they're currently working and he isn't.

>>93913301
Maybe he's just openly fucking with us now.

>>93913382
Child abuse can be funny. One of the Simpsons most memorable gags, Homer choking Bart, is basically a child abuse gag. But the fact that Homer literally choking Bart over some far-fetched scenario is far-fetched in itself so it becomes funny. The fact that Bart himself seems to display no open fear of either parent helps as well. John's stuff isn't funny because its morosely, bitterly real. The children seem afraid of the figure abusing them, and the abuse stems from simple mistakes.

So I disagree, child abuse CAN be funny. John K's child abuse just seems to stem from a personal problem so its often more just awkward and uncomfortable.

>>93883048
No one cares about George Liquor, so yes, no.

>>93924051
Yes you have right, I was thinking only about John K's case

Child abuse isn't funny when it's realistic

>>93883730
is done?

>>93921943
Sooo what was he doing at her 15th birthday?

>>93892153

The man should consider suicide. He'll never be truly good. Bakshi would spit in his face.

>>93911143
The thing with why Timmy is funnier because he's painted at even as someone that can't move or say anything else he's still smarter that most people in south park, he saved the cripple turkey, he sucessful accused jimmy of having child porn, he was good at drum,etc
the joke isn't that he's retarded, the joke is that even as a retard he's smarter that other people

>>93926339
Timmy as the singer of a metal band is just classic. It's strange how perfectly they hit the middle ground between tasteful and tasteless with Timmy and the other retarded characters. They took it just far enough.
>>93924051
You know, the choking gag has gone on so long that I kind of forgot that it's Homer abusing Bart. It's alsp hilarious. That's another good example of "just far enough".

>>93912398
He's about as much a genius as George Lucas or M Night Shaymalan; he can create good stuff and he's full of good ideas but he NEEDS editors to tell him "no" and keep him on task and to act as a filter.
Otherwise he tries shoving in everything he thinks is great and it ends up a big mess.

>>93888735
He is the sunburst of animation

>>93926339
>catches jimmy with child pornography
I don't remember that episode

>>93928624
It's the one with Big Gay Al and boy scouts.

>>93913382
Yuck, this board is full of pussies. How is it creepy for John's dad to be a penny-pincher, seeing as he grew up during the DEPRESSION? Makes total sense. People today are such paper-skinned sissies, I hope we have another economic crisis just so the world can lose some deadweight.

>>93910599
Explain it to me for I am retarded.

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>>93902225
meh thats part of the reasons it can get so boring
i remember being poor living with my mom and having only boomerang nick toons and that hub channel before it was the hub, i saw cow and chicken pretty frequently and it gets stale after a while. Before you say its due watching reruns my younger self had a short attention span
part of the fun of ren and stimpy is the random wackiness that ensued for no good reason and subtle references you might not understand till your older

>>93928978
After John was fired, Nickelodeon was taking an extremely long time with the Season 3 launch.

>>93928756
Didn't he just frame Jimmy with a fake picture of Jimmy having gay sex?

Also, I really want to see an episode with that premise. That's just such a morbid idea that it sounds hilarious.

>>93929054
It's been ages since back then, sorry if I don't remember that. What did they launch season 3 eps with?

Was that the one with eggyolkio?

>>93929016
Well, John is a fucking weirdo. Nobody else could come up with shit like when Ren And Stimpy "simply implode". He's actually really creative in that sense, which is an overlooked strength.

Of course, even the best idea is worthless when it's poorly executed, and eventually his obsession with being off model led to jokes being lost in translation. But that's been established here a number of times.

>>93916197
I skipped through the video a little bit, why is she sitting on the floor there? John's got his legs wide open right where her face is, seems fucking creepy.

I only liked his video for Björk's I Miss You

>>93887788
>cans.wav

>>93892607
He started production in September 2012. It's been just under five years.

>>93901506
That's his best stuff, though.

>>93926483
alsp?

>>93912398
Very much this.

>>93926871
Not so much this.

>>93916233
I like the song in the second one

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>>93931346
Orson Welles had several huge hits and he pioneered many techniques in filmmaking that everybody now takes for granted.

John K had one hit and none of his techniques were pioneered by him, he copied them all from classic Warner Bros, Disney, Fleischer, and HB cartoons.

I love Ren & Stimpy but the rest of his output varies from pure crap to rehashes of Ren & Stimpy (sometimes both at the same time!)

>>93910982
>Jimmy is an annoying non-character. The mentally retarded aren't funny, it's just uncomfortable.
I disagree. I thought the comic where Jimmy tries to track down his quarter and almost freezes to death was great.

>>93911143
>Jimmy The Idiot Boy isn't funny, though. He reminds me of actual disabled people I know and it just makes me a little sad.
Jimmy has a heart of gold, though. He's not an offensive caricature. If anything, he's flattering. He reminds me of the people with Down's that I've met.

>>93892153
How much was contributed to this kickstarter again?

>>93917306
John said he had no idea who Frank Grimes is, Al Jean or someone suggested putting it on there.

>>93924051
Not disagreeing that one is more palatable than the other but does Homers casual choking and Barts lack of reaction trivialize abuse?

>>93926483
Part of the reason Jimmy and Tim my are more acceptable is because the kids treat them like everyone else, including ragging on them sometimes. The joke isn't aren't the retarded funny. They're characters and that's where the humour comes from. Jimmy being unable to deliver a joke because it's not just laughing at his condition but his career choice and determination to not give up despite his impairment.

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>>93934153
Yes but The Simpsons also trivializes death, murder, criminal conspiracy, and pretty much every crime and moral depravity known to man. Except maybe rape and pedophilia. Did Simpsons trivialize rape and pedophilia?

>>93892153
I can really see where John K is coming from when he says cartoons don't need a writer, that was absolutely perfect and in no way could possibly be improved upon. Those zinger gags like 'Donald Bastard' or the shot of the cat's butt had me just just rolling on the floor. The plot was pretty barebones but that's okay, you need plenty of space where absolutely nothing happens and the boring, mundane, uninteresting story plods along to really shine a spotlight on those handful of jokes. This is a great example for what cartoonist driven cartoons can be, and I for one cannot wait for more.

>>93935206
Cartoonist-driven cartoons are great... If the cartoonist actually knows how to fucking write

>>93929054
To Salve or Not To Salve.

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>>93928905
The cans without labels thing isn't necessarily abuse, although it's not ideal and is very close to abuse considering that children have no agency as to what they eat so feeding them garbage can absolutely become abusive depending on what you feed them.

But John's dad has done much worse shit. He doesn't talk about physical abuse, although given how often George Liquor and other dads John K has made instantly revert to violence, it's pretty obvious that he was beaten as a kid. One of the stories that John does tell that stood out to me is where he made Anthony's dad a homage to his own dad; he's blue collar, violent, angry, terrifyingly intimidating, opinionated and generally an asshole with the one caveat that he loves his son. Clearly that's John's idea of his relationship with his dad. His dad apparently disagrees and hated the episode because he thought it made him look like a sissy faggot, like the idea of caring about his son was offensive to him.

>>93934097
>Can't bother to even google a character so he can at least draw him correctly, if watching one half hour episode to learn about the character he's supposed to include in his animation is just too much work for him

That's top tier lazy.

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>>93928905
I think the real life example that John K brought up (which he was actually forced to eat) was chicken in a can. I'm not positive, it's been awhile since I saw the video, but I'm pretty sure.

Take a look at this and tell me that you wouldn't throw up over your plate if you were forced to eat this, because I know I would. I would have rather just gone hungry. I don't know why it even exists to be honest.

>>93935692

Fucking why. Why not just buy your chicken at the butchers or in one of those sea tight bags at the grocery store? That's fucking disgusting.

>>93935692
>>93935720
This
What's the point if you still have to reheat it

>>93926900
Wait should't he have shown up by now?

>>93934484

Rape? Not sure. That's more Family Guy's domain.

Pedophilia?

Well there was a more recent episode where Bart was going to school in hell and was "hot for teacher." Her response was, "Down here we can make that happen!"

There's also this: https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/8/8d/Bart_sees_boobs.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120409141612

>>93935692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVza_AnhQ3E

>>93928905

John's dad was clearly emotionally abusive (if not physically) to anyone who's read any of John's old blog posts.

http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2012/06/happy-fathers-day.html

John K's father, and John K himself, are pretty much the opposite of what I aspire to be as a person.

I am eternally grateful for the Dad I had. I could have turned out awful otherwise.

>>93935991
guess that's what happens when you got a military dad that lived through the great depression

>>93907249
I don't agree with this but even so, Ren & Stimpy wasn't just John K., as many of the great episodes without him prove. He was only part of it, a big part, maybe the biggest, but not the only. Just see at how shit Adult Party or anything else he did on his own was.
But hating on John K. shouldn't turn people into revisionists that try to make R&S into some sort of overrated hack show when even nowadays, shows are still ripping them off.

>>93935991
>I could tell part of him wanted to give me the licking I so deserved

This sort of thing, when he says shit like this or laughs and grins when he talks about his father being an asshole, it really gets under my skin. It's one thing to have a shitty father and grow up rebellious and punch a pillow while imagining their face on it until you move out and never have contact with them again, I can understand that. But this whole, 'wow, my daddy was so smart, I AM a fuck-up! Hee hee, I guess I really just was an unlovable shitsack all along!' thing that John does really bothers me.

>>93930217
p is next to o, and I was distracted by the Breaking Bad episode where Hank figures out the truth about Walt.

But thay's not /co/ related.
>>93935441
Jeeze, what an asshole. I'm not some "gimme a free trophy and a safe space" softy, but the glorification of being a fucking dick is just... it's such an alien concept to me. How insecure do you have to be to feel the need to feel masculine by being unwarrantedly aggressive in every situation and refusing to build emotional connections with people? Feeling love and even crying doesn't make you a pussy. Blocking dissenting opinions makes you a pussy.

>>93933092
Not saying that all his outings are bad but calling him "flattering" of the mentally disabled is a stretch

>>93935230
Storyboard driven cartoons are used widely in network animated shows for kids but those are still focusing heavily on story and the animation done by overseas studios is usually little more than hitting the beats and maintaining continuity.

The only examples of animation driven cartoons, ie cartoons where the focus is on the funny and unique ways the characters move and act are all independent work. John Dilworth from Courage re Cowardly Dog is making a new short called Goose in High heels which looks great.

Most shows today, whether usig Flash or not are influenced by flash. The studio heads believe adults don't want the characters to move too much which historically isn't true. Popeye, Looney Tunes and the like were animation driven and shown for adult audiences.

Most shows today rely almost entirely on the script and voice performances for entertainment value. Characters mainly just lip syncing to dialogue with minimal gesturing. The visuals are incidental to the story. The stories are usually grounded with some few fantastical elements that you couldn't get away with in live action. We've got a talking bear, see?

Not saying I can't enjoy shows like this but I understand Johns criticism of this not bring an effective use of the medium.

>>93935483
Not quite. He just animated a weirs zombie and then someone suggested putting Frank Grimes on it.

>>93936655
>How insecure do you have to be to feel the need to feel masculine by being unwarrantedly aggressive in every situation and refusing to build emotional connections with people?

You know, "toxic masculinity" doesn't only exist in the derange mind of Jack McIntosh. There are a lot of very dangerous aspects do our societies understanding of what it means to be a man, and it's even worse in many other cultures.

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>>93912681
The worst part about this is it improves when he realizes it takes too much effort to draw out his horrible vibrating jelly animation.
HIS ANIMATION
GETS
BETTER
WHEN HE'S TOO LAZY TO FUCK IT UP

>>93935692
You're making stuff up. In the video he made up that it was "diced kittens". It's exaggeration for the sake of comedy, I don't think the stuff in the cans were THAT horrific, or even bad for the most part. It's viewing the frugality of a depression-era father through the lens of an undisciplined child.

>>93935441
You must live in a Disney-esque world, there's nothing weird about a father figure being a disciplinarian. Anthony's Dad and George Liquor NEVER resort to violence, they merely use intimidation tactics. You could argue that's emotional abuse, but then you'd be a faggot.

>>93937114
I mean, Chicken in a can sounds much less horrific than diced kittens.

>>93937128
It depends on how much they do it.
I would argue that DaddyOfFive used a lot of intimidation tactics.

>>93937128
>john k. is obviously in arrested development
>there's nothing wrong with emotional abuse
ok

>>93936101
I think it's played up in a way. He DID rebel and move out to California to fulfill his dreams to become a wimpy artist, so he can't think his Dad was entirely right. I think he just has mad respect for a father who taught him disciplinary skills that came in handy down the line seeing as John created a culturally successful TV show, and trained multiple artists into becoming great players in the industry on their own. His tactics might be outdated seeing as the new-age hippy machine took him down, but man at least he was an artist with integrity. That's something that's lost on a lot of people today, and I don't think it's for the better. Everyone either has a cuck for a dad or is raised by a single mother, all that does is create unchecked passive zombie men.

>>93937159
DaddyOfFive exploited his children for profit. John's dad just wanted a respectable son who contributes to society in the context of the mid 20th century.

>>93937167
Didn't say either of those things but okay.

>>93937200
>in the context of the mid 20th century.
Well, I understand that then.

>>93932521
Nick did the same mistake twice.

>Bryke had one hit and none of their techniques were pioneered by them, they copied them all from Dragon Ball Z, FLCL, The Wuzzles and entry level shonen anime.

>>93937190
>John K
>infamous for neglecting deadlines and running his mouth to the point nobody wants him even after that one runaway success that was only attained when an entire team of people was dedicated to handling him
>John K, who has a 30%-done 7-minute clip to show after 5 years and $135,000
>disciplinary skills
That may have been John Sr's ostensible goal, but he sure as fuck never achieved it.

>>93937257
"Neglected deadlines" commonly came out of Nickelodeon going back and forth on greenlighting episodes. Sometimes they'd greenlight something in concept, but then once the storyboards or the animatics were finished they would try to shelf it. It was never black and white, so fuck off with that. I'd like to also add that the famously "late" episodes were always the most successful and only rocketed Nickelodeon as a company into higher public acclaim.

Secondly, that video is spliced from old footage. According to the OP and a couple posts on various social media platforms the episode IS finished. Whoever posted the video here is lying when they imply that THAT'S the end product.

Disciplinary skills in terms of mastering an art form and passing on knowledge to younger artists, yes. You should see old photos/videos of Spumco, it had libraries of reference for the artists to study, not to mention that John's blog does the same thing (if you can look passed the criticisms of 'insert animated series/movie here').

>>93937190
>Everyone either has a cuck for a dad or is raised by a single mother, all that does is create unchecked passive zombie men.
None of that is true.

>>93936101
Does John have te parental form of Stockholm syndrome? Feeling affection for his abuser and all.

>>93937322
Even if it's recently finished, 5 years for a 7-minute animation is still ridiculous. SexualLobster, a youtube animator who operates off of a $24,000/year patreon, puts out about 2-3 minutes of animation per month, and while Cans Without Labels looks higher-effort than SL's norm, it's still a decent ballpark. I think it's safe to assume John could've finished this 7-minute short well within a year and without even really pushing himself.

>>93936655
Agreed. In that particular story John was saying his Dad was correct to beat him for frustrating him. And his Dad was disgusted that he was portrayed as having affection for his son. How can anyone live a life so joylessly committed to agression.

>>93936886
John K's dad wrote this song.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aT1tj8bBVXE

>>93937442
You got too many Christmas presents as a kid.

>>93937436
SexualLobster's animation looks very cheap, and doesn't seem inspired by any deep personal expression. You can take issue with the content of John's animations, but at least they have personality. (Not to mention I think John is working on more projects than just Cans, check his instagram).

>>93937452
>pretending to be an old school tough guy on /co/
Jesus, anon. I can at least imagine some blue collar Nebraska lumberjack posting on reddit, since reddit is mainstrram enough for even them. But not only are you pulling this shit on 4chan, you're pulling it on /co/. Fucking /co/.

Go >>>/out/ and think about what you've done. Dinner will be ready in an hour,

>>93921580
>but you guys really treat animation like product that needs a target demographic or else is worthless.

That "Art for the sake of art" meme is centuries old already yet it refuses to die, no matter how often it shits its bed.

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>>93937452
>t. Grinch
Nice try

>>93937451

Man, Shock Treatment is such an underrated movie next to Rocky Horror.

>>93937477
>You can take issue with the content of John's animations, but at least they have personality.
If we were talking pre-late 00's John? Sure.

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>>93937504
Holy kek

>>93937532
I'd argue his new stuff still has hints of his personality... in fact, I'd say his new stuff is more distilled-John than ever before. Less nodding to the golden age and more playful experimentation.

>>93883341
hacks deliver a product on time, under budget, within design constraints.

Hacks are better than John K.

>>93937190
it wasn't the new age hippy machine that brought John down. It was him failing to deliver a product on time, and under budget consistently. It was being combative with executives to the point where they finally just fired him and hired someone else to do his job.

Animation is a business, someone has to pay the bills and if they don't then you, at best, get products that take decades to make because people are working on them in their free time.

You know what real discipline is? Self Restraint. Everything we see in R&S and all the stories about his desperate womanizing, his endless obsession with abusive father figures for comedy, his hatred of writers for doing things differently, his idolization of news reel era cartoon interludes, and his inability to get work speak to a complete lack of any real discipline at all.

the man is a fucking wreck.

>>93937568
if you want to call the hideous mess his style has become 'playful' go ahead. but if art isn't worth experiencing then its just garbage.

>>93937694
Animation shouldn't function that way, historically it didn't function that way. It may be the reality now that it's all about bending to people with no artistic merit, and diminishing your own artistic voice, but that's a real shame and kudos for anyone who tries to push back against that. No other art form functions with this mindset, musicians who go overbudget and spend extra time on an album are commended, and the same could be said about a plethora of art forms. Animation is one of the only ones where everyone's accepted that it's business first and art later. That's a retarded philosophy.

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John just posted this on his instagram (need to follow it and be approved by him to see it), thoughts?

>>93937768
>No other medium ridicules tardiness and going over budget.
>Having restraint and making compromises means "bending to people with no artistic merit"

Shut the fuck up, John.

>>93938278
The second quote applies just as much to TMS.

>>93937568
Fair enough. I may not be a fan of the direction his animation is taking but if there is still some pleasure he and others find in it, then I respect that.

>>93938278
>>93938442
Fuck off Famicom. TMS was just as rote as almost any other 80's cartoon studio around, and no occasional animu like visuals are gonna change that.

>>93938410
The difference is that people wanted a adaption of Space Adventure Cobra, namely it's creator.

Everything else is nothing but "lets do out own thing".

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>>93938278
>adaptations and reboots nobody is asking for

>Smurfs

John K. is not unlike Andrew Dobson who no longer draws anything, but continues to whine about how comics, cartoons, movies and video games aren't produced according to his whims.

>>93938493
>TMS was just as rote as almost any other 80's cartoon studio around.
No they were not, the fact is that since John K posted this on his "please follow me to see this this" instagram account means that John is getting soft towards TMS just like what happen to The Simpsons.

Also please don't bring him in this, were having a good thing going on here.

>>93883048
Where's that short where the kid is collecting bugs and comes across George Liquor' s house?

>>93938494
I'm pretty sure a Smurfs adaptation was just as "Unwanted" as DuckTales and Nemo.

Both companies did a lot of adaptations, the only difference is that one had a better crew. John just wants to build a narrative because it's impossible for low quality animation to come out of good intentions as far as he's concerned.

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>>93933644
$136,723

>>93938549
You're thinking of Pokemon, John never did anything like that.

http://kissanime.ru/Anime/Pokemon-Dub/Episode-003-Ash-Catches-A-Pokemon?id=105148&s=default

>>93938587
How stupid do you have to be to write about games for a living and not understand that pornography would give the title an AO rating?

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>>93938587
>Seven years
>$136,723 dollars
>It's only seven minutes long
That's just terrible. I mean, how do you waste years and that much money on a short?

>>93938628
Procrastination.

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>>93938598
>You're thinking of Pokemon, John never did anything like that.

That was a comic issue, you utter imbecile.

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>>93892153
John K's biggest problem is consistency of storytelling
While he's ideas are good(sometimes) they don't work at all as a story

>>93938565
People wanted a adaption of the Barks/Rosa comics as much as they wanted adaptions of Cobra and Akira and normies back in the 1980s have never heard of Little Nemo (it was phased out before the internet resurfaced the original comics again).

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>>93938655

>>93938655
He was talking about a short, not a comic issue when a bug lays eggs and there was never a short.

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>>93938677

>>93938614
Bare breasts are considered pornographic in a lot of places, and those only net an M rating.

>>93938687
See:
>>93938691
Think again. And go back to whatever containment board you infest the most often.

>>93938691
Another issue is that Jimmy The Idiot Boy is a regular in John K's work, he was bringing up a one shot character.

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>>93938628
John K is a shitty boss
employers don't understand him or what he exactly want

>>93938706
See >>93938715

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He deserved a better son

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>>93938755
>John K's dad has his own glorified Shadman wall

Well, isn't that cute?

>>93892153
The part that's actually mostly done at the start is fine. The rest is abysmal, from the pacing to the poor escalation to the crux of the joke.

>>93938537
>No they were not, the fact is that since John K posted this on his "please follow me to see this this" instagram account means that John is getting soft towards TMS just like what happen to The Simpsons.
Post a screencap of such a thing then.

>>93892153
I was kind of into it when it was about cans without labels. Too bad it became "MY DAD ABUSED MEEEE" so fast.

>>93934484
Homer was raped by a panda.

>>93938669
You're missing the forest for the trees here.

>>93937509
Didn't dig it the first time I watched it but the music rocks. Am definitely going to give it another try soon. Just have to get past the fact that it's not a Rocky Horror sequel at all, just another weird cinemascape from Richard Obrien's mind.

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>>93892153
If he didn't wanna do it that bad, why didn't he just be up-front about it and tell people he didn't wanna do it? It wasn't that bad, though, even horribly unfinished. Did people really pay money to back this?

>>93938941
It's Famicom m8, he always does this shit.

>>93935441
It was more that John hyped the episode up to his dad, had him gather his tough guy pals...and there's a segment of the dad practically weeping over his son.

It's the deep sorrow instead of pure shock and anger in front of his friends that embarrassed him. The guy clearly cares about John, abusive father or not. He took issue with being portrayed as a weeper, not caring about his son or being a musclehead.

>>93938493
>Rewatching Animaniacs
>Compare the two different Pinky and the Brain intros
>The first sloppy one was by AKOM
>The second really great looking one is by... TMS
>All the best animation is by TMS
>Fuck, I have become Famicom

In all honesty they weren't innovators the way Spumco animation was trying to be, they were just very good animators with solid drawings and continuity. No surprise really since Japan is one of the few countries that maintained an animation culture from the 60s through the 90s whereas America started outsourcing everything in the 70s and 80s.

Tfw the worst animation on Animaniacs was done by the studio that ended up becoming the animation college you graduated from :(

>>93938549
That's from the Spumco comics, unhelpfully titled "Comic Book"

>>93939096
No he said short not comic, also Jimmy was a John K regular, he was asking for a 1 shot.

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>>93939088
Heh, knew you would take long to do some shitty shoop.

>>93939072
John K was never in New Zealand.

>>93939072
>The second really great looking one is by... TMS
>great looking
Those are the key words here.

>>93939134
>No he said short not comic, also Jimmy was a John K regular, he was asking for a 1 shot.

>1 shot

Where did he say that? Try reading it again:

>Where's that short where the kid is collecting bugs and comes across George Liquor' s house?

No mention of the "kid" being a one shot character. Also "short" applies not only to animated features, but comics as well.

>>93938687
>>93939134
It's entirely possible they meant the comic but remembered it as a short.

>>93939237
What is that even supposed to mean.

>>93939318
It LOOKS pretty, but does it also apply to the actual animation? Does the acting of the characters have the same conviction and nuance of the classic WB shorts they're supposedly trying to emulate? In John's case, hell the fuck nah.

>>93939388
>but does it also apply to the actual animation?
Yes.
>Does the acting of the characters have the same conviction and nuance of the classic WB shorts they're supposedly trying to emulate?
Every director was different; Jones was nothing like Clampett and McKimson was nothing like Freleng.
>In John's case, hell the fuck nah.
John said the same thing about The Simpsons and look what happened.

He's getting soft.

>>93939388
You just reminded me of this bit from tiny toons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX_RfXsEarM

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>>93939436
Kennedy was sloppy, not pretty.

Heres a ref chart.

>>93939436
Jesus, what the heck.
Was this storyboarded by the guys who did the treasure planet.
https://youtu.be/iDrZjIENxJY?t=407

>>93939461
No as Kennedy was a Canadian studio.

>>93939481
it was a joke

>>93939507
And not a very good one at that.

>>93939531
take it easy, anon.

>>93939552
I am.

>>93939559
are you

>>93939571
I'm good.

>>93939388
>There's a well animated intro
>BUT IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME STYLE AS CLASSIC WARNER BROTHERS!

Why do you fucking care? Like God forbid someone has their own take.

TMS is a pretty decent studio that ranged from middling to impressive by project. You can't just pretend their stuff is only good on the surface just because they don't seamlessly emulate Chuck Jones.

>>93939595
that's good to hear

Putting TMS into youtube search gives me a bunch of indian videos, which tells me all I need to know.

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>>93939606
Japanese studios tend to outsource alot hence quality that ranges from middling to impressive.

Case in point this.

>>93939634
Put in TMS Entertainment or Tokyo Movie Shinsha instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAtQh_sSOjQ

>>93939665
>Mr Coat
Aren't Some Jerk with a Camera and RebelTaxi part of his network?

>>93939684
That does not matter.

>>93939430
>Why do you fucking care?
Cause John does, a lot.

http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/07/is-it-cartoon.html

>The worst was when it became vogue to make pretend "classic-style" cartoons and they got the same old Saturday Morning cartoon writers who wrote Scooby Doo and Superfriends to watch a couple of old Bugs Bunnies and then try to write like that in script form. The writers didn't understand cartoon jokes, so they would copy the old ones and then explain them to the audience. And the actual cartoonists on the shows that really did love the old cartoons had no say in the making of them.

>And then they ship all the art and animation to Korea where they really have no idea what makes American cartoon drawings and animation work...and don't care.

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>>93939694
Shut up, Walken.

>>93939703
Quoted the wrong post but fuck it

>>93939643
As well as...

http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/index.php/lupin-iii-part-2-credits

>>93939643
Okay.
So what the fuck is your point? How does this in any way devalue the P&B intro? Are you even keeping up with what you're arguing or are you looking for excuses to throw out factoids?

>>93939703
Uhhh.....

>I tend to be more demanding of comedies since a lot of them have similar elements which gets tiring after a while. Plus, I don't find Japanese humor very amusing so I end up not watching a lot anyway which gives me a notion that there are a tiny number of really good ones, and that most of them suck.

Also it is true that Akom (The Korean studio John was bringing up) has no idea what makes American cartoon drawings and animation work and that they don't care but the other studios were another story.

>>93939742
That studios have different styles.

>>93939797
Okay, how many times so we have to go in a circle here?

The claim was that the TMS P&B intro only LOOKS good but actually isn't, chiefly bevause it doesn't get close enough to The original LT style. The counterargument was that style does not have any bearing on the quality of a work on its own.

Now can you stop going in circles and actually explain how the intro is lacking outside of "it doesn't look like Jones or Avery!" instead of going on unrelated tangents?

>>93939952
It is good and it's good because TMS did their own thing rather then coping someone else and the most important thing in the industry is to always be yourself, it's why everyone hated TMS when they did Orange as it was just TMS making a KyoAni knock off.

Same thing happen when TMS did a Xebec knock off with Bakuon, however we were not as harsh as we were with Orange.