Spider-man Homecoming

Republicans root for Stark.

Democrats realize Vulture was right.

>>93767063
what an awesome fucking jaket

>>93767083
Vulture was a Republican, He even has a "I'm not racist, because I married a black woman" wife

There was a nice subtle piece of dialogue he said that added a ton of dimension to his character. He said something along the lines of "we go over there and fight THEIR wars" during a rant. Toombs must be a vet who saw some shit overseas and came home only to have his family endangered by aliens and his livelihood taken away by Stark.

I don't want to start a company war but I think along MCU has done a better and more subtle job of showing how superheroes bring consequences to ordinary people better than the DCEU does. And that was an aspect the DCEU was specifically trying to aim for.

>>93767111
He seems like the type of guy to understand the republicans are fucking him the same as the democrats

Until you realize he was living in huge ass house in the NY burbs

dude was the 1%

>>93767175
Yeah cause he'd been getting rich of alien tech for years.

Toomes was a criminal through and through, even if he got into the game with good intentions.

>>93767063
Dude had alien weapons being sold a block away from his own house.
His ass got lucky his family didn't die by his stuff.

>>93767063
I'm not a communist so no.

>>93767237
He definitely had precautions for that though, keeping his family away from his work life as possible and killing one of his men for suggesting he could snitch to his wife. Still, I wonder how he'd have reacted if he knew his daughter almost died because of stuff he found.

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>>93767083
>Republicans root for the pro-disarmament, pro-mass surveillance nouveau riche autist.

>>93767258
I don't think He intended to kill him, Just scare the shit out of him with the anti gravity gun, though he did shrug off his death pretty quickly

>>93767314
He didn't mean to kill that guy but he didnt particularly care that he did. He threatened to kill Peter but didn't when he had the chance. He got into crime to pay bills but also took pride in his operation and hated Tony Stark the whole time. The contradictions are what make him an interesting villain.

>>93767063
How can you not root for someone with a jacket that good?

>>93767400
MCU Vulture is so badass. They did a great job with the source material being flying pajama man

>>93767267
Well Republicans did vote for Trump, so... yeah

>>93767369
He also could have gotten revenge by revealing Spidermans Identity, but he didn't

>>93767369
Vulture would work as a better villain for Tony than any of his actual villains so far.

He really saved the movie. Great motives, smart and scary, glad he didn't die.

What I was surprised by is that literally all of the MCU movies are "LMAO QUIPS" every 5 seconds, but the one hero that is known for his quips barely has any.

There was more highschool drama than necessary and Peter was pretty whiny most of the time but he's a kid so i can forgive that.

I was hoping Peter wouldn't go after him after the car scene.

>>93767063
Sounds like a speech made by a Bendis villain at the start of one of his runs, eg. the Hood, or Diamondback

>>93767473
Had spiderman not gotten involved in the end He would have had a confrontation with Iron Man

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>>93767496
yeah, but its a feeling that lots of people have always had so it's excused

>>93767507
then he would have died for sure

>>93767248
>2017
>not a communist
lmao wyd m8

>>93767063
Tony Stark seems to be the cause of a good 60-70% of the problems that the MCU world faces

The hypocritical knee-jerk cunt.

>>93767682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ERMmnWzSL8

>>93767098
That jacket is pretty fucking great.

>>93767098
Right? Great take on Vulture's neck-feathers, whatever the fuck those are called.

>>93767471
There's quite a few reasons he didn't reveal Spider-man's identity at the end there.

Primarily it's because he probably respects Peter for saving his life. Especially considering that he was grateful for Peter saving Liz.

However I think it's also a rep thing. Guy knows who Spider-man is and doesn't just kill him? That doesn't say great things about him.

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>>93767441
Only because the alternative was the Hilldebeast. I'm pretty sure she drove a lot of Democrats out of the party, too.

>>93767827
Villains who show respect are fucking awesome

>>93767063
Maybe.
I personally hate Tony being constantly portrayed as 'I'm always smugly right ', like a Lex Luthor who's allegedly one of the good guys.
Anyone who sticks it to Stark can't be all bad.

>>93767063
This fucking guy looks like he fucks about 20 bitches every single night.

>>93767984
But if anything the movies prove he's wrong most of the time, and one of the greatest threats to the Earth?

He has no right to be mentoring a child hero.

>>93767984
>knows that Vulture exists
>just sends some useless FBI agents at him instead of putting on the suit and taking him down himself
Tony was a shit in Homecoming.

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Honestly almost everything in this movie was great.

> the rubble scene where Peter is screaming in realistic terror

>>93768013
He doesn't even need to do ot himself, He could just send a couple suits in on auto pilot

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>>93767984
He pushed hard for the registration act and attacked his friends as they moved to stop a villain just because he felt guilty when some bitch got all up in his face.

Then the very second the accords became personally inconvenient for him he flouts them to fly off solo.

Then again he attacks people other than the actual villain again just because MUH MUMMY, MUTHERFUCKAH.

Stark is a shitty person almost entirely motivated by pangs of guilt and overreacts every time to the detriment of everyone else.

>>93768067
Remote controlled Iron Man suits are massive jobbers, remember IM3?

The only good part of that film is they decided to remove the scene where Pepper was to be date-raped by the villain using his super pheromones.

>>93767267
The Patriot Act was a republican bill.

>>93767083
>Republicans root for a guy who supported government regulation on people's privacy
Nice meme

>>93768010
>ywn get into bar fights with the Vulture as back up

>>93767063
Best Iron Man villain

>>93768112
He literally did that so he could get the people off his ass and so they'd stop try to regulate his shit, selling his principles for convenience.

Sound republican to me.

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>>93767063
No because vulture is the ultimate cuck.
>His face when his nemesis is banging his wifes child.

>>93767509
That second panel has a point.

>>93768188
>hurr durr cuck cuck
go back

>>93768013
Is he even allowed to fight crime without the government's ok?

>>93768188
You're not clever

>>93768188
You don't own your daughter anon.

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>>93768255
Even Iron Man is sick of it.

>>93768188
>only one allowed to plow my daughter is me
Josef Fritzl, pls.

About time the MCU had a decent villain. I do like their films, but their villains are usually pretty weak.

The world is changing.

>>93768188
Are you actually retarded anon?

>>93768188
That's not how that works, Anon.

>>93767314
>>93767369
I dunno, the ambiguity just felt inconsistent.

He definitely tried to kill Peter by dropping the ceiling on him. But did he shoot white Shocker with murderous intent?

If he did, I could buy him as a would-be child killer, but if the death was an accident I can't.

>>93767119
>I don't want to start a company war but I think along MCU has done a better and more subtle job of showing how superheroes bring consequences to ordinary people better than the DCEU does.

I feel like Homecoming sold, to me, a world that was adjusting to superheroes in a more natural way. Granted, none of the Avengers have it in them to be quite as God-Like as Superman, but even then I still didn't buy the wholesale worship and/or burning in effigy of him.

>>93768501
He gave Peter a chance to walk away because he saved his daughter

pretty respectable

>>93768552
Yes but then Shocker 1 and and Peter are the only people he tries to kill in the whole movie

>>93767111
If anything the guy was a libertarian

>>93767473
Thing is he realized just how a fight would end between him and ironman, him getting his shit kicked in and probably dead. He hates stark, but he knows that he isn't capable of killing him, he even wanted to avoid stealing directly from him until he had no choice but to target that plane. He was really well written cause despite having most motive to fight tony, he was so pragmatic he avoided that confrontation at all costs

>>93767063

Can we all agree that everything about this movie was at least decent or better and the only huge flaw was Poo-in-loo manlet Flash?

>>93767119
>I don't want to start a company war but I think along MCU has done a better and more subtle job of showing how superheroes bring consequences to ordinary people better than the DCEU does. And that was an aspect the DCEU was specifically trying to aim for.

I like how since Age of Ultron we've been slowly building our way to the MCU populace becoming the Marvel comics program populace.

The honeymoon period after the first Avengers is over, and soon the average citizen will take the heroes for granted and resent the collateral complications their theatrics bring to their lives, just like in the comics

>"so they get paid to make the messes and get paid to clean em up now too"
Toomes was literally doing the exact same thing Tony had been doing for the majority of his adult life, only his activity was arbitrarily deemed illegal because Tony colluded with the government to have defacto ownership of the materials Toomes was using.

Also, the reveal with him during homecoming night was perfect.

>>93767267
Republicans literally voted to allow internet service providers to sell your private data without your permission this year, so...yeah

>>93768085
Cap would've been able to do most of the things he needed to without getting everyone arrested if he hust signed the accords first to give them legal wiggle room. Instead he made it an us vs them conflict where tony had no choice but to pursue them or the rest of the avengers would be guilty by association to cap

>>93768751
Didn't seem to bother him when he refused to show up and defend the superjail when he was ordered to

>>93767776
>>93767098
>>93767384

I agree. I would buy that shit as merch.

>>93768751
Cap had literally just got done saving the USA from infiltration by supervillains that were aiming to control and genocide everyone, this is ON TOP of the only fact New York wasn't a smoking radioactive crater was because the Avengers were around to work against the actions of the World Security Council and save the day.
If anything Cap is justified in going full Justice Lords if he wanted to, he and his team seems to be the only thing keeping the world going in contrast to Iron Man who keeps fucking it up with his plans & actions, its almost laughable.

>>93767119

I took that line, the helmet, and the jacket to be a pretty strong implication that he was in the airforce at some point.

>>93768085
That's actually what I like about him.

He's not Superman, he's a very human character with flaws.

>>93767063
Poor guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nkboMqYhSA

>>93767063
>wasnt the washington memorial built by slaves
now with a theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-KUbflnMEs

>>93768862
There's a difference between having flaws and being a total fuckup who is still shilled.

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>>93768825
>>93767776
>>93767098
>>93767384

Don't. You may think you could pull it off but you can't

>>93768674
Good luck convincing /pol/ that every non-white character didn't literally ruin the movie

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>>93768870
>Peter is a modern day Lolita

>>93768912
>comparing the Drive jacket to a plain old fur lined bomber
I'm pretty sure I can pull off a bomber jacket.

>>93768916
Flash was terrible and "MJ" is an abomination. We'll never get an accurate Mary Jane now.

>>93767063
I just HATE this new trend on villains finding out about the heroes identity shtick.

>>93768947
>"MJ" is an abomination. We'll never get an accurate Mary Jane now.

Thank fuck.

>>93768982
>he hates Mary Jane Watson
How does it feel having the shittest of taste?

>"You're selling weapons to criminals!"
>"How do you think your buddy Stark built that tower?"

I kind of felt for the Vulture here. Even if Tony didn't know it, the Stark empire was partially built on illegal weapons deals, and it's not like Tony gave the money back afterwards.

It's easy to see why he Vulture does what he does.

>>93769001
Not that guy but I for one am glad we won't have to hear some forced "face it tiger you hit the jackpot" shit every other time she shows up

>>93768085
On the other hand Cap was all "MUH FRIEND, WHO CARES ABOUT THE LAW? IT'S FOR CHUMPS WHO DON'T HAVE (state-sponsored) SUPERPOWERS".
They were both egotistical dicks in CW.

>>93768085
I can forgive him for being pissed at Bucky and Cap. Realistically Cap had no idea that Bucky killed the Starks, but he knew Hydra did it years ago and had an obligation to tell Tony, and it's hard to not get furious when you're standing next to the dude who murdered your parents while some guy just put on the home movie of him killing them. The rest I can't side with Tony on though.

>>93769071
But Cap only did that because the government was infested with Hydra. He knew that turning Bucky over would just be putting him back in their hands.

>>93769115
That's not even how he presents it himself in the movie.

>>93768370
Who was the better villain, Ego or Vulture?

>>93769123
He should have, then. That was the whole reason I agreed with him.

>>93769136
Vulture without a doubt. Ego wasn't bad though. Red Skull was great too but we'll never see him again.

>>93769136
>>93769150
>Ego
He foiled his own plan worse than Thanos for no reason.

>>93769024
inb4 MJ does it as well, but in a contrived sarcastic way

>>93768709
Tony's logic behind concentrating cleanup operations behind one central entity was smart. If Vulture wasn't the guy selling alien shit as illegal weapons, there would have been 5 to 10 other guys doing it in his place. Tony did it to throttle the alien weapons black market before it sprung up by restricting the access that potential arms dealers would have to the source.

>>93768947
>I'm pretty sure I can pull off a bomber jacket.

Post a pic of what you're wearing right now. Until then, I'm just going to assume you can't

>>93767063
Dude, he sold out and wound up living in the suburbs in the glass mansion he earned from selling super weapons to criminals.

>>93769658
How is that selling out? His goal from the start was to provide a good life for his family through his criminal activities. Did you think that he'd just be content with living in a shithole when his business brought in way more cash than expected, instead of giving his family the most comfy life he could?

>>93769646
But I'm shirtless.

>>93768870
wtf.. i did not get that at all when i watched this movie

>>93770099
The era of uncomfortably young Parker being hit on by older female heroes and villains is upon us

>>93769343
It wouldn't have been a black market, it would've simply been a market, if Tony hadn't formed Damage Control in tandem with the government.

He fixed the game to make it illegal for others to do exactly what his entire fortune is built on.

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>>93767083
You're not even American, are you?

>>93767369
It's all about protecting his family.
>Guy threatens his family
>Killed with no remorse
>Peter saves his daughter
>Gives him a chance not to make this a thing
>Peter saves him, not leaving his wife a widow
>Doesn't rat on him in prison
He may be an asshole, but he's got a code, and that code is family.

>>93768846
Oh shit, could he have been part of Sam's unit?

I was depressed that EI-OH LET'S GO is old enough to be considered a nostalgic song now

>>93767441
I would have voted Bernie in a second if the DNC didn't think they knew better than their entire voting base who should be their candidate.

>>93769658
>Dude, he sold out
I don't think you understood his motivations very well

>>93767486
>I was hoping Peter wouldn't go after him after the car scene.
I was kinda thinking he should just get Happy on the phone, let him know about the Vulture, then go enjoy his party. Happy hung up on Ned because he didn't know who this fucker was, but if Peter had called he might have at least heard him out. But then again, it's been a consistent character trait of Spider-man's that he rarely uses the most efficient methods of being spider-man.

>>93767682
Seriously, at this point if they *don't* kill him in Infinity Wars I'm gonna be pissed. He's arguably more of a threat than some of the villains they fight at this point. At least most of them only tried to destroy the world *once.*

>>93767083
>Democrats
>cis straight white working class male

>>93770147
It would never have been a legit market, because selling WMDs is illegal already, alien-made or no.

>>93768010
And yet he stays loyal to his wife and his wife's daughter. He may be a bad guy, but he ain't a *bad guy.*

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>>93767098
FF8 doesn't get much love

>>93770142
Doesn't Black Cat throw up when she realises she has the hots for a teenager?

>>93770359
That's because it is shit anon.

Play 9.

>>93770373
What disgusting ageism

>>93770373
I don't remember this

>>93768100
>they decided to remove the scene where Pepper was to be date-raped by the villain using his super pheromones.
Wait, was that really going to be a thing?

>>93768101
I hate the Patriot Act as much as the next guy, but if you don't remember how gung-ho literally everyone was to saddle up and bust some terrorism post 9/11 then you're probably still a teenager

>>93769190
I think he got too wrapped up in himself and didn't realize it wasn't appropriate to mention his killing Quill's mother. He thought he had Quill thinking in "my existence transcends mortals" terms, so to him that seemed like a trivial thing to mention.

>>93768501
I assumed that meant he's killed people before, and even though this was actually an accident, he doesn't feel bad about killing a guy who just threatened his family.

>>93769190
GotG2 was not a good movie. Some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard

>>93768286
Well he came flying in when the situation at the ferry got out of control so probably.

>>93768718
If you want to get into a pissing match about which side is worth, the only thing we're going to get is sad. Both D and R are looking to F U.

>>93768751
There's nothing so permanent as a temporary government measure.

>>93769024
That happened once in the comics, it would have happened once in the movies. Also, if you don't think they're not going to have new MJ say that line in a later movie you're a fucking retard.

>>93770695
I'd say that the Avengers have unconditional authority to perform policework/hero-type actions, but they can't intervene with governments or geopolitics and shit without government approval

>>93769136
Vulture, hands down. Ego was a shitty villain.

>>93768718
Democrats vote for these things too.

>>93770647
If anything he was thinking Quill would sympathize, due to his EGO he saw it more as "poor him" for having to kill her to continue his plan.

>>93769343
And I'm sure the American government won't do ANYTHING bad with all that advanced alien technology. They've proven to be so trustworthy both in our universe and the MCU.

>>93767111
Wasted trips on shitpost.

>>93767843
yeah. but I sure as hell would've never voted for Trump. I hate to go off topic here, but, damn. I would've liked to think my fellow Americans would be tired of this lesser of two evils shit at this point. stop feeding into the two party trap. its all a fucking circus anyways, neither party nor anyone in those parties gives a rat's ass about their voters.

>>93769646
Flight jackets make everyone at least 1 point cooler, it's a well known military fact.

>>93768501
>>93768603
He didn't intend to kill Shocker 1. He just wanted to put a scare or threaten him using the anti-gravity gun. He's not torn up about killing him because he threatened him.

>>93769010
Even the legal weapons deals were dubious.

>>93768751
>Cap would've been able to do most of the things he needed to without getting everyone arrested if he hust signed the accords first to give them legal wiggle room.

1. We saw how that worked when Tony tried to tell Ross about Zemo.

2. You don't sign a massive contract in the hopes of "fixing it later" like Iron Man was suggesting

Anyway, it didn't become us vs them until Iron Man's team came to the airport to stop them.

>>93770387
You got your 6 upside down there, anon.

>>93770813
Yeah because distributing those weapons to all manner of 3rd world dictators and underworld figures is a great plan

Has the blue Ego goo happened yet in MCU or is it just GotG2? A bunch of blue shit appearing from nowhere and absorbing neighborhoods is a pretty big thing.

>>93770827
>I would've liked to think my fellow Americans would be tired of this lesser of two evils shit at this point.
Maybe we would be if the candidates didn't get worse and worse every time.

>>93770792
No, no anon, only the big bad republicans and their evil cheeto overlord do bad things. Democrats dindu nuffin.

>>93770862
6 is pretty bad in story and characters, all it has going for it is some fresh gameplay/party mechanics.

>>93769071
>MUH FRIEND, WHO CARES ABOUT THE LAW?

Yeah, who cares? If being a good citizen means letting the state murder your friend, what the fuck is it worth?

>>93770874
I'm betting it happened but nobody had a clue what the fuck it was.

>>93770869
You mean like America literally has done and is doing?

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>>93770869
>America
>NOT arming 3rd world dictators and underworld figures

>>93770909
Oh right, I forgot that we were talking about irl America and not the MCU. Sorry, I was too busy cleaning my black market alien gun to read your post carefully.

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>>93770892
Well you're just objectively wrong there. Have a good day, sir.

>>93770944
I can't tell if you're being dense or if you just don't pay attention to the news.

>>93770792
>>93770891

niggers look at what that post is replying to

>Republicans would never do X
>but republicans did exactly X
>b-but so did Democrats
>hurr sarcastic comment about big bad republicans

>>93767111
Or maybe he genuinely is just not racist?

>>93768978
>new trend

What the f-

[End Credits]

>>93770883
shouldn't that only deter people from voting? vote for someone else, then. write someone in. even if you know the person you voted for won't win, at least you're making a principled statement and you're no longer accountable for whatever shit the lesser of two evils does as pres.

>>93770949
Why was he wearing a hoodie at the beach?

>>93771082
Some people burn really easily. My brother can only be outside for about 30 minutes before he turns as red as those lobsters.

>>93771006
I don't think you understand how the American voting system works. At this point the only way to fix this shit is with violent revolution.

>>93771006
>vote for someone else, then

Libertarians got over 3 times as many votes in 2016 compared to 2012

>>93771128
And since the Dems are basically in fucking shambles at this point, they might actually have a shot in 2020

>>93767063
>lives in a $5 million house
>claims to be a "little guy"
>claims to not be able to find a legitimate job with decades of experience
>decides to sell his powerful jury rigged weapons to criminals instead, prompting petty mugger Aaron Davis to be horrified he's flooding their streets with dangerous material that could see kids die as collateral
>kills another supposed little guy for threatening to tell the police about his highly illegal arms dealing operation
>tries to kill a child of the working class for doing the same thing
>scene where we see how spacious his house is (especially for somewhere as expensive as NYC) clearly meant to be the moment where we finally realize everything he said is bullshit and he's just as bad/worse than the people he's railing against given that he became a millionaire from blood money and has been the "big guy" for years
>/co/ doesn't get it

I'm not even surprised.

>>93771148
>>kills another supposed little guy for threatening to tell the police about his highly illegal arms dealing operation
This is a bad thing? I'd kill him too, he's putting everyone on the team at risk.

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>>93771148
I really don't see how he's worse than Tony, who has directly or indirectly nearly helped destroy the world like 3 times now.

>>93771202
Vulture is the one putting them at risk by being a dangerous arms dealer. It's like claiming killing Spider-Man is justified because he's "putting them at risk."

>>93771208
this art sucks

>>93768912
That jacket looks dumb no matter who wears it though.

>>93771148
>killing snitches
>a bad thing
don't ever come 'round my streets

>>93771238
Don't work for a criminal arms dealer, barring that don't tell your criminal boss that you're gonna go to the police and sink his whole operation and ruin his family life.

>>93768912
Omigosh puppy!

>>93771212
>Age of Ultron
>Winter Soldier
what were the others?

>>93771249
Welcome to Marvel, where the story lines are shit and the art doesn't matter.

>>93771346
Iron Man 1, 2 and 3

>>93768112
Are you familiar with actual republicans? Invasive regulations for scary others are par for the course.

fact: Republicans pushed gun control when Black Panthers started open carrying.

Republicans applaud 'stop and frisk'

Republicans want you to force you to get ultrasounds and inform your rapist before you can get an abortion.

Republicans want extreme micromanagement of your food budget and regular drug testing if you're poor enough to need assistance.

Small government for me; Strong Nationalistic Government for everyone I don't like.

>>93771238
Vulture is putting them at risk but with pre-caution to not get caught. What he's doing is illegal, but he's trying to be smart about it.

The other guy fired weapons out in the open, used them willy-nilly on the streets to fight Spiderman, drove back to their fucking hideout in a destroyed van ignoring the possibility that someone could've seen them (Most people ditch their cars if they think it's trackable or compromised), then totally blew off Vulture when he was trying to be reasonable with him.

He was a careless, greedy asshole who tried to blackmail an arms dealer.

>>93770792
Dude voting records are public. Dems did not vote to release your internet history. Cut the shit.

>>93771433
They just wanted TPP to happen, so other countries could fuck us even harder. Both sides are evil, anon. Vote 3rd party or gtfo.

>>93767063
The Vulture was literally a millionaire who got rich off blood money, his rant against the "rich and powerful" was just bizarre.

>>93771506
In his mind, if people like Tony Stark can get rich doing this shit legally, why can't he get rich doing it illegally? I fail to see the disconnect.

>>93771500
>They just wanted TPP to happen, so other countries could fuck us even harder.

t. economically illiterate

>>93771500
I'd rather vote for a party with a track record of actually not shitting up our economy every 8 years.

Not gonna go for ol' HealingCrysals Green party or MUH GOLD STANDARD Libertarians.

>>93767063
Sound like a COMMIE.

>>93771532
Wait, are you seriously trying to play devil's advocate for the TPP?

>>93771534
Then you're part of the problem, anon. The two party system is killing this country.

>>93770704
Hey I won't deny that both sides suck, but one sucks a lot more than the other right now.

I don't bring politics into these threads, I just respond to the dumbass /r/the_donald kids that think they have free license to shill their dumb shit here since 2016

>>93771591
It's not a devil's advocate thing, the TPP was just objectively right and only moronic protectionist and whiny bitches on the Internet (who were worried they could no longer pirate their mangas or whatever retarded bullshit) complained. If you had taken an Economics course higher than 101 you'd know this.

Eight years of Trump. Sorry /co/

>>93770768
>That happened once in the comics

I fucking wish, Slott recycles that line literally every arc where MJ appears

>>93771611
I'd say they suck pretty fucking equally right now.

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>>93771644

>>93771500
>Both sides are evil, anon
Dems didn't vote to allow ISPs to throttle my internet and sell any and all of my information to anyone without my consent. Dems didn't just vote to strip away all regulations that prevent companies from dumping chemicals into the groundwater. Dems didn't enact policies to kill public education in this country. Under the Dems, Reekus was able to get his diabeetus medication. Enjoy your country of illiterate, diabetic poorfags with heavy metal poisoning you dumb fag.

>>93770792
>get called out
>instead of admitting you're wrong immediately lie and say democrats voted for it too

the sad part is you won't even reflect on how brainwashed you've become, you'll just write me off as a "cuck lib" and go back to believing whatever FOX news and /pol/ tell you, never questioning it

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>>93771698
You're part of the problem anon.
>The other side is evil, and even though my side does awful shit at least we're not THOSE assholes!
Kill yourself.

I will laugh my ass off when all these kids whining about the TPP get their anime torrents throttled by Trump's FCC appointments.

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>>93767063
>mfw I realized the Vulture is actually a scavenger in the MCU

>>93771644

happy merchant silhouette has never been more relevant than now

>>93771740
Right? I got a smile out of that when I realized. He's picking over the scraps of the dead aliens.

>>93771742
>oh yeah, well you're a JEW!

Does 4chan have literally any other argument against someone with even a basic education of the topic being discussed?

>>93771735
>Republicans enact a shitload of almost cartoonishly evil legislation that puts the average American under the boot of big corporations
>Democrats do not, and have never done, those things
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY ARE THE DEMS SO EVIL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
You should consider suicide. That way there's less burden on the healthcare system in comparison to when you fall into your diabetic coma or the mercury hits your brain stem.

>>93770874
It was just another weird day in the MCU

It stopped and no one knows what it was, but whatever. There was an evil elf in England a few years ago, at a certain point you just have to roll with it

>>93768031
>That voice crack and desperation

That actually caught me of guard, it really sounded like Peter was about to cry and give up. Great acting on Toms part.

>>93771599
put up a legit 3rd party and fight first past the post;

I vote for a party that aligns with my interests. I support finding something better than first past the post, but Green and Libertarian parties are terrible.

>>93770874
Just more alien shit for the Vulture to steal

>>93771764

You haven't actually displayed any education here, only claimed to have it. Almost like an evil cartoon character...

>>93771664

>>93771735

>okay yeah you've shown how we're objectively shit

>But we're both shit okay! No I won't give reasons!

>>93771774
Yeah, they're just so corrupt they can openly cheat in the primaries with literally no repercussions. I'm sure THEY'RE the party for the good and holy.

>>93771834
Because I'm not a republican you dumb fuck. I'm just tired of democrats acting like their shit doesn't stink.

>>93771874
Not that guy, but like others have said no one is saying the Dems are perfect, but you'd have to be an utter moron to argue they're anywhere close to as bad as the current Republican administration

>>93772004
Only because the Republicans are in power right now. Whichever side has the majority always turns evil sooner or later. Compare candidate Obama to President Obama (who was more Bush than Bush was)

>>93772004

you don't have to be close to as bad as the republicans to be too bad to rule

>>93770265
I'd take a bullet before I vote for a socialist

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>>93772091
>sees the word "socialist"
>shits his pants in fear

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Vulture was awesome, and I really don't care for comics Vulture.

Hell, even the toy is awesome

>>93771534
You do realize most economic depressions happened under democrat presidents with democrat congresses right? Something about spending money you don't have and raising taxes

>>93772116
Not fear, hate. Socialists are the epitome of whiny, jealous children and they deserve a bullet

>>93772246
How do you feel about the police, fire stations and libraries?

>>93772035
Last time the Democrats owned the government and chimped out, the American people got overtime pay and the 40 hr work week. When the Republicans took complete control of the government and chimped out in 2017, the American people got a repeal of net neutrality and consumer protection laws.

>>93768718
This sentence is unfathomably retarded. I work for an isp and we have literally no way of telling what the fuck your doing with your internet connection other than noise ratios and power levels and the amount of bandwith being used. It would be incredibly difficult and expensive to sniff 40k customers data. Why people think we can is beyond my comprehension

>>93772363
You realize Obama's first 2 years the Dems had complete control right?

>>93772292
You're one of those retards that think everything the government does is socialism. Please kill yourself.

>>93772116
No, I just don't want mass starvation because you know better despite ignorance on matters on preservation and transportation of essentials and have a grudge against some ethic group besides your pet groups.

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>>93772401
You don't understand what socialism is or that there are lots of different kinds of socialism, so pic related

>>93772292
All of which can be privately funded without raising taxes to over half of income because you're butthurt someone has more money than you and you feel you deserve to get your gender studies degree for free

>>93772035

>tried to close Gauntanmo but was opposed by GOP majority congress

>heavily reduced troop involvement in Iraq, essentially bringing our presence to zero.

>blamed for ISIS because of it^


>Called weak by Repubs for only issuing sanctions against russia/ repubs then say any threat of force would result in WW3 during election.

>Repubs 80% were against any military action in Syria/ Repubs were 80% for the missle strikes under Trump

>Obama started with Public Option, but due to dems not having filibuster proof congress, Repubs watered it down to shit.

>Obama introduced an 80s Republican healthcare plan thinking they'd buy in. They still fucking hated it and watered it down more before letting it pass.


>Never lied about WMDs

>Brought us out of recession.

Okay.jpg

>>93772458
Are... are you seriously arguing for a privatized police force/fire department?

>>93772458
>privately funded fire stations
get the fuck out, you walking ANCAP meme. the only reason fire services are public in the first place is because people experimented with private fire stations in the early 20th century and they were total disasters. fuck off.

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reminder that this is what we could've gotten stuck with

these wings suck

>>93770222
This is how I see it too

>>93772435
Because the faggots think putting a different name in front of socialism will be enough to fool retards Luke you that they're different. Its all the same, excess government control and legalized jealousy. Part of the reason you fags got BTFO so hard last year was because of your blatant desire to enlarge government and you failed to realize your lesson

>>93772465
Not who you were responding to, but I like how everyone credits for Obama pulling us out of the recession when the economy still seems to be in fucking shambles.

>>93772475
Many places have privatised police and fire you idiot, it's not unheard of. To add to this, police and fire are funded on a city and state level, not federal, with some departments being fucking voluntary. The world continues to spin without the government cock in your ass

>>93772528
Believe me, I want a smaller government probably even more so than you do. I've just realized that at this point, the only way that's going to happen is though violent revolution, and since John Q. Public is too much of a lazy fatass to stand up for their own freedoms anymore, we might as well try to make the massive, money chewing monster that is the united states at least try to work in our favor instead of in the favor of corporations you ignorant fucking normie.

I thought the Vulture was neat

>>93772584
Name 3.

>>93772620
Oh right, this is a spider-man thread.

>>93772499
Why is everyone pushing for a Sinister Six movie so hard? Six villains is waaaaaaay too much, there'd barely be any character development.

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>>93767083
First post derailed this whole thread into politics, thanks anon.

>>93772499
Those wings suck.

>>93772116
Yeah its not like socialist countries always become shit holes or anything with the mass starvation's and gulags, but hey, you get "free" healthcare!

>>93772646
because all sony had was spider-man and they needed SOME form of avengers ensemble

"why not go with six villains?" - amy pascal

>>93772397
They didn't actually. One senator got delayed by 7 months by repubs contesting the election; another one got sick and was out of commission, and another one died and was replaced by a republican.


They never had a supermajority (60) and the Republicans filibustered fucking everything, which is effective when you only have to do it for a year.

But you know what he did in that 2 years anyway? Salvaged the fucking economy and improved healthcare (Yeah, ACA is bad but it's still better than what we had, even after sever GOP revisions to it; public option is still best)

7 months in with GOP actually having supermajority and they can't get shit done.

>>93772666
The nordic countries were doing pretty okay until they bought into the "muh refugees" trap and imported millions of ignorant rapists.

>>93772562
It objectively is performing nearly as well as it was before the housing bust.

>>93772691
>Salvaged the fucking economy and improved healthcare (Yeah, ACA is bad but it's still better than what we had, even after sever GOP revisions to it; public option is still best)
The economy is still shit and no deal is better than a bad deal.
And yeah, the republicans can't get shit done because they're incompetent too. We need to line up politicians on both sides and start building guillotines.

>>93772727
Sure as hell doesn't feel like it.

>>93772694
If we're lucky the EU will collapse and we'll simply let these people drown when their boats pull up.

>>93768428
the world...has stopped changing

my job is done here

>>93772729
See here:

>>93772727


>no deal is better than a bad deal

No it isn't. ACA is an improvement on what we had; it's not good, but what we had before was absolute shit. Prominent dems have talked about single payer since the 90's if we could just get the GOP out of their asses.

>>93772778
We can only fucking hope. They're trying to put together their own army now, you know. That's not worrying at all or anything.

>>93772694
I hate this meme. Nordic countries have less buying power, pay absurd sales tax for shit as mundane as toilet paper, have a healthcare system that poorly battles conditions like cancer, live mostly in shitty apartment blocks and only have their shitty system in place because of capitalism. Retards look at the "free" stuff and scream for it and say socialism works while ignoring everything else. Their ideology is based around jealousy and a desire to have no one better than them

>>93772605
MUH CORPORATIONS!!!

fucking Occupy retard

>>93772740
reals > feels as they would say.

>>93772562
Depends on where you live, things were pretty bad everywhere during the recession, now most developed modern areas are doing alright, while areas where jobs are being replaced by automation are struggling worse than ever

That's not the recession, though.

>>93772825
Fucking Disney shill.

>>93772795
single payer does not work when half the population is shitskins. I'd think Europe would have proved that.

>>93772828
It is why Trump won though. Dems live in big cities, cities recover from economic crash. Republicans live in rural areas, rural areas are not only still in the shitter, but are losing their jobs too. I may not have wanted Trump as President, but it's easy to see why he got elected.

>>93772854
>I'd think Europe would have proved that.
Nordic single payer is doing fine, people think that single payer is unaffordable because the UK's single payer is collapsing, but it's only collapsing because the UK government is intentionally defunding it

>>93772646
>Six villains is waaaaaaay too much, there'd barely be any character development.
12 Angry Men introduced 12 characters to the audience and gave all of them character development with only a runtime of about 1,5 hours.

>>93772694
Norway has one of the strictest immigration policies in Europe. Don't compare us to the cucks in Sweden.

>>93772819
>supernational coalition
>Drafting an international army which could see its troops deployed against their own homelands

This idea hasn't been a historical travesty before or anything!

Christ Europe get it together. You're making me think Islamization is the better of the two options.

>>93772823
Sure, Nordics pay absurd taxes, but looking at their base sallaries after taxes the average person is still well off.

>>93772795
ACA is a failure, it raised premiums even though they promised it wouldn't. It didn't get the enrollment numbers it needed because healthy people still weren't buying insurance because a tax penalty was cheaper than buying inflated insurance and hospital costs inflated over night. It was a shitty bill praised only by retards. And I don't want to pay higher taxes to benefit a parasite like you

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>>93767063
I was.
I thought his aesthetic was fucking awesome (using a furred aviator jacket to simulate the vulture mane? Sign me the fuck up)
I thought his suit was cooler than Iron Man's, given that his actually required skill to use rather than Iron Man letting his AI do 90% of the work for him (which happens to bite him in the ass in Civil War at the end)
I thought his story and general vibe was great, it reminded me of Walter White a bit with his duality as a villain and a family man
The plot twist with him actually caught me off guard cause I thought Peter hit the wrong house or he had taken Liz's family hostage
And I'd if Peter had let him do one last job, Liz's family wouldn't be destroyed, a good man wouldn't be behind bars and Stark and the Avengers would hardly have noticed that shit went missing

Hell, even the people he sold to hardly seemed terrible. Stealing money from an ATM isn't like stealing money from people who actually need it. That doesn't make it right but it doesn't make it so harmful that a super hero need get involved

Can someone remind me when Peter saw Vulture's face before the big reveal?

I was confused as to why he knew his face during the twist. I'm probably just not remembering.

>>93768031
I actually thought that scene was the worst part of the fight.

>>93769071

>THE LAW IS RIGHT
>YES MY JEW OVERLORDS YOUR DICK TASTES SO GOOD
>YES MY JEWVERLORDS NUKE NEW YORK ITS LAWFUL
>YES MY JEWVERLORDS KILL AN INNOCENT MAN WITHOUT A FREE TRIAL

Fuck off, pussy.

>>93773057
Agree. I even was sure Peter will let him go after he rescued him in the end.

>>93773057
>3 dozen mini arc reactors, Cap's shield, and Thor's spare uniform go missing
>"hardly notice"

>>93773057
>Stealing money from an ATM isn't like stealing money from people who actually need it.
I know Spidey startled them but they did blow up the sandwich place across the street when he confronted them. That's pretty dangerous m8
I honestly thought the sandwich dude and his cat dying would be this movies Uncle Ben scene lol

>>93772872
Yup, what's sad is there's nothing that can be done to help these people, outside of training them for new jobs because the old ones aren't coming back.

I didn't love Hillary but she was promising to do the first thing, Trump just promises to do the impossible but I guess they've believed him.

>>93773033
>If you like your plan
>You can keep your plan
>I liked my plan
>I couldn't keep my plan
People will defend this.

>>93767111
Can we talk about that real quick.
I love how given he's blue collar and cares about his workers and TRADITIONAL FAMILY VALUES LOL and talks about Cowboys and Indians, you'd think he was a sort of dullard stereotype.

It turns out he's the genuine article but he's also pretty adaptive and chose a Thicc POC wife rather than, what I'm sure a lot of more casually liberal audience members suspected of him having a standard white wife and white kid in some working class neighborhood

>>93773109
(You)

>>93773109
Lawful alignment is for chumps and retards. Neutral and Chaotic are the way to go.

>>93772987
Did you miss the part about buying power? Their prices and sales tax are higher so their "increased" wages don't actually buy much

>>93773148
Unfortunately, people will vote for a bad politician as long as they promise the right things. All Hillary had to do to win was *not* be an unlikable, out of touch bitch for 6 months and she couldn't even manage that.

>>93772823
>have a healthcare system that poorly battles conditions like cancer

This is wrong though.

>live mostly in shitty apartment blocks

And this is the same as America. At least the Nordic countries don't have areas that are legitimately third world tier, and don't have an underclass who literally cannot even access their healthcare because doing so would mean selling their shitty homes to pay for it.

In fact, just taking a quick glance at the average salary in that area of the world and the average rate of taxation, they should on the whole be much better off than most American citizens.

>>93767119
I completely agree actually.
I wager he was one of the people who fought with and against Stark weaponry

I wager in his mind, he saw his weapons development as morally superior to Stark cause at least he was doing it for not just his family but the families of everyone who worked for him

Notice that there was no one in the weapons factory when Peter got there: he sent them home knowing that Peter would be coming for him, only keeping Shocker and his Guy in the Chair around for that encounter

>>93773172
LG>NG>LN>CG>LE>TN>NE>>>>>CE>CN

>>93773236
NG>CG>TN>LG>CN>NE>CG>LE
Sorry, your dyslexia kicked in and got some of those wrong, so I fixed it for you.

>>93773200
Check those numbers again. It still adds up to a much wealthier middle class than most countries.

>>93773277
That last CG should be CE, finger slipped

>>93773033
It was an unequal effect, and the gross assumption would be that young people would jump into the pool, which they didn't want to do they integrated the individual mandate.
The ACA needs a lot of reform but you have the replace it before you repeal it. Otherwise it'll just be the insurance companies having an unmitigated rape party on Americans

>>93773277
>CE and CN not worst
Confirmed for never having played a TTRPG

>>93773148
The problem is that the amount of jobs total will simply decrease steadily as automation continues, and it happens from the bottom up with the simplest jobs going first. A lot of people I've spoken to about this talk about how the menial jobs are just being replaced with complex jobs but the problems are that 1) that isn't obvious, if anything menial jobs being cut will have a knock on effect where a portion of managerial and administrative jobs will also be cut and 2) even if more complex jobs emerged, it's a foolhardy assumption that every single person doing a menial one can simply move up the chain to a complex one.

We're getting very close to self driving cars for instance, they're about a decade off potentially. Transportation is the largest employment sector in North America. Jobs aren't going to suddenly appear in every other field when that industry is automated. You're going to see up to 25-30% of all jobs total gone. It's not a matter of merely re-educating for emergent sectors.

>>93773341
CE and CN irl would never gain long term power because all they do is wreck shit. LE is institutionalized, unfightable evil. Or have you never fought the Drow before?

>>93773343
At it's worst moments, the Great Depression featured 25% unemployment across the country. That nearly destroyed America. Picture then, the consequences of automation introducing 40%+ unemployment within the span of one or two decades.

>>93772458
>wanting faceless companies that already own most forms of production to also have an army of policemen to enforce their agenda

wew lad I knew /pol/acks were a fucking joke but you definitely take the cake on this one

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>>93773277
>chaotic good not THE best

>>93773132
You act like they couldn't just replace it all.
Like the fact that Peter had to discover these operations at all says a lot about how quiet and generally mundane their sales and clients were
They've been doing this shit for possibly 8 years and only suddenly does it come to anyone's, including the non-SHIELD government's
And only cause Stark told them about it
Who himself only knew about it because of Peter

8 years the Avengers have been active and the presence of these super weapons and alien tech hasn't raise any eye brows? Hasn't prompted a major investigation? That says a lot about how relatively harmless the sales of these weapons are compared to even normal crime rates

>>93773343
That's what gets me, is all these city-folk who think "Well if the jobs are disappearing just get a new one!" Because those chucklefucks have never been in a town that dried up after the one factory that employed 50% of the town left or had an elderly family member get cut from the job they've had for 2 decades and can't afford to go back to school or retrain for anything better than a Wal-mart greeter.

>>93773421
Oh, it is, you just can't run a society if everyone is chaotic. I like to consider myself CG, but I recognize that if everyone was CG then we'd still live in mudhuts. Lawful is a shit alignment, but it's useful for normies.

>>93767063
lol poorfags

>>93773427
They've been stealing stray guns and glider equipment, the equipment of the common rank-and-file aliens that are scattered around the place by the hundreds of thousands. That's a huge cry from stealing something as significant as an Arc Reactor. That's legitimately WMD-tier, and they were planning on taking a whole case of them.

>>93773381
LE is still reasonable and can be worked with for mutual gain. They'll fuck you over if they can get a better deal, but at least they won't be retards about it.

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>>93771410
>He was a careless, greedy asshole who tried to blackmail an arms dealer.

is that an accurate depiction of the shocker, then?

>>93773432
It's an issue with city people who fundamentally don't have empathy for people who live in the country or dried up suburbs.

I mean it's actually kind of hypocritical since a lot of the people from cities I know bitch about their rent and I say "go get a transfer to some bumfuck town out west or somewhere else on the Coast" and they refuse to give up their city life. They're so attached to their lifestyle and can't comprehend why anyone else would be

Incidentally, I prefer to live in cities too but that's for a separate reason entirely

>>93773445
The proper storyline is that the governing LG eventually descends into merely LN, and then NE manipulates the LN for it's own purposes, and then the CG vanquishes the NE and sets the LN on the path of LG again.

>>93773468
The average equipment of rank and file aliens seems to be on par with the basics of Stark and Avenger equipment, with a handful of exceptions

My point is that whatever the make or however they sell that stuff would likely have been mundane enough that it'd be indistinguishable from normal crime and the Avengers and Stark are not strapped for resources so it could be replaced with minimal damage to Stark's finances

Speaking of which, where does Stark get his money these days?

>>93773563
Cleaning up the messes they themselves make.

First five minutes of the movie guy.

>>93773432
I don't think it's meant dismissively, and obviously the situation sucks, but what else can you realistically do?

Automation of jobs isn't going to stop, it's only going to increase.

The only real answer to the problem is universal basic income but the same people who are being hurt by this problem will be told this is socialism and vote against it.

>>93767063
I just realized. He was speaking to Spider-Man saying stark doesn't care about us. But vulture clearly knows Peter parker worked with iron man.

>>93770792
>Republicans didn't do X
>but they did
>ya well so did the Democrats
>but that doesn't change the fact that the Republicans did X

>>93773590
But how would that work?
Who actually pays Stark to do that? The city government? The Feds?

Spider Noob

>>93773381

Yes, you're right. CE and CN are both unsustainable, self-destructive world-views and are therefor the worst alignments. LE is an alignment what would theoretically allow one to play with others (operate in a society) and yet >>93773277 you decided that was the worst one?

You're a fucking moron.

>>93773328
Compared to the us effectively forcing everyone to buy insurance. Yeah I'm sure they'd love a repeal

>>93773620
Universal basic income and forceful legislative interference regarding automation are the only two real options, aside of course from simply letting the effects of the depression take effect, the vast majority of people die, and things eventually right themselves when the population matches the current availability of jobs. Which I've genuinely seen some people advocate as the only actually feasible option.

>>93773302
A you're ignoring my point

>>93771525
He was rich, powerful and didn't cared about anyone, he was a hypocrite.

Vulture: Homebuilding is great MCU kino.

>>93773693
>simply letting the effects of the depression take effect, the vast majority of people die, and things eventually right themselves when the population matches the current availability of jobs
Isn't this the backstory of the Star Trek universe?

>>93768674
>shitty cgi
>shitty love interest
>terrorist plot hole
>not loyal to the source
>to much around Tony star industry to the point you an't say is not an Iron Man movie

Stop shilling bro

>>93768031
Great scene, its rare for a super heroe movie to portray the mc like that. Hes a freaking 15 year old begging to not die!

>>93773727
>didn't care about anyone
>family man and even let Parker go knowing he saved Liz
Nah. Also he wasn't a hypocrite. He didn't hate the rich or oppose the idea of some being successful and some being failures. He hated the world's hypocrisy regarding his situation, and he hated Stark because Toomes made his fortune doing literally the exact same thing Stark did only Toomes was doing it illegally SOLELY because Stark was working with the government making it illegal for anyone but Damage Control (joint operated by Stark) to have alien tech. He was angry the game was being rigged, he's not upset simply by the presence of winners and losers and he doesn't view the success in and of itself as wrong.

>>93773681
Forcing someone to buy a life saving product (or at least job saving) for some exorbitant price is preferable to not having that product and being caught in debt from an emergency or just dying from something slower.
It should be kept In mind that the ACA includes some pretty generous buffs to Medicaid, that's primarily what I'm referring to right now.

The ACA needs some serious work because it doesn't deal with the source of the exorbitant prices: the costs of medicine and procedures themselves, which are gouged more severely due to the benefit of 25 year long patents

>>93767063
>The rich and the powerful, like Stark, they don't care about us.
>ignore that stark almost sacrificed his life to stop an alien invasion
>that tony stark risked his life a dozen times to help civilians
>tony stark supported that law in civil war to protect citizens

Retarded as fuck, people overrate this shitty villain way too much

>>93773693
Well one of those options halts progress and the other means a fuckload of people fucking die, so I'm gonna keep hoping for universal basic income, as unlikely as it seems that the powers that be will ever allow it

>>93773769
Yeah and everything turns out well eventually, just not for the majority of people alive during the transition
The issue is that there's no winning with automation: it's the prisoners dilemma. Automation regulation only works if everyone's on the same page and it just takes one person to break that agreement and gain a considerable economic and potentially military benefit to upturn the order of the world

could MCU vulture even take on ironman?

>>93773846
>family man and even let Parker go knowing he saved Liz

Even Hittler and Osama cared about their families.

>>93773892
Stark very rarely risks his life anymore.
The Nuke was the only time and he got fucking PTSD from it
Most days he's got so many redundancies and precautions put in place that he's never in any real danger

He also support the Sokovia accords to sate his own guilt

I just realized Marvel did pull any synergy and promote a big Vulture story right now.

I mean I'm pretty sure Toomes is like 80 years old and crippled by Otto but still I'm fucking shocked.

>>93773892
>Tony Stark builds an army of terminator bots and gets 60,000+ people killed, and also destroys a small country
>Tony Stark enters into a monopolistic agreement with the government in which he's the only one allowed to (make profits) clean up alien tech, shutting out the little guy

>>93773936
Also Tony was a family man as well and vulture knew that

>>93773909
Not even a little.

>>93773936
Hence why, despite being an antagonist, he was still a complex human being with good and bad qualities

The measure of people, particularly in fiction, is not just their actions but their motivations

>>93771148
>kills another supposed little guy for threatening to tell the police about his highly illegal arms dealing operation
In Vulture's defense he was only trying to use the anti gravity gun which probably would have made him float into the air for a little while, kind of trapped in the rafters

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>>93773909
Him and his five friends can.

>>93772646
Because a Sinister Six in the vein of Superior Foes would be fucking amazing?

>>93773848
You're not only forcing them to buy it but to buy it for someone else as well and even then you don't adequately end up paying for it so you have a shitty product that gets rationed. The problem with your point is that you feel to force this into people because you feel that you know better which you dont

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>>93773784
>to much around Tony star industry to the point you an't say is not an Iron Man movie
I'm getting tired of this complaint, it's Marvel Studios getting to work with their biggest character ever since they sold the film rights twenty years ago, they're going to make damn well sure the dumb general audience associates it with their multibillion franchise instead of whatever shit Sony was making up until now.

>>93773993
I got the sense that he was willing to attack that guy for threatening to sell out the rest of the operation.
I wager Vulture hired most of the guys he used to work with to help with this Weapons operation, so he's willing to scare one asshole to protect everyone else

>>93774028
>it being a rational thing to do from a strictly business/branding standpoint means it was also good for the quality of the movie

>>93773999
How would Mysterio even work on screen?

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>>93771212
And that's before he was an arms dealer that sold weapons to dictators and war criminals like Klaw.

>>93773723
How?

>>93773475
Okay, I know where our disagreement is coming from. You're talking about which is the best from an actual player character perspective, and I'm equating the alignment to real life.

>>93774018
Basic healthcare doesn't need to be rationed given how cheap it is to produce most off-patent drugs and resources.

I don't actually like the ACA that much as a Libertarian but I find it abhorrent that the GOP would repeal it before they have a plan on how to get the X million number of poor people onto basic healthcare. It's ridiculous to say the free market will take care of it when so many abuses of the market and system exist un-dealt with by local and federal politicians

Even if a particular bar is weak in rock climbing, you don't disconnect until you have a better one

>>93774083
By sidestepping the fact that their product costs and sales tax mitigate that their tale home pay is higher. You are aware that other taxes aside from income tax exist right?

>>93773620
I don't know the answer either. I'm not saying they're right for voting that way, just that (as someone who grew up in rural areas) I understand why they did it.

>>93773988
>Hence why, despite being an antagonist, he was still a complex human being with good and bad qualities
Caring about someone don't make him anymore complex than any other villain.
>Bane cared about his adopted daughter to the point of almost sacrifice his own life
>Loki wanted his father approval
>Darth Vader loved his wife and children

That's nothing more than an normal villain trait.

>>93773630
>also doesn't change the fact that Democrats did X
>both sides are evil and if you pick one you're part of the problem

>>93774069
And also seems incapable of thinking for himself, despite how smart he is.
He's a largely reactive person who doesn't like to be questioned, despite realizing that he isn't the smartest or strongest man to defend the world was the whole message of Iron Man 2, or how being an extremist reactionary is unhealthy which was the message of Iron Man 3

>>93774168
Show me when Democrats did anything as anti-consumer as defunding public education and ending net neutrality

>>93773662
One dude with a gun is easy to take down. A million nazis is really fucking hard. Read a fucking history book.

>>93774135
If you think the solution to problems is more government and you don't trust the free market then you're not a Libertarian. Get an honest label.

>>93773727
He's a *vulture.* He's eating the same meat as the rich and powerful, he's just going about it a different way. He saw nothing wrong with benefiting from the same shit that made Tony powerful, he just wanted a piece of the pie.

>>93773769
It's the backstory for the Soviet Union

>>93774153
He cared about his family, he hated Stark for being such an insensitive and careless fuck despite emulating his weapons sales practices.
He cared about his workers, despite being willing to attack one for them sake of the rest of them
He lets Peter go from the car after finding out who he is, despite how much money Peter had cost him up to that point, realizing Peter was just trying to do the right thing

>>93773078
On the ferry. Toomes was out of his suit, walking around.

>>93773848
I like how the supreme court bent over backwards to not consider it a tax or whatever it was they did to make that part legal.

>>93773950
>>93773963
And how that change the fact that isntead of running away he choose to give his own life to save others isntead of running away like everyone else was doing?

Saying that Stark the guy that risked his life more than anyone to help others don't care is retarded.

>>93774215
I think you need a fully capitalist system (one that properly sets up a free market) or a fully socialist one. I'm a libertarian but it'd be naive to treat healthcare like it's just another product. It qualitatively has aspects that make normal market principles much trickier to apply to it

>>93773909
Can an irl vulture take on a bird of prey?

>>93773936
Stalin didn't, which shows what a fucking monster he was.

>all the restrictions Marvel had to work with due to the deal with Sony
>all the characters and films we'll never see because Sony is insistent on making their own stupid spinoffs like the Aunt May standalone shit and similar
>all of the progress Ike held back with his pettiness and lunacy

We'll never see Venom in the MCU. How many more Sony films will have to flop before they share all the rights anyway? It's going to be too late.