The Divided States of Hysteria #1 Storytime

His mistake was pandering to them in the first. SJWs dont read comics

>>93641982
>Howard Chaykin on his third run of apologies

What apology?

http://www.freaksugar.com/chaykin-responds/

>>93641982
I that title a Humanwine reference?

>>93642136
he didn't pander to them, as a matter of fact, he consciously stir some shit to vent

>>93641982
Is that that sjw comic that sjws hate?

>>93642184
that tweets are infuriating and make it a chore to read

>>93642207
it's an anti-sjw comics (I mean, look at the title of the comic), so them hating is a natural outcome

>>93642207
Yes.

A honest question, slightly related to the topic.
Why is "Paki" considered a racial slur?
Is brit, kraut, yankee a racial slur too?

>>93641982
The cuck here is Chaykin, not the SJWs.

>>93642522
fuck the Yankees

>>93642231
>>93642175
If this is true, why are both Chaykin and Image apologizing several times now?

>>93642620
I take that as yes?

>>93642664
they're the baseball team that America unites in hatred of

>>93642660
Image apologized.
Chaykin kinda gave a half-assed one that blamed the critics and sjws.

>>93642660
Chaykin didn't apologize, Image caught coldfeet

>>93642522
"Kraut" was often used in a derogatory manner during WWII. Brit and Yank are rarely ever used in a flattering manner either. I guess the main difference is that Pakis are brown and the others are white. God forbid a brown person get offended.

>>93642522
It CAN BE a racial slur, but to hypersensitive people, that means it's ALWAYS a racial slur. Also kraut is hilarious and I think it should make a come back.

>>93642741

You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>93642522

Ignore what >>93642741 is saying, as he is currently choking to death on his father's semen-crusted feces.
Anyway, just Google it. It's derogatory based on how it's used, the context.

>>93642660
Chaykin agreed with Image's decision to pull the cover only because he didn't want other people to get badly affected indirectly. But he never apologized to the side attacking him. He also says:

>It should also be noted that, in the first issue, an e-mail address was provided for a letter column, which commences in issue two. As of this writing, not a single e-mail in regard to this controversy has been sent to this email address, indicating in all likelihood that the people attacking the material still haven’t read the book. Go figure.

>>93642184
What are pre-ww2 tanks doing there?
Is this serious?

>>93642741
>>93642770
Thank you for explanation. I honestly thought that it's a short term for Pakistani, etc.
(I use Brit and Kraut a lot. Sometimes Yanks, Japs, and rarely Russki/Katsap)

Wish the series was in black and white.

The colorist cheapens the look

OP is a dummy, Chaykin didn't apologize.

>>93642803
>It's derogatory based on how it's used, the context.
Well, then Spaghetti can also be a racial slur, if used in proper context :%)

>>93642803
How am I wrong, exactly? About krauts? About pakis being brown?

>>93642843
I guess >>93642660 is OP

>>93642862
well, you were dishonest about the reality of paki. it has a history of a racial slur, and I guarantee you that Indians and Afghanis get called pakis in the UK. yes, people get way too offended over things, but that doesn't mean it's as simple as rayciss sjws keepin' you down either.

>>93641982

>Or you can still continue to believe that not having your feelings hurt is in the bill of rights somewhere–despite the fact that I’m still not quite sure what all the fuss is about. For the record, apologies are for the guilty.

I never really cared about Howard Chaykin. but holy shit do I respect this guy now

Why are people getting mad at satire?

>>93642926
I never denied paki was a racial slur. It's considered more of a slur than the others, which depend on context, and who is saying it.

>>93642926
Or that someone should use it.
Sometimes people say that because they want to offend.
Context and maybe voice are important when something is an insult or not.

I can't say I sympathize or care about Chaykin.

If he had a point to make and people were being oversensitive about it, it's one thing. But he's just looking for attention and shock value for the point of shock value. It makes him no better than an /b/-tard posting gore in other boards until the mods ban him.

I still can't understand Chaykin's political views.
Is he a SJW? Why do SJWs hate him?

>>93643272
He only published one issue so far
I won't be surprised if he has to publish it elsewhere, like, Avatar?

>>93643334
He calls himself left-winger, albeit he is not delusional

>>93641982
You know, I mocked this when it first came out, and so did most of /co/ - but we never demanded it be censored and the creator be forced to publicly abase himself.

I'm seriously tempted to buy this comic now, just to give a big fuck you to the new generation of Werthams.

>>93643334
He's far-left, but he's anti-censorship, so he's not a SJW.

They hate him because a transgendered character got attacked by a transphobe in issue #1, and the cover of issue #4 shows a Muslim man lynched by racists - which SJWs somehow interpret to mean that he genuinely wants his readers to attack transgendered people and murder Muslims.

>>93643511
And like Chaykin said about the cover getting pulled:

>I have no regrets in this action, as I abhor the idea of the impact of collateral damage inflicted on anyone not responsible for drawing the attention of these people, who represent themselves as members of the liberal left.

>It should also be noted that, in the first issue, an e-mail address was provided for a letter column, which commences in issue two. As of this writing, not a single e-mail in regard to this controversy has been sent to this email address, indicating in all likelihood that the people attacking the material still haven’t read the book. Go figure.

>I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions about censorship via regressive liberalism.

>>93643511
>"So now that liberal-center-left narcissism, with a healthy dose of identity politics, has lost the game to right-wing ignorance and hypocrisy-driven rage, and I find myself anticipating a future spent in a live-action dystopia, the book seems almost naively cheerful and filled with hope. Go figure,"
sauce: >>93641982

>Chaykin pandering to liberals

But he's like diet Frank Miller

>>93641982
I wanna see the lynching cover that title suggests.

Read this last time it was posted.

The story it self is basically offensive to everyone in a weird level playing field that makes us all pieces of shit.
There's worse and more offensive comics out there.

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>>93644014
It's nothing that graphic in my opinion.

>>93644091
>The story it self is basically offensive to everyone
That's why it's hated.
You're supposed to be only offensive to the "bad guys"

>>93644095
Eh I could see people not liking it. I mean it is a brutal death, and dude has his pants down so that's kinda nudity on the cover usually that gets censors wanting to step in.
Sounds like a vocal minority that's causing everyone to pay attention to this thing most shouldn't care about.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised some of these news articles and threads weren't made to PROMOTE the comic. I mean this is getting a lot more people paying attention to it. Certainly /co/ since this is like the 3rd thread.

>>93644175
It was getting plenty of attention from /co/ when it first came out.
But then we were mocking it, now we're defending it.

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>>93644095
bigger

>>93644095
desu I wouldn't approve of displaying that cover in a store where kids could potentially see it. It should have been nixed by Image on those grounds alone.

>>93644344
This isn't a kiddie comic.

>>93644369
Kids can still see the cover. I know adult comics come bagged so kids can't get into them, but putting it in something opaque so that the cover isn't visible at all is a bit much for just this one issue.

My opinion of comic 'journalists' has reached an all-time low after some of the pieces they published as a response. The demands they were placing on Image, Chaykin and the public were absolutely shocking too;

>they wanted to boycott Image at the sake of all other creators involved
>they wanted said unaffiliated creators to state their stance lest they be held accountable, even though they've fucking nothing to do with it
>they wanted Eric Stephenson to resign

Props to Chaykin for not bending over and taking it in the ass. The public should NOT get to dictate what a creator does in their own story just because it offends them. That's called censorship, no matter what way you look at it.

>>93644412
It's pretty sad.

>>93644412
It was kind of amazing to see the vast majority of the Bleeding Cool readership side with Chaykin.

Whatever happened to that CALEXIT comic they were gonna make? Heard nothing of it since they announced it literally after the election.

>>93645152
I think that's Black Mask, not Image.

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>>93644412
JUST VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET

IF YOU HATE IT DON'T BUY IT

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>>93644412
I would say what's sadder is the comics professionals that also advocated for this book to be censored or removed from store shelves.

It's like guys you know if it happens to this book your books are also fair game, right? Outrage and outrage culture knows no boundaries. How do these people think we got the Comics Code Authority?

>>93642522
Because it's usually used by someone who's bashing someone's head in or getting ready to vote for discriminatory laws.

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Controversy aside, why is the art so godawful?

This comic feels like ironic shitposting, I don't understand the levels of chess in this

>>93645604
The reason it's used by those people is because nice people have been browbeaten into not saying it

See how it just feeds into itself?

>I think paki is a slur so stop saying paki
>People who don't give a shit about being nice keep saying paki
>Look, only assholes say paki so stop saying paki

>>93643511
>a transgendered character got attacked by a transphobe in issue #1
The worst part is that they didn't even treat the trans character negatively. In fact, she shot and killed the transphobes in literally her first appearance. I'm not sure about whether I like the comic or not, but you can't say that's transphobic.

>>93645833
If not for the shitstorm I wouldn't have read it.

But it's fucking godawful so I'm not going to buy it either so who knows.

>>93645884
Right. So, understanding this connotation, the only people who insist on continuing to use it are the ones who purposely intend to recall its association with violence. You don't call someone a paki without it being an implicit threat.

>>93645884
This leaves out the part where the word was coined and widely employed by the kind of people who'd smear it on the neighbor's house in what smells suspiciously like human feces.

>>93645887
It's transphobic for even showing someone being transphobic.

I wish I were being sarcastic.

>>93642221
>>93642246
>>93642276
This really don't seem to be anti sjv.
Which I don't mind.

>>93645994
Right, like how Guild Wars 2, infested with current year as it was, got shit for including the Sons of Svanir. A bunch of insane dragon-worshiping cultists the game demands you kill without remorse. They we MISOGYNISTS and that was REALLY problematic

>>93644344
Editorial does that to some extent.
Young wanted 'I Hate Fairyland' to be titled 'Fuck Fairyland', Image said no but gave him a line of variant covers featuring his title.

I guess my point is retailers can decide that for themselves and you're a puritanical faggot kys desu.

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>>93642741
Oh my god.. this makes me sick.
Trump isn't evil and white people aren't evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKOQdcVoRys

>>93645655
Chayin seems to be relying too much on computers, it seems. Also, he can only draw three different faces.

>>93646218

How do they function? So you can't even have ANYONE be villains in fiction and media when SJWs are concerned? By that logic the only thing you CAN make are for pre-schoolers.

>>93645655
>why is the art so godawful?
Because Chaykin's best years are behind him. I don't know anyone that defends his post 2000's art

>>93646617
>>93642741
Wanted to quote op.

>>93647110

Man, who'd thought we live in a word where a social media site ended up having similar power as an independent ratings board, without the professionalism.

>>93647547

Hot damn. That "comic codes authority twitter" pic got deleted. Wonder why?

I find the outrage funny because it's giving the book and Chaykin more attention than they'd would normally get. Nobody said shit about Midnight of the Soul.

>>93647727
Yeah #1 got a second printing

>let's show Jew York that allah means business
I kekd harder than I should've, how did he get away with this

>>93641982
Based Chaykin NEVER apologizes.

>>93647639
Mods are faggots who probably sided with the people bitching on Twitter instead of actually moderating.
It was probably redwood

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>>93645428
>It's like guys you know if it happens to this book your books are also fair game, right? Outrage and outrage culture knows no boundaries. How do these people think we got the Comics Code Authority?

Don't be silly. It'll never happen to them. After all, they're the good guys, they're on the correct side of history, and they'll never lose power. Right?

>>93647823
Image is basically a printer, Chaykin gave them a pitch and I doubt anyone on their skeleton crew looked at his comic before it hit stands.

>>93647943
I get that but seriously, there had to have been one guy that saw this and either went "I don't care" or "this is gonna be fun"

>>93644412
There were also some creators I'm disappointed in.

>>93642115
>>93642140
>>93642158
>black guy with gun
>pointing gun at swat

AANNNNNNND IMMERSION RUINED

>>93649155
I'm glad Graham never backed down, he just apologized for the way he said his ideas to some people. For a guy that's so left he can't read Judge Dredd he truly believes everyone should have a voice and knows that it makes comics a better scene.

It's really telling that some of his trans friends got harassed by the " tolerance" crowd.

>>93645887
i don't think it's the supposed transphobia that has them in a twist. it's the fact that Chaykin dared to depict a tranny as a sex worker facing real adversity rather than the perfect, awesome, amazing, can do no wrong, smarter and wiser than everyone saints they really are... according to them

>>93646797
he also seems to have an even harder time drawing feet than Liefeld

>>93642352
>paul even berg

oy vey

>>93649437
That's nearly word for word what he said to Grant Morrison taking offense to Black Kiss.

>>93642810
BASED

I doubt that all the people who rage on twitter over this had the guts to say the same words to Howard in person.

>>93650988
Why is there always at least one guy who talks about Chaykin as if he's a UFC fighter? He's a gaunt old man and he writes dialogue like an autie, what exactly is there to fear?

>>93643405
Say what you will about 4chan, at least we read it to make fun of it instead of literally judging a book by it's cover.

>>93643405
This, it's a shitshow of a comic but literally tearing it down over politics is absurd. I still want to see how much shittier it can get, too

>>93651200
He has a well earned rep for being like a brutal comedian destroying a heckler. Would he actually literally kick your ass? No but he'll tear you apart you long enough until you either walk away or security walks your ass out.

>>93642136
Chakyin was writing about dickgirls getting hatecrime horsecocked to death back in the Reagan Administration. He's not pandering. He's always been this way.

There's practically an entire section of the CLBDF dedicated to him, as his shit from back then keeps getting banned in new places to this very day.

>>93642660>>93642717


Are you kidding? The man gives less fucks than Christopher Priest. That's something that I did not think was possible.

>My country has become a cesspool of arrogant, over-opinionated and willfully ignorant narcissists on both sides of the political aisle. But while the right seems to operate in a maddeningly cohesive manner, behaving like the cowards who encouraged bullies to beat the shit out of me in grammar school, committing treason in the name of holding to white privilege, the left has become a cadre of entitlement, supplanting that misbegotten white privilege with a series of assumptions about behavior–specifically others’ behavior–that creates a deeply hostile victim culture.

>And of course, that left has evolved into a culture and community that feels that a white, cisgendered male has no right to tell stories of characters who are not white cisgendered males. Beyond its obvious and ridiculous limitations, this is just one more variety of fascism with a sympathetic and friendly face–from a left that still hasn’t figured out a cohesive way to save itself, the country and the world from the crushing monster that my country has become.

>>93643334
He's pretty hard left, about Green Arrow level.
>Is he a SJW?
No.
>Why do SJWs hate him?
Because his work is violent as fuck, and he loves the first amendment like Frank Castle loves guns.

>>93643955
>It's alll the assholes of sin city with twice the dickgirls!

>>93651506
I've heard of those encounters and I can't say his rhetoric sounds all that intimidating.

Though you're right, I can't think of many people who would want the drama with security, they'd probably kick my ass too

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>>93651599
>committing treason in the name of holding to white privilege

>>93651658
shooting members of congress is treason no matter why they do it. practically speaking it just makes martyrs of them and emboldens their crappy cause

>>93651613
>I can't say his rhetoric sounds all that intimidating.

Well it's jarring because he looks like an old high school math teacher so when he verbally machine guns you he's like a pro and the thing is? He never gets angry...annoyed yeah but he keeps his cool and he truly gives no fucks.

>>93642184
Lmao why ar there m3 Stuart tanks

>>93651865
To inexperienced people I'm sure it would be jarring but anyone from the mid to north east coast knows that middle-aged men are almost constantly waiting for a reason to grill you

>>93649548
What happened there?

>>93653541
Morrison did some reviews in the late 80's for something called ARK magazine and he railed on Chaykin and Black Kiss. This is an interview from last year.

http://www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/interview/howard-chaykin-speaks-2/

> People seemed to be almost going out of their way to be offended about Black Kiss. I recall Grant Morrison calling it “adolescent homophobic mummy’s boy jerk-off fantasy drivel”, a strong reaction, following up with about 1000 words on why it was so awful that you had done this thing. Why do you think people had such a hysterical reaction to it?
> Chaykin: And as for Mr. Morrison, he was then and is now entitled to his opinion. At least he signed his name, as opposed to the rampant pack of chickenshits, cowards, pissants and pussies who haunt the blogosphere.

> Ironically, these days you’d have a lot of people calling out Grant for being Transphobic.
> Chaykin: Really? What for? Or is this one of those instances where he’s unintentionally hurt some identity politician’s feelings by not portraying a transgender character as Mother Teresa with dick?

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>>93654014
Damn he's fucking pissed

Does the heart good to see people who disagree with me also bitch about identity insanity

Honestly, the comic is kind of shit. Chaykin's art is actually kind of decent but it's hard to see it since it's covered noticeably shitty text and coloring. The story is also kind of stupid, it just seems like something made to cause as most outrage as possible without anything meaningful behind it. Shit, I'll give him props for not folding like paper in the face of controversy. He might be an extreme libtard but at least he understands outrage culture is essentially a cancer for the left.

>>93642522
Because it's used as a slur.
Consider the following. "Oriental" is not considered a slur in the UK (unless someone's been consuming too much of the Electric American) because it's not used as a slur. It's a vague ethno-geographic descriptor. In the States it is a slur because it's used as a slur.

>>93643405
Never buy something out of spite. Even if you want to support someone, don't buy their work just to make some kind of point even if you don't like it.

>>93645405
It's such a shame. Our corporate culture has gotten so out of control that pretty much any complaint can result in some sort of action no matter how ridiculous it may be. If a company gets even a whiff of controversy, more often than not they need bend over backwards to show they're doing something about it. A bunch of SWJs have realized this and have begun to weaponize this outrage to basically get various entertainment companies to do whatever they demand.

>>93647918
I thought niggerwood got booted years ago.

>>93654239
Why not? It's an investment. Instead of being in an investment for money, it's a different type of investment - one for the future, one to help our side, the side of sanity, the side that opposes censorship above all else, win.

>>93654381
I just want to point out that the same kind of thought-process was what made She Who Shall Not Be Named popular. A bunch of people donated to her Kickstarter out of spite despite not really liking her content just to prove the other side wrong and look where that's got us.

>>93642276
Funny thing, sjw's claimed that this segment was PROMOTING violence against the transgendered, since apparently portrayal = support regardless of context.

>>93654014
>>93654092
The man is like a one man shitposting machine.

>Of course, I do believe that what we have here is a very early example of what’s come to be known in academic circles as vindictive protectiveness – championing a minority of which Mr. Morrison isn’t actually a part, while needing to heroically interject against a perceived injustice against them.

>>93654239
>>93654381
Buy some of his GOOD shit instead, like American Flagg.

>>93649437
>Wow? You're trans?
>Being trans takes real strength of mind.

>>93642812
>>93651911
I think they're there just to show off. But I don't think the national security would put heavy vehicles like tanks in case of terrorist threat.

But honestly I guess the auhtor fucked it up.

>>93641982
Is this the new edgy, try hard shit comic now that Crossed is over?

>>93656695
I think it's a man experiencing schizophrenic dissociation as he enters old age.

>>93654509

And people here keep saying SJWs are "just a boogeyman who have no real power." WHAT'S THIS THEN?

>>93656714
He's been doing shit like this for the past 40 years.

>>93642352
>berg
oh vey

>>93642184
>M3 Stuarts

American Legion isn't the only place you can find tanks, Jesus Christ.

>>93649437
THIS

>>93654504
It was spergs chimping out about her that made her popular, because it gave her something juicy to complain about that the media gleefully seized upon.

>>93654709
>Buy some of his GOOD shit instead, like American Flagg.

I already have it. Plus, no one's freaking out about it; I doubt SJWs even know it exists.

>>93657540
That's exactly what I'm wondering. If this was just a bunch of people whining, it wouldn't be much different from a /co/ thread.
But somehow they have the ear of both supposed journalists (who never bother to question) and decision makes in the industry.

How the fuck did that happen?

>>93645655
Baucause Chaykin should have stopped drawing like 20 years ago.

Digital compositing only added to the weakness of his brick jawed and clenched teeth everyone.

>>93642221
>>93642246
>>93642276
Let's be honest, not even the blind can't tell when someone's a tranny.

None of them pass.

Being a whore is also the second most likely job for a tranny after being a welfare leech.

>>93654180
The comic is full-on shit. The only respectable thing about it is his response to the controversy

>>93646837
No. White males make for fine villain according to SJWs. But only white males.

>>93642352
Manlet

>>93660729

But what's the point if they're not allowed to actually show how evil they are? What, they're meant to be humble and respecful with the only indicator of them being evil is because the heroes said so? The heroes xan beat them to death with no impunity while the villains just take it? Who would read that?

>>93641982
Thanks.

>>93658120
I think you could see the signs of things happening like this as far back as Scans Daily.

>>93662727
I don't remember much of it on Scans Daily, other than an occasionally idiotic comment.

Then again, liberalism seemed friendly and welcoming back then, not hateful and censorious. Lots of things that would never have pinged on my radar when I was younger that I would notice now.

Anything in particular come to mind?

>>93663837
Not him but there was a marked shift during maybe 2008, a little before 2007. The tone felt like it went from being actually welcoming to pretending to be welcoming. seemed like there was a lot of snark first, ask questions later. That's not limited to Scans Daily, though.

>>93641982

>>93663837
>Anything in particular come to mind?

I don't know if it's still up but find the entry that talked about the Hickman issue of Fantastic Four where they celebrated Franklin's birthday.

>>93665650

>>93664075
Well, snark is to be expected, though that's another thing that used to seem fun and now seems threatening.

Much prefer snark to censorship, tho. Nothing wrong with mocking "problematic" things.

>>93665706
Found it.
https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1390729.html
Don't see anything SJWish here? They're not even complaining about the use of the word "retard" (a common grade school insult the SJWs inexplicably managed to turn into a forbidden slur in one of their first assaults on free speech).

Wish we could still see the scans, tho.

>>93641982
>now that liberal-center-left narcissism, with a healthy dose of identity politics, has lost the game to right-wing ignorance and hypocrisy-driven rage
He's not wrong. That's the best part. People who are bitching about it are just proving him right.

I mean fuck there's so much bad about the book, at least pick a legitimate thing to complain about. If you don't like the cover that much, don't buy it. Don't own it. Congratulations, you are now not supporting whatever bigoted messages you feel the comic contains.

>>93642039
That top panel is such a clusterfuck on the eyes