The meme is dead. Bury it.

>>93640887
You mean making console war threads?
I dunno, OP.

>>93640887
Quesada and Jemas mistook comics for professional wrestling, so they decided to pick up where Shooter left off and take every opportunity to petulantly shit on the competition while encouraging everyone else to do the same.

Jemas is gone and Quesada was promoted to a different position, but the atmosphere that they fostered remains.

>>93640887
>Comic sales are down
>Wonder Woman a commercial and critical success

B-Batman v. Superman, am I right goys?

>>93640887

Just goes to show Marvel will make desperate attempts to trash the competition so they look better and that they purposefully bully other studios into making shitty attempts at cinematic universes or franchises like theirs or Transformers so they can be the kings. It's why they bought Star Wars in case Capeshit fails them.

>>93640964
Best post.

>>93641036

>Marvel bought Star Wars

Because if it mocked the MCU it would be a dry and bland joke as well.
>Orange slices XD

>>93641036
>desperate attempts
I wouldn't call shitting on BvS desperate, everyone does it.

>>93641417
Hell, every other area of DC mocked the movies.

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>>93640983
>he thinks Wonder Woman's success will make people forget that two coked up Hollywood douchebags thought that Superman and Batman's moms having the same name would make for a mindblowing resolution

>>93641560
>cancerous tripfag
>faggy fanboy

You and /tv/ should leave the board.

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>>93641483
At some point though, the attack becomes just petty and pitiful

>>93641560
So you're saying people only like BvS to upset the people they don't live?

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>>93641712
>People only like Trump and Batman v Superman to annoy others
What delusion! Sad!

>>93640887
Most talked about movies of 2016.


And probably 2017.


How can Snyder be so based?

>>93641689
Whoever runs the DC Twitter page needs a raise for that.

>>93641750
Try making a movie not using the 2 most iconic heroes.

>>93640964
Talking shit about based Jim?
What, are you neutered or something?

>>93640887

>deadpool writers still cant write deadpool

DUDE FOURTH WALL REFERENCES EVERY PAGE LMAO

CHIMICHANGA

>>93640887
There is a fine line between joking and being bitter

And Marvel is getting closer to bitter

>>93641824
Also making it a critical flop to boot.

Seriously. If he had made a decently well received film, people would have watched it, talked about it for a while and moved on.
But it being a dud makes sure people will keep talking about it for years.

>>93640887
Because the movie was bad, and thus rightfully mocked.

/thread

>>93641892
This run is solid as fuck tho, and the drawing action is very above the usual thing of big 2 shit.

>>93640887
>Why do Marvel keep doing this?
insecurity

kinda curious. What did you guys think of the Director's cut of the film?

>>93641555

That was never the point of that scene and you know it.

>>93640887
>Why do Marvel keep doing this?
Because Marvel is getting BTFO in comics, BTFO in animation, BTFO in vidya, BTFO in tv, and now BTFO in movies with Wonder Woman, the last and only place where something with the Marvel name is more successful compared to their competitors. They've been getting rightfully shit on for more than a year by even normie outlets and their awfulness has penetrated even Disney's drone shilling umbrella. So they do what even 4chan shitposters do - fall back on tired jokes from +1yrs. ago in order to try and reconnect to their suffering fanbase and remind them of a time when they weren't the current laughingstock of their industry. Because actually exerting effort and putting out good material is hard, so you might as well pull out memes while their house burns down around them.

>>93642183
>BTFO in vidya
proofs?

>>93640887
It's fucking deadpool!

>>93642205
Batman and Injustice.
I look forward to Spider-Man, but it looks too cinematic and a Batman clone.

>>93641740
but it's true. everyone I see who supports trump says that they only do so to piss off liberals

>>93642183
Have you read the current run from where that come from? It's better than most things from DC and Marvel.

Also, do you really think that there is a conspiracie manipulated by the higher ups for this?

You are patethic.

>>93640887
"That one scene that sets up the next eight movies. Just make this one satisfying"
That's basicly all of Age of Ultron and almost every marvel movie has a scene ir two that do the exact same thing
Talk about pot calling the kettle black

>>93642225
>Injustice

You mean that game where everyone is completely out of character to suck Batman's cock. Yeah, what a triumph

>>93642183
>Only one good movie
>DC IS TOTALLY DESTROYING MARVEL IN MOVIES GUYS

>>93642384
Well DC has an Oscar after 3 films and Marvel has none after... how many?

>>93642416
>DUDE MAKEUP LMAO

BvS might have been shit, but Marvel certainly is one to talk given the state of their comics. I dont care about the DCEU, Im just glad DC Rebirth is going strong

>>93642384
It's on pace to beat GotG2 domestically and will likely get an Oscar for something.

>>93642164
They thought they were being so clever though.
>Snyder: So we got all this set-up for them to fight, but how do we get them back on the same side.
>Goyer: Superman and Batman have a lot in common. But they just don't see it yet. We need to bridge the gap somehow. They need some kind of common ground. Something really basic.
>Snyder: Dude, dude! You know their moms have the same name.
>Goyer: Dude! Have Superman say his mom's name when Batman is about to kill him. That will remind him of his own parents death and how he's in danger of becoming the very thing he fought. It will also relate back to the idea of Superman being human, because he too cares about his mother. And Bruce will see that now.
>Snyder: Man it writes itself! But wait, why would Clark call his mom by her first name?
>Goyer: Don't sweat the small stuff! This is gold, man. Solid gold.

It's a lynchpin of the entire script. And it's utterly silly.

>>93642416
Rooney, shut the fuck up. No one gives a shit about capeshit, be it Marvel or DC movie.

>>93642416
You can't be using this argument seriously, holy shit

>>93642445
>I-it's a shit award! -t. Someone who isn't good enough to win even a shit award.

>>93642456
To be fair, Rebirth is mostly mediocre in quality. But at least it's recognizable as the DC universe again, unlike Marvel.

>>93642137

>"We'll patch it after release"

>>93640887
>If I know Hollywood you'll get another chance. They'll keep rebooting the same idea over and over again until they get it right!
Talking from experience, Spidey?

>W-well at least p-people like our movies...

The fucking state of Marvel

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>>93642483
True, but I gotta destress from studying.

>>93642486
Would you respond seriously to shitposting?

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>>93642416

>movie was a horrendous pile of dogshit BUT BRO THEY HAD GOOD HAIR AND MAKEUP! MARVEL BTFO!

>>93642478

Well, I still kinda think Superman was trying to say "Save Martha Kent" but Batman interrupted him before he could finish but... yeah, at least you understood what it was going for.

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>>93642551
>Movie was a piece of dogshit copypasted a million times before BUT HEY BUZZFEED AND FRIENDS GAVE IT GOOD REVIEWS LOL

>>93642525
The fact that you admit you shitpost while being a namefag is fucking sad

>>93641555
*cringe*

>>93642587
Shitposting is for movie threads only, sadly. Serious discussion is for comic book threads.

Hi guys! Is this the thread where Mouseketeers pretend that everything is just like it was over 1-year ago? Nice.

>>93642623

also known as DChads salty tears thread

>>93642384
>Only one good movie
DC still has one of the best trillogy of all time (not even in capeshit category only), and awesome Reeves and Burton movies. Not to menton non-capeshit movies like Road to redemption.

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>>93642674

>bringing up old shit from the 80's and 90's

>>93640887
They can't attack the comics because Rebirth is destroying them

They can't attack the tv shows because those CW shows are much more popular than the ones they shit out

They can't attack the videogames because the Arkham games and Injustice are fucking burying them

And now Wonder Woman has made it clear what everybody with access to internet already knew, the DCEU is succesful as fuck and outpacing the MCU when it started. But the MCU has 12 movies more so they can still pretend they are winning there somehow and they'll take what they can get. The moment the MCU stops being popular, that is, when RDJ decides to leave, Marvel is all but dead.

>>93642721
But everyone on the Internet that says that likes WW usually says that the previous movies were shit too, and WW is good for being the opposite of them.

>>93642715
>one of the best trillogy of all time (not even in capeshit category only)
You can't read parts which hurts you, anon?

Has DC done the same yet?

>>93640887
It was the best movie of all time so they're STILL shilling against it.

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>>93642785
>It was the best movie of all time

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>>93642777
Too busy making actually good comics.

>>93640964

Yea, the problem with that business strategy is that unlike WWE, which has competitors but is large enough to ignore them, Marvel doesn't actually have a virtual monopoly on the comics market so they can't get away with half the shit Vince pulls.

>>93642794
You can't name a better one.

>>93642672
>DChads winning in life for over a year now.
>L-look how you're crying!
Maybe if you hit the gym you could rebirth yourself too, bro.

>>93640887
They're salty about their failing company.

>>93642525
>Would you respond seriously to shitposting?

In this place what difference does it make?

>>93642553
Everyone understood it.
What you don't understand that regardless of how it is handled, it's the sort of far fetched bullshit that undercuts the entire narrative.

A single word defusing two hours of build-up to get two people to fight each other is, to put it plainly, melodramatic and amateurish. It makes a fake conflict feel even more fake, because it falls apart so easily.
Especially given how unreasonable, incompetent and stand-offish both characters had to be written to get them to fight in the first place.

>>93642829
Fant4stic.

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>>93642755
Whatever helps you sleep bud, I'm sure seeing that devastating damage BvS did to this franchise you guys kept rambling about

>>93642872
I thought it did the opposite. Batfleck had been dismissing any good that superman had been doing and trying to bring him down. When he finally does so and is about to kill him, what does superman do?

He asks Batman to save his mother. Batman was so busy administering his brand of Justice that he had forgotten how what it was to be a hero and a symbol of hope. Superman brings that back to him.

I still think that martha shit was what made it such a meme.

>>93642816
This image wouldn't fit for either companies.

>>93642895
Not even close kiddo. You'll never find a better movie than BvS so just give up now. Plus thinking Fant4stic is a good movie says a lot about your taste.

wait didn't cap civil big fight come down to bucky killing tony's parents with emphasis on his mom?

>>93642244
In American Housewife Episode #15, at 05:43, the main characters stand in front of posters for Zootopia, Alice 2, Finding Dory, and Jungle Book while talking about how bad BvS is. This show is on ABC, which is owned by Disney.

If you think there is not a corporate mandate to attack DC properties you are flat-out stupid.

>>93640887
I don't understand why some anons on /co/ and /tv/ praise BvS as much as they do, it's painfully mediocre.

>>93642486
ZERO OSCARS

>>93640887
i get shitposting about it here on 4chan but come on it's been a year already

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>>93643214
Proof

>>93643378
pretty cuntish of the maus

>they can't let it go
Marvel is such a sinking ship it's not even funny anymore

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>>93640887
OP here

In case people aren't bothered going to the article

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>>93643444

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>>93643462
And where it all began.

>>93643263
contrarianism, brand loyalty, and actual shit taste

>>93642872
Clearly you didn't understand it. It's not just any single word, there's a larger context in the works that you can't reduce to an isolated word. Everything about Batman's arc, where he is spiraling to the darkness has been building up to this moment. Out of the blue, he hears the name of his dead mother, of whose murder he dreams about every night to this day. And as such it triggers his childhood PTSD. And it doesn't just magically make him like Superman, it simply throws him off his game. He can't understand why Superman would mention his mother's name. And so he stops, and starts demanding for Clark to explain himself. His urge to murder has shifted to rage and confusion since he can't no longer understand the situation. It's only Lois' intervention that diffuses the situation when she explains Clark was begging him to save his mother even as he was about to die and that is what breaks the camels back, by making Bruce finally see Superman as a person for the first time. A man very similar to himself, rather than a strange otherworldly alien being he couldn't understand but could easily hate and conveniently project all his fears into. And that is why he can't kill him. Because all his blinding hatred, self-deception and lies have been stripped away, and he has to face the ugly truth: he was going to murder a man simply out of pure fear. He was going to be the very thing he has spent his whole life fighting against.

It's a complex, deeply character oriented scene that addresses everything Batman represents and how astray he had become from those values. People like you trying to reduce it to a inane meme shows fundamental inability to understand the scene for what it really is about.

>>93642478
I really wouldn't be surprised if they thought up the Martha thing first and then wrote the fight and some of the plot circumstances around that.

>>93643558
>Murders random criminals remorselessly

>>93642235

Oh well, if everyone you see says that then clearly it's true!

>>93640887
Marvel has always been 'how are you doing fellow kids?' I remember seeing 3 (or 4) references to the Hamilton musical at the height of it's popularity in different books by different authors.

>>93641858
Your creepy stalking might have rattled DC employees, Jim, but it won't work on me.

>>93640964
>Quesada and Jemas mistook comics for professional wrestling
Then how come all the jacked writers are at DC

>>93643632
He didnt murder anyone more than heros not giving a shit what happens to henchmen in anyother capemovie.

>>93642721
>They can't attack the comics because Rebirth is destroying them

Tell that to Bendis.

>>93643069
It does. Marvel always takes 'friendly' shoots at DC. Like Bendis recurring gag of someone being arrested while describing a DC event, all their pseudo Supermen. And the Deadpool references OP is about
>>93643444
>>93643462
>>93643488
I haven't read all DC books but since the new 52 I can't name a Marvel reference they have done.

>>93643834
Because DC isnt a bunch of insecure manbabies

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>>93643854
What pisses me off more than anything is that it goes to show no one in Marvel reads the other ongoings of the very same company they work on to realise that someone made the same joke already.

>>93641483
No they havent, you are delusional.

>>93641806
>>93641689
how is that an insult? Are you guys so retarded that you think a reference is an insult now? I swear to god, /co/ gets worse by the second.

>>93642137
Its fantastic

>>93643854
>tfw marvel is so fucking terrible that the DCEU is growing on me because of these things
They're going achieve what Snyder couldn't

>>93642504
Are you fucking retarded? This is the opposite. This was the intended version of the movie from the get go. If anything its like releasing a restored version with missing content.

>>93643632
right, and it was portrayed as a BAD thing, a non-Batman thing to do. Alfred almost leaves him over it. The movie makes it clear he is not being a good Batman when he does this, and that being Batman means going back to your non-killing ways.


Do you get paid to be this dumb?

>>93643558
Good post senpai

>>93642137
It would've been a 9/10 if Lex Luthor was played by anyone else and the Doomsday fight was shortened. Eisenberg is just so strange. Even more, most of his lines seem like they were actually written for some sinister, imposing force instead of the eccentric sperglord he was.

>>93643632
Part of his fall fall to villainy arc, due to feeling impotent in fighting crime his methods were becoming rampant and brutal in order to make him feel like he was properly punishing the wicked who were like weeds.

>>93644087
Whats the problem with Lex other then his looks.
Because he was very Lex Luthor too me.

>>93644147
His high pitched voice punctuated with random noises like
>ooo
>mmm
>aha!
Compare that to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI0vtqxoG1k
I don't mind how Luthor is written in the story, and I think the problem of evil motivation is a pretty cool idea. It's just the performance that kills me

>>93643834
But they both clearly think of each other so it doesn't fit.

>>93643975
I posted >>93641806 Didn't say it was an insult. I thought it was fucking great. Being able to laugh at yourself is a sign of confidence.

>>93643444
>>93643488
post the now hilariously ironic ones were they make fun of Rebirth

>>93643558
Why does he even believe either of them though?
Clark revealed he knew who was under the mask so why would he not assume this filthy alien scum wasn't just fucking with him in his rage and then just kill him?

>>93643180
>Not noticing an ironic shitpost

Well you like BvS, so that already tells me enough of your intelligence level.

>>93644186
Autismo luthor actually grew on me.
He is clearly unhinged and actually believes the koolaid that he sprouts. He seems like evil mark zuckerberg, which is good because he would otherwise be compared directly to kevin spacey and gene hackman.

>>93644244
Because batman is a deeply disturbed individual who has already pegged down superman as how lex luthor sees him in the movie. A malevolent god that is seeking to rule over humanity.

The last thing Clark presumably says to batman is basically, Pls save my mum. It humanizes superman and lets batman see superman as he really is, not as the image he built up in his mind.

>>93644315
But why believe that? If I'm so bloodthirsty that I want to murder this alium that hasn't intentionally done anything wrong then if he says my dead mother's name has one of his last words I'm gonna assume he's fucking with me and kill him even faster than I was going to before. Batman's pause made no sense, he knew Clark knew he was, if the name did anything it should have sent him into an even more blind rage.

>>93643834
>Like Bendis recurring gag of someone being arrested while describing a DC event
Wasn't that someone being arrested in Ultimate while describing a 616 event?

>>93644358
Because that is not the thing you expect from a person who you are about to kill? Batman had been running around gotham cappin' fools and branding them.

Also it is lois who tells batman who Superman means by martha. He is basically telling batman, who is about to kill superman, to save his mom. Bruce became batman because he was unable to save his parents. In a way the fight is a rebirth of the batman who doesn't kill.

>>93644401
>Because that is not the thing you expect from a person who you are about to kill?
But if I know he already knows who I am then I'm gonna assume any mention of people I know is just a diversion because I'm fucking blinded with rage at the moment.
>Also it is lois who tells batman who Superman means by martha
But why does he believe her? Why does what could easily be a lie calm him down so quickly?

>>93643826
>He didnt murder anyone more than heros not giving a shit what happens to henchmen in anyother capemovie.

Whats another hero who is known for being explicitly anti-gun and anti-killing who has dispatched criminals similarly to how Batman was?

>>93644592
>But why does he believe her?

So the plot can move forward.

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>>93644399

Yeah, but he also did mention Rebirth twice, one for Flash: Rebirth and the other recently.

>>93644279
>I gave a one word answer IRONICALLY!!!

why is /co/ the dumbest board?

>>93644592
>I am blinded with rage.
He wasn't. In his mind he was fighting for a earth that would be unthreatened by superman. Right when he is about to kill Supes, the (presumably) last words that superman tries to tell are to save Martha, which is coincidentally both their mom's names. If he killed superman, he would never figure out what he means by "save Martha."

After lois tells him, he puts two and two together and finally understands what superman means. Batman might not be able to save his mom, but he can save superman's mom.

There is no evidence that batman is completely blinded by rage. He is clearly capable of reasoning and using his brains in combat - as well as he should be since he is going up against a god.

>>93644598
None as much a batman but this doesnt seem to be a problem for Nolan bats or the 80s/90s bats.
Most live action bats used guns on cars and have done things that in a real life scenario would result in serious injuries/death. But this bats who had been protrayed as off his rocker and thus in the wrong is a bad portrayal.

HellCap threw aguy into airplane blades. But hes own guy?

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>me when someone says BvS is a bad movie

>>93644720
>this doesnt seem to be a problem for Nolan bats

Not exactly true, one of the prevalent critiques of Nolan bats was still his use of violence and his vague ass "no killing but I'm going to shoot at you and plod around in my gun tank"

>or the 80s/90s bats
True, but those also tended to be a lot more cartoony in general.

>HellCap threw aguy into airplane blades. But hes own guy?
Cap isn't anti-killing though. Sure he'd like to avoid it, but he's still an actual soldier and will shoot you in the face.

>>93640887
Taking ideas from others and posing as one's own has been the only "talent" that Marvel has had for decades.

>>93640887
Because they're desparate memers like their fanboys?

>>93644003
Don't be like that, anon. Don't like bad things because others hate them. No one wins in that game.

>>93642205
MVC Infinite is losing to DBZ Fighter Z of all things. Marvel shit the bed by removing the X-Men and replacing them with characters from the MCU, including literal whos like Black Panther and Carol.

>>93640887

Another nail in the coffin of the Marvel comics crowd credibility, at least Feige can move on and show appreciation for what WW success can mean for their own female solo movies.

>>93640887
Never. It deserves to be made fun of for all time.

In 20 years it'll be up their with Arnies cold puns, except worse since this was meant to be SUPER SERIOUS.

>>93642356
No, I mean the game that was a critical and commercial success, hence BTFO'ing Marvel in video games.

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>>93642525
Here, it's fixed

>>93640887

Even though it's Deadpool it felt forced. For Deadpool. At least the one where he watched the parody movie made some sense.

If you care about the movies, you might get a giggle. But if you look at the current states for both comic companies, it's actually kind of sad. But Marvel doesn't have any editors that would normally shoot that down. Why bring that kind of attention when you're the one that's lagging behind?

>>93641689

This was great. Using a joke on yourself is a great way to ruin the fun in others using it against you. And this was DC comics covering for WB.

>>93643799
because Marvel is just an oversized Indie Promoter now. They've got all the fatties and gimps who can't sell body chops and gas out in the first minute of a match.

>>93641417
Attacking a low hanging fruit isn't a desperate attempt to stay relevant?

BvS is kino.

>>93643726
It is. Trumpbots have no coherent ideology except for pissing off liberals.

>>93642356
>You mean that game where everyone is completely out of character to suck Batman's cock. Yeah, what a triumph.
Is that the one who's first game sold double what MvC3 did and who's sequel is currently critically acclaimed and experiencing great sales instead of having every game outlet openly shit on it and having players pine for a DBZ fighter instead like with what's happening with MvCI? That might be the one he's talking about, yeah.

>>93649704
Sounds like a pretty worthwhile life mission desu

Isn't this a tradition for Deadpool? I seem to remember there being a retailer incentive back around the time of Blackest Night, something about trading unsold DC variant for Marvel ones. And the whole Deadpool Corps thing was partly born out of shitting on that event, wasn't it?

Batman vs Superman has ruined the name Martha in the same way Adolf and Benito have become unusable.

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>two throwaway gags in separate panels that should merit a chuckle at best and then be immediately forgotten
>DCEU fanboys who cannot accept their movie was shit make an article, share it and rage on threads because of their pathetic outrage
This is sad, but kind of funny.

>>93640887
Because just like Wonder Woman is the only thing DC has going for them, BvS is the only thing Marvel can latch onto since it was hated by the majority
(Man of Steel reactions were kind of split)

>>93652083

Suicide Squad was pretty hated

>>93643632
Assuming you're somewhat versed in Batman's history, you might recall what happened after Jason Todd was murdered by Joker. In the time that followed, Bruce became a brooding wraith who brutally punished any criminal that caught his attention regardless of the severity of their crime. That all changed when Tim Drake came along to take up the mantle, against Bruce's wishes initially, to show him that there was a better way and to become the hero so many relied upon once more. In this reality, Bruce never had Tim come along to bring him back from the edge after his loss. The years went by, chipping away at his humanity and leaving only the hollowness of hatred to fill the void, as he hurt those closest to him. Alfred barely recognizes Bruce as the boy he raised and the great man he'd once been, having spent years enabling his violent quest for revenge because he knew no better way than to descend into this madness alongside him. It isn't until Clark sacrifices himself that Bruce comes to realize just how far he'd fallen and decides to climb back up from the depths of despair and into the light.

>>93645837
>literal whos
>Black Panther
I'm gonna stop you right there anon.
Also, before the shitty change to Captain Marvel, Carol was the 2nd highest requested Marvel character for UMvC3 behind Venom, she was going to be in it anyway before the shitty push happened.

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>>93650938
>Isn't this a tradition for Deadpool?

You mean Marvel commissioning Deadpool helmed potshots aimed at DC? Yes, it's been a thing for years. And it's never stopped being immature.

>>93643854
So much tight space in a pannel, really? Doesnt even match the visual flow.

>>93644702
Not that guy, but he's not wrong. BvS is far from perfect & it took the extended cut to slightly fix it but raise more questions on why one important scene was cut from the theatrical release & not a pointless scene. It took several different comic ideas, that could've been used for future films, & cram them in for some to geek out. They should've used the death of Superman later & not this early in the game. They definitely shouldn't have used Doomsday this soon. Scrap the pointless cameos. Fix the fuck out of Luthor. Etc. Etc.

Hell, nobody even knew who Jimmy Olsen was until they watched it again.

BvS is no masterpiece.

>>93642137
I enjoyed it.

>>93641555
>this shit again
I really do not get why the whole "Martha" scene was such a big fucking deal. Superman begs Batman to save his mother because he'd rather let Batman kill him instead of risk his mother dying, and just so happens to say her name. If Superman didn't say his mother's name, the results would be the same, because Batman is still a fucking hero and would realize that he was fighting the wrong guy. Their mothers having the same name just adds weight to the scene. Even my son knew this was basically the "team-up moment".

>>93651992
What's really sad is that you have Greg Land's Freddie Prinze Jr but with Downs Syndrome version of Stark saved as a reaction image.

>>93643488
That's not even funny, it's just the author shoving his opinion about the movie into the character's mouths

>>93654539
>That's not even funny
Things that can be said about anything Deadpool related in the last 15 years for $500

>>93643488
>not of that made sense
What doesn't make sense is why people think Batman spared Superman because their mothe's shared the same name. Instead of Batman realizing that Superman is more than an invincible alien and is just trying to save a loved one.

holy shit how asshurt are you retards

>>93654672
>>93654672
>holy shit how asshurt are you retards
Very. Because instead of having funny Deadpool, we get not-funny half-assed Deadpool. Even two-voices Deadpool had less cringe.

>>93654632

>What doesn't make sense is why people think Batman spared Superman because their mothe's shared the same name. Instead of Batman realizing that Superman is more than an invincible alien and is just trying to save a loved one.

I love how the defenders keep repeating this as if you somehow write it down 600 times in a row people will automatically think it's good and you'll be vindicated.

It doesn't matter what the intent was, the scene as shown on the screen was childish melodrama passing itself off as some kind of grand emotional statement.

>>93654984
>the scene as shown on the screen was childish melodrama passing itself off as some kind of grand emotional statement.

Objectively wrong.

>>93655018

>objective opinions

>>93654984
But it does make sense. Presented poorly? Okay. Horrible writing that damned the whole film? Not even close.

>>93641689
kek someone promote the kid who runs the twitter.

>>93655050

>Presented poorly? Okay. Horrible writing that damned the whole film? Not even close.

The presentation is part of the writing, though. 90 minutes of self-important mythologising about gods and men and religion all flips on a switch because of some ill-defined emotional connection and Amy Adams almost literally swooping in at the last second to explain everything.

>>93640887
The "Martha" thing is no more dumb than the "Rollo Tomasi" thing in L.A Confidential. It's just a plot shortcut, and it's by no means the worst thing about BVS. I wonder how it got so big.

>>93655131
>some ill-defined emotional connection

Opinion disregarded.

>>93655168
I think that actually baffles me is that the Martha jokes really aren't funny at all and I'm surprised that they got as big as they did.

'LMAO THEY STOPPED FIGHTING BECAUSE HE SAID MARTHA. XD'

I really don't get the joke. Yeah the scene could've been done better but people really blew that scene out of proportion.

>>93655168

>The "Martha" thing is no more dumb than the "Rollo Tomasi" thing in L.A Confidential

What?

The Rollo Tomasi line works because it's both a character elaboration for Exley and a surprise bit of plot detail that you don't expect to come back, it's not some catch-all salve for the two characters who are fighting.

BvS is like if Bud and Exely were beating the shit out of each other but they stopped because one of them said "Rollo Tomasi" to the other and they suddenly became best friends.

>>93655196

>implying "Batman is a damaged mommy's boy" is some amazing artistic insight that Snyder came up with and we should all be wowed by

>>93655227
>>93655168
>people
It was the maus shills

>>93655235

Calling his parents dying and what impact that has on him as ill-defined is preposterous.

>>93654632
>Instead of Batman realizing that Superman is more than an invincible alien and is just trying to save a loved one.

Nah that's bullshit, they could have had Superman say something like "they have my mom" but they intentionally slanted the dialog so that he'd say the name Martha out loud and made it clear that the name itself is what shocked Batman into hesitating.

Plus Batman already had a line earlier in the movie about "I bet your parents told you you were special" so it's not like the idea of Supes having loved ones never occurred to him.

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>Marlvle

>>93655295
Again someone failing to understand the scene.

>>93655295
He stops because Superman says martha. For all batman knows superman might have mind reading powers. Lois explains what he means and batman realises he fucked up badly.

>supes having loved ones.
He doesn't have that idea. He already has built up superman as this monstrous alien creature that needs to be killed for the betterment of mankind.

>>93655381

he literally refers to Superman's parents earlier in the movie.

>>93655363

nice meme

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>>93640887
Contractual obligation. Says right there in the employment agreement that Marvel employees have to fuck with DC.

>>93655295
>Clark: Save... Martha...
>Bruce: Why did you save that name?! (How/why is he talking about my mother?)
>Lois: Martha is his mother.
>Bruce's head: I'm about to kill him and he's... he's asking me to save his mother? A human mother? But that doesn't fit at all with the narrative I have constructed of him. He's meant to be a evil alien, not a man like me. That means... that means all those benevolent acts are just like my years long crusade as Batman. Jesus, I almost killed a man who could be me just because I was angry and afraid of him. What is wrong with me?

That's what diffuses the situation. Martha and Lois combined shatter the entire "Superman is an alien being who will one day destroy the world because I am afraid of him" narrative Batman has constructed in his head and thus he has no reason to kill him.

>>93643488
I'd totally watch a nighthawk vs hyperion movie.

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>>93640887
Marvel and DC has always had a friendly competition going, little jokes at each others characters and sneaky references across companies.

Only they didn't take into account the semi-autistic, perma-angry fanboys who takes "company wars" very, very seriously.

So the playful verbal jousting of yesteryear has become full blown sperg screetching.

Pic unrelated.

>>93655413
>he literally refers
as an abstract concept. Batman doesn't care what Superman's mom and dad told him, or even if he had a mom or dad because Bruce's parents died in the gutter for no purpose at all.

Superman's Dad tells him that Superman's going to change the world, for better or worse, depending on the person he is.

>>93655477

>I bet your parents taught you that you mean something. That you're here for a reason.

Batman already assumed he had parents. The realization can't just be "oh shit he cares about his parents." It doesn't make any sense that way.

>>93655497
>as an abstract concept.

Look at the fucking gymnastics you have to do to justify this. Parents as an abstract concept? Jesus Christ. Why am I still replying?

>>93642416
and they also have 3 razzies
but those dont count because they dont fit your argument?

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>>93643444
Hahahahaha

>>93655513
>Batman already assumed he had parents

In a completely abstract "filthy alien scum just like their world threatening God like son" way. It doesn't mean anything because he has no context to them. It's like pointing at a random picture and saying this was your great great grandfather, means nothing to you since there are no emotional ties involved. The realization that Superman has a human mother on Earth changes things because Batman unconsciously automatically associates Superman's mother Martha with his own flesh and blood, dead mother Martha Wayne. And that forces him see Superman in a completely new light.

>>93655527
>parents
what clark's parents said to him were presented as an abstract concept from batman's point of view, because bruce's mom and dad had died in the gutter as he put it.

>>93655513
>assumed
literally everyone batman has fought and killed has had parents. That has never stopped batman from killing them or branding them. Batman is a fucked up vigilante with a lot of resources in BvS and it is superman's sacrifice that brings him back into the light.

>>93655562
>one is the industry standard given by industry insiders who have worked in the movie industry for years.
>the other is a mockery of the previous award.

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>>93655644

>one has voters who have admitted they don't even necessarily watch the movies that get nominated

>>93655562

Showgirls won like seven razzies and it's an amazingly good and misunderstood movie.

>>93655644
and yet the award only touched the shittiest of movies in history

>>93655295
That's some nice headcanon

>>93655644
>he thinks the oscar carries any merrit these days

>>93655601

>literally everyone batman has fought and killed has had parents. That has never stopped batman from killing them or branding them.

This is another thing that completely ruins it. Unless you really think that not a single one of Batman's villains would be willing to rescue his own mom.

>what clark's parents said to him were presented as an abstract concept

Yeah but the fact that he had parents wasn't

But here's the real question. If it's really just about Superman having a mom, why did they force him into the completely implausible position of referring to his own mother by her first name? Why did the writing force him to say Martha instead of "mom" or "my mom" if that wasn't the point?

>>93655718
Seriously, who the fuck calls their mom by their first name?
There's a reason people made fun of this scene, and it's not because they didn't understand character motivations.

>>93655644
Glad we agree movies like The Grinch and Brave are award-worthy masterpieces, the academy said so!

>>93655718
>>93655601
>B-but other criminals had parents too

NOT. THE. FUCKING. POINT.

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>>93655590
It's like the other Spidey & Deadpool comic where they make fun of how Marvel is ignoring the Xmen because movie rights, but insecure fanboys only focused on the joke against BvS to paint it as some sort of company sabotaging

If you pointed out the other jokes they would just go "b-but the BvS one was more mean"

>>93655260
It trascends capes

>>93655814
Kinda is if it's the breaking point of his murderous rage

>>93655785
dont forget WaterWorld

>>93655562
>>93655670
>>93655644

Never forget that you have to pay to nominate movies for Razzies and vote for them. You LITERALLY buy them.

All BvS winning Razzies means is somebody shelled out money to give them to it.

>>93655862

the people voting on the Razzies will probably at least watch it though

>>93655862
Sure man, Marvel paid a bunch of people to subscribe at the razzies and shit on BvS, sure. Was Catwonan paid for too?

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>>93655862
>>93655902

>Warner Brothers couldn't even scrounge enough cash to get an MCU movie a razzie

>>93655851

It's not because you're willfully ignoring the larger context when it comes to Batman's reasoning to kill Superman. Batman is ignoring all the acts of heroism Superman has done in two years specifically because he thinks of Superman as a thing, not as a human being. And as an alien thing Superman is something he is able to project all his paranoia, hate, fear and cynicism into since Superman isn't a person anymore, just an abstract threat that needs to be removed.

The Martha scene forces Batman to look Superman in a completely new perspective and it removes any reason for him to kill Superman. The mooks that die in BvS are largely via proxy as self-defense and he knows they're all dangerous criminals since they work for Luthor and are kidnapping old women and working under KGBeast. He doesn't plan to cold bloodedly murder anyone but Superman. His methods are still brutal and excessive, but that's part of his erratic behavior and character arc where he's losing control and descending into villainy, not branding Luthor is a sign of him returning to his normal self.

>>93655942

the problem is, Batman already assumed Superman had parents but you're still trying to say that finding out he had parents was the humanizing element.

Regardless of how you try to spin it, the scene is laughable in its execution.

>>93656002
>the problem is, Batman already assumed Superman had parents

And I assume that you're being an obtuse asshole and you're mother's a cunt for raising you so badly, but that's just me being a dick and projecting shit based on nothing but your shitposting.

>>93656002
Not only that he had parents, that he had parents that fooled him into thinking he was destined to do great things and blablabla

What's more human than that? He called Superman a fool while pointing out he was more rational because "hurr different lesson", those lines don't paint Supes as a cold-hearted monster with no human feelings of his own, if you ACTUALLY analyze the dialogue like the fanboys claim you should the movie's logic breaks down even further, and only that at the end of the day yes, the writers thought mommy's name was a good enough reason to get them to stop killing each other

>oscars don't count
>razzies and other joke awards do
The state of marvel fanboys, ladies and gentlemen

>>93656043

I assume you're a butthurt fanboy making excuses for what is rightly derided as a dumb scene

>point out hole in the logic
>QUIT BEING SO OBTUSE

>>93655590
..I mean am I supposed to say 'lmao fuck' because this isn't funny either?

>>93655848
It's one thing to poke fun at it but to do it multiple times? Come the fuck on.

>>93656187
>Movie wins make-up award
>That must mean it was also well acted, written and edited! Perfect movie, [other company] BTFO!

>>93641740

Yes, your delusion is sad, tripcancer.

>>93656221
Different writers

I don't know, that scene was sufficient enough to get the point across.

It was neither ill-delivered nor a GOAT line, but it was good enough for me to understand the juxtaposition of the two characters..

>>93640887
Marvel Comics staff has a weird obsession with DC and the DCEU, their failures and success, and just about everything they do.

Meanwhile DC Comics doesn't really care much about what Marvel is doing, I guess they don't want Marvel comics to sink the comic industry boat.

>>93642235
>personal anecdote

>>93644705
>He wasn't
He was going to kill someone who did LITERALLY nothing intentionally harmful, he was blinded with rage.

>>93648603
Not when literally everyone else does it.

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martha thread?

>can't win oscars
>be a bitch about it
Classic marlel

>>93642553
>>93643558
>>93642872
I reckon they could have pulled it off. Don't have to say martha, just have Superman scream at him that he has to save his mother. Then have a mirror the flashback to Bruce sitting by his parents begging them to wake up, have it hit him like a blow. Maybe even drop a line like "what have I done" or some shit.

IDK, I'm not a scriptwriter. And while that scene was jarring, its not the only problem with that Movie.

>>93640887
>He can't handle the bants

>>93657265
> make a movie that wins an oscar but still manages to flop
> brag about it
The Makeup artist won the award anon.

>>93654457
>the results would be the same,
If I recall correctly, batman was intent on murdering superman right up until the point supes screamed MARTA and didn't give a shit about his mother before he screamed her name.

>>93657338
>a flop
Nice meme, marvelcuck.

>>93654632
>bats is murdering supes
>MARTY, WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!
>Bats stops murdering supes

>>>What doesn't make sense is why people think Batman spared Superman because their mothe's shared the same name.
REALLY ACTIVATING MY ALMONDS ANON.

>>93657342
Yup. "why did you say that name." Its the name.
I get what they were trying to do with that scene, but its done so badly. Its not even helped by the context of the the movie, because Batman was already shown to be a total fucking psychopath.
I don't get why people defend Snyder. He's fucked DC over so hard its unreal.

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>>93640887
>Why do Marvel keep doing this?

>Why does Deadpool, a comedy character, make jokes?

>People pretending Martha scene is the only flaw

>Ignoring every other shit scene, i.e. whole movie.
Whole thing is shit.

>>93654457
>and just so happens to say her name

just happens to refer to his mother by her first name? Because that's something people do all the time?

>>93657462

just like TDKR and the plane crash scene.The whole movie was shit but that one scene was more memeworthy

>>93657387

Yeah, Batman on the edge really wouldn't be shaken when somebody says the name of his mother and make him lose his focus and composure. No sir. Even though he's literally getting triggered in that very moment.

>>93655477
>But that doesn't fit at all with the narrative I have constructed of him. He's meant to be a evil alien, not a man like me.
that was not present in the movie.
supes is a nuke waiting to go off which was bats' whole issue.

>>93657584
>supes is a nuke waiting to go off which was bats' whole issue.

And it's irrational because he's ignoring all of Superman's heroics in favor of his "B-b-but what about muh what if 1% scenario!" bullshit. Batman is set up from the very beginning to be unhinged and wrong, letting his fear dictate his actions. He's only seeing what he wants to see, a boogieman, and he's throwing unrelated, illogical rhetoric to justify his actions any time he's challenged by Alfred. That is what Alfred's "that's how it begins, the fever" speech is all about when Bruce returns from torturing the human trafficker. Alfred's criticizing how Bruce seems to be turning bad with his increasingly brutal methods, not knowing that Master Bruce's madness is already going way deeper.

>>93657338
>flop
Hulk and First Avenger are Marvel movies though

>>93657744
>"B-b-but what about muh what if 1% scenario!"
1% is global destruction.
if you're not worried about supes destroying earth you shouldn't vote to stop global warming.

>>93657756
>if you're not worried about supes destroying earth you shouldn't vote to stop global warming.

If I worried about every 1% chance that could mean the End, I would kill myself since I couldn't function in life. That way of thinking is insane and illogical, that is why it's ridiculous and 100% tinfoil hat tier thinking. Might as well worry that any minute North Korea could start world war 3, an exotic flu would create a world wide pandemic, a terrorist groups start using home made dirty bombs in major cities, the water has been contaminated by lead and the government has kept it under wraps for several years, the car I drive happens to be faulty manufactured but the manufacturer has no recalled them yet, a my cellphone might blow up in my face,I might have a brain tumor and not know it, an asteroid NASA failed to notice is going to collide on Earth and hits my house. Etc. ad infinitum.

>>93657840
>killing yourself to avoid dying.
you're obviously retarded.

>>93657840
Have any of those things leveled an entire city killing tens of thousands in front of you lately?