Matt Reeves Confirms The Batman Is Starting Over From Scratch

>And, for fans, the loss would be a hard one to accept at this point.
Not really. I'd rather have one of Batman's villains in a Batman movie.

How long until Affleck quits?

I'm betting once the contract is over they will have to recast Batman because Ben sure as hell won't be staying for this shit

>>93833550
Now taking bets on how long it takes for Affleck to "leak" it.
I hope he does I would absolutely love to read it.

>>93833550
RIP Deathstroke :(

Deathstroke is fucking gay
glad he trashed Johns' shitty script

all this cuck has done is used his role as director on Batman to plug his sequel to the sequel to the prequel to the reboot of Planet of the Apes (or whatever it is)

>>93833671
I'm sure he's a busy guy and probably tired at the end of the day but all the interview footage where he just looks totally depressed makes me feel sad for the guy. You think he's dissatisfied with his portrayal, or the end product, or something like that?

>>93833754
He was going through a shitty divorce and was battling alcoholism. Of course he looked depressed.

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>>93833671
soon

>>93833930
Damn, I didn't know anything about that. Poor guy.

>>93833944
They were getting divorced because he cheated on his wife.

>get a good director
>directors only stipulation is that he gets to make the movie he wants to make
>the director has the credentials of critical acclaim and box office success
I don't see a problem. I really, really don't. Better to start from scratch then, have a decent director a half ass something he has no personal investment in.

>>93833990
Which is blamed on the booze. I dunno, dude seems really fucked up on so many levels as of late.

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>>93833550
>The Batman will move away from the script Affleck and Geoff Johns penned

>>93834016
Hes trying to get better for his kids at least. But folks hounding him about Batman isnt good for him. Like calm the fuck down, let the dude libe.

>No Deathstroke
And nothing of value was lost. The only reason people want him is for stupid matchups

>>93834000

I agree it might be better to let the man work, and not meddle in it, but, it IS also kind of worrying to hear that any preliminary work by Affleck or anyone else has just gone right down the toilet. Just another setback

>>93833550
Wait so if Affleck isn't in the next Batman, the who plays him?

>>93834100
He is. He's just not writing or directing anymore.

>>93834106

He's gonna be aged as if another 10 years from the alcoholism and cigarettes by the time they get him in front of the camera

He's gonna be the most disgusting looking Batman

>>93833671
>>93833935
mouse niggers scared. Homecoming is going to get squashed by a guy pretending to be a monkey for 90 minutes.

>>93833550

Wait I thought Deathstroke was going to be in Justice League first. They already had footage of him in costume. Is that not a thing anymore?

>>93833741
Batfleck vs. Gorilla Boss will be the only thing that would get me to watch this.

>>93834175
JL is having extensive reshoots by Joss Whedon now that Snyder is out. Deathstroke is cut since he was just a superfluous cameo.

>>93834154
Well, Zack Snyder wanted an aged, broken down Batman and now Ben's paying the price.

Sad thing is, he's not method acting or anything. Ben's life is just crumbling around him.

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Am I reading this right?
Is movie Batman getting rebooted again
A-fucking-gain?

>>93834225
They are just doing a new script. LEARN TO READ.

>>93834203
>extensive
Everyone is already done with their reshoots.
It didnt even last two weeks.

>>93833671
Don't count on it, Disneyfriend

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>>93834000
>I don't see a problem. I really, really don't.
It's just an excuse to shitpost about DC having problems. You know, like how Wonder Woman was "a mess" in production according to a *former* WB employee of course. Meanwhile The Mouse is going through directors and reshoots like toilet paper.

This board gets pants on head retarded anytime they read a Screenrant article.

>Ben Affleck steps down from directing The Batman.
>"AHAHAHA Ben is going to quit! #DCDone!"
>News of Matt Reeves was "in talks" of directing Batman. later that week Matt Reeves "refused" or was still in the workings. Most
>"Deal didn't fall through! DC on some suicide watch!
>Deal is official
>"B-But no Battfleck!"
Ben literally tweets "welcome to that Batt cave"
>"I'm not seeing the camera crew or set directors, or anything. and no marketing. A-HA! Take that!

>>93833550
didn't they say outright that "The Batman" wasn't the name of the film? or am i remembering incorrectly

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>>93834249
Good
I can't read good sorry

>>93834336
>was "a mess" in production according to a *former* WB employee

that may have been BS

but this is coming out the director's mouth this time

>>93833687
Joe is contracted to these films now. I can see them pushing him for Suicide Squad 2. They'll have Deadshot and Deathstroke bitching about how their names are similar.

>>93833671
this post reeks of mouseketeer

>>93833935
What's the evil scheme Bandora has with the Batman movie?

>>93833724
>Johns shitty

b bbuut he's saving the DCU?!?!?!

>>93834384
>but this is coming out the director's mouth this time
All that I got out of this interview was "Matt Reeves is directing & will not be using Affleck's script." I don't exactly get why the Devin Faracis here are trying to push this negative spin here. Matt Reeves brings in money, why would you hire somebody who has a record for guaranteed box office success to work on a movie based on somebody else's script? You might as well not hired the guy at all if you were going to stick with Affleck's script.

and even if Affleck's script was shit: (we'll never know honestly) does it matter anymore?

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>>93833550
Why are any of you pretending to be surprised? With Reeves, it was clear he was starting from scratch. The early director drama was probably also a product of him wanting do start over from scratch.

>>93834000
>I don't see a problem. I really, really don't.
The reality is that Batman will be starting from scratch. I am not saying that is a problem in itself, in fact it is probably a good thing for the film to be delayed. Warner's problem is they are rushing, and anything that slow shit down is welcome. But people who want films to be done sooner than later have reason to complain about another delay like this.

>>93834611
Affleck Co wrote the script with Johns, so its confirmed to be shit.

>>93833550
Didn't Reeves say he wanted the film to be Noir?

>>93834633
>rushing
How? The inly movie theyll have done is Aqyaman after JL and we arent getting that til late 2018 and the next movie after that isnt til mid 2019 if they can get flash on its feet.
How are they rushing?

>>93834666
That script put Affleck back in rehabilitation.

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>>93833550

>Entire DCEU outside of Wonder Woman is an unending dumpster fire

What a time to be alive...

>>93833990
I was gonna make a Gone Girl joke, but it turns out everyone else already did.

>>93834863
how does it feel that Iron Spider 4 is going to get BTFO about CGI monkeys?

>>93833671
Once JL tanks I'd be surprised if he doesn't try to get out before The Batman. If he can't then definitely after that.

What're the odds he wants to do some SUPER DEEP TOTALLY THE MOST COMPLEX GREATEST BATMAN EVER movie?

I hope Johns can reign him in at least somewhat and maybe actually make a Batman movie that resembles the comics a bit.

>>93836408
I'd think they would go ape-shit

>>93834611
>I don't exactly get why the Devin Faracis here are trying to push this negative spin here.
Oh I think you know why.

>>93834863
MoS was good. BvS was good. JL will be good. Aquaman will be good and has had no production issues, not even a fake news article about it.

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>>93833550
>Keep asking for "Demon in a Bottle" storyline.
>Wish granted, but now it's Batman.

>>93834203
>extensive reshoots
You are fake news

>>93836552
I'll be fine if he brings back a quick-thinking Detective Batman with incredible stealth and fighting prowess and technical skills.

Instead of what we have now, an incoherent retard in power armor.

This movie is going to be worse than Trank's Fantastic Four movie.

This long in development Hell and several rewrites is never a good sign.

>>93837421
>This long in development Hell and several rewrites is never a good sign.
Yeah turns out Wonder Woman was a huge flop!

>>93834791
>How? The inly movie theyll have done is Aqyaman after JL and we arent getting that til late 2018 and the next movie after that isnt til mid 2019 if they can get flash on its feet.
>How are they rushing?
Batman was meant to be made and released next year. Obviously it isn't happening now, but that was the plan.

>>93837436
Wasn't it supposed to be Aquaman, Batman and Flash in 2018?

>>93837357
>MoS was good. BvS was good
Holy shit, this delusion

>>93837538
BvS was a masterpiece. Rewatch it until you get it.

>>93833671
Everyone with talent will be gone when they get booed outta comiccon

[Spoilers]which means dc will be largely unaffected[/spoilers]

>>93833550
>Batmeme V supermeme was so bad they're going to reboot it again for justice league

>>93834168
To be fair, the new POTA films are much better than a vast majority of cape films.

Can we finally get hush as a villain? That's all I want

Is FUCKING wonderwoman going to become DCEU's Tony stark? As she is the only character that WB seem to have their shit together about

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>>93833550
>Potentially no Dickstroke push
Make it so. Slade already causes enough shenanigans without being carried further by sheer popularity like the Joker.

>>93837640
Gadot doesn't have the onscreen charisma for it, Pine might've but he's Kill.
She's a Chris Evans at best.

They are going to try and make Avengers without a Tony Stark, which honestly ought to be worth about GotG2 box office.

>>93837640
>As she is the only character that WB seem to have their shit together about

And even that's a stretch.

>>93833671
So I guess Marvelfags are starting up their anti-Batman shilling, huh?

Somebody post all those articles they shilled talking about how Wonder Woman was a disaster before release.

>>93837640
>Is FUCKING captainamerica going to become DCEU's Tony stark? As he is the only character that WB seem to have their shit together about
Ftfy

>>93837588
They would have to fundamentally alter the trajectory of the Batman character in movies to make Hush a viable enemy for him.

>>93836552
I hope he gets to do whatever he wants. We've all read Johns' Batman and it was fucking terrible.

>>93833550
Good, chemo the shit out of Snyder's influence

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>>93833550
Just fucking do Under the Red Hood, and pretend Bats didn't go full murderfface.

>>93834633
>they are rushing

Literally how in the fuck are they "rushing?" This movie isn't out for fucking years. Tell the truth: did you read Marvel's Spiderman/Deadpool article where they told you what to say when criticizing WB and just parrot it without thinking?

>>93833754
i think it was mostly his crippling addiction and wife leaving him with the children

>>93837588
>>93837741
Stop suggesting shitty story arcs to adapt.

>>93837745
>Literally how in the fuck are they "rushing?" This movie isn't out for fucking years.
It seems you are pretending to not remember The Batman's intended release window.

>>93837421
I am honest to god not sure if Marvelfags know how movies work. BvS came out LAST YEAR and this movie is a follow up to it. Two years is not "development hell." That is normal film development. Unless of course you are willing to call Ant-man a flop since it took multiple years to come out and went through multiple directors, or are willing to say Black Panther will be bad because it went through did directors like fucking candy.

The fact of the matter is that in early production movies go through a lot of staff and early script treatments over a span of a few years; it's just that every time WB turns around fifteen articles have to be written talking about it. There is an abnormal amount of transparency regarding WB's DC movies and people with no brains are willfully misreading the situation.

>>93837588
>evil plan depends on Batman not having a spare Bat rope

>>93837774
How about some Manbat shit? They already did some CG work with something that looked like it, plus it might help better work Batman into the more supernatural world they're building if his first movie is a kind of horror angle thing.
Basically more or less On Leather Wings just drawn out to theatrical length.

>>93837784
Two years after its predecessor?

>>93837800
Too similar to Lizard, thanks TASM

>>93836540
Whedon will work his magic and JL will be successful with critics, audiences and the box office

If it was still Snyder it would be dead on arrival

>>93837421
>>93834633

>Warner is rushing on Batman!
>But its been in development hell for too long!

Disney fans are like fucking animals. These things don't deserve to be treated like people; at this point they're just rabid, slathering creatures with a pavlovian response to quips.

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>>93837800
>CG work

>>93837741
Jason's my favorite Robin and even I'm tired of Jason.

>>93833550
>no Deathstroke

Good, save him for Titans.

Thanks to Reeves, The Batman is going to be kino just like Apes

>>93837588
Do you want this movie to look even worse ?

>>93833671
Didn't they say something about rushing out a nightwing movie, likely so they can move on to Dick-bat.

>>93837436
Batman never had a release date, it was all just folks being wishful.

>>93836552
Yes anon, everybody knows Johns wanted to protect the integrity of his beloved batman.

>>93836552
Yes anon, everybody knows Johns wanted to protect the integrity of his beloved batman. >>93837739
Snyder wasn't the problem.
Johns clearly was, Ben is a victim.

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>>93836575
>yfw Ape-shit becomes ape-kino, while cape-shit stays in shit

>>93833550
Good Geoff John's Deathstroke movie was a Dumb Fucking Idea

>>93834106
But Affleck is a terrible actor. His strength is at writing and direction

Didn't Reeves say he wanted to make a noirish, detective Batflick? He should include Matches Malone to emphasize the lengths Bruce goes to investigate. None of the pussy "run it in the Batcomputer to solve everything"

>>93833671
I hope so, im not a fan of Ben's batman. Besides, he doesn't even seem to be into it anymore, if ever.

>>93837821
>Whedon will work his magic
he'll make it look like a big budget tv show?

>>93833671
As soon as Wonder Woman flops. Someone posts the screencaps pls

>meanwhile WW is going to beat GOTG2 and Homecoming in the US

Smear that shit up bros, it's working just fine

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>>93833550

>>93837421
>homocumming had six (6) writers
Then again it was bad and it's underperforming hard so you may have a point

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>>93837357
>MoS was good. BvS was good.

>>93837572
This.
Rise of the Planet of the Apes was a better movie than any Mcu film I've seen.
DCEU only has wonder woman, everything else is garbage.

>>93840509
Its underperforming? Source?

>>93837841
What a fake fan.

Jason is my favorite and I definitely want to see him.

>>93833599
This. Who the fuck is clamoring for a Titans villain in a Batman movie? Le reddit?

>>93833550
how do you start over from a script that didn't exist

>>93833671
it depends

he's pay or play, but that works both ways: if the studio doesn't use him for contracted movies (ie if they use someone else in the role before he's finished his gig), they pay Affleck; if Affleck walks away, he pays the studio (an agreed penalty - buying himself out of his contract, basically)

but if he only signed up for... say three movies, he could be technically done to everybody's satisfaction after Justice League, because his cameo in Suicide Squad, while not really a leading role as usually defined, would generously be accepted as one by all parties - if he wants to leave, there's no point trying to keep him around with the state he and the movies are in

>>93833679
he never wrote it, he was always clear about that

Johns might have written something but there was no way in hell they'd ever have gone with a Johns original

Affleck had a big problem with people asking him about "The Batman" during his press tours for other movies late last year and early this and was pretty pissy about having to continually say "there's no script, no title" instead of talking about y'know the movies he was actually there to talk about

>>93833754
everybody knows when a movie is going to come out bad, you've got months of working on it, months of trying to figure out what you can do to fix it - and then in the end it's often down to chance, but he'd seen it at that stage and knew it was bad

he said he took the role of Batman because he's a fan and he wanted his son to see him as Batman, but then they made him the least Batman of all movie Batmen and had a borderline R-rated movie his infant son won't be able to watch for another decade

i'd say he was pretty resigned to a few years of shitty movies

>>93840509
>underperforming

the way it's going so far it'll probably hit 1.1 billion

>>93840533
m-m-muh KINO
2deep4u!

>>93840618
I never understood how some people say that they are tired of Jason when he is literally the Robin with the least exposure in both comics and media.

So yeah, bring in Red Hood into the DCEU.

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>Can't get a Flash movie made
>Can't get a Green Lantern even in a cameo, much less a solo movie
>Can't get Batman movie off the ground
>Still announcing shit like Black Adam and Gotham City Sirens on top of all of this

Well

well we still get Justice League and a... and a Aquaman movie

>>93840581
$117m domestic opening weekend, probably $60m Mon-Thu, second weekend likely to be around $60m; based on a straight 50% week to week drop progression it's on track to make ~$400m domestically over 12 weeks.

International grosses so far are matching the domestic, and it hasn't opened in China yet.

It's not underperforming.

>>93840666
>1.1 billion
I'll screencap that for my personal collection, if you don't mind

>>93840720
What a shame. We could have seen the end of Spider-meme forever. I guess Spiderfags are still desperately clinging onto their failure of a hero for a couple more years.

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>>93840756
>failure of a hero

What? Did someone say Superman?

>>93840581
Making less than the Raimi movies and everything else with RDJ, opened 20M less than projected and it's about to lose the first spot in its second weekend. Not a flop but underperforming pretty hard, GotG2 had better numbers

>>93840786
Superman didn't sell his wife and daughter to Satan

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>>93840666
Johns fucked up the script m8, at this point that it's pretty clear. He wanted batman earth one to be an influence, Ben probably wasn't happy about it and WB wasn't happy about shitting on its golden boy. Deathstroke role was must likely to thrash batman to the point of no return. We will never see the script, but if Ben distanced itself from it and wb didn't like it, and we are getting a page zero rewrite it means it was really bad. For the record you can't get a writing credit if you don't write at least a third if the script.


Pic related, notice the only batman book that Johns gave to the desthstroke actor.

>>93837741
>mask under the helmet
he really was melodramatic about it

>>93840552

watched all 3 of the new apes trilogy and the only one I'd say is great is the first. Rise (that's the second one with the dam, right?) was just a constant back and forth of "Caesar trust humans, humans do something to piss him off, he gets mad but begrudgingly decides to trust them again" for like the first half and then the second half was a pretty straight forward "evil lieutenant takes over" plot. The third one's entire plot is just fucking bonkers and way too much happens off screen.

>>93837774
Shut the fuck up faggot

>>93840805
>you can't get a writing credit if you don't write at least a third if the script.


That's not true. You can get a writing credit if your scenes are used. It's kind of a dick move to claim a credit for a movie you wrote one scene (or one line) for, so almost nobody does it.

>>93841362
>>93840552
The Apes movies are great, but i think it's mostly due to the apes novelty, how many movies can brag about having a bunch of monkeys looking more human than fucking James Franco? Because outside of that they're too dragged down by boring human subplots that go nowhere, and i haven't seen 3 but i have to say it worryingly reminds me of 2 too much (still gonna see it)

It's kinda like with Logan where the R-rating attracted more praise despite the overall movie being just The Wolverine all over again (which i have to say i didn't hate in the first place)

>>93841749

I don't know, I think the first one did a legitimately amazing job of getting the audience to connect with Caesar as a character, and then the second and third kinda dropped the ball.

I'm also a bit butthurt that Franco's character just dies as a footnote between movies.

>Deathstroke wankery averted

Thank god.

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>>93841677
Bullshit, you don't know what you are talking about. Credits in Hollywood are a fairly strict shit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGA_screenwriting_credit_system

>>93841825
Well, it's been a while, but yeah, Caesar's journey is clearly the best part

>>93841936
Also for the record this should make faggots that claim Snyder did nothing on wonder woman calm for a while.

>>93837700
This

>>93841973

>Also for the record this should make faggots that claim Snyder did nothing on wonder woman calm for a while.

But you can tell the exact parts where Snyder worked on Wonder Woman, it's where the film ends on a big gay CGI lightning fight and the dialogue shifts from fairly restrained and natural to "JOIN ME OR DIE DIANA!"

That stuff was all Zack "DO YOU BLEED" Snyder, because it's literally nothing like the rest of the film.

>>93841936
>>93841973

"screenplay by" is't the same as being listed as a writer though.

In Wonder woman's case there's one "screenplay by" and 3 "story by" credits.

There's no way Allan Heinburg contributed 33% of the screenplay and then Snyder and Fuchs each contributed 50%.

>>93837544
>rewatch it until you "get" it

That's called Brainwashing, dipshit

If a movie needs people to watch it multiple times just so people can find it decent, it's a bad movie

>>93842092
That's why the word was credit

>>93842208

what

>>93842062
No, the ending wasn't Snyder at all, especially since he wanted the brits to be as bad as the Germans, the guy is a ww1 fanboy, the no man's land was his, its just 300+sucker punch

>>93842062
That ending fight was way too coherent for Snyder. The lightning didn't even really get used till the big Kamehameha finish at the end.

>>93842240
>300
You mean the movie where he made the bad guys even more comically evil by adding random monster-people and a rape? "I WILL DESTROY YOU" is perfectly in his field. Screaming was all Zod did

But putting this speculation aside, i don't understand the autism in trying to guess what parts were Snyder and what weren't. I've seen fanboys going as far as claiming he secretly directed all the best action scenes in the movie. All this is doing is undermining Patty's control and merits on the movie.

What's depressing about this is that we're basically getting a preview of how braibdead the JL discussions will be
>X scene was cool while Y scene wasn't, i bet our kinogod did that while the problems were all Whedon
Or viceversa of course

>>93842549

According to >>93841936 a "story by" credit can mean you submitted a screenplay that was then subject to a page one rewrite. It's possible Snyder contributed very little. Since he didn't get a "screenplay by" credit we can conclude that whatever he did contribute is less than 50% of the total final screenplay.

So somewhere between "almost nothing" to "just shy of 50%" is what we can tell by the credits unless I misread something. Anything more specific than that is speculation.

>>93842549
>>X scene was cool while Y scene wasn't, i bet our kinogod did that while the problems were all Whedon

just like Edgar Wright and Ant-Man

>>93837741
This story arc was objectively terrible.

>>93842549
No you dumbass, he was talking about the No man's land scene that shares more than a few things with 300 and Sucker punch.

>>93834573
He's doing a better Job than Snyder that's all

>>93844658
How?

Tell me how. Please. His script was rejected, cyborg is a huge blunder that ended up killing the flash movie.

>>93834154
DCEU batman was supposed to be old and broken to make it looks like to casuals that he's Nolan batman after tdkr

>>93837357
MoS was ok at best, BvS was shit

>>93844849
Wonder Woman.

>>93841936
Hey, anon

maybe try an actual source instead of wikipedia?

http://www.wga.org/uploadedFiles/writers_resources/credits/scpg10.pdf

>A “participating writer” is a writer who has participated in the writing of
the screenplay or a writer who has been employed by the Company on
the story and/or screenplay or a “professional writer” who has sold or
licensed literary material subject to the MBA. (See Article 1.B.1.b. of the
MBA for the definition of a “professional writer.”)

but see also

http://www.wga.org/uploadedfiles/writers_resources/contracts/MBA14.pdf

(the 2017 isn't up yet; it's not going to be substantially different in this regard)

>The Guild's historic, current and ongoing opposition is based upon beliefs and principles which include the following:

>Credits should, as far as possible, accurately reflect each individual's
contribution.

>The granting of a possessive credit to a person who has not both written and
directed a given motion picture inaccurately imputes sole or preeminent
authorship.

>The proliferation of the number of unnecessary credits on screen and in
advertising devalues credits in general.

>The widespread use of the credit denigrates the creative contributions of others

You also want to look at sections 9 and 11 of Article 1 (A - General) and all of Article 1 (B - Theatrical), which between them define who is and is not eligible; between that the the WGA Basic Agreement's statements of principle, you can understand why anything with more than one credited writer, or which has been worked on by multiple people even if the company isn't crediting more than one, goes to arbitration by a WGA panel.

If you write that one scene on which the rest of the script hangs, you're damned right you're getting a credit even if it's all that remains of your work; the likelihood is that you wouldn't. The truth is there's no open and shut argument here; just the balance of probability.

>>93834573
Yeah, johns' scripts for movies have been mediocre at best
Look at Curse of Shazam

>Affleck would rather drink himself to death than actually make the movie.
>Reeves hasn't really thought about it much since he's preoccupied with Ape kino
>Joe Manganiello stuck in purgatory aka WB's waiting room.
I think that this isn't going to happen for years.

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>>93833550
>Later, Reeves was also asked if he has approached anyone about casting for the project. MTV's Josh Horowitz specifically brought up Josh Gad's on-going teases about him playing the Penguin
>MFW Josh Gad will end up playing up The Penguin at some point

>>93845871
>>Reeves hasn't really thought about it much since he's preoccupied with Ape kino

I hope this shit doesn't get in his way of making more Ape kino.

>>93845555
Shilling for cyborg ended up killing the flash movie, and deathstroke as a batman villian? It shows how much of a cunt Johns is

>>93834863
If Aquaman makes it, it will be fitting that the two joke superheroes for the past decade end up being the kings of the movie verse.

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>>93833671
How goes the job friend?

>>93846350
It will also maybe force DC to get out of their comfort zone and start investing on other heroes besides Superman and Batman

Suicide Squad is miles better than any shitty Marvel cape shit. The characters are way better developed and have actual emotional depth

>>93837735
>>93840088
>batgod fags
stay mad