>/co/ can draw better than a fucking professional Marvel artist

>>93792734
attractive people are too triggering.

That's not hard.

The big thing no one gets is can you draw good enough, tell a story and be fast.

Erica Henderson is maybe one of these, but she had North to carry her in.

>>93792734
Now that Milana Vayntrub has been cast I hope synergy takes hold.

Drawing someone prettier doesn't make you a better artist.

>>93792734
she does it on purpose to spite waifufags, because her book is aimed at little kids and they don't give a shit how ugly anything is

>>93792734
This reminds me of the Moon Over June edits for some reason.

>>93792869
one on the right isn't even that pretty, just doesn't have a prolapsed anus for a mouth.

>>93792869
Making an aesthetically better drawing makes you a better artist and that's what /co/ did.

>>93793105
>aesthetically better
What are even the criteria for this?

>>93793132
It makes his dick wiggle? He's talking complete horseshit, so it could be literally fucking anything.

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>>93793132
Things like actually drawing an established character somewhat on-model. SG's solo is the only book where she looks like a fat fuck.

>>93792734
honestly apples and oranges.. where is the environment?

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>>93792869
>I rather look at ugly things then pretty things
Baka

>>93792734
I think the original is cute.

>>93792734
>single drawing
>only real change to the head and gave her breasts, minor extra details
>no background
>done at own leisure

>>93793205
But comic book characters have multitudes of constantly changing artists and redesigns every year? Saying the SQ in the OP is "off-model" is stupid when the model changes all the goddamn time
I mean, the SQ on the left looks like fucking shit, but it's still very clearly Squirrel Girl. It really sounds like you don't actually know how to criticize the OP's SQ without just saying it looks disgusting.

>>93792734
Also, the OP's SQ looks like ass too. Maybe not as ass as the one on the left, but it's still pretty fucking bad and not actually a better drawing on virtue of being less ugly.

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>>93792869
>making food tastier doesn't make you a better chef.

>>93793307
>Making food that looks prettier doesnt make you a better chef

>>93792734
>>>/pol/

fuck off there and die please, thanks.

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>>93793330
I fucking got you for this one, anon.

>>93792734
Like omg don't you, like, know that's like totally sexist!

>>93793366
>that'll be 800 dollars, plus tip

>>93793205
Is part of her suit actually made of real animal fur and leather lol?
How many squires had to be scarified to make that jump suit xD

>>93792734
Why is there hair on her chest

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>>93793278
>But comic book characters have multitudes of constantly changing artists and redesigns every year?

No. There is an established current look and every artist must do their best to adhere to said look with their style. Captain America is always going to look like a fit military man unless there is an arc that specifically makes him into anything otherwise.

Again, SG's solo is the only book where Doreen is a fat fuck.Doreen does not look anything like the left OP picture in canon. You can't defend this.

>>93793354
How is this in any way /pol/?

>>93793366
That's all very nice, but I ordered a blue steak.

>>93793366
what the fuck is the point of that? you can't eat a table.

>>93793307
>le irrelevant food analogy

>>>/v/

>>93793205
Especially noticeable when she appears in other books and is drawn on model

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>>93793406
I don't know man, I think you're getting the style being so radically different from the others before it confused with being off-model. SQ in the pic isn't particularly fat all. I mean, she's no stick, but she ain't made of meat either.
Like I said earlier, aside from the style being fucking ugly as shit, it looks like SQ all the same.

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>>93792734
FUCK OFF SHE'S NOT YOUR FAP FODDER SHITLORD

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>>93793434
>blue steak

you people need to disappear into an endless void of pain

>>93793501
Her eyes are also floating off her face, and horribly skewed.

>>93793366
It looks more like a sacrificial array for summoning some kind of pretentious food devil.

>>93793229
>arguing about pretty things
>posts disgusting weeb art
I'm all for good looking art but you're really not making a good case here.

>>93793434
>blue
how is it? I've been too scared to try anything above medium rare

>>93793354
go back to killing yourself with hormone pills you fucking tranny

>>93792734
Twitter and Reddit like the "professional " one, and who cares about squirrelgirl, isn't like somebody is reading that thing

>>93793105
Technically speaking, the original is better drawn. Also art has other purposes beyond aesthetics, in illustration it's mostly about communication. For comics you're communicating the story and plenty of great artists are terrible storytellers...

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>>93793501
Artists all have different styles but they still have to draw the character on-model to keep consistency. Does Henderson's SG look anything like the established character? Does it? Stop defending this shitty art.

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>>93792869
There's nothing wrong with a woman being a sex object. The fact you have a problem with women being sex objects is a problem though.

>>93793603
>the original is better drawn.
>Not even remotely on-model

No.

>>93793603
Still, at some point ugly art is just too distracting and unpleasant to look at no matter how well it conveys the situation. Balance is always the answer, though the amount of each component may vary, and this one has almost no aesthetic value.

Does Henderson post here? Because this faggot ITT is defending her shitty art pretty hard.

So why do all of Henderson's characters look like they have Down Syndrome?

>>93793642
Take a look at her left leg in the edit.

>>93793662
theres a few literal faggots and weirdos that seem to defend any female creator. Despite the fact that almost all of them are shit. And regardless of if the one being discussed is shit or not.

>>93793703
Look at her entire face and body in the original.

>>93793618
My favorite Doreen is the New Avengers version where her teeth are as long as her fingers. Is that off model?

>>93793694
It's a "quirky" art style. I'm all for different art styles, but the artists with obviously shit ones really shouldn't be getting work.

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>>93792869
I don't get the point you're trying to raise here. Drawing something prettier doesn't make you a better artist but neither does drawing things uglier make you a better artist. Beauty and ugliness has nothing to do objectively with an artists skill.

>>93793741
Only the teeth are. They need to be smaller.

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>>93793618
> Does Henderson's SG look anything like the established character?
Yes, it does. You can complain all you want, but Henderson's SQ 100% is recognizable as SG. It's ugly as fucking sin, but it's Squirrel Girl.

>>93793642
Again, you for some reason keep getting style confused with being off-model, and it just isn't. Henderson's SG looks like piece of shit, but she looks like that consistently through the story. Their's now wildly varying sizes, or different shapes and frames of her body and limbs.

I'm not particularly enjoying defending a comic and character I've never read or cared about, but you really need to learn that your complaints aren't very well-sounded at all.

>>93793662
I hate being put in the position of defending her in any way but some of the complaints are just retarded. The art's shit because it's shit, not because it's "off model" which is the stupidest fucking thing I've seen anyone say all week.

>>93793803
People need to come up with stupid justifications even though the simplest one is enough.

>>93793694
it's the eyes man. they all have this dead look in their eyes because they all have incredibly tiny pupils with no iris or anything to fill the white space and it makes them all look like psychopaths. not to mention the fact that she clearly has no idea how to draw visually appealing mouths.

>>93793366
I waited that whole video for the "reveal" of what the hell they were making

>>93793855
Were you satisfied? Because I still don't know what the fuck they were making. They made all that chocolate shit, but at the end it looked like they dropped fucking meat onto it, or some really weird looking cake.

>>93793788
Your reasoning is literally
>This is how Henderson draws her so that's what on-model is now

>>93793788
1. Doreen hasn't looked like your pic related in years

2. If you took away the costume you wouldn't even recognize Henderson's Squirrel Girl

3.You are the one confusing style and things being off model. How many fucking times must I tell you Henderon's SG is the only time where she looks fat and has down syndrome. I bet you if I lined up all the current SG's, Henderson's would be the odd man out.

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>>93792869

/co/ does definitely obsess over the girls being "cute" witch can be obnoxious as hell, but defending Henderson probably isn't the cross you want to die on.

If all your characters are ugly then it's not a character's design, it's your art.

>>93793439
Why do people on 4chan hate food analogies? Is it because they're the simplest to understand shit in the world and actually makes them realize how retarded they are?

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>>93793906
You really don't know what on-model is, do you? Pic related is off-model, and that's basically SU has a very distinct style, and because it's a serialized TV show it's meant to be consistent in that style, save for a few special occasions, like Garnet's World. Now, while pic related keeps with that style, Connie's head is massively oversized to the point of ridiculousness. This is off-model because the show has specific height, size, and shape graphs and concept art that characters are supposed to adhere too. This Connie doesn't do that. It breaks the mold of said "models" and is thus "off-model". Henderson's art, while as I said FUCKING UGLY AS SHIT. Doesn't break that rule because new models, were specifically made in her style for her series since she was using both SG and many other Marvel based characters.
Comics may have a uniform "design set" for specific characters, but the various stylizations are up to the artist, no matter how repugnant they may be.

>>93793947
>2. If you took away the costume you wouldn't even recognize Henderson's Squirrel Girl
You could say that for damn near any B-List hero. That's kind of why Superheroes wear costumes, too, so they'd be easily recognizable, both in universe and in real life.

>3.You are the one confusing style and things being off model. How many fucking times must I tell you Henderon's SG is the only time where she looks fat and has down syndrome. I bet you if I lined up all the current SG's, Henderson's would be the odd man out.
You really don't know what off-model is, alright. Also, no shit she'd look like the odd-man out. Henderson has a fucking ugly ass, albeit unique, art style. The only way she wouldn't be the only one noticeably different is if someone intentionally copied her style.

>>93793434
>blue
I fucking threw up in my mouth.

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>>93794220
>Trying to change the defition of off/on-model to help is shilling

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>>93794066
>but defending Henderson probably isn't the cross you want to die on.
I just wanted to make some cheeseburgers, but now I'm stuck in an internet argument with some guy who can't tell the difference between gross looking art and on/off-model shit over a comic that I never read and a character I never gave a shit about
I don't even read or like Marvel.

>>93794220
You're a, actual troll an actual autist.

Agreeing that Henderson's art is garbage doesn't change the fact that she draws not just squirrel girl but ever character off model. Doing it because it's "her style" doesn't change that fact.

For further proof her same shitty style is used for archie where she draws characters on model.

>>93793366
Ah yes. I remember my culinary thaumaturgy class very well.

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>>93793640
>I'm a geek
>I don't like video games
>video game players just need to get laid
>Lara Croft: The Cinematic "Remaster" was great
>Lara Croft "I sob and scream in every scene" was a great character

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>>93793205
Here's how she's been established to look on-model.

Fuck off.

>>93794340
if you were to insert her shitty, disgusting drawings of squirrel girl in any of her other appearances, yes, it would be off-model and out of place. but in her comics, it's not off-model. it follows the guidelines that she set for her comics. not anyone else's, but hers. in the self-contained world that this bitch who can't draw for shit has created, it's on-model. if she drew it differently within these comics, it would be off-model because it would be breaking the pre-established design guidelines that she set. i don't know why this fucking concept escapes you.

>>93794454

Yeah, just look at that on-model and still totally relevant today Iron Man

This surely justifies drawing Squirrel Girl to look like a transexual

>>93794340
You can't use on and off model for non-animation art dude. Every person that draws a character in comics isn't drawing 'on model' because they're not trying to make the character consistent for animation.

Her art is just ugly. The character design is fine.

>>93794412
>I'm a geek
>I don't like video games

Just being you like sci-fi doesn't mean you like star wars, doctor who, star trek.

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>>93794340
You know what, fine, you win, it's off-model. I'm fucking hungry and can't be arsed to argue with a brick wall anymore when I could be cooking lunch.

>>93794454
>>93794487
Just give it up, he's more hard headed than a sack of hammers.

>>93793640
It's a problem when a female character is nothing more than a sex object, because that's just primitive pandering.

>>93794554
but anything is a sex object if you tried hard enough

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>>93794454
Filtered through the lens of Ditko she's pretty.

>>93794554
Depends on the context. If it's the whole premise of a comic then I see nothing wrong with it. But doing that in a comic that tries to be serious just shows lack of professionalism and takes people out of the story.

>>93792734
I still don't get how people see Squirrel Girl as "plus size".

She can fucking jump from tree to tree.

>>93792734
The one on the left is done by a Marvel artist, it looks like a retard trying to make a shitty Archie character.

>>93792734
Why are sexy females considered bad character design?
Isn't the point of female characters to bring out their femininity?

>>93794487
I gave you a very specific example of that not being fucking true faggot. As with a plethora of examples others have posted above.

>>93794509
you're arguing with like 6 people faggot. You sound insane.

>>93793640
Sex object is different from being sexy.
Have some standards.

>>93794760
They aren't though, at least not among normal people. Now, characters that have boring designs that have nothing going for them besides being sexy are not good designs, they are appealing to a lot of people but there's a difference. And the point of female characters is whatever the author or artist decides is, which in this case is apparently being ugly as fuck.

I think the problem with Squirrel Girl is pretty fundamental. Humans are hard programmed to recognize faces, and if you draw your faces wrong, EVERYONE notices. It is universally the quickest fuck-up people will catch.

The Squirrel Girl draws faces on peoples' foreheads and rarely puts anything in the right place. The Hulk looks like a grandmother because there's too many lines and his cheek bones are really pronounces. The faces are a mess. It's art 101. It has nothing to do with being on model, or feminism, or anything else. If you consistently fuck up the faces, you've consistently fucked up the whole entire comic.

>female character doesn't look like a bland background character
>or look and/or behave like a man
>instead, plays on feminine charm
>idiots rush to show their virtue by condemning her

This is why post-1950s western society sucks at writing women: Both feminists and Christian fundamentalists hate celebrations of femininity, both in character and in form, which dooms female characters to never make full use of their natural charms in the ways that the male characters are allowed to. I don't think that women are happier for their current roadmap, either. The modern woman is paranoid, stressed, confused, and lonely, and it has a lot to do with these voices constantly telling them that they need to be something that they're not: men. The idea that women who do not try to be men are inferior and should be ashamed is a feminist message.

I think that a return to sexy, feminine women who know who they are would do wonders for the morale of society.

>>93792734
>>/co/ can draw better than a fucking professional triple eisner nominated Marvel artist
Fixed that for you

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When Marverl Vs Capcom 3 was going to get out.
I hope for Squirrel Girl to be in the game.
With this new Squirrel Girl and the new MVCI....
Putting her in the game would be a huge terrifying mistake....

>>93794822

Just because you think you've made your point doesn't mean you have, but >>93794509
is right. You're quite retarded.

>>93793435
get this fucking quitter talk off my board

>>93794890
Who are you parodying there?

>>93792734
There is no marvel as you think anymore
All that's left of it is a marketing team that makes all creative decitions and a team of executives
They don't have any editors and just grab terrible artists and writers out of Tumblr with a model of flooding the market with their awful produce to sell as much as they can before Disney eats them and comics just become movie merchandise
There is no marvel, there is no disctintion between marvel and Tumblr, they are the same people doing the same stuff, any regular Tumblr random can make the next marvel comic, any marvel comic writer can go back to being a Tumblr random that's it, they are selling you the same shit you read for free there

>>93794925
I want The Blob to leave

>>93794911
It's not my point. That's the thing. Several fucking people made the very same point.

The only thing he, maybe you, refuted with was "it can't be off-model because that's a cartoon thing". Which is fucking bullshit. There are model sheets for every fucking character.

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>>93793566
RAAAAAHHHH!!! I HAVE AWAKENED!!
>Cooking meat until its an unnatural brown all they way through
>Not caring about AESTHETIC
>Eating processed foods
Come. Come and be enlightened my ignorant children. Many things need to be corrected.

>>93794974
The fact you see this as a joke only further strengthens how far American society has fallen.

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>>93793741
Same, buck teeth make my dick hard for some reason despite the idea of grinding.

>>93792734
One pic but can that Anon draw action? Can he draw emotions? Does he have same face problems? Could he draw full comics and have them finished on time? Can he draw backgrounds? Basing his skill on one pic is worthless.

>>93795082
>Can he draw emotions?
he captured a sense of smugness on squirrel girl that's appropriate for the situation at hand more so than the original's thousand yard stare. also, if i really fucking wanted i could draw a series of stick figures very quickly and shit out an issue a day, does that make me the best comic artist in the world? why choose speed of release over art quality when there's artists who can do both?

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At least the probably shitty tv show went with a smart move of casting someone that's actually good looking to play her

>>93794890
>>93795062
masterful.

>>93792734
Pfft, you should see the porn artists' pics.

>>93795043
But artists don't draw in the same style and comic characters get redesigned all the time.

What is the argument you're making that is wrong here? That you don't like her costume? That she should go back to the kirby mime make-up?

Henderson's design is what people have been using for her for several years. By that merit she's the 'model.'

But her style is still ugly. Other people draw it well.

>>93795138
>One on the right has, even more, souless eyes with those giant, empty, black pupils.

>>93795176
i'll take large blank eyes over tiny blank eyes any fucking day of the week. that's much easier to interpret as a stylistic choice than what i can only describe as intentional ugliness.

>>93795169
See the thing is you keep saying the same stupid bullshit but you don't post one of those other people who draw it well. because if you did your point would be proven wrong when we note the character's immediate loss of weight.

This wouldn't be so shocking if I wasn't convinced you actually believe you have a foot to stand on here.

>>93795138
That smugness is one emotion how do we know if the artist can do anymore that's the point. You can measure an artist's skill with speed if they have a time limit and they shit out a properly drawn comic and you shit out stick figures

>>93793660
I disagree with the notion that aesthetics is the sole measure for quality, in the context of comics storytelling is far more important. If someone makes bad drawings, who cares? You're not going to buy it anyway and if they had a better artist available, then they would've gotten the job. While I can be frustrated with someones craftsmanship, I still respect them for their hard work and output. I know far too many talented artists who do absolutely nothing with their skills and too many beginners whose bad drawings are just a step towards doing great work. I've seen plenty of great stories told with art that's simple or flawed...

I actually have the skills to do better drawings than them, but that doesn't count for much. What gets you hired is being proactive and producing your own works, what keeps them coming back is meeting deadlines. I've spent many years failing at both so clearly as ugly as squirrel girl might be, they're still a better illustrator than me.

BUT

IT'S

HER

STYLE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>93795237
>implying henderson's garbage is properly drawn
i'd prefer stick figures honestly

>>93794890
Amazing bait

>>93795250
>with no actual arguments, the moron resorts to his final defense mechanism, shitposting.

>>93795229
But OPs pic only got thinner in the face. Is that your only problem?

>>93795292
>responding to the shit poster instead of the person that responded to you

>>93795240
I said that aesthetic isn't the only thing that matters, but you need a bit of it or people just won't want to look at the story. Good comic art is art that manages to balance looking good with expressiveness, while being simple enough to draw fast. This is easy to draw and arguably expressive, so it has 2 out of 3 components. It doesn't have the 3rd one in any capacity therefore it's not good.
> if they had a better artist available, then they would've gotten the job
That is not how this works.

>>93795250
she has no style
she has no grace
this squirrel has an abortion for a face

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>>93795318
>Implying I'm even in the argument at all and not watching the retard bounce his head onto the keyboard

>>93795292
>thinks narration-style greentext makes him clever and witty
white knight genderbenderson harder, faggot

>>93792734
>There are people here defending Henderson's SG
I knew I had no reason to believe /co/ had standards

If this person actually starts illustrating for the Squirrel Girl comic, I would love them forever. Squirrel Girl deserves far better.

Who was the artist that used to make Squirrel Girl? I barely remember anything but I do remember the art was actually cute, looked a little like Bee & Puppycat, for example.

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>>93795392
>the art was actually cute, looked a little like Bee & Puppycat, for example.

>Feminists insist that they're comfortable as fat uggos
>They try to change all women in media into fat uggos to feel less insecure

Hmm...really makes me think.

>>93794554

are you a gay canadian?

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>>93795333
>watching the retard bounce his head onto the keyboard
That gave me a real kekel for a shekel m8

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>people think squirrel girl's art was any good before this
my face when

>>93795417
I mean the pilot. We don't talk about the actual series around here.

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>>93793245
Then you are lost.

>>93792734
None, one anon on /co/ can draw better than one Marvlr artist. Most people on this board are creatively bankrupt and artistically incompetent.

>>93793366

this is pure kino food. Only pederasts could realize its true potential.

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>>93793366
FUCK ME

>>93793366
How are you meant to eat this

>>93795229
i think you are confusing "weight" for the fact that Henderson refuses to draw a feminine shape. It looks fat and manly BECAUSE it doesnt look female. Its a conscious decision by the artist to make it as potato as possible. The fact that you can add a few curves and put the facial features back in the right places and it looks good means its just hideously styled

>>93795319
It is, the reality is most anons here wouldn't stand a chance purely because their portfolios would be devoid of finished comics that can compete at the same calibre, myself included. They might draw well, but unless they produce complete polished works well in advance they're not going to be on anyone's radar. They're going to get ignored for having no audience, no connections, no portfolio and no experience. All of which is easily attainable if they just sit down and make something worth a damn.

>>93793366
>The chocolate spill turned into a perfect square

How is that even possible?

>>93792734

They make her ugly on purpose. Also why is her face so fat when the waist is that small?

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>>93795392
This?

>>93795587
gurihiru is a shitlord who draws art that replicates pedocentric patriarchal Japanese trash, which makes them nothing more than misogynist male-pandering filth. his art has no place in modern, progressive and inclusionist comics that marvel makes for people that live in 2017.

>>93792734
Those legs look like shit desu

>>93795642
>is a
>replicates ...japanese trash
>his

well since you seem to know nothing about the topic your opinion hits the trash bin.

2/10, got a response

>>93792734
>Line quality is trash
>coloring outside the lines
>Internet artist who can only draw the character, not the rest of the scene

I don't even read this shit but c'mon.

>>93795705
Poe's law is a bitch, nigga.

>>93795738
the linework on the original is sloppy too. you can see the line on her leg bleeding into her right leg. also on her belt you can see the yellow of her belt bleed into the her outfit.

>>93795793
>The original is sloppy
>Doesn't matter if mine is too

What exactly makes the remake good if it's not improving the flaws of the original?

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>>93795861
>if it's not improving the flaws of the original?

>HOW DARE THEY DRAW THIS CHARACTER UGLY, EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO BE THIS WAY
>HOW DARE THEY DRAW THIS CHARACTER IN A DIFFERENT RACE, WHEN HE WAS WHITE BEFORE

really makes my bumbo wumbos

>>93794454
Yeah because her character look didn't change since her then. Because fucking Iron Man still looks like that.

Fuck you Henderson.

Joining thread late, why does Squirrel Girl look like she got stung by a swarm of bees all over her face? This does not make me want to buy her comic.

>>93795861
i'm saying while they're both amateur, one is more aesthetically pleasing than the other. pro tip: it's the one that doesn't look like a downie.

>>93795082
Henderson can't do any of those things so whats your point?

>>93795347
It's just like 5 obvious Marvel interns(one probably being Henderson herself) doing it. Funny thing is it's ALWAYS Henderson that is being so vehemently defended. If I took a shit on Sara Pinchelli's art(not that I ever would) the thread would just become constructive criticism on her work. Take a shit on Henderson and the Marvel interns rush to her aid.

>>93795456
Still better than Henderson

>>93795475
Yet OP's image exist.

>>93792734
Isn't she supposed to be ugly though? Show me a group shot from this artist.

>>93795705
He's being sarcastic.

>>93795570
A person like Billie Kent from Boardwalk Empire with fat chipmunk cheeks and thin body would have been something that makes sense. This way it looks like they removed her ribs and made her wear a corset.

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>>93796098
>inb4 THIS PROVES NOTHING SHITLORD

>>93795563
Most impressive part of the whole show

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>>93796098
Look at this shit. This is the state of Marvel. I can't believe they make their interns defend this.

>>93796104
honestly wasnt sure if it was sarcasm or "only pretending to be retarded"
I flipped a coin

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>>93796098

>>93796130
>>93796176
>They actually pay people to draw this shit

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>>93793531
TOO LATE!

>>93796115
meg steedle moved my needle

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>>93796130
I can't be the only one who saw this.

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>>93792787

THIS.

The holy trinity of creative work is fast, reliable, and personable.

If you lack more than one of them, it doesn't matter how talented you are because you don't fit into an office environment.

Slow but you always deliver and take criticism and dont cause shit? Good employee.

Fast and easy to get along with but sometimes mess up a project? You can deal with your own mistakes by reworking, and everyone is inclined to forgive you. Good employee.

Cause lots of drama but get all your shit done and ahead of time so you can fix problems? Tough shit for the office, but good employee at the end of the day.

Cause shit and don't deliver on time? Cause shit and mess up? Don't deliver and hold everything up? etc etc etc. Shit employee.

>>93796176
WTF did they do to poor Melissa

>>93796399
nice reddit spacing, even if you make good points

>>93793588
Slow process, started with ordering medium and just got rarer over time. I never do it at a restaurant tho, always at home. Some places won't do it and there is the possibility they do it wrong.
>Its great.

>>93796130
This one look like a parody...
But sadly this was made unironically...

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>>93796742
>Implying you aren't the real redditor

>>93796742

I've been here since the first season of Rozen Maiden

>>93796302
fuckin saved

>>93795972

But she can. Don't be obtuse

>>93796050

If I took a shit on Sara Pinchelli's art(not that I ever would) the thread would just become constructive criticism on her work.

No it fucking wouldn't. Most of /co/ doesn't give a fuck about sequential art or likes to discuss it. For many here, art is bad if the girls aren't cute.

That's it, /co/ wants cute girls or boys, Henderson doesn't give us cute girls or boys.

>>93794554
>Refuses to look past a character's sexual characteristics to see the greater whole
>B-BUT SHE'S ONLY A SEX OBJECT!

>>93794828
What are the differences then?

I mean, if you recognize that there are people that aren't aware of what's wrong with what you're talking about, then surely you can deduce that you'll need to explain the logic behind your view, rather than just state it, then tell them to have standards.

>>93797071
>That's it, /co/ wants cute girls or boys

Explain Stokoe.

I honestly don't mind this squirrel girl, I don't have to read it, and I don't have to spent money on it.

I just wish a version done by Gurihiru exist, because I would actually spend money on it. I will by the flops, then trades, and I'll buy the dvd and blue ray and the art books too.

>>93792869
The fact that she isn't "pretty" isn't the problem, the part is that she and the art look like crap

>>93796130
Ok then I was wrong. It's not just that she is meant to be ugly.

The rest are ugly in a different way so there may be something to the supposed to be ugly but I can't defend this art.

>>93792869
All her chaarcters are ugly, her reasoning was "because I DON'T think Squirel girl is attractive" despite years of comics showing the opposite. Then she mad the rest of the cast ugly, including Carol, who has never been an ugly sow.

>>93793366
>food brick ruins everything
and it was just getting good

>>93796176
he all have the same ugly face. It's like Dillon Fronk face, but ADVANCED.

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The measure of a person is attractiveness.

It's the difference between a tranny that can pass "Oh wow, that's hot", and a common tranny "Shit. Transgenders are a fucking disgrace."

It's the difference between creepy stalker and passionate lover-to-be.

It's the difference between the comic relief and the main character.

If it's not pretty, you've failed as a person.

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Why do the Marvel shills ITT think we just want an attractive SG? We do but the real problem is Henderson's art being ass.

We complain about bulldyke Nu-Carol but we never say anything about the art because the artist for her books are fine.

Henderson makes shitty art on top of making a fat downs looking Doreen.

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she CAN draw (sorta)
she CAN put facial features in the correct places

she CHOOSES not to

>>93796742
Good formatting isn't "reddit spacing".

>>93797827
That's absolutely not good formatting, redditor.

>>93797827
>a paragraph per sentence
>good formatting
Only if you're a fucking retard

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>>93797795
>Where did my muscles go?

Are muscles toxic masculinity?

>>93797904
quite possibly.
I only used that one to show that she does know basic anatomy and ignores it for SG.

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>>93797795
>people still defend EH with the CHOOSES NOT TO fallacy

>>93797962
you assume "chooses not to" is a defence.
it isnt.
It makes what she does and the fact that she is paid for it worse......

>>93797569
I honestly like the idea of squirrel girl being an ugly fuck.
Shame she does the same to every other character.

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>>93797795
>>93798026
The anatomy is trash in your "evidence".

Look at the left side of his body (Hercules' left):
See how much wider the left shoulder is? And the left forearm — why is it much longer that Hercules' right forearm? Why does his left elbow seem to jut out much farther and at a lower angle despite the fact that he is grasping the exact same place of his belt as his right arm? How come his left hand is much longer than his right hand? Why does it look like Hercules is leaning slightly to the right, even though he isn't? Why is his right knee higher than his right knee? Why is his left leg drawn perfectly straight (like his right leg) even thugh the perspective of the left leg implies it is further back? If this is the case, why is his left hip the same height as the right hip — shouldn't it be slightly closer to us? Why didn't she draw the right lower leg angled slightly forward to complete the perspective suggestion that the right side of his body is angled slightly more forward? None of the shading helps to imply this, either. You'd think that the left arm would be drawn slightly further back as well, but it's not. It's angled forward — if you refuse to accept that the anatomy in Hercules' left arm is painfully deformed — despite it not being angled forward. If his left arm is forward, which it isn't, and his right leg is angled forward, which it isn't, then his pose would look very odd indeed. My brain creates the image of effeminate catway strutting.

QED she is shit even when you think she isn't trying to be.

>>93797795
Her Baby's First Lovecraft book has great art.
But I guess having to meet a monthly deadline means shortcuts.

>>93797795
>she CAN put facial features in the correct places

Hiding them behind a beard and moustache does not count.

And that Hercules looks like Nikola Tesla with a beard and a hairy chest

>squirrel girl thread
This artist fucking ruined Squirrel Girl. You cannot talk about Squirrel Girl anymore without this hamplanet queen of uggos being brought up.

>>93798331
The reason it looks "good" is because her style lends itself well to shit that doesn't have to have good anatomy to look interesting, which is exactly what the book is. If you look closely at the weird creatures you can still see shitty perspective and poor anatomy, but it doesn't really matter since the creatures looks interesting enough if you don't dwell on them for too long.

>>93798452
Yeah, I suppose drawing shapeless eldritch horrors is her forte.

>>93792734
Maybe if your taste is totally fucking vanilla

>>93793366
Kek, I kept expecting them to cover it all with some weird large circular bread, flip it over and it turning into a pizza except sweet or something.

>>93792734

Squirrel girl is supposed to be goofy looking

>>93795064
Why doesn't she have hairy legs?

>>93793307
>making art that tastes better doesn't make you a better artist

>>93796399
>>93792787
There are many, many artists out there who can draw fast, well, and tell a story. Hell, many of them are storyboard artists working at studios. But artists like Kate Leth and Natasha Allegri get hired for recognizability more than anything else. And let's be real, their followings are not big enough that it's actually worth sacrificing art and story for just the ability to deliver on time.

>>93793434
Is that something like blue waffles?

>>93798766
no, you are just a food pleb

>>93798909
I wasn't talking about food.

>>93798918
But that anon was, hence why you are being called a food pleb.

>>93797795
Pretty good. Should maybe be slightly more muscular

>>93798669
Because, like most normal women, she shaves.

>>93793366
look at that hog in the background struggling to breathe

>>93797795
Simba, no!

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>>93795064
>expression doesn't match with what she says

>>93792869
if you only draw ugly shit I don't want to look at, how good it's drawn it doesn't fucking matter.

>>93798981
What's "normal" about that? Why doesn't she have stubble then?

>>93798766
Sear each side of the steak for 1-2 minutes, allow to rest for 5.

>>93793423
He's pretending it's about art quality, but it's really "ugly people shouldn't exist or be represented".

>>93794659
What the hell does plus size have to do with anything? Her body is the same shape in both drawings the only difference is the face and tits.

>>93799324
You have a serious complex, son. Perchance you are ugly?

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>>93797878
>doesn't know what a list is

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>>93799634
>formatting a post like that makes it a list

>>93799672
Listing things made it a list bruh

>>93799689
Listing things in a list makes it a list. You did no such thing.

>>93799748
I mean, you're half right. Not my post

t. random anon who saw a retard and swung

Why is marvel so shit

>>93799802
>swung and missed so hard his bat left his hands flew into the crowd, killing an old lady spectator
Good job, anon.

>>93797179
Or quitely.

>>93799891
Sorry about killing your girlfriend anon

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>>93796742
I fucking hate you people! What the hell is "Reddit Spacing"?!
Jesus' Dick just ignore things like that if it bothers you that much! I mean I could too but where the hell is this coming from? Is this the new meme?! Did I miss something?!

>>93797569
>>93798176

She doesn't actually make them ugly. She just draws ugly. Pretending it's supposed to look like that is something shit artists do. I mean, look at >>93797795

The nose is sideways, because drawing noses is clearly impossible. The detail is lacking, the eyes are "webcomic circa 2005", and you can tell just looking at it that those arms were supposed to be ending in fists at the waist, but didn't position correctly so FLUBJOB HANDS.

But that could be because he HAS NO WAIST OR HIPS. His legs end in his fucking abdomen. Ignore the fucking left arm of "what the fuck is going on with that forearm", or how his biceps merge directly into his pecs, his legs go directly into his stomach; THIS IS BASIC FUCKING ANATOMY. It's like forgetting about necks or shoulders or wrists.

Oh wait, this picture also forgets about shoulders and wrists.

This shit is objectively a failure. It shows the "well it's my STYLE" excuse in full swing.

>hurr durr just because she ugly doesn't mean it's shit

That's not the point, the real shit is Erica failing at creating a charming character design, if you get what I mean.

>>93799921
It's ok, sonny. I know that accidents happen, and have the wisdom to understand when a retard does something retarded he isn't really responsible for it.

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>>93793307
You could draw two rough circles in charcoal and I'd fap to it, but I wouldn't fap to this.

>>93799959
>and have the wisdom to understand when a retard does something retarded he isn't really responsible for it.
You right. Sorry I lashed at out you. It's not your fault.

>So many smut artists on 4chan
>almost 95% of them fucking suck at construction and background drawing

that's pretty much the difference between amateur and pro.

>>93793640
Females are not your fuck toys you freak

>>93799990
>literally NO U
Epic
>>93800023
No, the difference between an amateur and a pro is that the pro gets paid and does it for a living. An amateur does it piecemeal and will earn sporadic payments that supplement his main stream of income which will not be related to the supplementary income in any way.

>>93798352
their placement is far more accurate than >>93796176

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>>93793330
Presentation is an essential part of cooking.

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>>93796742
>reddit spacing
Spend a lot of time on the Reddit, eh? Have you come out to your family and friends yet, or do you just suck cock and keep your faggotry hidden?

>some people actually defending this terrifying tumblrfest
Nice one.
The reason why those people get a job in the first place because they are willing to work a pack of peanuts. This is like cheapest artists in the world and this is what you get for such money.

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>>93797960
Refer to >>93799943

Clearly basic anatomy is NOT something that is even loosely grasped. Shoulders, waist, hips, wrists, hell even ankles, all completely glazed over.

Herc is lucky he has a fucking neck and knees, limb connection and proportion is a total fuckin' mystery here.

Look at this shit: either his dick starts directly under his belt buckle, or his thighs literally fucking end at that cloth.

>>93800072
A broken clock is right twice a day.

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>>93800140
>work a pack of peanuts.
I can really work a pack of peanuts myself. That's not a euphemism, I can open those stubborn little foil bags without dropping a single peanut.

>>93800175
That pic looks like character art seen in the instruction manual of a Christian video game.

>>93792734
this is like Mass Effect Andromeda

>>93799082
alopecia?

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>>93792869
She has a concave chest and lip cancer?

>>93793105
>that's what /co/ did
No, that's what one anon did. Stop making this place seem like it actually has talent.

>>93796302
All the shit art was worth it for this.

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>Girls are so fragile and narcissistic that they feel threatened by an attractive looking drawing.
>Marvel hires an artist to draw Ugo looking girl protagonist so they can target a book exclusively at women.

It's all so tragically funny.

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>>93792904
Is there someone who redraws Moon Over June to be non-ugly?

...link plz?

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>>93800382
The best part?

NOBODY FUCKING BOUGHT IT

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>>93796141
>>93796130

DESU, the first comic I read was aimed at kids too like this book is supposed to be and the art was just as bad. I didn't care though. The artist at least tried to do interesting panels and pay attention to the flow, even if they did mess up in retrospect.

I'm not defending Henderson, I'm just saying maybe Marvel knows kids don't have taste. The shitty think about Henderson is she doesn't know how to make comics. Even if her style was good her story telling is bad. Her paneling is bad. North writes too fucking many words and/or Henderson never plans ahead for the balloons.

>>93799634
It's not your post that's for sure. Write proper paragraphs faggot.

>>93798295
fuck men i can´t unsee it

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>>93797795
>Hand attached to Wrist...
I don't care how '' muh style '' your drawings are, that shit is fucking amateur hour.

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>>93794454
>A character that doesn't appear exactly the same as they did 25 years ago means they don't have an established design

I guess you'd have no problem with a Batman looking like this?

>>93799082
What's normal about wiping your ass?

>>93799082
Probably because it's a common artistic practice to omit the more ugly features of the body. Like the Japanese omit most of the features of the nose, save for one shade, because the nose is an ugly human feature.

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>>93799324
Well they shouldn't. I don't want to see ugly people, it's why I avoid mirrors.

>>93798295
>My brain creates the image of effeminate catway strutting
Oh fuck

>>93794454
>One panel she looked kinda janky but not too out of place in that era of comics
>Gives an excuse to make her look like her face is all bloated like shes suffering from allergy, cut from a large potato, or looks like Bobby hill
>Almost every other artist that has drawn "her" squirrel girl has looked better and very passable
>Nobody seems to bitch about them and actually like it
>"It's almost like people don't like shitty art or something"

>>93794220
>SU is a show that's supposed to be consistent in style

Except the Art and Origins book that just came out says literally the opposite thing--that Sugar made the character designs simpler so that boarders could mold them to their unique styles.

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>>93800434
Where as Henderson does such garbage things as leave no room for the lettered and leaves the goddamn bleed instructions right on the paper.

>>93800517
an instinctive need to prevent unecessary personal and communal infection by maintaining good personal hygiene? you dumb cunt. people were keeping themselves clean long before they shaved.

>>93800624
jesus truly no fucks are given

>>93800023
Rob Liefeld is a pro.

>>93800045
Some women want to be that, though. If you go onto a site like Fetlife, you will find a good number of women that want to be fuck toys. That want to be used. And there is nothing wrong with that. People want what they want. I admit these women are unicorns and there are only so many to go around, but it is what is it.

>>93794828
For some people a woman that wants to be a sex object is sexy. It's like the bimbo fetish. There is an entire fetish sub-genre of women and men that want to be treated like sex objects, and as above, you can find them if you look.

>>93794554
And in a lot of cases they are much more then a sex object. In the game Dragon's Crown the sorceress and Amazon warrior are two major characters and hold their own in the game. They aren't just there to be sexy, they could just as easily be non-sexy and worth playing. They are worth playing and are sexy. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

>>93793603

The problem is you are dealing with art in a commercial form. Art done for a commercial purpose has to have an aesthetic appeal to it. And the "professional art" has barely any appeal to it other then "it's different!", which has proven it just doesn't sell. And that's the entire point of this. If it doesn't sell well enough to keep the books going out of anything other then spite, then it's a commercial failure.

You may like it, and that's perfectly fine. But when it's a small market, that market is called a niche market. Marvel isn't a niche comic book producer, they are a wide market comic comic book producer.

>>93800398
I second.

>>93799324
That isn't /pol/

>>93800624
Fuck this I'm out.

>>93800045
What do holes have to offer other than their holes? Nothing. They're fuck toys, nothing more.

>>93793406
>That Assaultron
What?

>>93800045
What right do you have to dictate what women are? Stop fucking oppressing them, scum.

>>93800382
>girls are so fragile and narcissistic
Wrong. You mean men are so fragile and mentally deranged with their disturbing sexually obsession towards the opposite sex (both fictional and real) that they get TRIGGERED at ugly female characters

I don't see anything wrong with increasing the amount of ugly female characters if most male characters are hideous or just plain BORING.

>>93800872
It's retarded as fuck because no male character is ever designed that way. If he is it is RARE. Or insecure faggots say it's "gay1!112434" if a man happens to be more than an average joe, generic chad, or a deformed creature. I mean a man with ACTUAL facial BEAUTY.

NO ONE WOULD CARE about FEMALE CHARACTERS BEING SEXUALIZED AND ESSENTIALLY BEING TREATED AS WAIFUS if male characters were treated THE SAME WAY

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>>93801070
Too bad your benis is so gross and useless it can't even be used inside a hole.

>>93801182
Is that seriously the best insult you can come up with, hole? Just stick to lying on your back and slurping jizz.

>>93800579
No you idiot, Squirrel Girl was always canon ugly. She's just drawn cute because artist don't care about the consistency.

>>93801156
Go back to tumblr, woman.

>>93801122
Seriously, I can't be the only one wondering why there's a Fallout robot chilling in a Marvel book, right?

>>93795642
What do you have against pedisexuals? Dont you know its the newest and hippest sexual orientation?

>>93801156
>You mean men are so fragile and mentally deranged with their disturbing sexually obsession towards the opposite sex (both fictional and real) that they get TRIGGERED at ugly female characters
The funny thing is, this is true. But men do not hide it. Men like sexy things and they are open about it. Women like sexy men but they insist on hiding it behind several layers of dupliticy and hidden meaning and vagueness because they cannot just be straight with anyone, least of all themselves. And because they can't be open about it but men can, they use this opportunity to pretend that they don't by acting like men are disgusting animals because men are true to their nature and honest about it.

Fuck off and erase your existence and the world will be better for it.

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>>93801156

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Oh man, with the live action announcement, I finally have a reason to post this shit again! Happy day.

http://imgur.com/a/9Wj5a

Now let's see if it actually works...

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>>93801353
>http://imgur.com/a/9Wj5a

>>93801353
That might be hot if it wasn't sperg-girl

>>93801156
But they are. Like it or not. True, not to the same extent, but they are treated that way. You've never been to an anime con, have you? The women there hyper sexualize males characters all the time. Look at Gundam Wing or any boy's love (Yaoi) manga and how women treat their husbandos. Just because it doesn't happen in American comics, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. To everyone their own fetish. And to everyone that gets butt hurt over other people not sharing their fetish, too damned bad.

>>93793694
Because artists draw what they know and put themselves into their art.

>>93801353
my love of balling sucking out ways my dislike of this S.G design

>>93801156
>Wrong. You mean men are so fragile and mentally deranged with their disturbing sexually obsession towards the opposite sex (both fictional and real) that they get TRIGGERED at ugly female characters

You mean the people they are attracted to? Wanting to be with and be very attracted to the opposite sex isn't a bad thing. It only becomes a bad thing when it becomes an obsession, which both genders and all sexual identities are not only capable of doing but have done and will continue to do so.

>>93801122
>>93801258
Looks more like Shriek from Batman Beyond to me.

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>>93800624
How are there people in this thread defending this shit. How does this shit keep on getting nominated for Eisners.

How. How. How.

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>Both simple
>Both stylized
>Both done hastily
>Similar compositions

But one looks like utter trash and the other is good. A GOOD artist could draw well even with a deadline. That's part of what adds to their skill. Most people who are good at something gradually get faster and faster at it until it's second nature.

Clearly the people commissioned to make these girl-based comics are not that level and the people upstairs don't give a shit enough to care about these franchises to hire competent people.

>>93793307

It doesn't.

You can make the most delicious meals in the world at home.

Now go plant your ass in the kitchen of a restaurant and try.

>>93800624

No, the bleed instructions are all North.

He's a webcomic writer and that is his alt text.

>>93794454
the fuck is going on with her face, shes tryna be a juggalette or something

>>93794066
>If all your characters are ugly then it's not a character's design, it's your art.
This. Argue about whether Squirrel Girl is "supposed" to be ugly if you want, but pretty much all of the characters Henderson draws are ugly.

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>>93795331

>>93795642
ok but "gurihiru" is a team of two japanese women. like literally nothing about your sentence is accurate.

>>93796176
her glare is horrifying.

>>93802035
which one of these is supposed to be the good one

>>93802651
:)

>>93794482
>literally a different suit of armor to the ones worn today
Is this really what you're going to try to use as a point?

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Guys, Squirrel Girl also appears in U.S.Avengers and is actually good in it? I miss Sandoval's art though.

>>93793640
>butterface
>overcompensated with "not like other grills" horseshit
Jej, every time.

>>93794890
nicely said anon

>>93794412
She's saying the people COMPLAINING need to get laid. She's DEFENDING dragon's crown and its sexy characters saying there's absolutely nothino wrong with having sexy scantily glad women in a videogame. She's on the same side as you are but you still shit on her because you can't even read.

You can be a geek without playing a ton of videogames, not immediately recognizing unknown Japanese shit like dragons crown doesn't mean the woman who dresses up as superheroes for fun and reads comics is somehow less of a hobbyist.

>>93795292
8/10, would kek again

pro tip, actually have a picture of a nature documentary narrator.

>>93796939
Man I miss rozen maiden, kinda bummed the new artstyle sucked

>>93795642
>replicates Japanese trash

look here, you mother fucking racist, you get back to /tumblr/ and you fucking stay there. This is a christian board. you want to talk about being progressive and inclusion and yet you go off being a fucking racist. fuck you and everything you stand for.

>>93802605
>>93803221
>people are still taking the bait
lol

>>93792734
I was going to say at least the one on the right looks more like a squirrel, but actually she looks more like chipmunk, so good job

>>93796399
>Slow but you always deliver and take criticism and dont cause shit? Good employee.
this is me
>Cause lots of drama but get all your shit done and ahead of time so you can fix problems? Tough shit for the office, but good employee at the end of the day.
I've known people like this
it's not like on House, it's fucking infuriating

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>>93795139
>those cans

>>93800872
>Some women want to be that, though. If you go onto a site like Fetlife
I'll stop you right there
you're talking about a known minority of women
there are better arguments to be made
>For some people a woman that wants to be a sex object is sexy.
that one is slightly better, but only slightly

>>93793434
>not ordering raw
you get compost

>>93802035
>wrinkles = good
Ebin.

>>93803458
>minorities are the most important people in the world except when I don't like what they like, then they're completely irrelevant

>>93793205
It's still so strange to see Marvel: Avengers Alliance character art routinely used as almost the 'representative' art for Marvel Characters.
For a failed game with a small player base, it had a reaching impact with the sprites.

>>93803458
>you're talking about a known minority of women
Funny because the majority of men like sexualised females but this is wrong because your statistically numerically lesser female readership doesn't like it.

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>>93801156
Ma'am, you're clearly hysterical. But don't be afraid, we have the latest in advance treatments for your condition. First we're going to put you in this nice comfy jacked, and then we're going to place this cylindrical object inside your vagina. I'm told it produces a pleasant vibration, which will help express excess amounts of hormones which are presently causing your mental imbalance.

we'll keep you for the next few days, and then we'll see if treatment has managed to calm your dreadful case of nerves.

>>93795292
>pretending you don't know that guy was making fun of the people that say that
I'm sick of this bait-counterbait culture, I wish people would just say what they have to say instead of setting up strawmen to knock down

>>93800495
Nothing strike fear in the hearts of man more than a crazy tranny who would beat your ass, so yeah this would work pretty well actually.

>>93793366
How the fuck did they make those puddles into squares?

>93795885
I see what you did there

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>>93795642
bait senses are 100% tingling

>>93792734
Literally anybody can both write and draw comics better than Marvel right now. /co/ could put out ten lines of amateur trash and it would read better than shit like America.

>>93803716
they bring out a special table cloth for the dessert that has indents in it so the sauce takes up the square shape

>>93800099
now I'm kind of having a "why, boner?" moment but with aesthetics instead of arousal
logically it seems like this should look like shit, and it did, until I looked at it for like 5 seconds, now I can't not like it and I don't know why

>>93792734
i mean this girl ericfa anderson, she fucking worked for t campbell! one of the worst comic creators in the bussines, every single one of his artist are awfull , he always choose the worst most amateurish kind of artist with a love for ugly character, like the waltrip brothers

>>93800493
holy shit I didn't notice the left hand, that would be really painful

>>93792869
>>93793152
Man, why is this such a hard concept: you can do good drawings of ugly characters. As in a detailed, visually appealing drawings of a character who is purposefully in-universe unattractive. When people say the characters in Squirrel Girl are ugly, it's not that they're purposefully ugly, it's that they're poorly drawn. You can't even have an in-world justification that 'they're supposed to look like REAL people', or that a specific character 'isn't SUPPOSED to be beautiful'. Legitimately every character has the same awful face. It's not that they wanted the character to be homely, it's just sloppy execution of visual design.

>Capcom made REmake for Gamecube
>simply ported over RE2 and 3
I'm still mad about it. It's been 2 years since REmake2 was announced and we've heard NOTHING.

Imagine if they actually remade the original 3 for GC as was originally hinted? We'd be talking about them right now. Maybe even playing them.