What the Fuck Happened With Western Cartoons?

Nothing happened to them. 10% of them are good, 90% of them are shit, same as anime, comics, movies, books, music, whatever.

You remember the best cartoon moments from your childhood, because they were good, and you discard from memory the rest, but no, cartoons weren't any better back then.

>>93631308
They don't allow white people into animation anymore.
Everything devolved into garbage when talentless AA hires headed their worthless projects

>>93631553
Is there any industry evidence for this? I mean, it sounds plausible, given how actual degenerate tumblr artists have made it into CN shows, but is there more substantive proof of this?

>>93631308
It's not like that Batman TAS was the norm. Even for its time TAS was pretty amazing and unique. After Batman, Superman TAS, Justice League, were by the same authors, so it is normal that they maintain the same quality.

Besides Batman, it was not that the level was high everywhere.

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>>93631837
It's obvious to anyone with eyes

>>93631308
Western cartoons aren't as profitable as it was 20 years ago. It's hard to incentive western cartoons nowadays because everything else is overshadowed by new media.
As time passes, we find new ways to get entertainment and old media starts to lose its attention. We're in a weird transition where old media is trying to expand with new media. You see this with channels like CN by having playable apps that can interactive with shows like magi magic sword or funding games to expand an IP like OK GO.
It's really a matter of time where companies find a way to make good shows with better service. Netflix seems to be heading in the right direction by via direct streaming and producing great cartoons on it.

>>93631308
You got older.

Also, a lot of the cartoons you used to watch as a kid sucked too.

>>93631308
Let's see what came out in the early 90's as well, shall we?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iv82iJ_MT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHylnwA-jV8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIqjFAM5W9o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luvP9AKlXfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcbbd42lHnE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXiShTDcr1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr767KfRK3o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBi73rBrKEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_PrRd-Y56c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyoUecpe_wU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMoodiD0UEI

Do you realize just how much shit there was back then?

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>>93633066
>shitting on Attack of the Killer Tomatoes

>>93632671
She's sexy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQRHStbwWus

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>>93633097
If you like little boys, I guess

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>>93631553
you ever get the impression /pol/sters are looking for reasons to feel victimized where there aren't any?

>>93633157
Minorities are doing it, so it's cool now.

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>>93633090
I have been waiting forever to use this.

>>93633138
I like adult women who are creative and respected in their field but still a little punk

>>93633177
I mean she looks like a prepubescent boy.

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>>93631837
>>93631553
There is some proof of this in the outsourcing of animation labor and how tight-knit the animation community has become. Its less about race and more about personality: Studios started giving showrunners more "artistic freedom" and so they only hire people that they know, know of, or went to school with. Hiring procedures should be the one place that corporate should have input, and having a showrunner also be the team manager is just giving too many hats and too much opportunity for nepotism to people who don't know how to manage a workforce efficiently.

>>93633215
You can't possibly think that for real, can you? You're just trying to make me feel bad, right? She has plenty of feminine features.

>>93633172
That is quite the gif

>>93633251
>Flat chest
>Short, boyish hair
>No hips
Yes anon, she looks like a 14 year old jewish boy.

>>93633066

I know you ain't shitting on my Killer Tomaotes cartoon

>>93633090
>>93633280
I'm shitting on it to make a point, but this doesn't mean that I hate it or anything. It fits with the theme of showing just how crazy and weird Cartoons were back then.

"I wanna be an artist and make cartoons, and I've really got a great idea"
"No way bro the degrees worthless and there's no money in it"
"Oh guess you're right"
Years later
"How did animation get invested with talentless hacks?"

>>93633237
Case in point, OK Go was created by Rebecca Surgar's husband, who also co-producer of Steven Universe. And RC got her start on Adventure Time, as did a lot of other people who eventually got their own shows. CN has gotten particularly incestuous and it's probably why so many of the shows are objectively ugly and have somewhat samey humor.

There was plenty of shit in old cartoons but at least they were nice to look at. Now this new digital stuff looks like someone melted a bunch of Legos together. Lots of anime is fucking garbage, but at least it's pretty.

Maybe things will get better once the Rick & Steven Gravity Morty Universe Falls graduating class just up and dies and leaves room for new talent.

>>93633445
it used to be that corporate would scout talent or talent would come recommended by other artists, then there would be a lengthy process of testing artists on different projects, shifting talent in and out of a group etc.

Now you have closed groups who shift talent from one project to another, then back again, then giving the most popular/prominent of those a show to run, who brings in people they've worked with or went to school with etc etc etc.

it's a closed system without enough oversight for stagnation from an impartial group I:E a manager.

>Regular Show, Uncle Grandpa
>on TV
Haha, good one.

Something something CalArts

>>93631308
> plot development

Episodic cartoons can be just as good as shows with overarching plots if they're done right.

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>>93634262
Yeah, just ask Adventure Time

>>93633365
It's true. Nobody wants to stick their necks out for art anymore and when they do they're mocked relentlessly. Everyone would rather live safe, unimportant, bland lives so our entertainment has become safe, unimportant and bland

>>93631409
somewhat true.
your right on people forgetting the shit of yesteryear and forgetting how shit some of the things they liked are however the best of the best we have now is definitely of lower quality.
compare the best of 1990-2003 to 2004-2017.

>>93633497
At least there are no more animation reusing. That was really ugly sometimes.

>>93631308
RS is great, fag bitch

>>93637520
>AT is good
>RS sucks
at least RS didn't suddenly change everything about it's characters and existence just to say "we're deep"

even the pops' brother shit wasn't as big a deal or taking over most of the series like AT's "WE'RE POST APOCALYPTIC AND SIMON AND MARCY AND THE WAR" shit

>>93631308
Capitalism will grind everything you enjoy into dust so that a rich man can become even richer.

>>93637553
The worst part about the war shit is Betty, she's the worst

>>93631308
>lack plot development
Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry, Popeye, Mickey Mouse, Scooby Doo...I could go on.

>interesting characters
See above.
99% of all characters in any form of media are flat, one-note garbage. But in most cases, it doesn't matter, because - GASP! A revelation! - they're not meant to be dynamic. They're either meant to be secondary...or they're fucking cartoon characters. You know. In a cartoon. You've heard of those, right?

>or even a good moral framework
Oh, so now you want every show to be like My Little Pony, where at least one character learns a valuable lesson about life in every episode? Is that it? Do you like My Little Pony that much, Anon?

>What happened to animation?
You grew up.
Rugrats is garbage. Mike, Lou, and Og is garbage. Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends is motion-tween garbage. Your favorite cartoons are just as terrible as the new ones. You just give them a pass because you were a child. Suck it up and move on, cartoons aren't meant for adults and they never will be, no matter how many terrible animated shows Fox and Adult Swim commission from people like Seth MacFarlane and Seth Green.

>>93638389
>Suck it up and move on, cartoons aren't meant for adults and they never will be

This anon is an ignorant, idiot sack of shit without even the slightest ability to comprehend let alone discuss this issue, but he accidentally has brought up the main problem with Western animation.

This idea that "animation = children" is so deeply ingrained in the US that it's virtually impossible to produce anything else. It's almost a mindless reflex, no matter what the animation actually is.

Other places like France or Japan can take animation more seriously, and as a result they can produce more serious animated works. Note that I wrote CAN, that doesn't mean everything coming from these places is serious, quality work, just that at least the potential exists for that elsewhere. In the US the idea of non-children's animation is almost totally alien.

It's how you get worthless attitudes like the shit anon's above.

It's similar to what happened to comics in the US. Due the crackdown in the 50s, comics become synonymous with children in the US and the American comics industry has been crippled ever since.

I have so far watched modern cartoon shows made for children like Princess Sofia, and I've been pleasantly surprised to see that it's mighty enjoyable enough for adults.
Also, knowing that Future Worm will get new seasons makes me happy too. That was quite a fun "the 80s are the coolest" kind of show.