>Marvel is so incompetent at making villains that their "best

>>93727938
Tony did everything wrong

>>93727969
Tony is the true villain of the marvel universe.

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>Rich narracistic asshole who screws his best friends over, creates killer robots, and lays off honest hardworking citizens
>Privleged kid who lets his friends down and destroys families
>The heroes


>Honest hardworking family man
>The villain

What did Marvel mean by this?

How is it possible that every single new Marvel movie makes it even more obvious that Tony is the biggest villain of the MCU?

>>93728183
They either hate Tony and they're trying their best to subtly make him look like a prick or they love him so they just hamfist him into everything, making him look like a prick because he's basically behind everything whether he meant to or not.

>>93727938
Antagonist doesn't always equal villain, my dude.

>>93728125
The only reason Vulture even became a villain is because Stark went around screwing over small business owners, instead of just subcontracting work to them and having a few supervisors make sure they weren't taking Alien tech.

It's fucked that Tony destroys places and then awards the department he controls the contracts to clean them up.

>>93728408
>It's fucked that Tony destroys places and then awards the department he controls the contracts to clean them up.
Hence why Vulture did nothing wrong.

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>>93727938

It is funny because this is the second bird super villain he has played and third character that is based on a flying creature.

Who would win, Vulture or Falcon?

>>93728438
Plus the guys that Tony employed were assholes.

It's not "overextending" yourself if you have a signed contract. Apparently no compensation was even offered. Fuck Tony Stark. Vulture had a sense of honour and refused to turn on Peter because he saved his life. Tony would've turned Pete in if he was in the same position.

>>93728278
i guess it was only a matter of time before movie iron man turned into comic iron man

>>93728552
>Tony would've turned Pete in if he was in the same position.

Oh, not Tony. Happy maybe.

>>93728551
Vulture.

Falcon is just a black dude in a wing pack, Vulture is decked out with shittons of alien tech based gear made by the Tinkerer.

>>93728551
Vulture is still just a guy in a coat so he gets shot by anyone with half decent aim.

He did try to straight up murder Spidey a few times.

>>93728685
Only because Spidey aka a masked man picked a fight with him. If he didn't protect himself then who would provide for his family?

>>93727938
He did plenty wrong, but he was not a "evil" for the sake of evil/some grand scheme or mustache twirling. He just wanted to make money and take care of his family. When he finally had the chance to kill Peter, he decided nah, I'm in this for the money. Not for getting blood on "my hands."

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>>93728558
Superior Iron Man RDJs swan song?

>>93727938
Honestly: if he flew under the radar for 8 fucking years, he really couldn't have done anything too high-profile. On the other hand, if he never really did, it could mean his group mostly targeted small shops and not the big corporations owned by the 1% that allegedly fucked him over.

>>93728552
>Plus the guys that Tony employed were assholes.
Tony didn't employ them, the government did.

While is certainly seems dodgy that Tony might be getting paid to clean up, the important thing is that all that tech gets off the streets as soon as possible. Tony wasn't keeping it. The government was. The shit Toomes was doing was exactly the kind of shit they were trying to avoid. Just because Tony is a fucking dick and Toomes was a character you could be sympathetic to does not make him right.

>>93727969
Is Tony secretly Thanos' greatest weapon?

>>93728723
>If he didn't protect himself then who would provide for his family?

That house was expensive as fuck. That wasn't "providing" that was building a fortune. He decided that having that jag was worth putting bombs in the hands of criminals and worth tossing people into lakes while they were all tied up.

He's a bad guy.

>>Blue Collar villains
Probably voted for Trump. They deserve worst. They deserve to be forced to work for nothing for the rest of their lives.

>>93728861
>Not wanting to give your kin the best possible things in life

Are you even a man?

>>93727938
Dude was stealing alien tech and selling it to criminals.

The fact that you can entirely see where he's coming from and sympathize with the guy makes him a better villain. The best villains aren't cackling cartoonish ones. They're the ones who end up in a bad place because of circumstances.

>>93728125
>Privileged kid
The only privelege he had was getting bit by the spider, otherwise he lives in a shit apartment in overcrowded New York with both parents dead

>>93729054
>Hot liberal aunt who lets him do whatever the fuck he wants
>Gets handouts from a CEO
>Goes to a private school

Parker is privileged.

>>93728971
>Are you even a man?

Prison is full of people who thought providing for their family meant putting other families in danger. And they belong there.

>>93729091
Midtown is a public school.

>>93728677
Shush you, no one likes when you point out that in 95% if scenarios most street level supers would just get shot.

>>93729091
Magnet schools are still public schools.

>>93729091
>Parker is privileged.
No wonder I didn't like him. He's not a underdog now that he has Uncle Moneybags in his corner giving him the best of everything.

>>93727938
>all antagonists must be mega-robo-satan-hitler and can't be written as realistic people

>>93728463
Birdman was a villain?

>>93727938
>>93728125
>>93728408

In any other movie, Adrian Toomes and his crew would be the heroes. They're working class people whose only crime is wanting to live. Boo hoo Peter can't get onto the super special secret police that overstep their boundaries and kick those who are already down.
Fuck Peter and Tony, Toomes was right.

>>93729131
>He wouldn't do anything for his family

I hope you never have kids

>>93727938
but he sold dangerous weapons and tried to kill spiderman

>>93729381
anon has just been brainwashed to accept that it's okay to break the law if you're rich enough to buy the legal system, but if you do it for family or loved ones you're suddenly Mao Zedong.

>>93729375
>In any other movie, Adrian Toomes and his crew would be the heroes
Minus a bit of attempted murder, they really would be. They've got the Oceans Eleven thing going strong.

>>93729381
>I hope you never have kids

The feeling is mutual. I hope you never have kids because apparently you think that you can do whatever you want to to have an expensive car after you make one.

>let's put laser blasters in the hands of guys like Gargan that might just blow up if they use them next to a microwave but it's cool, because I really want to drop my daughter off at school in a Jaguar.

>I'm a parent and that means I can do whatever I want.

>I need my bad guys to be really really bad!

>>93729484
>I don't care if the heroes are shit eating rich kids who get off on beating up people trying to put food on the table.

What is his logic even
>Better put myself and my family at risk by doing dangerous crime to earn money, even though I already live in a mansion
>But it's okay cause it's all about familuh
He even murdered without a second thought

he's the worst part about SM:HM desu

the car scene was alright though

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>>93729435
>tfw no Vulture gang movie where they BTFO spiderboy and Iron Dad, even if they don't kill them.
Fuck, I feel so robbed. That's the movie I want to see.

>>93729537
>beating up people trying to put food on the table.

I love how you guys have to pretend that he's starving when we all saw his house in the movie.

Dude could have used his tech to walk into any bank on the planet but he just has to arm complete dipshits with death ray guns that randomly explode to feed his poor children in his easily over 700,000 dollar house.

>Being a parent is hard, guys.

>>93729575
t. corporate apologist
It wasn't a fucking mansion, it was a middle class house. And he was going to lose it and be out on the street because Tony stole what he devoted his entire life too.

>>93728125
>selling weapons to murderes
>honest
ye okay

>>93729653
He could have just sold the suit to HYDRA and earn enough to retire for life.

>>93729659
What kind of fucking middle class house is 80% glass windows?

>>93729653
And how was he going to KEEP his house if Tony Stark stole his source of income?

>>93727938
He murdered one of his henchmen.

>>93729763
Oh silly me I forgot the part where Toomes says, "Golly Petey-o, my house 80% glass windows." It wasn't fucking 80% glass windows, he just had a few nice windows.

>>93729764
He didn't deserve a house that nice in the fucking first place. It's payed for through blood money.

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>>93727938
>didn't even do anything wrong

bullshit! bullshit!

He disintegrated The Shocker

>>93729820
>poor people should learn their place and take whatever rich people do lying down.
He wouldn't have fucking needed blood money if Tony hadn't fucked him in the ass and stole his livelihood.
>>93729838
Shocker was never going to fucking happen anyways. So no, he didn't disintegrate the Shocker he disintegrated disposable mook number who gives a shit.

>>93729793
>>93729838
He thought it was the anti gravity gun though.

>>93729820
>It's payed for through blood money.

Isn't the entire Stark fortune (up until he starts playing with Arc Reactor energy) based in govt defense contracts?

>>93729820
>muh blood money meme
Fuck off. If you sell food to someone and that someone kills someone afterwards, does it make you responsible since you sustained him?
Though he'd be better off selling drugs. Idiots who poison themselves deserve everything that's coming to them.

>>93729575
>He even murdered without a second thought

That was an accident.

>>93729892
>he lost his job so it's ok for him to become a super villain
Can't you just find a new job that doesn't involve anything illegal? I know it's not easy but sometimes life gives you a tough break.

>>93729909
It was. Past tense.

>>93729912
The difference being that people don't normally kill one another with loaves of bread.

But sure, sell illegally obtained weapons to known criminal associates on the assumption that they're using them to build orphanages or whatever the fuck.

>>93729993
would ur reaction to accidentally murdering someone be
>woops

>>93729621
Fuck you bitch, now you made me want it too. Mysterio's practical effects studio gets shut down , everyone uses startech hologram technology and cgi.

>>93729661
Does that mean any business owner who sells a gun to someone who may or may not commit a crime with it is a bad guy?

>>93728551

Falcon's better a quick maneuvers and changing direction, Vulture's got way more power, is better at sustained flight and can hover for long periods. Falcon's wings are bulletproof, Vulture's are too and he can manipulate them as cutting objects with surprising dexterity. Falcon's wings don't have a power source that explodes if you point a microwave at it. Vulture definitely has the advantage in a close quarters fight with his knife wings and his hydraulic talons, but Falcon's easily the better actual hand to hand combatant. His Redwing drone also gives him something of an edge in a pinch.

I'd say Falcon's the still better flyer of the two but Vulture has a few more years experience with his own equipment than he does. I don't think Toomes was confirmed to be former Air Force but that was the impression I got from him going on about "fighting THEIR wars", a guy who was in Desert Storm or something as a pilot before he left the armed forces and became a construction worker.

Falcon's a Quinjet, Vulture's a Helicarrier basically. Whoever wins depends on the nature of the fight.

>>93728551
Vulture would fuck his shit up no contest

>>93729993
and then didn't give it a second thought

>>93729820
I bet you think ever 1%er deserves everything they have huh?

>>93730002
He's an old fucking man who has been doing salvaging all his fucking life, and you wanna tell him tough shit look elsewhere? Is he supposed to fucking going back to school and spend a shit ton of money and time on a degree while he has a family depending on him? Flipping burgers isn't going to keep them i their home. The man was desperate.

Okay, okay gentlemen. How do we meme a sinister-six ocean's-eleven styled movie into reality?

>>93730041
if they're illegally selling illegal weapons to people they know intend to use them for crimes, yes

>>93729892
I appreciate that Tony once again creates a supervillain by making massive, sweeping changes that he thinks will help people while not considering the opinions of the people he's forcing the changes on.

>>93730082
No, I don't. Vulture is just more transparently evil than the rest.

>>93730024
Doesn't change the fact it was an accident.

>if u shoot have to shoot at anyone, shoot at me
>okay
>black guy points the gun at spider man for like 3 second without shooting
?????

>>93730080
Still an accident.

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>>93730118
> Vulture is just more transparently evil than the rest.

>>93730106
>who has been doing salvaging all his fucking life
That's a very useful skill which would look good on a resume. This dude's got tons of experience, he'll land on his feet. Fuck, he could've just tried to work for Damage Control himself.

You cannot come up with any reasonable excuse for him.

>>93730080
He was already dead and was just about to fuck up the whole operation, why would Toomes cry about it?

>>93728125
>This scene never happens in the movie
I feel cheated

>>93729912
>If you sell food to someone and that someone kills someone afterwards

...The dude was selling weapons to crooks that could blow up buildings. lol. Dude. Come on.

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>>93730027
GOD DAMNIT ANON!
WE WILL NEVER GET THIS MOVIE, WHY, FUCKING WHY!?

>>93730274
go back

>>93730112
>Tony once again creates a supervillain by making massive

Dude could have, you know, wandered down to Damage Control and put in his resume since he was good at figuring out alien shit, but nope: selling death rays to murderers is the only way for him to eat. lol

>>93730232
But he's old too. Of course they're not going to hire him. They could hire younger people instead and they'll demand less, because they don't have lots of experience. Besides it didn't look like they were hiring, since they were just told to fuck off.

>>93730054
>>I'd say Falcon's the still better flyer of the two but Vulture has a few more years experience with his own equipment than he does

The movie only says that 8 years passed between Toomes losing the contract to clean up Chtauri tech and the airport battle of Civil War. For all we know, Vulture's only had his wingsuit for 2 of those years while they did R&D.

Meanwhile, afaik the movies occur in real time except for the obvious timeskips and montages, so Hulk happened in 2008, Avengers in 2012, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If that's the case, then Falcon has had at least two years as Falcon, between WS and CW, plus however many he had before that as a paratrooper

Anyway Vulture would win. He's just got more destructive output and more tricks. He could easily take advantage of Falcon's maneuverability to lure him into a box and trap him there like with Peter. Then he'd just disintegrate him.

Bank robbery is a crime people.

>>93730317
>Besides it didn't look like they were hiring, since they were just told to fuck off.
I don't think those are the same people who are in charge of hiring. That wasn't the Damage Control HR department if you catch my drift.

But alright, let's say they wouldn't hire him. He's still got all kinds of technical/mechanical experience. There's just gotta be a fucking job for this guy out there.

>>93730027
>Norman Osborn has a psychotic breakdown because Stark drives him out of buisiness
>Kraven's show rating has plummeted because people just want to watch the Avengers fight aliens not some washed up russkie killing crocodiles with his bare hands
>Otto Octavius has to resort to doing experiments in a basement because no one wants to invest in his tech because Stark is around

>>93730375
Yet Ocean's eleven is a movie and we root for Clooney.

>>93730443
Just because he was likable doesn't mean what they did wasn't a crime. They even get arrested in the 2nd one.

>>93730443
Congratulations, you just figured out how movies work.

>>93730317
>But he's old too. Of course they're not going to hire him.

yeah, companies just hate hiring supervisors for supervisory positions that know what they're doing. Meanwhile those of us with jobs know that this dude probably would have had a slam dunk resume had he not, you know, assaulted the dude who apparently worked there.

>>93730436
Yes, yes, yes.

Good. Very good.

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>>93729895

Does the anti gravity gun mean Agents of SHIELD is canon? Only MCU instance of a gravity powered guy that I am aware of

also, where the hell did the purple shit that lets them phase through walls come from? The Chitauri weren't doing anything like that, nor were the Asgardians or Ultron or anyone that I can remember

I think this movie is implying there is all kind of other shit going on

>>93730458
No one says Vulture didn't commit crimes. They say he's rootable.

>>93730501
>The Chitauri weren't doing anything like that, nor were the Asgardians or Ultron or anyone that I can remember
Cool, so you're saying Iron man didn't fly into a wormhole to deliver a Nuke during Avengers? Because that's fucking news to me

>>93730469
He was fucking robbed and they didn't compensate him for it. Of course he was angry, the man lashed out and now being a villain was the only way.

>>93730518
>"best villain" didn't even do anything wrong

Are you simple? OP's post says he didn't do anything wrong.

>>93730546
The tesseract wormhole was very different from the matter phase shifter. One is a tunnel through space and the other makes solid shit not solid anymore temporarily.

>>93730546
That was completely different tech, and also one machine from the top of stark tower

Plus passing through walls is a bit different than tearing massive wormholes through space

>>93730585
>are you simple?
are you? People don't always speak literally.
>did nothing wrong
usually means
>is the more likeable guy in the situation

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>>93730546

I don't think Toomes and his Tinkerer had an Infinity Stone

>>93729793
That was more manslaughter than it was murder.

>>93730614
>usually means

No, it doesn't.

>>93730501
What the fuck does Gravitron have to do with a gun made out of alien/human tech, made by the Tinkerer?

>>93730041
Oh yeah, they totally were just selling legally sanctioned weapons to people they had no idea would use their products for illegal reasons.

Any business owner who sold a gun to someone who expressed the desire to commit a crime with it (or gave off severe warning signs) would be in legal trouble.

>>93729131
That isn't true though, most people in prison are just gang members and drug dealers and shit

>>93730607
>>93730598
it's really not. He puts one wormhole on side a of the wall and the other wormhole on side b of the wall.

>>93730622
But there was a fuckton of debris from the machine that Loki and Selvig built to harness the tesseract energy, so there's that

>>93730696
Why do you think people sell drugs and become gang members?

>>93730659

I'm just saying nobody in Feige's movies had a gravity-manipulation power or tech to my knowledge

I'm just looking for the answers

unless we're supposed to believe the Chitauri had all kinds of wild abilities and technology but instead preferred to shoot PEW PEW lasers only

>>93730570
>He was fucking robbed and they didn't compensate him for it.

Imminent domain. Also, did you watch the movie? The whole movie was about that shit being too frigging dangerous for him to handle. He was in over his head. He was selling people shit that would explode if they had it too close to them while they were making hot pockets.

He might have been overexposed financially, but guess what? That shit happens. When the nice family down the street has their restaurant go tits up they don't get a pass to start selling illegal burritos ffs.

>>93730719
They do if it's that or die. Besides Vulture himself wasn't going to hurt anyone himself. It's only because Spiderboy got involved.

>>93730366
>"Redwing, X-Ray that Chitauri power source."
>Vulture blows up

>>93730715
Did you watch the movie or not? Did the chitauri also have giant bird wings? No, it was built by Vulture and his crew, using earth tech and the chitauris, they say this shit like 30 minutes in

Obviously theres all kind of shit going on in the MCU, if these guys have been operating under the radar for 8 YEARS, and if you take into account AOS and the Netflix stuff

>>93730750
>They do if it's that or die.

I don't know how they do shit where you live, but they don't kill people who declare bankruptcy in NY. lol

>>93730787
>Did the chitauri also have giant bird wings?

No, but Falcon does

And I don't believe the gravity manipulation is of Chitauri origin

>>93730789
>It's the poor families fault they lost their homes because of gentrification.
Toomes was already salvaging shit, Tony had no business usurping him. Maybe give them some oversight, but Toomes was doing honest work.

>>93730313
Stark probably just has a bunch of machines and suits run the Damage Control cleanup crews.

>>93730041

God you're fucking retarded

>>93730809
But you believe their hoverbikes and flying whales were?

>>93730809
They had plenty of those flying sled/skiff things that they were zooming around on.

>>93730866
>Toomes was already salvaging shit

And as the movie goes on to show, he was still unable to keep the shit from blowing up and killing hundreds of people even 8 years later.

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>>93730945

We saw that stuff on screen

They never used a anti-gravity gun though, this is new

>>93729659

That was not a middle class home. Get fucking out more.

>>93730985
>they had guns
>they had antigravity tech
>they had an in-house scientist
>they had over eight years
>h-how could they have possibly accomplished putting them together???

this is you

>>93730985
The anti-grav gun was probably something Toomes' crew cobbled together.

>>93730985
nigga are you retarded?

>a villain isn't a complete mustache-twirling asshole
>/co/ goes into "he dindu nuffin" mode
every time

>>93731514
>in this case the villain was just doing his job and got shit on by the "hero"
really forces you to ponder.

>>93731587
>in this case the villain was just doing his job and got shit on by the "hero"

Remember the opening when he's walking around banging on alien tech with a stick and is so proud of himself because he knocks some glowing parts off? And later everything that glows like that is about one microwave away from cutting holes in everything around it?

What I'm saying is that if you really think about it, he really wasn't qualified to do the job. Stark was right to send in experts to handle that shit.

>>93731671
remember when they were supposed to be seperating that stuff from the metal and it couldnt be done with conventoioal tools so they needed to use chunks of the alien metal to do it?
>experts
>experts in alien material that crashed down weeks ago
we didnt even see what they did, all we know is that they were the ones taking care of the stuff now
they were the same as him, just that they has Stark backing them up

>>93728677
>>93729168
We saw Vulture using his huge wings as shields when the feds tried to shoot him.

>>93730024
He threatened Adrian. He was willing to let him walk, but Jackson didn't keep his mouth shut.

>>93731740
>remember when they were supposed to be seperating that stuff from the metal

And they were "supposed" to be doing this, why exactly?

Sorry if you think bubba beating chunks of space science with space sticks impresses you but the rest of the movie shows pretty convincingly that even eight years later that they don't know how to keep the shit from blowing everything else to fuck the second someone drops it. The reason that they managed to fly under the radar for so long probably implies that their previous customers accidentally teleported themselves to the phantom zone by leaving their space gun too close to their cell phone.

>>93729763
>>93729575
The point was to stick it the man. Especially the Avengers and Stark. He could have taken a few easy ways out but his pride wouldn't let him.

>>93730027
>>93730436
>>93729621

What if something like that was their plan for the S6 movie.

>>93731899
That'd mean they can have good plans.

>>93731875
>The reason that they managed to fly under the radar for so long probably implies that their previous customers accidentally teleported themselves to the phantom zone by leaving their space gun too close to their cell phone.
stop making shit up and getting away from the point. He was doing his job like they implied many other people were doing with the alien goods and got it all taken away by someone with a history of trying to help and making things worse

>>93730985
>>93731037
>>93731039
I assumed it was the thing the guys robbing the ATM used, it hold Spidey in the air

>I just wanna hold someone up, not shoot them back in time.

>>93729091
>Hot liberal aunt who lets him do whatever the fuck he wants
Bullshit. She clearly is worried sick about him & probably only gives him some freedom so he can get his mind off the Death of his uncle. Also, he is clearly uncomfortable about everyone having eyes for his only living relative.
>Gets handouts from a CEO
Who only has him around because of his powers. It took him a while to actually see Parker as a human being & it took Captain fucking America to shed that light on him.
>Goes to a private school
It's a public school you dolt.

Peters life only ever turns around after he gets bitten by the Spider, & even then, it's all downhill from there.

>>93729165
Its apparently a charter for smart kids

>>93728055
I mean, yeah

>>93729375
The "Car Jacker" and the store owner would agree.

>>93732001
>He was doing his job like they implied many other people were doing with the alien goods

..and we saw how he did it. He hit space science with space sticks and it's a miracle he didn't blow his whole crew to hell. The shit was a few x-rays from blowing up something the size of the slave built Washington monument. Eight years of tinkering with the shit and they started selling things that will cut a whole block in half if you drop it on the ground and they sell it to complete scum who a sensible man wouldn't trust with a pair of scissors.

>got it all taken away by someone with a history of trying to help and making things worse

And we saw what this guy could do when he didn't bother trying to help anyone at all.

>>93729375
Found the potential criminal
>remembers we are in 4chan
Fuck it, we're all potential criminals here

>>93727938
BAIT

but good bait

spiderman is 100% a menace
>racially profiled someone, beat him up, and stole his bike
>assaulted a guy trying to get into his own car
>the massive amounts of property damage from busting through peoples fences and scaring children

>>93730946
Those things were such fucking shit. They would have been much better off using WW2 prop planes. Same with their rifles; replace them with WW2 era rifles and you get much better results.

>>93733401
I was fairly surprised there was never any menace talk.
Tony must've been shutting it down behind the scenes

Makes me wonder why /co/ likes ANTIFA So much if they like to stick it to the man yet hate Vulture.

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>>93727969
Tony is literally the only one the Sokovia Accords should have applied to.
Every single other Avenger were, in fact, the response to meta-human threats
>Cap is a response to Red Skull
>Loki fucked around with Thor but as his brother rather than as some super human
>Abomination was made as a response to Hulk but only because Hulk wasnt the weapon that the General wanted it to be.
>Cap Responds to Hydra in the 21st century
>Thor Responds to Dark World
>Dr Strange responds Kassilius
>GotG respond to Ronan
>Ego seeks out Quill, outside of his hero status (his hero status just makes him easier to find), GotG respond to Ego
>Avengers respond to attack in Africa in beginning of Civil War

Now lets list the actual situations where villains became villains or became active because of a hero
>Vulture responds to Tony Stark
>Iron Monger/Stane responds to Stark fucking around with Middle East (admittedly Stark was just responding to the roundabout assassination attempt
>Ultron is literally built by Stark without any input from the rest of the team
>Vision (who could have been a villain, for all anyone else knew) is the same as Ultron, 'except different'
>Whiplash literally becomes active due to Stark's grandstanding
>Yellowjacket responds to Pym

So let's see: that's 3/4 instances of hero-related villain genesis belonging to Stark

>>93733601
Yeah, in the scene with the atm I thought the guy across the street was gonna go, "Oh shit! Spider-man is robbing those atms"

>>93727938
It's called a Sympathetic villain, dumbass.

It's very good at making people more invested in the story, unless they're sociopaths or psychopaths.

>>93727938
Jon Watts said we're likely to see Adrian again in the future. That is something I'm looking forward to.

>>93727938
>"Yeah he was a thief and an arms dealer who tried to murder a child but he did it to help his family so he did nothing wrong."
He was a villain with noble intentions, but he was still a villain.

>>93728183
>Implying they're not gonna kill him down the line as a big moment of redemption

>>93734733
Nah, faggot. Sympathetic villains are only good at being an annoyance 99 percent of the time.