Mark Waid vs Internment Camps

>>93681005
Good, they're learning their place. Shithuman filth.

>>93681005
>The team manages to find one such internment camp, and mount a rescue. However, what they are confronted with is surprising. Champions, by Mark Waid and Humberto Ramos, decides to follow the story that many of the Inhumans do not want to escape the camp. They do not wish to live their lives on the run in a Hydramerica that would hunt them down, and those that wish to remain fear should some escape, then they would face reprisals from their fascist prison masters.

Okay and? That makes sense. At least in the camps they don't get hunted and killed like animals.

It's only natural some of them value safety over freedom.

Storytime, because I didn't know it came out yesterday either: >>93666838

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>>93681005
So they gonna go through the Yanxia storyline from Stormblood, got it.

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>>93681005
>In fact, in this page we see here that one Inhuman who we see throughout the issue explain this to the team, and in fact says that within the camp at least they are well cared for.

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>>93681141
>Which is a bit odd seen as at the beginning of the issue she witnesses one of the robot guards incinerate two teen Inhumans on the spot for merely discussing the possibility of escape.

>Correct me if I’m wrong (I’m sure you will), but living inside this camp doesn’t seem much safer than living outside it. One wrong word sees you summarily executed, after all.

I didn't even bother finishing the storytime yesterday, I just lost interest

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>>93681189

>>93681193
That just shows how bad it is.

At least with America we read it all to get mad at.

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>>93681217
>Moreover, when the Inhumans’ division over decision of what to do becomes apparent, it is not through a complex discussion or debate. No, instead…the crowd of Inhumans devolves into a mob that starts fighting each other.

>Yes, this is comics and conflict must be shown heightened and dramatically in a short amount of space, but making the crowd quickly devolve into a brawling mob because they can’t decide whether to make the decision to leave internment death camps or not feels like a demeaning way of putting the victims of such a heinous crime. I’m sure there could have been other dramatic ways that could have gotten across the weight and complexity of their decision just as well.

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>>93681288
>When the Champions are forced to leave, the Inhuman they meet also decides to leave them with this parting comment.
>‘Far bigger battles to fight than this’? Than internment camps? Really?

Whilst there are more complexities to the issue than simply bust them out and leave them to it, I struggle personally believe that anyone would rather stay in an internment camp, a prisoner, at a daily risk of immediate and certain death for stepping ever so slightly out of line. That’s just my read, of course.

>Champions #10 is out now from Marvel.

>>93681141
>as an Asian-American
Fuck off Cho, you're Chinese. While the Japanese were getting their property seized and thrown into camps Uncle Sam was shilling THIS CHINAMAN IS YOUR FRIEND

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>>93681005
What the hell is Mark Waid's message here? Is he implying that people shouldn't try to escape from concentration camps if they're put in them?

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>>93681141
>"dindu nuffin" - miles
can't make this shit up

>>93681005
>Inhumans getting gassed for trying to gass all of Mutant kind
how is Cap the villian again

>>93681437
He's right with how they didn't do anything, though.

>>93681051
It's just realistic.

There's a ton of instances where people wanted to stay in camps or even prisons because their quality of life was objectively better.

>>93681395
Literally none of these people threw a shitfit when the muties were being gassed to death by the shithumans.

>>93681005
>>93681053
What was the point of this issue?

Nothing was resolved. Nothing happened. Why did this story needed to be told? It was almost a bigger waste of time as the Atlantians issue.

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>>93681141
>>93681437
KEK

>>93681005
I just bought Daredevil Omni by Waid. He doesn't get this preachy in it, does he? In the first 27 issues?

>>93681395
>maybe try hiring actual PoC
kek, every time

>>93681074
As if anyone bothered to play years of catch up to get to that part of the story of the mogshop shitfest

>>93681467
Inhumans LITERALLY gassed the mutants to death. Theu deserve whatever they get for being literal nazis.

>>93681499
Traytray dindu muffin wrong

>>93681437
Dindu Nuffin only applies when people are guilty.

Micheal Brown "Dindu Nuffin" after he tried to steal an officers firearm.

Philando Castile was innocent and got shot 7 times by someone who never should have been on the force.

>>93681465
Nevermind, just read it.

It's hilarious that the writers honestly seem to believe something like this could be right around the corner for the US, but then I remember this used to be a universe I loved.

>>93681395
>As a writer, I just don't want to turn into Well-Meaning Mark Waid.

This is the guy who was claiming Spider-Gwen was in high school during the Frank Cho brouhaha:

https://twitter.com/gregthelen/status/586154081590194178

So I think it's already too late for that.

>>93681541
these people are inhuman trash, so....

>>93681541
Inhumans endorse slavery and genocide.

>>93681005

>keep them interned
>Actually feed them so they stay
>not poisoning them

>>93681543
We're probably not going to reach the point where we start building camps for brown people in the middle of Arizona, but I can definitely see a few of the deeper red states slamming some restrictive legislation down on Muslim worship and places of residence. Just to be safe, you see.

>>93681584
>killing them without hesitation at the drop of a hat>>93681217

>>93681487
I almost want to suggest that Waid is writing these as first drafts, and days before they're due to his editor. That's the only reason I can suggest for why everything is so off the rails.

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>>93681566
Anon, I thought they were supposed to teach people that citizens should not be considered the same as soldiers and administrators when punishing a group.

>>93681541
>Mike Brown dindu nuffin and now WB is making a movie for him

Nevermind that neither of those cases or any others involved a white officer just really, really wanting to lynch a darkie.

>>93681499
Not until after the main arc is concluded. Can't remember what issue, but you're fine for most of it.

>>93681458
Because all Inhumans are being punished for the actions of the Royal Family.

The social elite continue to reign in their moon bases and hidden cities while the newly transformed inhuman cattle are culled

>>93681541
>Dindu Nuffin only applies when people are guilty.
Not anymore. Like all memes it gets diluted to mean "everyone I want it to apply to.".

>>93681590
Look at what's ACTUALLY occuring in the West, for once.

Islam is straight-up illegal to criticize in Canada.

No other religions. Just Pisslam.

>>93681601

Oh, that makes sense.

I'd just poison them, mind, but...that works.

How did the Muslim see that and not immediately become a firebrand preacher for escaping?

>>93681589

What was he crying about? Did he call DC and they told him for the 10th time he can't write the Superman ongoing?

>>93681005
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>>93681189
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>>93681395
Why can't someone else write the Champions book? Like Duggan or Wilson?

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>>93681141
I don't get this either. Cho is Chinese American. USA put Japanese folks into camps. Japan when occupying China put Chinese into work camps. If the remote possibility that someone in Cho's family line was put into camps during WWII in China from the Japanese, his phrasing of "as an Asian American" is out of place... or my mind is full of fuck if Cho is suddenly stating that Asian Americans are all one group so the Chinese Americans by default should feel brotherly love and sympathy pains for Japanese Americans.

Fuck, I don't even know.

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>>93681683

>Chinese Americans should feel big gay feelings for Japanese Americans
You can't purge the dislike of other asians. It's in their blood. They hate each other by nature, more than Irish hate the Scottish, the IRA hates the British, and the Welsh hate the British.

>>93681661
>Islam is illegal to criticize in Canada
Source?

>>93681679
I feel like Wisom *might* just make it young superheroes doing generic heroic teen superhero stuff.
Which is what we need but not what Marvel wants. Marvel wants this hashtag woke shit.

>>93681683
>Cho is suddenly stating that Asian Americans are all one group so the Chinese Americans by default should feel brotherly love and sympathy pains for Japanese Americans.

He is. It happens in real life among kids these days. Their grandparents hate each other but these college kids think they're comrades.

>>93681719
I bet it's a hate speech law which many countries including the US have.

>>93681590
we're totally drifting into /pol/ territory now, but let me turn the question back to you, Anon. How would you feel about Sharia Law being set up in its traditional sense in your local county? This includes the treatment of women, girls, boys and any Christians that happen to live in the county too.

>>93681759
I'd dislike Sharia Law being instated in any community as much as I'd dislike the American government punishing Muslims for peacefully practicing Islam, probably even more than that. I'm not sure why you decided to bring that up, actually.

>>93681746
If that's the case, it must be a southern California thing. It's sure as shit not the case up in WA state campuses or in Seattle.

>>93681395
>he wants so bad to be the Good One he can't hear the people telling him what he's doing wrong

Is it strange that while I agree with this, I also think that statement can also probably apply to everyone in that screencap?

>>93681746
lol no, Koreans hate Japs

>>93681005
>(definitely not Nazis)
Fascists!
They are FASCISTS, not Nazis!

While they are similar, as the Nazism were inspired\based on Fascism, there are a number of key differences.

>>93681467
>xfags didn't bitch all year about m-pox
Most bullshit thing I have ever seen someone post on /co/

>>93681787
Not really. That just means you're not an idiot.

>>93681822
Are everyone in that screencap X-Men fans?

>>93681841
most are

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>>93681432
Mark tries to weigh real world views with comicbook practicality like he does with Irredeemable. I think he was just trying to show there is no right answer. They're either going to be dissected in the Inhuman internment camp or hunted down and killed if they run. Catch 22 really.

Then Waid goes full retard with his editorial team and makes Chulk, who is a Korean, shoehorn in about one of Americas most controversial decisions. I have no idea what age group Champions is suppose to be directed towards, but it sure as hell isn't for adults.

I almost feel bad for Waid. He is slowly going insane with the amount of shit he is trying to spew with his multi-race superhero team. Especially when that team gets to talk down to Middle American's who are always racist. You know, cause everyone in Middle America is racist in Waid's mind.

>>93681821
Ironically, you're right that fascism isn't nazism. Fascism as done by Mussolini didn't fall back on petty racialism and actually tried to make sure that the workers and the state had equal amounts of power. Natsoc was just a bargain-bin cult of personality for Our One-Balled Overlord.

>>93681821
Current Hydra are basically Nazi's because they're a new version headed by Red Skull who used the Cosmic Cube to make things very stupid and confusing.

>>93681541
Inhumans literally spread propaganda to get innocent people hated.

>>93681670
This way way before that, during the late 80's-early 90's IIRC. Waid was filling in for Kim Thompson as editor of Fanta's Amazing Heroes zine. Apparently, the phone would sometimes stop working and Waid would get VERY pissed about it.

>>93681821
And yet they are still racist like Nazis.

>>93681926
Which Inhumans? Are you referring to the Inhumans currently in that camp?

>>93681876
>Current Hydra are basically Nazi's because they're a new version headed by Red Skull who used the Cosmic Cube to make things very stupid and confusing.
Don't you get it?
America has always been the REAL nazis

>>93681944
Every one is racist.

>>93681872
>I have no idea what age group Champions is suppose to be directed towards, but it sure as hell isn't for adults.

I believe it's supposed to be for teenagers

>>93681973
Especially Hydra.

>>93681872
The biggest problem with Champions is that they tackle real-world problems in only single issues. They should have whole arcs dealing with human trafficking, Middle Eastern extremism, etc. etc.
Despite the whole idea being "we don't want to just fly in, punch the bad guys and fly away", that's exactly what they're doing.

>>93681360
Amadeus is Korean

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>>93681679
>Like Duggan or Wilson?

Those two sound good I guess. I'd also be open to Bunn and Thompson though. Bunn especially, since I wonder if he would take in a weird direction, as the dude seems to love to do occult and horror stuff in his work. Also Bunn created our girl Mania so if he wrote Champions then she would almost definitely be put on the team.

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>>93681683
>mfw in my group of friends growing up, the chinese american kid and japanese american friends are best friends
Do you honestly think this shit doesn't happen?

>>93682011
>They should have whole arcs
We ain't never getting whole arcs when there is a event every 4 months.

>>93681395
Kek. I hope this gets Waid off the book.

>>93682643
Careful with that Monkey's Paw anon

>>93681926
oh no, they act like regular people

>>93682668
Who could be worse? What could any writer do that Waid hasn't already done?

>>93681005
Wow the comments section is really roasting the article writer.

>>93682835
They're going to put Gabby Rivera on Champions

>>93681973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDoeM

>>93681432
>What the hell is Mark Waid's message here? Is he implying that people shouldn't try to escape from concentration camps if they're put in them?
4 months from now it's revealed that every single Inhuman in these internment camps are executed off-panel much to Miles' horror.

>>93681872
that is what happens when the writter and his editorial don't have basic knowledge about history and geopolitics. they go full retard because they want to be cool.
that applies to many other topics like science etc..
thank the "lol just comics bro" for that

>>93683029
And then it turns out that Middle Eastern village they saved awhile back was destroyed and all the women stoned to death by the Isis because they weren't there to protect them.

>>93681005
>Champions, by Mark Waid and Humberto Ramos, decides to follow the story that many of the Inhumans do not want to escape the camp. They do not wish to live their lives on the run in a Hydramerica that would hunt them down, and those that wish to remain fear should some escape, then they would face reprisals from their fascist prison masters.

This is what the mutants did from 2004 to 2012, when the last isolation camp they entered was destroyed by... mutants.

>>93681005

WAS

>>93681030
>The Nazis were bad!
WE KNOOOW

>>93681141
Fuck this goddamn pandering shit. I like Cho Hulk, I dont want him to see him defining hinself on his race like that

>>93681005
Waaait a sec... I haven't been reading Marvel shit for a while... So now Inhumans get discriminated against like they were mutants?
So they pretty much did away iwth mutants, except the cool ones from estabilished comic lines, to replace them iwth inhumans just for them to fit the same role?

>>93681759
>How would you feel about Sharia Law being set up in its traditional sense in your local county?

That would be terrible.

Unless they switched out the specifically Islamic parts for Christian religious law. That would be great!

>>93683475
No the Mutants are still around (just little to no new ones because otherwise Fox gets more characters to use). And yes, Inhumans are getting pushed like X-Men but it's not working.

>>93683475
Inhumans are now being pushed to all hell by Marvel. They're getting more titles than the X-men since Marvel wants them to become the new X-men.

Humans were infected by a fart cloud that makes people in Inhumans. So now Secret Empire has Steve Rogers throwing them in concentration camps.

The Mutants are given their own state within the United States to placate them until Hydra can consolidate their power to deal with them later.

Its just a fucking mess and a half since no one cares about the fucking Inhumans. It was a way to make the reader sympathize with the Inhumans. The problem is everyone who read X-men vs Inhumans already despise the Inhuman, and nothing can change that.

>>93683475
no. mutants went to a new fiction State ruled by mutants and are still around. beast appeared in the last main book and emma fucked over Stevil. they are trying to push the inhumans but since they don't have any decent writter it is only backfiring.
Also this whole thing with Inhumas and Mutants is like the middle east situation in real life. they are aike but hate each other to the pont of bombing each other 24/7. but for people not related to them. they are all the same shit.

subhumans deserve to be exterminated

>>93681487
sounds like a Champions issue

>>93683554
But everyone in >>93681395 care about Inhumans?

>>93683580
didn't they just take over Washington

>>93681074
Which copied every Nazi movie in the last 70 fucking years. Nice try.

>>93683631
hank is pretty betraying them since he didoesn't like how things are going. soon they will lost it. because steven doesn't like to fuck around about eliminating other groups of resistance.

>>93683627
No they don't. They don't care at all about the story. They just want to be offended at something. I doubt any of them read Champions at all.

>>93683383
KANGS

>>93683475

Honestly I don't think you can even blame anyone who works at Marvel for the retarded attempt to swap Inhumans for Mutants. Marvel is literally owned by a cigar-chomping half-Israeli billionaire who literally thinks only children and retards read comics and who is extremely angry that some other company gets (partial) shares on merchandising for X-Men so he probably told his creative director to get the retards reading something else so they can bury the X-Men franchise.

>>93683709
Well since I recognized some of those same Tweeters complaining about Chaykin's comic and Chaykin pointed out that as of his recent interview he didn't receive a single e-mail on the subject (his e-mail was right at the top of his editorial in the first issue), I'd say you're on to something.

>>93683818
>a cigar-chomping half-Israeli billionaire who literally thinks only children and retards read comics
Is he wrong?

>>93683846
children don't read comics

>>93681782
Not really, I've live in SoCal, Asians also hate each other here.

Hell in High School I noticed most kids stuck with their own race or people with cultures similar to their own, only the nerds and the sport people hanged out in mixed groups.

>>93682643
Marvel sells their books with controversy. Like before the editors job was to tell the writers 'no' is their idea was too stupid/bad PR but now they know that controversial stuff is free publicity from clickbait websites.

>>93683554
>They're getting more titles than the X-men since Marvel wants them to become the new X-men

Bullshit. The X-Men have 9 titles out right now, with one more title (Astonishing X-Men) debuting less than 2 weeks now. In comparision, the Inhumans have 3. I agree with you that the Inhumans are getting pushed and Marvel does want them to basicallay be the new X-Men (though they do seem to be easing down on that with ResurrXion and the X-Men being added to Future Fight) but don't fucking lie.

just give loveness champions marvel
put some shiny glass in the pile of shit that is legacy

>>93683888
trips of truth
only retards read comics

>>93681683
It's written by the same man who thinks there were Aztec pyramids in North America.

Maybe Cho played too much fallout 3 and 4 and believes american put the chinese in camps.

>>93684257
I don't think Marvel's gonna do anything with Champions once it's cancelled

>>93681051
Course their actions in hiding a place that Hydra owns would likely get them glassed anyway.

>>93681679
>>93682151
Loveness. Give it to Loveness.

Fuck, I don't even care if they keep Ramos on for art, just get rid of Waid.

>>93681141
Is Cho referring to North Korean political internment camps or Japanese internment camps?

He's Korean-American right?

>>93681683
Cho's Korean, isn't he?

>>93681432
>>93681432
Internment camps are good and should be used in all societies.

Paid for by Marvel and Disney: the Fourth Reich will rise!

>>93683832
>Chaykin pointed out that as of his recent interview he didn't receive a single e-mail on the subject (his e-mail was right at the top of his editorial in the first issue),
Those people don't want to talk to you. They want to talk at you and "educate" you.

>>93684522

Yes.

I was bellyaching about this comic yesterday but some of the replies in this thread are almost making me like it more, yeesh.

>>93684716
How contrarian do you have to be to actually like something out of spite?

>>93684800

I said almost.

It's a dumb, bad line but why get your panties in a twist if you can't even get stuff straight like what flavor asian Brohulk is

>>93681395
#woke

>>93681973
And when everyone is racist, no one is.

>>93681395
>twitter name includes "black" and "god" unironically
I didnt read his twits, but im gonna go and say he is an asshole just by his name. It is actually very common to see people with Stockholm syndrome, or even worse, exchange their freedom for security, its America after all.

>>93681395
I hope these tweets make it in the next issue.

Remember when comics were just about telling interesting stories and nobody got butthurt because at the end of the day it's fiction? Those were some good times.

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>>93681189
Isn't that basically what happened to the Nips?

>>93685207

>Remember when the internet wasnt so spread out so we didnt know how much fanboys were assblasted by editorial desicions?
ftfy

>>93681543
>It's hilarious that the writers honestly seem to believe something like this could be right around the corner for the US
It's sad really, it seems most of the Marvel writers are pretty damn sheltered or just very disconnected from reality.

>>93681683
>Cho is Chinese American.
Stopped reading here.

>>93681005

>Mark Waid writing something with social commentary.

Into the trash it goes. Dude's a fucking nut.

>>93683514
Considering they built America, sure. If it's such a problem for you, just move to North Korea with the other godless heathens.

>>93681395
I want to beat the stupid out of anyone who does
*verb* in their online writing, it looks fucking retarded.

>>93685553
Superman should be raised in the city instead of the farm. That way he can actually meet black people and not be raised by racist white farming bigots.

>>93681141

Cho you idiot you're Korean-American.

>>93681683
>Surname "Cho"
>Chinese

>>93685826

Get out Mark Waid. Go back to blocking me on Twitter.

>>93685966
Yeah.
Chonese.

>>93681395

Catering to the easily offended always ends up with you getting eaten alive. Every single time. No one has made any money trying to make comics to discuss the topics they hound on about.

>>93681872
>Especially when that team gets to talk down to Middle American's who are always racist. You know, cause everyone in Middle America is racist in Waid's mind.
That's every single Liberials opinion any way. The "flyover" states between Cali and NY are the hellsmouth of the US.

>>93684323
are there not? Mexico has them don't they?

>>93681756
America has hate speech laws?

You guys seem to have a lot of hope for someone to write it. What if someone did and that person was... HOPELESS. Once again destroying Marvel's next generation of young heroes.

>>93681756
No, actually it's just about Pisslam.

>>93686691
I'd be fine with that. I dislike everyone on the Champions roster, so seeing them become even more unsalvageable would be great

>>93686385

No, we don't.

The Supreme Court just voted unanimously that there's no exemption to the 1st amendment for so-called "hate speech".

>>93681756

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-parliament-anti-islamophobia-motion-pass-muslim-irqa-khalid-david-anderson-racism-faith-a7647851.html

>>93681005
It was really nice to see an issue where things weren't presented as morally black and white. Probably the best issue of this lousy comic.

The linked article is stupid. There are bigger problems then internment camps, like THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT REPLACED BY HYDRA. End that, end the camps.

And some people would rather have a quiet life of comfortable imprisonment than a short, painful life of living rough, being hunted and killed.

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>>93681217
So much for intangibility protecting him from their weapons.

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>>93681467
I'd made repeatedly clear that Mutants are Jews and Inhumans are Muslims. (pic related, clear Israel analogy.)

SJWs care about Muslims being discriminated against, even in fundamentalist Muslim countries where they're murdering homosexuals and feminists, but don't give a shit about Jews being outright murdered, kick them out of SJW spaces and mock their liberal progressiveness as "pinkwashing".

>>93687237
Why is Beast such a collaborating race traitor?

>>93682895
At least it would be hilarious instead of just cringy.

>>93682895
At least her disasters are entertaining

>>93681005
>They do not wish to live their lives on the run in a Hydramerica that would hunt them down, and those that wish to remain fear should some escape, then they would face reprisals from their fascist prison masters.

Sounds pretty realistic, there is a reason that after the Native Americans were defeated and put on reservations, few rebelled. Life was terrible on the reservations, but if they fled they were hunted down and either killed or sent back.

>>93681395
I am starting to feel sorry for Waid. He tries desperately to appeal to these idiots but they shit on him anyway mostly because he's a white male.

>>93687437
...What?

Life was exactly like it was before, just in a different area.

It's not like they had any notable housing or infrastructure projects that they were leaving behind.

>>93687443
And because he's old.

Fucking ageists.

>>93687488
They had much less space, and much less fertile lands.

>>93687285
It's his real secondary mutation

>>93687488
Do you know how hunting, gathering, or agriculture works?
If a tribe like the Cherokee, who adapted their skills and lifestyle for the American South, were forced several states West to a different biome, usually with infertile land, you don't see how that might cause problems?

>>93687285
Did you miss the "ambassador" part?

>>93687237
Why the fuck is Beast talking like a bit character from Babylon 5? He doesn't sound remotely like himself.

>>93687488
No it wasn't. For many tribes had their entire way of life was changed by relocation. They were forced to be farmers in lands that were often times not conducive to farming, like what happened to the Navajo when they were moved to the Bosque Redondo reservation. That case ended up getting national attention and people complained enough that the Navajo got sent to a better reservation, but similar situations happened all the time. In other cases Natives from vastly different tribes who used to wander territory hundreds of miles in diameter were forced to live on tiny plots of land with tribes they hated and still hate. I live near a reservation were several tribes were forced together and the number one leading cause of death among young Native men is being murdered by other young Native men.

>>93687443
Waid deserves it.
He made his bed, he should lie in it.

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>>93681395
Waid keeps TRYING & TRYING to appease & impress these people and they will NEVER ACCEPT HIM BECAUSE HE IS STILL GOING TO BE THE 'ENEMY' TO THEM.

>>93687655
>Did you miss the "ambassador" part?

>Beast sides with Inhumans over Mutants
>Calls Cyclops a Natzi
>Literally becomes nothing more than a puppet for Stevil to boss around and lecture.

At least Magneto had to think about it. Beast probably hopped on Caps dick the first chance he got to get a little bit of power.

>>93681005
>we
"are the crystal gems!"

>>93681005
>totally awesome hulk
What 40 year old sack of shit thought of that name? So not on fleek baka...

>>93688823
Frank Cho and Greg Pak.
I think that was the joke. Though they didn't lean into the idea that Amadeus was a dork trying to live out what he thought was cool, which obviously would be really fucking dorky.

>>93688823
Totally epic LOL rekting KEK DANK memes hulk

>>93687237
Why was this a story that had to be told? Who wanted this? What audience was asking for Captain Nazi?

>>93689293
Why do you asks stupid questions?

>>93689501
Because I'm an autistic child.

>>93684247
>3
>Royals, Moon Girl, Ms Marvel, Black Bolt, Secret Warriors
>also mini-series by Priest
>also, new shithumans are introduced various marvel books
>also, Inhumans were in spotlight in Civil War II, Monsters Unleashed, IvX, Secret Empire

>>93689835
oh, and I forgot, Monsters Unleashed also count

>>93681005
I wish Mark Waid just kind of died of a heart attack or something 10 years ago so I didn't have to see what he would become reduced to.

>>93681541

>Dindu Nuffin only applies when people are guilty.

when has that EVER been the case?

>>93681395
Doesn't that Keiran faggot write for that blog Graphic Policy? The same blog that tried to enter the dustup between Nate Edmondson and Ales Kot saying they'd publish the report of anyone willing to speak out against "harassment" in the industry? Which came to absolutely nothing?

Fuck that guy and fuck his perpetually offended blog.

>WUZ

>>93691740
PRISONERS

>>93691575
>The same blog that tried to enter the dustup between Nate Edmondson and Ales Kot saying they'd publish the report of anyone willing to speak out against "harassment" in the industry? Which came to absolutely nothing?

It did lead to Kots not getting rehired by Marvel and almost no one in the industry still willing to work with him.
Just about the only time I can think of where an SJW reached too far and got socially punished for it.

>>93688683
>>Literally becomes nothing more than a puppet for Stevil to boss around and lecture.

He's an ambassador. He's trying to placate Steve, not piss him off so he'll invade.

>>93681141
God I hate Ramos's art.

>>93686887
Thank fucking God. It's insane how so many people who are all for speech control have no ability to see the bigger picture.

>>93694379
"We'll always been in power! We'll always be on the right side of history! A rival political party/a new generation with new mores will never ever take over and impose our own rules on us!!"

>>93693604
it's a shame because Kot is kinda crazy but a fun writer

>>93694408
>Obama drones an American citizen without trial with the excuse that he's a terrorist on foreign soil
>"Hey don't worry that it sets a precedent, it's not like anything--"
>Election 2016

>>93694448
Yeah, I would much prefer to have Lila Rhodes as Iron Girl than Riri Williams. But Marvel is so pissed off at him they don't even want to use characters he's created any more.

>>93694468
Don't forget his warrentless surveillance of all Americans.

Don't worry, President Clinton will keep being just as responsible with her use of all that sensitive data, right?

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>>93681395
>I just can't. It's all toxic old white dude crap that I just can't take anymore.

This is what neo-marxist filled schools and universities transform people into. If that's what it takes I'll be sieg heiling beside the Rhine, the Oder or the Mississippi river in Trumpfuhrer's name.

>>93681395
>>get mad about camps and somehow try to relate it to black people

Really?

>>93681141
>Asian-American character defines himself as Asian, because Asian people are all the same, amirite?

When diversity goes too far, the bigot becometh you!

>>93681395
>maybe try hiring actual PoC?

Does it think they WANT to write only the same characters as their race? Priest refused to write a yet another black character book before DC proposed him Deathstroke.

Why is chinkshit Hulk such a massive cunt holy shit? Every word out of his mouth is pure garbage.

I read all ten issues of this comic. I'm woke now.

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>>93681141
>That Cho soap box

Shut the fuck up, Cho, just because your ancestors dealt with it doesn't mean YOU did.

Marvel keeps bitching about their sales and saying that they're going to change, yet they continuously shove out this weak, wishy-washy, preachy horseshit. I am so fucking tired of not wanting to read Marvel comics. Fucking burn the staff to the ground already instead of just saying it.

I miss when I got stuff like pic related.

>>93696328
>just because your ancestors dealt with it doesn't mean YOU did
Fairly sure you can talk about bigotry and discrimination without actually going through it yourself, chief. Your post is a fucking soap boax speech, even.

>>93696356
You can talk about it, yes, but acting like you're a victim when it didn't happen to you is fucking stupid.

>Your post is a fucking soap box
Except I'm not in charge of a fucking superhero comic book doing this, where any entertainment is sapped away for awful dialogue meant to be topical when it isn't.

>>93696378
>Except I'm not in charge of a fucking superhero comic book doing this
Who fucking cares? You're still doing the same goddamn thing you're complaining about. It doesn't take a genius to see through your hypocrisy and your "I know better" attitude.

>>93696356
>Fairly sure you can talk about bigotry and discrimination without actually going through it yourself, chief.

And he lost all pretense of doing that as soon as he said, "AS AN ASIAN AMERICAN,"

>>93696409
>Who fucking cares?

The people reading the comic. I'm posting my opinion in a topic about opinions, he's shoving in preaching into a superhero comic that doesn't need to go that route at all if chosen.

>It doesn't take a genius to see through your hypocrisy

So having an opinion on a topic is hypocrisy? Then you're a hypocrite too. Worst of all is that it's horribly written. At least stories like Harry Osborn's Drug addiction and Secret Society were so intriguing, well written, and story focused that the political undertones never felt unwelcomed. Current Marvel has the grace of a water buffalo on an ice rink.

Seriously, you're either Waid or a Marvel intern with amount cock licking you're doing for such a shitty, preachy comic.

>>93689835
X-Men still have more books, faggot.

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>>93696464
>The people reading the comic.
The people reading the comic understand what the character is trying to express and it doesn't require him to be a victim of discrimination. At least that's what I hope they're doing, otherwise they're just as dumb as you are.

>I'm posting my opinion in a topic about opinions
It's such a retarded opinion, though, built upon a hypocritical statement about muh soapboxes when your shitty posts are nothing but.

>>93689835
>inhumans were in the spotlight of secret empire
For two pages where as beast and magneto have done a lot more. Not to mention one shot with Emma that confirms she has a cube shard putting her and mutants way above any Inhuman in plot importance.

>IvX
Mutants were in that too

Not to mention the X-men still have more books
>blue, gold, generation X, weapon X, wolverine, cable, iceman, jean, old man logan,

>>93681395
This is what happens when you try to appeal to people who don't read comics.

>>93696514

>My Opinions Are Special: The Post
>Even post a faggoty Tumblr reaction image to put a cherry on top

You're not even making a point now, you're just bitching about realizing that you're not a special snowflake. I can't wait for summer to end.

>>93681395

Poor Mark.

He tries so hard to appease them, but he was born with the original sin of being a FUCKING WHITE MALE so it will never be enough.

>>93696514
>it doesn't require him to be a victim of discrimination

Then why did he say "As an Asian-American?"

>>93687237
You do know that there are more Muslims killed every year than Jews, right? And they are getting killied by jew elites so don't go around playing the victim.

>>93681141
>if we save people we'll be no better than the nazis!
yup, sounds like a liberal

>>93681563

Wait, wasn't Spider-Gwen already depicted as a college student at that time?

>>93696591
>>My Opinions Are Special: The Post
>tumblr image
That's rich coming from "I know what REAL discrimination is, shitlord". Didn't know google was tumblr but I'm glad you got triggered.

>>93696606
Because he's Asian-American? I bet your race and country would be first things you'd mention when making a case about discrimination, even though anyone can talk about it.

>>93681683
If he's a USA raised Asian American then he might just be stupid enough to believe the "All Asians are one group" shit. Being good at math don't prevent that shit from happening.

>>93681395
>>93681563
>>93685826
>>93696356
>>93696409
>>93696514


Thread theme
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VJhnRQAkTC4

>>93696687
Ok, you got me. It's bait.

>>93689576
Isn't Kamille a girl's name?

>>93696717
>no arguments left
>better call it bait
Have a (You). My treat.

>>93696817
>Implying your last post argued anything

If you really aren't baiting and you're serious, then ether you're Waid or you're a safe space babby.

>>93681005

I don't know much about Marvel but I know that Inhumans deserve camps

Why aren't they rounding up mutants?

>>93681395
I'll never understand people who think the fiction they consume should reflect their views on reality.
I understand Waid invited that by doing this whole dumb analogy shit but still.

>>93696616
>You do know that there are more Muslims killed every year than Jews, right?

Muslim Adherents - ~1.5 Billion
Jewish Adherents - ~6 million

Wow, who woulda thunk it?

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>>93695264
Reminds me of this

>>93696616
There's 1000 times more Muslims than Jews.
Yet despite that, there are far more hate crimes against Jews than against Muslims, both here and in Europe.

And guess which group is responsible for the majority of those hate crimes against Jews?

>>93697166
>A smart white friend to help them out of the trouble they get into

But he did that in Static Shock.

>>93696328
>Shut the fuck up, Cho, just because your ancestors dealt with it doesn't mean YOU did.

It seems like an American tradition. Americans are so privileged all they have to bitch about was slavery from centuries ago and dem Nazis.

>>93681141
Has Cho ever been defined by his Korean heritage? And isn't he a lot older than the rest here?

>>93698376
>>93696328
Actually his ancestors probably didn't.
He's first or second generation American and Korean.
If anything his ancestors would be getting fucked possibly literally by the actual Japanese. And internment was of the Japanese. Their family would probably suffer prejudice of ignorant Americans because ARR ROOK ARIKE but they wouldn't be rounded up.
>>93698657
19. Rest are around 16 and 17.
Not especially, atleast until recently I don't think but I haven't been reading since the end of the first arc.

>>93696328
>I miss when I got stuff like pic related.

Me too.

Jesus Marvel has lost the way.

>>93681683
It's an American thing. They seriously believe that the rest of the world lumps people together solely based on skin color, without regard for nationality.

>>93681030
>Shithuman
>he fell for the mutie scum meme

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>>93681141
>As an Asian American I know about Internet
Fucking chink, WW2 was almost 100 years ago. He had no involvement, he doesnt know what it was like.

>>93697166
I'm still waiting for them to greenlight this.

>>93700885
>not hating both muties and shithumans

>>93701002
Has any in his family even been in one of those camps?

>>93701114
Someone said his character is korean, so no.

>>93697123
To be fair, Waid wears his views on his sleeve. He makes it clear what's his beliefs in his comics.

>>93681141
CHO! YOU'RE FUCKING KOREAN! WAKE THE FUCK UP!

>>93681395
Will any of these tweets show up in the next tweet page of the next book? Or does Marvel only print the positive tweets?

>>93681563
Which is funny because when the MIles/Gwen cover came out they tried to say she wasn't in college.

>>93681051
well, it is a safe space afterall.

>>93681141
Wot? Zyzz is the Hulk now?

>>93704282
No, it's Jackie Chan.

>>93681504
This

Most of those tweets are all about 'Fuck you! Hire me Marvel!' or 'click here for my Patreon!'

>>93696667
That's my point. People on Twitter (and even Wheeler was guilty of this on CA) were trying to claim Cho was sexualizing a teenage girl with that Outrage cover, but right in the very first story, the dialogue indicates she's in college, not high school.

It's pretty obvious they throw around the "teenage" descriptor to imply Cho was trying to sexualize an underage girl.

On the other hand it's hard to blame all these people for thinking that Spider-Gwen is still in high school. The opening has them performing at a high school and the flashback sequence showed Peter died at the high school. But this was something that people should've double-checked before going on snark attack.

>>93681395

how is using the actual secret empire better than hydra?

>>93705169
Secret Empire wasn't in a movie.

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So I read several comments on the latest chapters and most of the "offended" guys seem to think that Marvel is trying to convince the readers that Hydra aren't nazis.

Isn't it the other way around? Isn't Marvel using Hydra as an obvious analogue of nazis?
No seriously, what the hell. Just because some of the comic characters say that Hydra are the good guys as obvious in-universe propaganda and these retards take it at face value like it's what Marvel intends to say?
What the fuck is wrong with these people. This isn't even a 0 reading level case, this is beyond simple. It's like they just need a reason to be offended no matter what.

>>93684247
They keep X-men, but keep trying to derail it with crossovers with Inhumans. X-fags actually buy, but they keep trying to make the X-Men villains or less sympathetic.

>>93685826
>Rural area that isn't completely destroyed due to factory jobs leaving
If Smallville still actually produces crops or isn't just surviving by producing meth you will have Mexicans and Vietnamese people at like 15% of the population. Black people will all be adopted by super religious baptists who are also the nicest people you will ever meet as long as you don't be a cunt to them. Those fucking Baptists can raise some smart kids, too. Knew a girl who got like a 27 on the ACT her freshman year (although she is homeschooled). Although it might be because the mom's step-father is Catholic and handled the entirety of bio.

>>93696616
Muslims also have openly abusive homosexual relationships and kidnap little boys to castrate into sex slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

Jews do it in secret and cut off foreskins to use in skin grafts and to test skin cream so goys don't complain.

>>93707979
>but they keep trying to make the X-Men villains or less sympathetic.

Ironically they make the Inhumans look worse.

>>93701114
His grandmother pleased Japs in order to evade having a grenade enema.

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>>93708398
Yeah and that makes it funny and even more aggrivating
It pisses me off when a writer/s try pushing a character as good or sympathetic, but the writing conveys the opposite
Like Lily from How I Met Your Mother

>>93708172
Nope. Wrong. All wrong. The rural areas don't have minorities. Only the KKK and Nazis and Weeaboos.

Mark Waid told me so.

>>93681141
>as an asian american

Japanese.

The Japanese were interred.

Not all asian people are the same. Cho and the writer should have known this.

>>93681051
It's realistic but I can see people having a shitfit because they might liken it to Jews wanting to stay in concentration camps or something. I totally agree with you but politics seem to hover over all media today, anytime something slightly questionable might arise people will pounce on it as a means of complaining. Shit sucks, bro

>>93708896
Waid doesnt know shit about Asians. Twice he's fumbled common given name nomenclature and pronunciation for different azn lamguages: Jai West in Flash, presumably after Jay Garrick, but derived from Korean would rhyme with eye. And Mae for the Jap wife of that Fox character from Archie, which doesn't work either. Presumably here he intended Mei, but just spelled it in English.

I can't believe he has the will to endure this after Strange Fruit.

>>93694566
...fuck I forgot to clean my room today.

>>93681872

The only good part about this was Gwenpool, tbqh