Steve Whitmire Fired from the Muppets

but that is none of my concern

>Sacks Kermit's voice for no reason

whats wrong with Disney

>>93826110
>We wish him well in his future endeavors.
That's basically machine code for "Fuck him."

what did he do? Was it politics?

>>93826110
>their two stated issues

What could they possibly have been? Why didn't he tell the public what they were?

Disney is ice cold.

>>93826246

It's always politics.

>>93826110
>I am devastated to have failed in my duty to my hero"
Fuck you Disney for making him think that. I firmly believe that Steve lived up to Jim's legacy.

>>93826246
>>93826263
Put it this way: he wasn't known as Steve "She's 18 in Frog Years" Whitmire for jothing. Disney did the right thing and protected themselves.

Thats fckg fine, Steve say a lot of BS about our loved president

>>93826110
>I would never consider abandoning Kermit or any of the others because to do so would be to forsake the assignment entrusted to me by Jim Henson, my friend and mentor, but even more, my hero.

That's not how copyrights work.

God damn it Disney could you at least pretend your not a soulless corporation

Damn at least give us a hint as to what the reasons were. It couldn't have been a pay issue because I feel like Steve wouldn't care about that.

>>93826263
>Kermit needs to be more "hip"
>We want Kermit to be funnier/wackier
I imagine it was a couple of bullshit demands like this, something that cant really be quantified so they can sack the actor regardless of any changes they might be willing to make.

>>93826246
>Was it politics?
Wouldn't doubt it. Disney/ABC just dropped Tim Allen's popular "Last Man Standing" series because Allen is a Trump supporter.

>>93826314
Show me them sources you dirty, stinking liar.

>>93826385
Remember "muh feelings!"

I'll believe this when we have 100% confirmation that Steve wrote this statement.

>>93826318
>Steve say a lot of BS about our loved president
wuh??

>>93826110
It was a Pepe the frog related, Steve was using his Kermit voice to spout Pepe memes and someone recorded it.

>>93826441
>Steve Whitmire
Steve Whitmire

>>93826385
mean while Ike perlmutter still runs Marvel.

>>93826392
The sources on Steve "Permit the Log" Whitmire? Steve "One-Hand Puppet Show" Whitmire?

>>93826314
that was the prior one

>>93826110
Please don't let this be another Kevin Clash situation...

>>93826469
He was running Marvel long before Disney even considered buying it.

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>>93826110
What racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. thing do they say that he said?

>>93826110
Holy shit. That's beautiful and I believe him. I'm never turned when actors complain about being fired, but I am absolutely on Whitmire's side reading this.

>>93826110
I seriously want to know their reason for firing him. As it is, that is really, really cold.

>>93826469
Ike's democrat. Trump was democrat until the 90s.

Mcu is aploitical with a conserative view on who is a hero.

>>93826726
Two reasons, he says, that they had never brought up before and he was willing to adjust to. I wonder what they are.

>>93826385
>because Allen is a Trump supporter.
No, he's not even that. He just said he didn't hate the guy.

>>93826764
Ike was kicked out of Marvel Studios, 'member? He just runs the comics now.

>>93826798
Yeah. But the tv and cartoonstill is close to the comics. We still get synergy from the shows.


While the licences are up to both disney and ike.

Jeesh, the guy's literally been involved with Muppets since the fucking OG Muppet Show and they do him like that?

Shit's fucked, yo.

No wonder Frank Oz doesn't get involved anymore.

>>93826773
But I want to know what exactly those reasons were. It sounds like whatever they were, they weren't scandals. Especially with how he addresses it.

>>93826860
>No wonder Frank Oz doesn't get involved anymore.
I think he knew Disney was gonna start kicking out the old timers and start straying away from what Jim had in mind, so he got out before he said something or pissed somebody off.

>>93826860
Seriously. I usually stay out of the "*Insert Company* is bad" thing, but this is straight up cold.

>>93826679
>it's not easy being green

>>93826978
Underrated

This totally breaks my heart. Guy had no reason to be kicked out of his life's work.

>>93826371
Oh joy something Kermit just flat out isn't. He's the put upon straight man. He can be funny but that always lies in a witty barb retort to someones displeasure.

>>93826778
And his show wasn't liberal and cut into liberals as a modern Archie Bunker.

Which was okay when it was an Island in a sea of liberalism. But now the oceans have receded and they see its part of the country.

Can't have that.

>>93826385
Politics in business terms means something different dude, like pissing off the wrong people.

>>93826485
You're thinking of Elmo. Kermit was voiced by Jim Henson before Whitmire, and nobody before that.

>>93826235
>machine code
Lol.

>>93827302
Its not wrong.

>>93826778
And that's enough.

>>93826924
That "The Office" attempt was garbage. Utterly misunderstanding why shit works with the muppets.

>>93826924
>called the new Muppet movies "too cute"
>said the new abc muppet show missed the point of the muppets
Why doesn't he come back and show them what the Muppets are, as a director?

>>93826318
Why would they wait so long to fire him for comments about Obama?

REEEE fuck Disney

>the new Kermit is just one of the old performers, Matt Vogel
that tells you Whitmire was canned for being at odds with the company and they needed a replacement quick.

>>93826364
Probably stuff towards the character, changing him

>>93826314
Wasn't that Elmo?

>>93828016
It was.

Now I want to see the Sesame Street episode about Elmo raping Zoe and not realizing it's bad until he's told. Complete with getting sent to jail.

>>93828000
Probably, but this is Disney we're talking about, we'll probably never get a proper answer, just vague hints.

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>>93826764
>Ike Perlmutter
>Democrat
>New Years Eve 2016

Yeah, defo a democrat.

>>93827424
>Why doesn't he come back and show them what the Muppets are, as a director?
This.

>>93826246
If it isnt Politics, its Pedoshit. Seeing as we dont have a mugshot and them severing ties with him Jared style, Its the former.

>>93826263
>Why didn't he tell the public what they were?
NDAs

>>93826385
>popular

>>93826110
well I like his attitude towards his role. I hope he remains involved with the studio somehow with all that experience.

>>93826385

Because that's a lot more likely than ABC not wanting to pay the increased production costs for a show that they don't even own and have to share revenue for as a result.

>>93826158
fuck you just fuck you i laughed

>>93827273
>>93827359

looks like someone has a persecution complex

Sudden onset Tourette's

>October 2016
All I can find in Google is this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/57ua5s/til_that_while_danny_trejo_was_filming_his_cameo/

>TIL that while Danny Trejo was filming his cameo in "The Muppets: Most Wanted!" his mother passed. The cast all offered their sympathy but he shrugged it off because of his 'tough guy' persona. It wasn't until Steve Whitmire apologized in character as Kermit the Frog that Trejo broke down crying.

I did also find this: http://www.toughpigs.com/steve-whitmire-news/
It's nothing new, but it notes that Matt Zogel was the performer for Constantine, the Kermit impersonator in "Muppets Most Wanted", so that softens the blow a bit.

Anyways, I've got nothing. Just a story about Danny Trejo.

>>93826798
No, Marvel Studios was just removed from Marvel Entertainment. Ike still runs the comics, tv shows, merchandising, licensing, games, websites, toys, etc.

>>93826337
Corporations can't have souls. Despite what some politicians would have you believe, they're not people.

>>93830087
>It wasn't until Steve Whitmire apologized in character as Kermit the Frog that Trejo broke down crying
damn son

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>>93826110
>We missed the timeline where Jim went to the hospital 2 weeks earlier and became CCO of the Walt Disney Company.

>>93826158
fpbp

>>93829747
Had some of the best ratings in it's time slot, but sure, that's not popular.

>>93826385
I wish this meme would die. It was booted for a combination of reasons. Time Allen has said he doesn't hate Trump but he makes fun of both sides on the show.

It was cancelled because of high production costs and the construction in Disney Tokyo. It wasn't the only thing to get axed either.

Conservative fucks just wanted another thing to point at and say filthy liberals took muh show

>>93832437
You mean Shanghai.

Tokyo's been around for over 30 years and isn't even owned by Disney themselves.

>>93832524
On the topic, Disneyland Paris is the one that failed at launch, right?

>>93832740
Yeah, and the repercussions of that rough launch fucked things up in park development for over a decade.

>>93832437
Yeah, wasn't Allen poised to get a huge raise for the next season? Costs were probably too high for the show to keep going based on returns

>>93832259
It had the best ratings of its time slot, it was down 38% from its 1st season. The only time it was #1 recently was the finally, it was beaten by MacGyver every other week.

>>93832437
>It was cancelled because of high production costs

Plus it's owned by 20 Century Fox so ABC would be taking on that additional cost and risk while not being able to make it back off of DVD sales.

>>93826110
I hope Matt Vogel can do well as Kermit

>>93826469
>>93828193
Ike only ever met Trump once: At a charity fundraiser that they both coincidentally attended. Trump is a "celebrity spokesperson" for some random children's charity that Ike coincidentally happens to also be a big contributor to. Ike is a notorious far-left democrat. Their meeting had nothing to do with politics.

>>93826246
>>93826285
>>93826385
>>93829348
Jim Henson was a literal communist. By his own admission. There's no fucking way Henson would have mentored this dude if they didn't see eye-to-eye on politics. Henson was known for refusing to hire anyone who wasn't as far-left as he was.

>>93833610
Where's the proof? Henson was literally Christian.

It really bums me out. Like, if he was retiring or something, it'd be one thing, but what good reason does Disney have for this?

I mean, if this happened last September, we would've heard about it sooner if it was something serious.

>>93830087
Leaves the room all stone faced comes back in with Kermit and gives him a hug and condolences.

>>93830087
Why the fuck did Disney fire this guy

>>93834500
Power Moves. He was Old Guard and they are going to do Muppet type things he wouldn't approve of and would be the voice for Jim.

But it'll likely be a massive Clusterfuck and they'll ask him to come back. Just like Force Awakens.

>>93830052
Why are there so many
Songs about FUCKING SHIT PISSING NIGGER COCKS!!1!
And what's on the other side?

>>93834564
Nah its got to stay within lyrical rhythm.

I'll be honest, I haven't watched a Muppet related thing since the first new movie, but I am insanely curious and disappointed.

This will affect me 0 ways, but what the fuck could he have done?

>>93834617
Most Wanted was actually a lot of fun with some good songs. I had 'Big House' stuck in my head for like a week.

Haven't seen any of the show.

>>93834779
I'll probably give it a go. I don't know why I stopped giving a shit.

>>93833759
If communists weren't atheists, they'd be catholics.

>>93834812
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXppfX-mBsE

>>93834617
well the last big loss was because of a game of "how young is too young" that he lost, and most every other loss was to a death

They're gonna make Kermit a minority.

>>93826110
So what kind of oppression Olympics mess of a person are we thinking will replace Steve? Since Elmo is done by a black guy, i'm guessing they'll want to one-up Sesame Street and hire a gay black ftm tranny.

>>93834945
Matt Vogel is taking his place. He voiced Constantine in the last movie and has been with the Muppets for awhile.

Still makes absolutely zero sense why they would replace Steve, fuck Disney.

>>93833577
He did donate a million dollars to Trump's presidential campaign

>>93835084

Part of it might be that Matt's eleven years younger and has a knack for imitating a wide range of characters; he might have been open to a longer term contract on better terms for Disney (especially if he can voice other characters) than Steve.

>>93833759
Jesus was a socialist, dude.

>>93826263
>Why didn't he tell the public what they were?

Because if you want to work in the industry you don't want to be known as the guy who go ons twitter and sells your old company out

>>93835849
Yeah, maybe he wants to be available if they ever ask him to come back.

>>93835876

There's that but it's also just a matter of looking good to other prospective companies. He can put Kermit down on his resume and look like a boss. He doesn't have to tell anyone WHY he was let go beyond "they wanted to go in a different direction with the character" and because he's a pro he can get a job doing something else

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>>93826110

Did he openly or secretly support Trump?

This is the reason why Disney (aka some black female feminist in charge) canceled Tim Allen's show even though it was one of the networks top rated shows for seven years.

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>>93826334
>Underrated post

>>93826110
He's been doing the same thing since he was 19, there are no future endeavors for this guy . At least he accumulated enough wealth to retire I guess.

>>93834779
My only problem with Most Wanted, and it could have totally been a badly made TV edit, but I felt the songs were chopped kinda badly.

Maybe its because I listened to the soundtrack before watching the movie but most of the good bits get cut off. The Interrogation Song and I'll get You What You Want specially got most of its best bits off in the version i watched.

I have no idea if the dvd/blue ray is the full cut but if someone can tell me, i'd heavily appreciate it.

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>>93836210
The fuck is a /bol/ ? You mean like those zits my Aunt Agatha used to get in the summer time ?

>>93836247
the fuck is that

>>93826110
>>93826334
It's less about copyright and more about duty. Plus, it's more that Steve himself wouldn't leave the post unless forcibly removed, which ended up being the case.

>>93837686
>the fuck is that
Maybe that's a /bol/.

>>93826430
It's been confirmed that it is him.

>>93826318
>>>/pol/

>>93826110
Maybe the request was to shill for Hillary

>>93826110
Joel you piece of shit I got fired now bring me my whiskey

>>93831255
>Hi, I'm Jim Henson, welcoming you to the DVD of Guardians of the Galaxy. Our production workshop put a lot of effort into practical puppets you'll see in the film, as we didn't want to rely on computer graphics or slapping some paint on human actors. We wanted the aliens in this picture to look alien, and I'm proud of the work done by our company. You can see the behind the scenes of some of these creatures on bonus features, as well as preview for our next production of adapting Redwall. Thank you and enjoy.

>>93834562
>Just like Force Awakens.
lol what

>>9382638 that got canceled

>>93836136
No, that was about money. They had a six-year deal on costs (ie any rises in costs, like Tim Allen demanding more money or threatening to walk, would be covered by 20th Century FOX), and when it expired, those costs would be passed to ABC. Apparently FOX let Allen's costs get ridiculous, so when ABC had to decide on whether to continue, they said no thanks, we've had six seasons already, it's probably downhill from here ratings wise anyway (which is true - very few shows get consistently high ratings for a full decade).

>seven years

Six years. Six seasons.

It did have steady ratings at the end, but that's called going out on a high. Nobody wanted Friends-style situation where they were dragging it out without stories and with ridiculous costs going up all the time - Friends got lucky, that was all. If their ratings had dropped, there would have been an awful lot of highly paid people suddenly getting paid to play Peoria.

>>93831255
>We could have had a shitton of Froudian fantasy films and a Storyteller Cinematic Universe instead of the live-action cartoon remake garbage

>>93831255

At the very least, he became a high profile example as to why its retarded to be a Christian Scientist.

>>93826285
to someone whose politics are likely toxic and reprehensible, I'm sure everything would feel like an attack. Best to not be on the side hate.

>>93834564
die bitch.

>>93839965
I don't think he needed a transfusion he just didn't like going to the doctor, like most men.

>>93841650
I don't think most men have an issue with getting lifesaving treatment. That's not really a gendered issue.

>>93839592
Force Awakens while a success has become known as not a really good Star Wars story and Abrams is considered to be a shit idea man for its future.

So they went to George and got all his notes on his plans for films 7,8,9 and are now working those into the films while marginalizing all of Abrams ideas.

>>93826264

>Water is wet.

Also, kys namefag.

>>93826496
Clash was innocent and cleared of all charges

>>93826364
>I would never consider abandoning Kermit or any of the others because to do so would be to forsake the assignment entrusted to me by Jim Henson, my friend and mentor, but even more, my hero.

How big of a hint do you want? Disney sacked him.

>>93839382
That's not at all what Jim would have done, dude was already experimenting with 3D animation and puppetry since Labyrinth and continued to do so into his last Muppets movie the Muppets Ride. He would have been all over VR tech as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoSutaKx0Ag

>>93842841
Really? Source?

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Steve Whitmire's full statement on this.

>Dear Friends,

>In 1978 when I was asked to join The Muppet Show, the Muppets were the hottest thing on the planet. I was invited to sit at the feet of the true masters, Jim Henson, Frank Oz, Jerry Nelson, Richard Hunt, and Dave Goelz; working alongside them, absorbing different skills from each, as we, along with many talented others, contributed towards the same shared vision, the vision of one man. The result became a skill-set for myself that was sort of a compilation of the best of them all.

>For me the Muppets are not just a job, or a career, or even a passion. They are a calling, an urgent, undeniable, impossible to resist way of life. This is my life’s work since I was 19 years old. I feel that I am at the top of my game, and I want all of you who love the Muppets to know that I would never consider abandoning Kermit or any of the others because to do so would be to forsake the assignment entrusted to me by Jim Henson, my friend and mentor, but even more, my hero.

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>>93843325
>As I am sure you can imagine, I have experienced every possible emotion since October 2016, when I received a phone call from The Muppets Studio’s executives to say they were recasting. Through a new business representative, I have offered multiple remedies to their two stated issues which had never been mentioned to me prior to that phone call. I wish that we could have sat down, looked each other in the eye, and discussed what was on their minds before they took such a drastic action.

>I have remained silent the last nine months in hopes that the Disney company might reverse their course. Doing what is best for the Muppets is the lens through which all my interactions have been filtered. Given the opportunity I remain willing to do whatever is required to remedy their concerns because I feel my continued involvement with the characters is in the best interest of the Muppets.

>For decades, you have been an invaluable partner in co-creating the existence of the Muppets, and I am humbled by your devotion to them. There is so much more for us to talk about so I have created this site as a place to connect and share on all things Muppet, past, present and future.

>Please forgive any faux pas as I have not been active in social media previously and have a serious learning curve. I just want you all to know that I am sorry if I have disappointed any of you at any point throughout our journey, and to let everyone know that I am devastated to have failed in my duty to my hero.

>>93843325
>>93843345
ABC cancelled The Muppets on 12th May of 2016

On May 24 there's a Muppets interview during Vulture Festival 2016 with Kermit informing Fozzie about the shows cancellation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts6YYHjGc7c

>Whitmire is sacked October 2016

Leave it to Disney execs to not handle Muppet banter and hold petty grudges against their performers.

>>93843057
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoSutaKx0Ag
Goddamn man Jim knew all this cool shit was coming and he never got to play with it...

>>93843057
Jim Henson being a top executive would have been apt. He was the new Walt Disney.

>>93843907
Did you even read what was being criticized or nah?

>>93843325
>>93843345
>their two stated issues

Does anybody know what those issues were?

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>>93844499
He was probably too critical ABC's Muppets, there were a lot of performer rumblings during the making of The Muppets (2011) too but that quieted down.

Also speaking of Steve Whitmire, now Gonzo is without his buddy Rizzo.

>>93827424
>>93828197
Look up the Cheapest Muppets Movie Ever Made

>One of the last times Oz wrote a script with Juhl and Jim
>The movie was going to be about Kermit letting Gonzo handling the budget of the latest Muppets Movie and he blows it all on the opening sequence, the movie would have increasingly gone down in video quality the more budget ran out to the point of Gonzo filming it with old cameras and using cardboard sets
>Oz was set to direct with the project being announced at a D23
>It all ended getting shoved off the table in favour of Jason Segel's script

So yeah I doubt Oz will EVER work on a Muppets project again, especially with his friends getting sacked over nothing.

>>93843074
Been noted in a few articles in the Star Wars threads. mostly using again corporate speak "working to make his ideas fit our vision" in talking about Abrams which means "his stuff was garbage and now we need to put it in a box and shove it out a airlock".

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>>93845455
The Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever Made! is an idea for a film that Jim Henson, Jerry Juhl and Frank Oz first developed in 1985.

Juhl, the Muppets' head writer from the late 1970s through the the 90s, discussed the film's concept in a 1998 interview with Muppet Central:

“ There was a project for a Muppet movie that we kept returning to. Jim and I worked on it and just loved it. It grew out of the fact that Jim was talking about finances and if we did another Muppet movie at the time, it would need to be done inexpensively, since we were using bigger and bigger budgets for all our other projects...So we conceived of a movie slated as "The Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever Made." That was the original working title and that later became the subtitle with the title along the lines of, "Into the Teeth of the Demons of Death."

The idea being that this was a film that Gonzo directed. Kermit was too busy so when Gonzo asked, Kermit said, "Sure, go ahead. I can't take on the responsibilities behind the scenes at this time, but I'll perform in it." So Gonzo wrote this cheesy, terrible plot that made absolutely no sense whatsoever about something being stolen that led to a chase around the world. Unfortunately Gonzo blows half the movie's budget on the opening titles! So as the film progresses, it gets cheaper and cheaper where they're using a shot of the same street corner for every city in the world! We were still talking about this project in the last meeting I ended up having with Jim.

Every now and then, we still bring up the movie. Six months ago, Frank had said to me, "You know, there's still something in that movie, it would be a lot of fun to do." One thing that kept it from happening though was that for "The Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever Made," it still turned out to be expensive to shoot. Things like a tranquil island blowing up with a volcano and such.

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/The_Cheapest_Muppet_Movie_Ever_Made!

>>93845455
>>Look up the Cheapest Muppets Movie Ever Made

Fuck something that sounds like it would be a riot and right in the Muppet wheelhouse replaced by some bullshit trying to force that Walter Bastard as a Muppet Headliner.

Fuck Executives with no since or taste.

As for that Office Piece of Garbage.

OG MUPPET SHOW WAS FUCKING 30 ROCK!! JUST DO THAT AGAIN!!!

Assholes.

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>>93845701
Additional plot details were recounted in Jim Henson: The Biography: Gonzo's film, Into the Jaws of the Demons of Death, would eventually get cheaper and cheaper in looks, turning into "black-and-white Super 8 film," then to a slideshow and storyboards. Eventually, Gonzo would gain some corporate sponsorship, ending the movie in hi-def widescreen.

The script was again mentioned as a next movie for the Muppets in September 2009 as discussed at the D23 Expo. It was later set aside yet again in favor of The Muppets.

>>93845730
>corporate sponsorship, ending the movie in hi-def widescreen.


Better have obnoxious product placement

>>93826446
source? I want to hear it.

>>93826446
Wasn't Mark Hamill planning something similar. Reading Trumps Twitter in his Joker voice.

>>93836136
>some black female feminist
Whose that?

>>93842841
Oh nooo. Poor Jew Jew Binks.

>>93826110
What the fuck Disney?

>>93833759
>it's a "Jesus isn't a liberal" poster

>>93826110
How awkward is it going to be for the rest of the mupeteers now?
Most of them will have been working with Steve for years.

Honestly I see this doing real damage to the Muppets as a whole.

>>93826173
Money. Executives are robots programmed to artificially inflate the company's bottom line so they can convince another company of buying their loaded gun. Long-term sustainability be damned.

>be me, revisting the muppets in the first time in a while. Rewatching the old show and the movies, even getting round to finishing the ABC series and actually enjoying it
>Find out that Steve's being replaced
>W-well, as long as it's his decision or he's parting on good terms. I'll miss his worm but I guess everyone has to step down at some point.
>Find out this
The muppets just make me feel fufilled and happy and I was just being reminded about that.

Why does this have to happen?

>>93826385
>Tim Allen
>Popular
What a weird time we live in.

>>93826446
What pepe memes are even verbal though apart from the fucking reeee thing?

>>93835981
I really hope he does. Dedicated professionals like that seem to be a disappearing breed these days.

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>>93843325
>>93843345
Goddamn, though. That's legitimately heartbreaking.

>>93826110
What, was he fucking the Kermit puppet?

>>93847360
There were apparently two issues he was not informed of until the phone call telling him he was fired and he expressed a strong willingness to address both of them but to no avail.

So they were probably bullshit "we're moving in a different direction" "new course for the character" blah blah reasons.

>>93845829
>planning

He's been doing it.

>>93841541

That's an awful lot of baseless assumptions there, sport.

>>93827448

He was talking about Trump you mong.

>>93826471

Those arent sources. Please provide documented evidence to back up your claim

>>93827359

Wait. Isn't the left always blowing their own horn about tolerance and diversity?

You can't say you support that then turn around and deny someone that very very same tolerance you preach so long and hard about if you don't agree with them. That's a double standard.

>>93848630
You're continuing on the assumption Allen actually was fired because of that, when several other anons have already explained that was not the case.

>>93846752
>Feels good/bad, man.

>>93829938

Ah, sarcasm. The lowest form of wit.

You apparently have no idea how steeped Hollywood is in this leftist shit. Of course theyll punish anyone who doesnt tow the narrative. This is exactly how they operate

>>93832437

Or so a biased media would tell you to believe.

>>93832437

Leftist detected.

So, does your wife allow you to watch her fucking black men?

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>>93848716
>>93848798
Hold on a minute.

>Kermit's voice actor was fired
>Kermit is a frog
>Frogs are similar to lizards
>Lizardpeople are controlling the global media

By god we've stumbled onto the key to everything!

>>93836136

Well if anyone knew about it, it wouldn't be a secret, then

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>>93836188

>>All the gay pandering

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>>93849048
>mfw they aren't pandering enough to lesbians

>>93837686

You mean the pic? Looks to be an older head that they used for Miss Piggy that has deteriorated

If you meant what the text was describing, it's called a boil.

Any fan campaigns started to get him back?

>>93850204
They don't work, and it seems like disney really does not want to deal with Whitmire

>>93848675
>several other anons have already explained that was not the case.

Or so the narrative the media wants them and you to think is the case goes.

The media is always about pushing the leftist agenda. ALWAYS. If you don't agree with them you're the enemy.

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>>93849076

>>getting sexually aroused by a type of person who by their very definition will never, EVER have sex with you.

>>93850563
You seem a little TOO eager to push that theory, anon. Could you perhaps be a leftist agendaist false flagging? Could you secretly be crab people? You can't prove to me that you aren't! You fucking commie crab.

>>93850563
>Or so the narrative the media wants them and you to think is the case goes.
Yes, because if there is one thing we all know about The Walt Disney Company is that they hate money and will cancel a popular show that makes them too much of it.
It was loosing in ratings to that MacGyver remake, anon.

>>93850609
You haven't been on 4chan long if you think that's a prerequisite for a fetish.

>>93850613

Not a theory. A fact.

>>93850725

It isn't logical. A lesbian would never have sex with a straight man. That's kinda the entire point of being a lesbian, you know, NOT HAVING SEX WITH MEN. There isn't any point in getting a chub for them.

Besides, have you ever LOOKED at real lesbians? The whole super sexy Harley and Ivy shit doesnt ever really happen in real life

>>93851657
>It's not logical
Yeah, it's a fetish. That's how they work, man.

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>>93843325
>>93843345
This is such a bummer, man.

I know nobody could've ever truly replaced Jim, but Steve's muppets have been such a fixture in my life. He was Ernie when I watched Sesame Street, he's Kermit in the Christmas Carol I watch every year... and to go out so awkwardly and depressingly like this just has to suck.

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>>93845260
>Gonzo
Now Dave Goelz is the last of the old guard remaining.

>>93843345
>I am devastated to have failed in my duty to my hero

Something inside me broke reading these words

>>93826314
There's no way this wouldn't come out. Elmo's voice got busted for it.

>>93852156
Which is what that anon has it confused with, no doubt.

>>93851657
>>93850609
bisexuals, anon

>>93845780
I can either see half the credits being nothing but corporate logos/sponsors (many of whom I'd assume wouldn't actually exist) or the credits themselves being squashed into a corner like a TV show's credits to make way for commercials.

>>93846546
The suits don't have feelings

>>93847544
He knows from personal experience

>>93839382
Adapting Redwall...

My god I have never wanted to see a Muppet movie as badly as this.

>>93843345
>failed in my duty to my hero.
No. NO.

>>93828016
>her

>>93827424
The man made Little Shop of Horrors, my favorite movie of all time, he can take anything and render it into perfection.

Disney should definetly let him direct something.

>>93845260
I have a Rizzo plush next to my bed

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>>93845730
>eventually get cheaper and cheaper in looks, turning into "black-and-white Super 8 film," then to a slideshow and storyboards.

>>93839382
Farscape from SciFi was pretty much this.

>>93857769
He doesn't want to, he considers the Disney deal with the Muppets a large contributor to Jim Henson's death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlmV2WCNL8E

>>93858256
Skip to the 41min mark

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>>93858256
43:45 forward.

>>93826469
Ike doesn't just run Marvel because Disney let's him. He's one if the three largest stockholders of the company. They literally cannot fire one if their owners.

>>93858256
>>93858486
>I think he wouldn't have gotten as sick, had he not been worn down by the deal that much.

>>93833759
Christian Scientist. These guys are massively leftist.

Sometimes they change cast members for purely business reasons such as the PPG voice actors.

>>93846175
Gonna have to adjust just like they did when Jim died.

>>93826110
Based Disney knows what's right

I trust them on this

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>>93846175
Don't think Dave Goelz will be staying on much longer with this going on, he'll probably retire and have a puppeteer lined up he picked to play Gonzo.

>>93826110
He said he'd been working to remedy their issues with him for the past few months, then says they fired him out of nowhere. I'm going to say drinking or drugs.

The Muppets are past their prime and should be retired anyways. The only reason people care about them is for nostalgic reasons. You'll never get the new generation to care about them. Kill them off now while they're still remembered fondly.

>>93851657
>>Besides, have you ever LOOKED at real lesbians? The whole super sexy Harley and Ivy shit doesnt ever really happen in real life
Wow, are you telling me that there's fetishes that can NEVER happen IRL? You just opened my eye, dude. I would have never realized that if not for your insight. I'll stop having boners for futanari, yuri, inflation, gigantism and what-not now that I've realized my folly.

Fucking retard.

>>93859465
fuck you

>>93835190
They can't expect Matt Vogel to do EVERY character.

>>93859353
Dave is 70, he's getting old anyway. I could see him retiring easily. He's the last of the original Muppets cast.

>>93826471
Kill yourself.

>>93859465
Well, yeah. I mean, this isn't 1983.

>>93857827
>Muppets predict Evangelion
Why even watch anime?

>>93859559
He's hung on a long time, Frank Oz retired years ago.

Steve can get fairly passionate when Disney does something that is completely out of line. There was a minor incident involving Disney deciding to recruit 'alternate performers' right after they bought the Muppets, which Steve heavily protested and only backed off once the program was scrapped.

https://youtu.be/MlJ4ibTOCOU?t=495


Steve was really nervous and apprehensive about how the 2011 movie turned out.

The 2011 movie seemed to have a lot of mixed emotions surrounding it even before it came out: Frank Oz didn't feel the script was very respectful to the characters or their interactions, and some people (myself included) was skeptical of the usually R-rated Jason Segel handling the script himself... even when the movie did come out, it got a lot of mixed reviews, with some feeling it spent too much time on "hero worshipping" the Muppets and less on the actual story or the characters and their humor.

It sounds, to me, like Steve has always been uneasy about Disney's handling of the Muppets, as many of us have, but again, it seems to me that perhaps Disney is just not wanting to put up with him any longer.

www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-make-steve-whitmire-a-muppet-again/

>>93859680
Didn't Frank Oz retire because he fucked his throat from doing Miss Piggy for decades?

>>93826385
Holy shit I laughed at this post.

>>93859731
"I had done this for 30 years, and I had never wanted to be a puppeteer in the first place. I wanted to be a journalist, and really what I wanted to do was direct theatre and direct movies. As an actor and a performer, you feel limited because you're not the source for the creation, and I wanted to be the source... I've always enjoyed, more than anything else, bringing things to life, whether it be characters or actors in a scene or moments in movies. I've done so much with puppets, that I've wanted to work with actors."

He did some voice over stuff for Muppets from Space but that's it.

>>93826158
Fuck off
>>93831736
No

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>>93826173
Jews.

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Kermit is now going to come out as a transsexual lesbian.

>>93826173
>>93826246
>>93826263
My guess is:
1. Semetic nepotism, it would not surprise me in the least if his replacement was a member of the tribe
Combined with:
2. Whitmire is not only a gentile, but also from the south, a region that's generally thought of as backwater hickland by people in the media.

>>93827424
>Why doesn't he come back and show them what the Muppets are, as a director?
He said he wants to come back, but he doesn't hardly know any of the people who work with the Muppets nowadays, and besides that Disney probably doesn't want him as it seems like they want to take the Muppets in a "new" direction.

>>93859847

Don't be such an autistic vagina.

>>93860008
>it's the jews!

Frank Oz's parents were Dutch Jews that fled the Netherlands when Hitler invaded.

>>93842907
He's actually still a puppeteer for the Jim Henson Company, he just doesn't work on Sesame Street anymore.

>>93848330
Nobody likes Trump.

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>>93859710
The only good thing about that movie was how much of a fucking cunt Jack Black was

>>93859710
I heard Frank Oz softened up on it later. Although I can understand if he was still bitter about >>93845455

On the whole the 2011 was favourably recieved wasn't it?

>>93826446
>>93826679
>>93860008
>>93826385

It's shocking how /pol/ does this shit then wonders why we hate them.

>>93860093
>and besides that Disney probably doesn't want him as it seems like they want to take the Muppets in a "new" direction

As explained in >>93859465

I mean, I get it if Disney wants to update the characters a bit to appeal to contemporary tastes instead of 1970s tastes.

>>93859353
Shit, seeing that image is a punch in the gut now.

We'll probably never see Gonzo and Rizzo play off each other again.

>>93836237
The blu-ray has a 12 minute longer extended cut that includes full versions of all the songs.

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>>93826110
Never has this pic been any more appropriate.

>>93826446
This is an out right lie

>>93826235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Le4sGUeXTk

>>93860683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck5Q9_iCop4

>>93849076

That thirsty red head. Fuck yeah.

>>93851657

I had a half a year fling with a lesbian. We kept it quiet because she didn't want any of her lesbian friends to find out and ruin her street cred or whatever and I respected her wishes.

>>93860683
You will. But it will be between whatever voice actors Disney can get for cheap, and the writing will be bad.

>>93861207
I wouldn't be suprised if Rizzo fades to the background without Steve. Rizzo's his creation and the Mouse doesn't seem that keen on the rat anyway.

Pretty sure they like Pepe more than him.

>>93846729
Yeah, I don't think anyone really likes the guy other than a few /pol/ tards and some really hardcore "home improvement" fans.

>>93845701
That sounds fucking amazing! Crazy experimental shit like this is what made the Muppets great. I agree with Frank when he says that the modern Muppet movies are "too safe." Disney doesn't want to try anything too out-there with the Muppets and just wants to appeal to the widest demographic possible.

>>93851796
We haven't seen Dave Goelz or Bill Barretta since October either. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney is chucking all of the performers who still have ties to what the Muppets used to be.

>>93861604
So is like Nu PPG replacing the voice actors. They want to start from a clean slate.

>>93861749
Well if that were the case, why keep Vogel or Jacobson on when they too could be replaced easilly?

>>93861826
They're young

Sides, they're probably going to bring in weird young performers who sound like shit

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>>93851796
>Gonzo was the one who always felt he was alone in the universe
>David Goelz is now the only one left of his friends

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>>93859353
Whoever does the voice for Arlo sounds identical and has the mannerisms down pat

He'd be a good Gonzo

>>93862070
Vogel is hardly that much younger than Whitmire

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>>93861207
>>93861310

>>93861310
It's all about the merchandise. If the rat sells, he stays. That's it.

>>93862706
Vogel started working with the Muppets in 1996 and didn't become a key performer until 2008. Whitmire on the other hand joined the Muppets in 1978 and was a key performer by 1980.

>>93862070
Not by much though, both are in their early-mid 40s.

>>93842841
Episode 8 will be a clusterfuck. Still will make gazillions on the box office. And I still wont' watch it because TFA ruined the franchise for me.

>>93826110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adDgaBZFdTM

why the fuck did this thread have a bunch of trump supporters suddenly bringing up Tim Allen's awful show

it wasn't highly rated and after it was cancelled the country music channel had an option to pick it up, but didn't

but yeah it's a liberal conspiracy

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>>93860008
Probably not wrong, tbph, that nepotism is a helluva thing.

>>93861310
Guess they feel awkward about making Rizzo a pizza place at Disney World now

>>93860629
Hate /pol/ as you may, but /pol/ is never wrong

>>93864361
This is a muppet thread about Steve Whitmere, who the fuck cares.

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>>93859710
>it got a lot of mixed reviews

>>93862724
>>93864334
I retract my statement and am a little more hopefull now.

That said yeah, sheesh! Fire the guy then create a resturant staring a character he created.

Surely Disney has got to have a good reason? Or have they just decided to embrace their Evil Corporate image and to hell with it?

>>93842841
>>93845637
But JJ is producing TLJ. TFA is garbage and TLJ might suck too.

>>93833759
Jesus is as communist as you can get, man. And I say this as an alt-righter. A very disappointed alt-righter....

>>93830087
>It wasn't until Steve Whitmire apologized in character as Kermit the Frog that Trejo broke down crying.

Jesus Christ, I have no idea what to think of that.

>>93860629
Could we go back to calling each others summerfags please?
You blame that shitposting on /pol/, /pol/'s gonna blame it on newcomers from reddit. Meanwhile we both know it's the work of a person who's clearly too young to comprehend memes properly.