since when did Adventure Time get so bad? >tfw you will never

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it was always shit. deal with it

>>93667141
I'd say somewhere between flame princess showing up and jake becoming a delusional asshole who literally ruined fins life with his horrible advice

>>93667032
Islands is about the best the show has ever been. Keep up, anon.

>>93667253
>jake becoming a delusional asshole who literally ruined fins life with his horrible advice
What did he do?

>>93667854
>6 episodes of stalling and filler
>no consequences back in Ooo
>best the show has ever been
no

face it. CN wants the show done with and it's showing

It was always shit.

It's hard to pinpoint. There are bad episodes here and there even when the show was generally good, and there good episodes here and there once it went bad.
A lot of people say Red Throne is the point when the show became mostly bad. I hated that episode, but I still gave the series a shot until Breezy.
it became obvious during season 3 though that the show was going south. There are some great episodes in it (Morituri Te Salutamus, Beautopia), but it's also the season when the show starts getting up its own ass with episodes like What Was Missing, and showing that the team cannot handle story arcs with Too Young.

>>93667032
like 2012. get with the program anonarino

It was never good in first place

When it started pandering with memes and shipping and other autistic shit.

>>93667141
>>93667973
>>93668415
These

>>93667896
Gave Finn a horrible advice that ended up ruining his relationship with FP

Season 6

>>93668820
Finn was gonna ruin it anyway. They just wanted to make it look like Jake forced him into it. A relationship where the guy can't even touch the girl is doomed to fail. Blame the writers for not fixing THAT.

>>93667032
>tfw you will never watch Finn The Human/Jake The Dog for the first time again
Those episodes were boring as shit with Prismo being the only good thing to come of them

Anyway the show's pretty alright at the moment, if it gets a satisfying ending it will have had a pretty good run

>>93667953
Because the only thing that matters in a show is what happened and not how the story was told

Season 6 is where most agree it was subpar, but season 7 and 8 it actually gets pretty good. After season 6 it returned to about the quality of season 4.

>>93667032
When it became Angstventure Time
>Jeremy Shada was 13 when he first voiced Finn
>He's 20 now

>>93668134
>WWM
>not one of the most memorable episodes ever
>wahh status quo from 2011 means story arcs cannot be handled now

>>93667032
When lore became more important than adventuring

>>93669480
Confirmed for not watching the show since season 7. When is Finn full of angst? I want you to provide three episodes where this is something major in seaons 7 or 8 so I can show you how full of shit you are

>>93669496
>muh adventures
>2010+7
>still thinking Adventure Time was about adventures
It was more about Finn and Jake in Ooo

>>93669426
If we're considering it by itself, Islands was decent but definitely not the best the show's ever been. It was funny here and there...but the show used to be fucking hilarious.

The problem with Islands is it spent tons of time on drama and backstory which, if it's not going to affect anything after Islands, is a waste of time. I mean fuck, Finn finding his own species should be important, but even that didn't matter. If it doesn't matter, just don't do it in the first place!

Plus it totally murdered Finn's original backstory just to make it seem like his bio dad was not really a deadbeat who didn't care about his kid. What's wrong with him being a deadbeat who didn't even know he had a son? Why did they have to go back on something that was actually kind of cool and ballsy? Pussies to the end, swear to christ.

>>93667896
Not the same anon but after a long time thinking im guessing jake is either
Too narcissistic/nihilistic to care about his advices/finn. (im more inclined to nihilistic)
Too Childish to give a good advice (thats why his son tried to change him)

>>93669649
So you watched Islands but didn't bother to pay attention. Finn went to the Islands because he wanted answers, in Whipple the Happy Dragon he cried that he needed closure for his past. This was the purpose of the trip.
>it's not affecting anything
So what? The purpose of Islands wasn't about bringing about change, it was to answer questions. Leave questions unanswered forever because the world isn't drastically changed? Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds?
>it murdered Finn's original backstory
Finn's original backstory was that he was abandoned by his parents in the woods, and Joshua and Margaret found him. We got more information in "The Visitor" when Martin told Finn he left him behind he had the intention of coming back for him, but never did. Nothing is changed in this backstory of Finn, the only thing that was "altered" was Martin's character showing that he did care about Finn at one point. Martin has been shown to care about things to some extent in "The Lamb," he isn't completely heartless he is just selfish. Even in "The Comet" he let Finn on his ride in space. How does this make them pussies? Because they didn't do what you wanted?

>>93669706
You all have a very warped memory of what exactly happened when Jake told Finn he needs to have another premonition dream. Jake freaked out and he freaked out for good reason. It's just that Finn fucked up, albeit Jake caused him to. Personally I don't know why anyone is upset about Finn and FP's break up. She's literally made of fucking fire he can't even love her without he threatening the world. Their relationship was destined to fail

>>93669649
>What's wrong with him being a deadbeat who didn't even know he had a son? Why did they have to go back on something that was actually kind of cool and ballsy?
Uh, Martin still was that. Islands in no way made it so that Martin was always a good guy even when we met him, he was a piece of shit there and nothing changed by giving him backstory. If anything it helped the earlier moral, you can be a decent enough guy but still be a terrible dad, albeit for reasons outside of your control.

I don't get this complaint, you wanted Martin to be a horrible piece of shit from the start? Islands helped make him more dimensional without taking anything from his earlier portrayl, and he was still a shifty conman, he wasn't a super good dude at first.

>>93670002
>Their relationship was destined to fail
then base that failure off of legitimate and pre-existing reasons, like what you mentioned with her being made out of fire and their differing morals, but instead it ends because Finn has a 2deep wet dream and manipulates her into fighting Ice King.

I don't really hate the way they broke up (I don't like it either though) but it's very understandable how people think they broke up in a stupid way, the moral alignments not matching up was more foreshadowed and would have been more interesting imo

>>93667032
Season 6 was not great, no ones gonna argue that but this new season has been decent so far

adventure time was never a perfect, no show is

>>93667032
Season 3

basically this >>93667253

How come the AT fanbase is so divided on when the show was bad or good? Everyone can agree on when shows like the Simpsons, Family Guy, Spongebob, Steven Universe etc. became bad. Yet every AT thread ends up having arguments on whether certain episodes or seasons were anything between phenomenal to garbage. Why?

>>93671005
There's a lot of false flaggers that say "it was never good." From my experience there's too many voicing their opinion about the show but dropped it in season 6 and think their opinion is relevant. Another is shipping, when their headcanons don't happen it's shit writing

>>93670053
He was still around for Finn's birth, and tried to save his life. Not the best father but he tried.

I preferred how he was originally portrayed, where he didn't even know who Finn was and treated him like any other schmo. He acted like he didn't even know he had a child. Based on the backstory from Islands, it doesn't really make sense anymore.

>>93671005
AT is just weird in that it has no consistent tone or writing style. It's all over the fucking place. There is comedy, drama, bizarre artsy stuff, and there is no pattern in bouncing around between these things.

Also the comedy was always kind of absurd, so it's harder to pin down when it's funny and when it's not.

Finally the show has this special way of making the half-baked plotlines seem more significant than they are. You can read way into it and decide that the writing is more complex and interconnected than was ever intended.

Basically it's the ultimate in exploiting people who find patterns in chaos and declare it brilliant.

>>93670262
If they do that, the express the moral that some relationships are doomed because people are born different. For obvious reasons they wouldn't tolerate that.

>>93670002
>She's literally made of fucking fire he can't even love her without he threatening the world.
Why not fix it with magic? Introduce some item to work around it. They bring characters back from the fucking dead, so why not? The show has proved that it can and will do whatever the hell it feels like. So, FP/Finn failed simply because that's what the writers wanted.

Or, OR, you could have Finn be happy hugging her through aluminum foil. Their relationship could've lasted awhile that way.

Making Finn lose his gf because he was sexually frustrated, while understandable, was unnecessary. Why even go into it?

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why haven't people accepted that Huntrses Wizard is end game?

>>93671793
HW will not be in an episode for the rest of the series

>>93671679
that's a funny thing to say about a show where it's okay to kill people as long as they're evil. him not being able to stay with FP because she's evil would've fit in with that. AT has always made fun of the idea that you can be turn a bad person around if you try hard enough. Some people are just assholes.

>>93667032
I'll let you know when it happens.

>>93670295
I argue season 6 was great. Yeah, some episodes were shit like in all seasons, but it also had episodes like Escape from the Citadel, The Tower, Little Brother, Nemesis, Is That You, Jake the Brick, Evergreen, Jermaine, and You Forgot Your Floaties which are top tier.

>>93671793
It will be, and I will be smug af when that day comes.

Does anyone have a mega for Mike Inel's fan game? The newest Patreon beta, I mean.

>>93671739
>Why not fix it with magic?
It's a good thing you're not a writer. Because then PB instructing FP's father to lock her up on account of her instability wouldn't make any sense.
>They bring characters back from the fucking dead, so why not?
See above, also irrelevant.
>The show has proved that it can and will do whatever the hell it feels like.
Including giving Finn a gf knowing her wouldn't be able to have a healthy relationship with her.
>Finn be happy hugging her through aluminum foil
You're a dick that only wants to see what he wants and you only want the writers to do what you like.

>>93672304
It's only $1, and worth it.

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>>93667032
>Finn The Human/Jake The Dog
>Implying those are good episodes

>>93667854
Shit opinion, shit episodes

>>93669493
>WWM
A shit episode, nothing but singing and crying

>>93667032
People will say season 3, and I will admit it goes downhill past that point, but up until season 5 the show had more good episodes then bad.

The show went downhill when it stopped being comfy and relatable. Childish mysticism and general optimism made the show endearing, it had an incredibly positive energy.

It turned to shit because it introduced drama and angst, which just brings down your mood if you watch it.

Not to mention, as an optimistic person I cannot relate to Finn anymore given that he is constantly sullen and unenthusiastic.

>>93671411
>Based on the backstory from Islands, it doesn't really make sense anymore.
He got bashed real hard on the head, seemed to have some mental problems, and it had been so long that he forgot most everything about that life. By the time of the Visitor he remembered little bits about Finn and those memories of leaving on the boat.

I get how you could have prefered the original look of it where he knocked up Finn's mom and bailed, but it's not like what the actual show did made him into a good person or anything. He was at best a jerk turning good early on, then by the time of the show now he was horrible garbage.

>>93671005
Because people have hugely different versions of what they think true AT is, and as such there's lots of times where people dropped off. Some bailed when the show started getting "pander-ey" with stuff like What Was Missing and Fionna and Cake, others when it turned into Shipping Time, then some when the lore started getting serious, others still when there began being 2deep4U episodes. To different groups these things go against the spirit of the show and are egregious enough offences to ruin the experience.
To top it all off, you have some people who only came to the show because of some of these reasons, the exact reasons others say that the show was ruined, and then they got bored and left because there wasn't enough of these things for their taste.
AT is just a show with lots of moving parts and different aspects and some people get turned off by some of them.

Also I think it's because it changed a lot really quickly. Spongebob had like 5 or 6 years of consistent funnies, Simpsons longer, Steven Universe started getting into it's deeper side much earlier than this show, but AT had several pretty sizable transitions while being only 7 years old.

>>93672326
>Because then PB instructing FP's father to lock her up on account of her instability wouldn't make any sense.
Well, Finn would have to find or win the magic thing in a way her father couldn't, or didn't bother to.

>Including giving Finn a gf knowing her wouldn't be able to have a healthy relationship with her.
Writer conflict. I don't think the writer who created Flame Princess intended things to end that way, but she left the show and no longer had sway.

Even if Finn and FP weren't meant to stay together, the show didn't even try to make it matter. It was a pointless exercise in pain.

>>93667032
I giet why we pretty much see no humans in the show except for fin and a couple more
But how come there aren't more dog characters? Even secondary.or one off characters?

>>93667032
What do you think fucking Finn while he's in the Jake suit is like?

>>93673090
Or, if not a magic item, Finn could train FP to control her emotions, or be less evil. Her dad was evil too and obviously couldn't do that, but Finn is super good and could.

>>93673130
It seems like all the dogs mostly live in the crsyal dimension or whatever, for some reason. Jake's family seems to be an oddity in that they live in regular Ooo.

>>93668500
>AT
>Always shit
Well meme'd

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Somebody hasn't been watching the new season

>tfw nothing will ever top Islands

>>93673200
>>tfw nothing will ever top Islands
>What is Elements?

>>93673133
You'd just be fucking Jake. Which sounds great. Your own personalized dick in whatever shape you want. There should be so much Jake porn but people don't care about creativity I guess.

>>93671679
>some relationships are doomed because people are born different.
Is that not a good moral? It's true, some people are just incompatible for a relationship to work even if they want it to. Hell, if that was the route they went I feel like it would have been one of the better lessons for the youngsters that the show gave.

Instead the lesson was "young boys are horny bastards and the desire to do it will lead them to harm the people they care about and generally be pieces of shit."

>>93673206
I actually loved Elements (seems to be a bit of an unpopular opinion on /co/) but Islands was a lot stronger, Elements was unfocused and didn't have enough of a good central concept and the ending left some to be desired.
Though Elements did have Cloudy which is probably the single best AT episode from the past 3 years or so, so there is that.

Since the start? I couldn't even finish season 1. I really did try, but it was just unwatchable.

I honestly haven't been keeping up with the show. I've haven't even watch islands yet, even though there's a compilation with all of the episodes on YouTube.

>>93673208
He's not yiffy enough for furries to care and for some reason AT porn artists don't care for tentacle monsters

>>93673256
It's best to think of Elements as a string of connected but separate episodes rather than a single, cohesive narrative. Stakes was probably the best at pulling that off honestly. In spite of that, I enjoyed Elements more than both of the other miniseries.

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>>93667032
I really wish this moping about would stop already. The last few mini-arcs have been great. I kinda teared up when Finn found Jake in that blue shifter form. It's the mark of the end times for this show.

>>93672559
>as an optimistic person I cannot relate to Finn anymore given that he is constantly sullen and unenthusiastic.
man hearing that really bums me out. I don't think I ever really related to Finn but he's been my fav from the start and is still my favorite. sorry he's not doing it for you anymore man.

he did get pretty beaten down by life for a while but I never thought he lost that much passion. though I don't know, maybe the reason I still like him is that he's triggering my paternal instincts or some shit.

>>93673511
Finn x suffering is the real OTP.

>>93673208
But if you were fucking Finn in the Jake suit up the ass, it would be like fucking Finn but tighter, wouldn't it? Jake can't stretch out Finn's ass by himself.

finn suffering

also this >>93671535

>>93673598
You mean it'd be like using Jake as a condom to fuck Finn up the ass? Or would you be going up both their asses at the same time? Jesus christ anon why are you making me think about this

>>93673780
Well, when the condom is a living thing, it is sort of the same, isn't it? Besides, from Finn's perspective would it be more like getting fucked with a condom or getting DP'd?

>>93673881
DP'd as in two dicks up the ass at the same time? It would only be like that if Jake's dick was somehow involved in it as well. I suppose Jake can stretch his flesh into numerous 'dicks' but they'd be more like furry dildos. Only his one real dick would actually unsheathe from the fur and ejaculate and such.

>>93674112
Here is a better idea
Finn could get in the Jake suit and Jake could stretch his dick around Finn's penis in condom like fashion
So when Jake suit fin. Fucked someone it would be like being fucked by both of them at.the same time
It certainly would be pleasurable.for both of them
Hell if you want to get crazy you can fuck fljakes penis o. It's own

>>93674187
>Jake could stretch his dick around Finn's penis in condom like fashion
can he do that? can Jake stretch every single part of his body independently, including external organs like the tongue, the eyeballs, or the penis?

>>93674344
oh wait I think I recall him stretching an eyeball into a keyhole before. I guess he can.

>>93674344
>can he do that? can Jake stretch every single part of his body independently, including external organs like the tongue, the eyeballs, or the penis?
he made his liver giant once specifically to cure himself of poison, so yes

>>93674344
>>93674645
and the scene in question;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UU0BcTLzw

>>93674683
hehe

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>>93673200
>>93673206
Both absolute fucking garbage specials with no entertainment value.

Stop pretending season 8 hasn't been basically all garbage.

>>93675546
But it's been a great season anon.

>>93675546
season 8 hasn't had any bad episodes aside from the intro two parter and James Baxter
imo

>>93675586
Well, let's see let's count the good episodes.

>Beyond The Grotto
>I am a sword
>Five Short Tables
>Daddy-Daughter Card Wars
>~Two Swords~
>Do No Harm
>Wheels

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

A new high score. Such a great season.

>>93676139
Wait, no half of those were season 7.
>~Two Swords~
>Do No Harm
>Wheels

3, Season 8 had 3 good episodes.

Pretty high-quality season.

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>>93667032
After letting it stew for a while, I decided I fucking hated the conclusion of the young PB arc in Too Young. To tell the truth, I wouldn't have even minded much if it inevitably ended with her returning to her regular age *if they had built up to that ending* and fleshed out the story over several episodes. But what they did was a textbook status quo copout that defeated the purpose of even establishing those long-term arcs the show became known for in an era of phoned-in Reset Button cartoons.

I still stuck with the show and loved it afterwards, but when the season five premiere came out, the conclusion to the year-long arc they had been building up to, and it turned out to be an anticlimactic, worthless 22 minutes that furthered just about *goddamn nothing* in the Lich arc, it never felt the same, and that's the cutoff point for me. Later, the show changed direction in tone and many of the scripts became standard bland philosophical edgeporn bullshit and they fucked it all up with Flame Princess's arc and refused to alter status quo once again with Jake the Dad... but let's face it, those are just more consequences of the incompetent writers that caused the earlier season problems I mentioned.

Or maybe it was executive meddling all along.

>>93669493
WWM was basically a bottle episode, and while I love some episodes in that style both in this show and others, WWM stunk. It's around the point when I realized AT's humor was becoming stale, and the central drama of the episode just wasn't handled well. There's nothing clever enough about the situation to keep it interesting from a logical perspective, so with the emotional elements also being unfulfilling there's basically nothing working. I'm Just Your Problem is unjustifiably dramatic given the characters and situation we're presented. I Remember You feels out of place in the series, given how dramatic it is while being focused on a side character and the main "villain", but it's such a better episode, and the eponymous song there works because it's built on drama and story built up in that episode and throughout the series.

>>93671005
Lots of people got lots of different things out of the show, and more so than the examples you gave those elements were based on who was boarding what episode.
Spongebob and The Simpsons died when major shakeups happened behind the scenes all at once at the start of a new season. AT saw writers come and go, start up their own shows while still writing a few episodes here and there, some writers gaining more control over the show and Ward let go of the reigns, etc.

>>93676219
The premiere was one of the weakest episodes this season. And Five Short Tables? Seriously? You honestly really bad taste.

The real best episodes this season are:
>High Strangeness
>JellyBeans Have Power
>The Invitation
>Imaginary Resources
>Min and Marty
>Orb
>Cloudy

Stories

>>93671005
Because the show is so vastly different depending on the point in time, and while this is not objectively bad, if you enjoyed season 1 you might not enjoy season 7 and vice versa, they're almost two completely different shows, but neither is objectively worse than the other.

Simpsons, Spongebob or Family Guy however are the same basic show, just done a lot worse in the modern times.

There is a lot of disagreement about SU as well, I think it has the same problem AT does.

>>93673024
>Fionna and Cake
Christ, I completely forgot how bad those episodes are until I had to watch them again the other night. I loved the idea of them, but they're written and performed like they're for a completely different audience than that of the show (or at least when the show began). Fionna is so boring compared to Finn, at least at the point that she was introduced. Hell, most of the characters in that universe that aren't Cake or basically the same as their real world equivalents (LSP). The casting is SO BAD for those episodes.

>>93676708
>Implying Five Short Tables is bad

Also if by premiere you mean Two Swords, it's not the best episode but its miles above all the episodes you mentioned.

>>93676768
Imagine having this shit of an opinion.

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>>93675546
Holy shit, you FOPfags still exist?

I would've thought you all died out when the season became flash.

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enough whining about the show, let's post lewd(but /co/ safe) fanart

>>93676790
Are you the same guy who argued Onion Gang was a good SU episode?

>>93676768
I still think the first one is really good but all the others are boring as hell.

And even though I think Fionna's VA is one of the most boring on the show (it's like impossible for her to sound enthusiastic about anything) the way she bashed the shit out of Ice Queen with the block of ice made me like her.

>>93676795
I would have this discussion but it's going to be you autistically claiming

>"Having bad seasons later make the earlier seasons bad too"
or
>"Early FOP was bad"

Both of which are retarded claims not worthy of a response.

>>93676814
Fuck you, I've never claimed an episode of SU was good.

>>93676880
Well I wouldn't put it past you.

>>93676863
>seasons later make the earlier seasons bad

>>93672559
see that's your problem, you don't have daddy issues and therefore cannot relate to Finn
if you did, you'd like him much much more

>>93672559
>WWM nothing but singing and crying
The only tears that were shed was after everyone left the door. And that was about 10 seconds.
>not liking Marceline's voice
You opinion is terrible and you should feel like shit.

>constantly sullen and unenthusiastic.
When? He just doesn't speak with as much energy because he is older along with his voice actor. Even then he speaks upbeat and never lowers his voice while talking.

>>93678422
he is pretty unenthusiastic and I'd argue it's because of depression but whatever

>>93678462
Finn hasn't been "depressed" since season 6. He deals with heavy things sometimes but he's always dealt with something heavy within an episode since season 1.

>>93678493
>what is music hole

>>93673024
This is the only correct answer

>>93678510
And at the end of the episode he got right back up after realizing that he is fortunate to have people that love him. He was down for about a total 3 minutes.

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>tfw jamming out to old AT background music remembering better days
https://soundcloud.com/staypuft
feels good and bad a the same time.

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>>93678558
>Stakes was two years ago

>>93678608
>the show will almost definitely be over less than a year from now
Legitimately not sure what I'm gonna do with myself.

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>>93678631
I know what I'm gonna do

>>93678558
I never realized that both
1. Biz Markie was that rapping snail and
2. his beat was actually fantastic

Who else is looking forward to Jake fulfilling his croak dream in the finale?

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>>93679466
no

>>93679471
Why not? It'll be great. Jake will sacrifice himself to save the day, and Finn will reach peak suffering before embarking on his own journey as a full-fledged adult.

>>93678558
>tfw his work on AT is almost over

http://nastysonix.com/post/162628940299/im-just-about-wrapping-up-work-on-adventure

>>93669600
>>93669600
I think the main take away, is that even mundane things can be adventures with the right mindset

read: having good imagination, and courage to speak your mind.

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>>93679490
>Finn will reach peak suffering
is that even possible? has he not reached it already? can he suffer more? life is full of wonders! I love it!

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What are you guys expecting from the season finale?

https://ask.fm/MrMuto/answers/143415325128

>>93667141
fpbp

>>93681167
The official soundtrack.

Also, a new Adventure Time game has been announced for consoles and PC.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/301233/Outright_Games_Announces_New_Cartoon_Network_Licenses_forMultiple_Platforms.php

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>>93683158
>"Adventure Time will feature the Land of Ooo submerged into watery chaos, where exploration, battle and even interrogation will be key skills to unplugging the mystery."
>https://www.outrightgames.com/our-games/

Finn and Jake Investigations 2? Eh, not what I was hoping for this late in the series since it might be the last game from the Adventure Time license, but whatever.