Underrated Movies and Directors

>>93757943
I guarantee no one on /co/ has ever heard or seen this work of art

>>93757943
>American Pop

Underrated as a film, but not as a work of animation.

If you're going to film the entire thing as a live action movie and then rotoscope it, then what's the point? The animation was an afterthought; a gimmick.

>>93758026
And MoCap is any better?

Tony was a piece of shit.

I have never heard of this movie in my life, but I'm about to go watch it now. Better be good, anon.

I'd like to nominate The Last Unicorn as one of the best underrated animated movies of all time. I didn't appreciate it as a child, but watching it as an adult is a whole different experience.

>>93758199
If you liked A Scanner Darkly and An American Tail, you'll like American Pop.

>>93758159
He was sadly a product of his upbringing. No dad, and his mom moved on to somebody else and had another person's kids. He grew up an afterthought.

>>93758326
His dad was retarded too.

>>93758326
Benny getting killed in WWII was actually sad to see.

>>93758381
How so?

>>93758381
His dad was a patriot who wanted to protect his home and family.

>>93758399
Setting down his gun and playing a piano in the middle of war.

>>93758412
He literally said he was going because he liked the hat, unless he was just being a wiseass.

>>93758429
Dude liked music and thought the place was cleared. You spend so long in hell like that, I could understand falling to temptation of a moment's reprieve.

>>93758495
The smallest distraction in between battles can be a morale booster

>>93758199
Wasn't The Last Unicorn written by the same guy who wrote for the animated LOTR movie?

>>93758026
MoCap is far lazier than rotoscoping due to how quickly MoCap can be done. Rotoscoping takes months and possibly years to do.

Ralph Bakshi is truly one of the greats

>>93758931
Admit it: the sequel to Fritz the Cat was actually subpar

>>93758439
Of course he was being a wise ass, sarcasm was a large part of his character.
He wanted to go because he felt unfulfilled sitting around home playing music when there was a war going on, like he said "this isn't work, it's play"

>>93758965
he didn't make that one in any way.

>>93759061
I remember a significant part of his character also being an autistic kid that seldom spoke at the start.

>>93758965
A movie Bakshi was in no way involved with.

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>>93757943
Most of these. Probably just exclude Don Bluth and his movies on here, which are properly highly rated, and Gore Verbinski and Wes Anderson, who as I understand it are properly highly rated as directors even if their movies on here are still underrated.

Kinda nice that having the directors listed on here has paid off for once.

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>>93757985

>>93759798
Fucking lil shit...

>>93759768
>tfw finding a steam or torrent of The Tragedy of Man in english is nearly impossible

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>>93758668
It was done by the same guys who did the animated Hobbit movie.

And they also did those stop motion rudolph the red nosed reindeer and such christmas specials.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankin/Bass_Productions

>>93759768
>Thief and the Cobbler

Such an absolute clusterfuck.

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>>93759827
>in english

Wait, is there a dub in existence or do you mean the sub?

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>>93759768
But especially Jankovics.

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Images of this film are misleading. It's actually 90% stop motion and puppetry, and therefore /co/.

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>>93759876
Pretty though.

>>93760081
Pretty but an utter clusterfuck during production. FFS Vincent Price passed away DURING the production of this movie and it still felt unfinished. It's the Duke Nukem Forever of kids movies

Also, I'm surprised NOBODY has even mentioned Dirty Duck.

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Hands down, my all time favorite movie, seen it fifty plus times, Always catch a subtle dark joke I miss Everytime I watch it

>>93758245
I'd recommend Waking Life, but that's more of a philosophy film

American pop is incredible, i love it so much, the way he tells thebstory througj generations...amazing

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>>93759768
>Triplets of Belleville by Silvain Chomet

>>93760252
I see this is a patrician thread. Let me go get a fine scotch to imbibe in fellow sirs

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This has to be the most high brow and patrician thread on /co/

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See filename.

Not a feature length film, though.

>>93760408
I read that in his voice.

>>93760606
So half asleep and without using any effort?

>>93757943
I remember when they used to air this from time to time in my country, good stuff

>>93759927
Sub

>>93760029
Faust is another one of his works and it's absolutely fantastic, and filled with puppetry and claymation.
The way he uses Mephistopheles is absolutely amazing, the idea that he sculpts his own face to match whoever he's talking to is just top-tier.

>>93757943
Overrated.

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>>93760722
Damn.

>>93760794
I see we have a pleb with shit taste

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>>93760131
Would you still say that Richard Williams is an underrated director?

>>93760356
On the subject of excellent animated cinema, who here enjoyed the congress as me and my friend? I have to argue that It's at least on par with Waltz with Bashir despite being completely different in genre and style.

>>93760794
If you have issues with the movie, than it'd be prudent to mention your specific criticisms and how they negatively impact the film. Otherwise you're not really adding to the discussion, now are you?

>>93760963
For his vision, yes he's underrated. But execution was, again, a clusterfuck.

>>93761031
Just ignore him, he's but a mere pleb with shit tastes.

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>>93760979
meant to say "as much as my friend and I"

>>93760029
Svankmajer fuck yeah

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>>93760979
It's my number one "in case I ever need to show something to a normie that appreciates good film but thinks animation is exclusively for children" film.

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I feel bad for Henry Selick getting screwed over by the hot topic scene kids all assuming his stopmotion movies were directed by Tim Burton.

>>93758907

You could probably do rotoscoping faster now with computers. Just because something is inefficient doesn't make it markedly superior.

>>93757985

Goodnight from Kansas, anon.

>>93760963

No, a good director has to turn in a good finished product. If his reach constantly exceeds his grasp, then he needs to learn to dial it back a bit.

>>93760766
I'll have to check that out.

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>>93759768
I think Kanashimi no Belladonna (ENG: The Tragedy of Belladonna or Belladonna of Sadness depending on who you ask) is technically an anime, but I think it should be on the list. It inspired some of the greatest anime directors and it's such a ride to watch. It's incredibly unique, very dark themes though. After being only available in potato quality for years, some company finally decided to restore the movie. I'm not sure if there's a torrent up for that, though. If you want something artsy, dark, and beautiful, I highly recommend it.

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>>93763083
I've heard very good things and I do intend to get around to seeing it.

But, no, I'm afraid I won't be adding it to the image. If I were to start putting in anime then I'd might as well make an entire image of just anime. Which I don't think I need to because /a/ has already made dozens of images like that.

You assholes didn't tell me American Pop was going to make me cry.

Actual spoilers under the spoiler. Tony tucking Frankie in when they were carrying her out killed me.

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>>93757943
>Expect Bakshi's usual romp of crazy over the top visuals, cartoonish character in ungodly dark situations, etc.
>Get an absolutely heart wrenching emotional roller coast
Shit was too good, I wasn't ready for it dammit

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>>93763714
Don't worry, anon, I've got just the film to cheer you up and make you feel better. It's about dogs, like Homeward Bound or 101 Dalmatians.

>>93763803
Did we just decide to watch the movie at the same time? I just finished it (I'm >>93763714 had to pause and take a breather before moving on). It was so good. I cannot believe I went my whole life without even hearing about this movie. It was amazing. You know sometimes you watch or read something and you finish it and you just feel honored to have had the privilege of being able to experience that? That's American Pop.

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>>93760722
I have the sub and I really liked it

you can buy it on youtube though if you are willing

>>93764048
Nah, watched it years ago actually, but god damn if it didn't leave an impression, honestly one of Bakshi's best works imo (though I am also quite fond of Coonskin)

>>93764048
I strongly suggest you take a look and see if anything else on this list >>93759768 interests you if you ever need something to watch in the future.

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Also did any of you folks see the red turtle. I genuinely think this will remembered as a hidden gem in the future.

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>>93760131
>FFS Vincent Price passed away DURING the production of this movie and it still felt unfinished
Why did you have to remind me we no longer live in the same world as Vincent Price?

>>93764152
Thank you, anon! I will definitely do that.

Side note, but I can't believe The Hobbit animated movie is so unknown. I remember forcing my family to watch it with me so often that to this day we still make references to some of the songs. The Kroger VHS bin was always full of gems.

>>93764097
Have you ever considered, maybe... Uploading a mega?

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>>93763066

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>>93759927
>>93760801
>>93764097
How did they manage to make Satan such a bro in this?

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Highly underrated.

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Corto has bunch of good adaptations

>>93764894
Because Satan understand's man's torment as they live through time. He understand's the protagonist's desire to truly separate himself from god by being his own individual in this giant uncaring universe. Satan also understands that Humanity is imperfect, and that's what makes it such a unique and wonderful species, as friendly and polite as Human can be, they can also be as cruel and abominable towards each other. The film is Man's journeys, dealing with ways he can rise above god in some form, whether through monuments and great deeds, or by simple being a good person to others and indulging, to the end of it just giving up and wishing for a better society, until at least they enter the far future where all is snow and ice.

Kinda kills the end a bit for me that the reconciliation between God, Satan, and Man is "Just deal with it, your wife is preggo so stop being a bitch and deal with shit sucking."

>>93757943
For a drug dealer, he was a pretty cool guy. Very professional dude that never gave up on his dreams

>>93763803
This is why i have it on my all time favorites and must watch lists. It's like An American Tail only with a deeper and longer story that spans generations

>>93764196
Wow. We just hit the obscure part of /co/ now. I might check this movie out

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>>93764196
WHAT THE FUCK ANON?!

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>>93764221
what are you talking about he showed up in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story™

>>93766233
>Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
OP here. Kindly GTFO. This is for only the highest of patrician tastes.

>>93765177
>Satan understand's man's

>>93765177
I mostly agree with this bar the assertion that man was shown to rise above god. Adam himself asks god if humanity could ever "draw nigh thy throne". Also, I feel like not every act was about getting close to god. Egypt was about becomeig a god of sorts but Rome was about hedonism for instance

>>93763083
An amazing film & I'm glad I saw it but holy shit I don't think I can sit through it again.

>>93764221
>He was cremated and his ashes scattered off Point Dume in Malibu, California.
He's still with us, anon. Just in another form. He's with all of us now.

>>93765158
Corto Maltese in Siberia is the only one that's any good in my opinion. The others have shit animation quality. Goddamn, this is such an under exploited property. God bless Hugo Pratt.

>>93757943
Ralph Bakshi is in no way underrated, everyone knows about him

>>93759768
definitely seconding Persepolis. I had to watch and read it for my 6th form English class, the original graphic novel and the film are both great.

>>93763083
I'm so glad this film is finally getting the audience and recognition it deserves. Picked up the blu-ray last year and my God is it gorgeous.

>>93768045
Yeah through Fritz the Cat and Cool World. But not too many people know of his other works

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Just finished watching Tower on Netflix. It's a documentary about the Texas university shooting and it shows how rotoscope can really take you into a moment. Highly recommend it. Most of it is rotoscoped actors recreating the day and young people are reading the transcripts of the actual victims. It's pretty chilling.

>>93768754
You hooked me at rotoscope anon

>>93763220
wow so much moeblob in that list, not sure if bait

>>93757985
It's a tough movie to enjoy from a story perspective

>>93763220
>Putting Boogiepop in a list with Evangelion

I should beat the unholy shit out of you.

>>93768829
It's a deep and moving story that spans through an immigrant family's multiple generations.

>>93759768
Kirikou and the Sorceress (watched it as a kid), Coraline and Kubo were great, magic suit and unforgetable.

Rango and Fantastic Mr Fox are just awesome, funny and subtle, a little weird moments but in a unique way that make both stand out

>>93768856
I'm biased. I just think everybody in that family were making stupid decisions throughout

>>93759080
>>93759148

I think that's Anon's point

>>93768949
That's the thing though: no one's family is perfect. We've all made mistakes and man in general is an imperfect species. I personally don't enjoy a story about a perfect family with no worries. I honestly prefer seeing a family that has made bad mistakes. It makes it more believable and relatable.

>>93769038
Yea, I don't want to see a sitcom family but there's no one whose story I really wanted to follow here except maybe the blonde bastard rockstar/drug dealer

>>93769295
Honestly Tony was a rude fucker

>>93757943
Glad to see this as a post, although, despite the climactic ending that ends on a high note, this movie was overall very depressing. Which, I suppose was the point.

>>93766050
It got an oscar nomination.

Now, if you want obscure, maybe try Padak.

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>>93770663
Damn, forgot my image.

>>93770542
Honestly it was an emotional roller coaster throughout but the ending was very touching and well deserved.

>>93757943
Fleischer: Mr. Bug Goes to Town
The most underrated animated film in history imo.
The film was capable of competing with the Disney golden-era films.
Just too bad the film didn't age well.


Ghibli: Ponyo
The most underrated Miyazaki film imo.
Ponyo is a bit difficult to fully understand, since the story is filled with metaphors, but nonetheless I like the film.
Disney USA and John Lasseter really did a class-act job for producing Miyazaki films in the US.


Disney: Lion King
It really gets me triggered when I search about Lion King on internet, because I always get this shitty meme "a rip-off of Tezuka".
Literally the bullshitest thing I've ever seen, and I feel Lion King still doesn't get enough credit because of this.
I've spent a fuckton of time to refute Tezuka fags on internet, my fight is still going on.


Pixar: Toy Story 2
I know TS2 is often considered a filler between 1 and 3, but the film is still great.
TS2 is pure underrated.


Toei: Galaxy Express 999 (I)
The most underrated anime film in history imo.
The art, the story, the music, everything is legit.
The only problem is the film looks old as fuck.
Same goes for "The Castle of Cagliostro" and "Aim for the Ace".

>>93770752
>Mr. Bug Goes to Town

I like the movie a lot and it feels a lot more Fleischer than Gulliver's Travels with the New York setting and everything but it is still missing that something extra special.

>>93763220
Plz add Prison School and Golden Boy to the list of comedies.

>>93757985
I seen Fritz the Cat and Coonskin, the former was an enjoyable watch while the later felt like a animated movie that was only half finished with an nonsensical story.

As wild as the movie is Fritz the ct is quite interesting and and from what I read on wikipedia the stuff from behind the scenes alot of thought was put into the film

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Not a cartoon, but a childhood favorite (aside from the animal cruelty shit).

>>93771056
I remember watching this as a little kid and having no idea that all of the voices were the same guy.

>>93771036
Fritz the Cat was a product of it's time ie the 70's. It took all the political, racial, and social tensions and set it in an animated anthropomorphic world which oddly was fun to watch.

>>93771036
For a satire movie it was really well done. Shame we'll never get satire that good ever again due to the absurd political correctness.

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>>93770752
>Lion King
>underrated

It is incredibly highly rated. Only basement dwellers even know about Kimba and the controversy in the first place, most normies think TLK is one of the best most recognizable movies ever. If anything it's overrated.

If you want to complain about the Tezuka controversy, it's really a very separate matter. It hardly affects TLK's overall rating at all. You'd might as well get upset that TLK reputation is "tainted" by all the deviantart furry porn, for how much it actually matters. Which is silly.

Personally I think it's undeniable that The Lion King drew at least certain inspirations and elements from Kimba the White Lion, but I also don't think it's worth getting any panties in a twist over.

I'd say that out of Disney the most underrated movie would be at least one of the package era movies, which are more or less completely unknown. At the very least some of the individual segments in them deserve a lot more credit, like Mickey and the Beanstalk.

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>>93768837
>>93770995
>post an example of an image that I'm talking about which I did not make
>don't even endorse the image
>expressly state that I didn't make the image I'm posting
>anons respond to the post as though I made and endorse the image

Every fucking time.

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This movie at least deserves a "it was okay" but it's the one I've seen the least talked about from its director.

>>93772934
Never been a fan of his style, but my cousins love kirikou

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This could very well pass for a Studio Ghibli film.

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> Posting the most high-brow animated films

> Nobody has already posted anything about Yuri Norstein

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>>93771882
Some of them didn't age well or were incredibly interesting imo, but in that era there was the Claire de Lune short, which was very good

>>93758495
I loved that moment, especially when the other soldier did that thing and said that thing.

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An utterly adorabobble film that needs more love. Just be sure to watch it subbed; the official English dub is seriously meh.