Is marvel trying to kill x-men?

>>93624240
They already did

No, but Ike Perlmutter surely is

>>93624240

What are you new? This has been obvious for years now. It's just that fans still buy the shit. At least they don't buy Inhumans stuff.

>>93624240
Yes. Slowly, but surely. They even highlight the Jim Lee era characters. Almost in a way to "date" the characters.

>>93624240
"It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is"

This is how marvel will be remembered: by killing their premiere minority team, while at the same time promoting non-mutant minority characters

10 year from now, people will still talk about that time when marvel killed the franchise, which resulted in the dissolution of marvel comics altogether

>>93624359

The mutant metaphor for racism doesn't count because some of them are white and male.

>>93624255
Couple dozen times last I looked. They sell a tonne of comix killing off their characters in really insane story arcs.

>>93624391
That's not why they're killing them. Don't get me wrong, a bunch of faggots "writing" and "editing" at marvel want to promote a sjw agenda and lower the importance of male/straight/white characters.

But that's not the issue with the x-men. It's Ike and his hateboner for lack of movierights.

Yes, let's just ignore how we've had 6 x-men ongoings since Secret Wars ended. I mean, Muties actually have books, you want to talk about Marvel killing off a core group, let's talk about how they've kept Reed, Sue and the rest of the Family Fantastic out of the comics by keeping them outside the multiverse, rebuilding what the beyonders blew up

>>93624240
Not possible. Every time they tried it has backfired. They were going to try and trim them done during the Inhumans shit and the fan support backfired. The asshole in charge would like too because he has no love for comics and only money; cannot use them to make money off of everything, but he will be dead any day now and I am sure the next person will realize it is a losing battle as well.

>>93624901
Fucking this.

>>93624809

Why did Marvel sell the movie rights to X-Men in the first place? That sounds like a retarded deal.

>>93625432
bankrupcy

>>93624901

No, there's legitimate evidence Marvel is trying to get rid of X-Men. They aren't appearing at all in the new Marvel vs. Capcom game and the guy they interviewed about it literally said "your modern Marvel fan, maybe they don't even remember some of the X-Men characters" and brought up how them and Marvel discussed their future roadmap to make that decision.

>>93625432
They didn't have their own studio back in the late 90s.

>>93625494
So you're upset about Marvel killing off X-men in everything BUT comics?

>>93625572

That's pretty good evidence they're going to kill them off in comics too. They're probably already trying to sabotage the comics, I bet they haven't introduced new X-Men characters in a while.

>>93624359

It's odd how people still talk like X-Men was Marvel's top franchise all the way up until Ike's Inhumans push.

>Bill Jemas puts top talent onto the Ultimate books, pushes them over everything else.
>Morrison's X-Men and the other books of the time divide reader opinions, and drive away lots of longtime fans, his own fanbase make up the sales so it doesn't become too noticeable until they go as well.
>From the launch of New Avengers in 2004, Marvel starts pushing the Avengers books more than X-Men.
>House of M is a passing of the torch from X-Men to Avengers, most Marvel events afterwards are Avengers events.
>Hulk also gets a big push, from Planet Hulk, to the World War Hulk event, launching a family of Hulk books.
>Marvel gets Star Wars license back, puts top talent onto Star Wars books.

No, none of that happened, you were still #1 right up until the Terrigen Cloud was released.

Tell me more about how the Inhumans got a TV show instead of a movie because of angry X-Men fans, and not because of Marvel internal politics between Ike and Fiege.

Tell me more about how Marvel are publishing ten X-Men books and how that somehow isn't enough and we need to have more.

>>93625626
They haven't. The only new characters have been just the younger versions of the oldest characters.

>>93625710
The problem isnt the amount of books, but the "talent" they chose to put in them.

>>93624240

It's sad because they will never be able to fully kill them off. As long as Fox produces movies, people will turn to Marvel for the comics. They have a huge following but Marvel is going to minimize their impact on the grand scheme of things as much as possible. They'll be in an eternal limbo of "They're there, but they're not quite relevant. Not quite irrelevant either, though."

>>93625766

But that's a problem for 99% of Marvel books for the past 4 or 5 years, anon. Are any of the current X-Men books really as bad as Champions, Wasp, or Miss America?

>>93625710

You have to be purposefully ignorant to not see that Marvel has been minimizing X-Men presence in their books since the boom of the MCU.

>>93625432
Comics industry has always struggled for years. They sold it for cash and to keep afloat. If anything, it was a good idea at the time.

Hindsight's 20/20 that Disney would buy them.

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>>93625868

>Miss America

Excusa me gringo?

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>>93625710
>Bill Jemas puts top talent onto the Ultimate books, pushes them over everything else.

This one is debatable because the launching books were Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men.

And Ultimate X-Men was very popular at that time as well.

>Morrison's X-Men and the other books of the time divide reader opinions, and drive away lots of longtime fans, his own fanbase make up the sales so it doesn't become too noticeable until they go as well.

This one is also debatable because Quesada doesn't always bat 1000 with his choices. Look at the first Marvel Knights Punisher, before they got Ennis on it.

Also after Morrison left there was Whedon's Astonishing X-Men, which became the flagship X-Men book while he was there.

>From the launch of New Avengers in 2004, Marvel starts pushing the Avengers books more than X-Men.
>House of M is a passing of the torch from X-Men to Avengers, most Marvel events afterwards are Avengers events

Now you're getting somewhere. Also don't forget Ike is probably bitter at this time toward Fox over the Mutant X lawsuit and the results.

And Civil War, a story that logically should've involved the X-Men, generally sidelined them. The focus was mainly on Iron Man and Captain America.

There were people on this board that were even trying to downplay what Liefeld was saying about X-Men and merchandise years ago.

>>93625432
Because superhero films weren't that profitable back then other than Batman. Fox was the only one at the time that probably saw the potential for an X-Men film because the cartoon show did extremely well for them.

>>93625916

And you also have to be ignorant to not notice the slow decline of the franchise starting years before the MCU was a thing, as Marvel pushed other properties instead.

>>93625432
They went bankrupt in the 90's, that's why Fox, Sony, Universal, Newline, Columbia, and Artisan had and still have movie rights.

>>93625992
>>93625916
Marvel Studios got started around 2004. Before David Maisel came up with the idea to have the movies done in-house, Ike was still selling film rights to other studios because he knew it would get them money (and it was even something he suggested to the heads of Marvel during the early 90's). WB almost got Captain America.

So the slow decline really started when Marvel Studios was underway, at any rate.

>>93626125
http://www.cbr.com/marvel-almost-sold-captain-america-to-warner-bros-thor-to-sony/

>In an extensive interview with “Angry Birds” producer David Maisel, the exec discussed his time has a leading force at Marvel Studios from 2003-2009 — where he eventually served as president and COO of the company — revealing the early deals he made to get the Marvel properties on film. In his reflection, Maisel interestingly noted that Marvel was pretty close to selling “Captain America” to Warner Bros. and “Thor” to Sony.

>Speaking to The Hollywood Reporter, Maisel said, “If I had gotten there three months, six months later, [the Warner Bros. and Sony] deals would have been done. And there would be no chance to bring all these characters together.”

>Maisel reportedly blocked the “Captain America” and “Thor” deals, and went on to secure a loan from Merrill Lynch for the company to own its live-action movies — for $525 million, with the opportunity for Marvel to greenlight any movie under $165 million that was rated PG-13 — with ten characters’ movie rights up for collateral: “Captain America and something vaguely called the Avengers at the high end, dwindling to Shang-Chi and Power Pack. ”

So Maisel joined in 2003 and convinced Ike to do it all in-house. That was also this happened:

>In 2003, Fox and Marvel resolved their differences in a confidential settlement of their suits. Meanwhile, Fox continued to pursue their case against Tribune and Fireworks. Tribune sued Marvel for fraud and breach of contract, claiming Marvel encouraged Tribune to connect Mutant X to the X-Men, misrepresented what they were getting in their license, and caused millions in losses due to the need to alter story lines and characters to ensure the mandated distance between Mutant X and X-Men, as well as fighting Fox's litigation.

>>93625432
They sold X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Punisher, Daredevil, Ghost Rider and some other stuff. They got some of it back.

Are Hulk distribution rights still owned by Universal?

>>93626406
Probably, which is why you haven't seen a Hulk film or TV show.

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>>93626507
So who is behing '?'
Back in the days I'd be pretty sure it's either Storm or Wolverine or Cyclops. Maybe Magneto if we can have villains.

Right now all I can say is that if we're lucky it'll be Deadpool. But it's probably Winter Soldier or Star-Lord or Daredevil, or even Ghost Rider or Quake or Nick Fury (black one of course)

>>93626661
Black panther.
you will have to pay for day 1 dlc to play as him.
people are also saying he has a bunch of wolverine moves

>>93627711
fucked up.

Dragon Ball is going to kill this shit.

>>93624240
come on, even the shittier Fox movies underperformed at worst and they also begin with a plain Marvel logo

What the fuck happened to Marvel's godly PR? Did Feige poached them to work exclusively on the movies or what?

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>>93624240
People blow this way out of proportion sometimes. While it's true that Marvel is stupid for not putting a steady number of merchandise for the X-Men out there, it's ridiculous to say they blacklist them. The X-Men always eventually end up appearing in all their shit mobile games. I don't think there's any of them where they haven't appeared yet. They also have been putting out an insane, unnecesary and in some cases absolute shit, number of merchandise related to Deadpool during this decade alone. There was not long ago a series of toys of the X-Men in the legend series and other X-characters like Gladiator or Laura-Wolverine are also out in other packs. While on TV, Wolverine and Deadpool did appear on Ultimate Spiderman and currently Marvel is working on two X-Men live action shows, Legion and that other one I don't remember the name.

As far as comics go, well the comics aren't cancelled right? They still have a big line of books. Bigger if you count Deadpool. Just ask a F4 fan what true comic hell is. They have all their comics cancelled and the few characters remaining are on the hands of the Bendis.

>>93627711
Oh right, forgot about him.

>>93624240
Ike, OP.

Ike is the problem. He desperately wants to get rid of the X-Men so he can push the Inhumans as their Zionist replacements.

>>93628158
withput him. would a collaboration between Marvel studios and Fox be possible for an MCu movie of X-men?

>>93628111
>The X-Men always eventually end up appearing in all their shit mobile games. I don't think there's any of them where they haven't appeared yet.

Did they show up in Avengers Academy?

>>93628239
Nah, because Fox are still greedy shits who want all the glory.

>>93628455
>Nah, because movie studios are still greedy shits who want all the glory.

>>93624240
>Doesn't remember X-men
Sure, it's not like there's a MULTIBILLION DOLLAR MOVIE FRANCHISE about them or something.

>>93628111
Some fans do but it's hard to blame them when too many actions Marvel has been making have been illogical.

>The X-Men always eventually end up appearing in all their shit mobile games.

The X-Men didn't show up in Lego Avengers yet did they? And they only just showed up just this year in Marvel Future Fight, when they started pushing the X-Men a little more again.

What they froze out is all the movie merch, though. Only like maybe Hot Toys stuff got through (not sure what the contracts on those are like).

>There was not long ago a series of toys of the X-Men in the legend series and other X-characters like Gladiator or Laura-Wolverine are also out in other packs.

Problem is they WERE cancelling a lot of stuff. Diamond Select Toys used to make Minimates of characters from the X-Men films up until Days of Future Past. Then they said outright that they were told to put a hold on X-Men and FF stuff. Then there were the X-Men (comic) statues that got canceled:

http://www.cbr.com/xm-studios-cancels-x-men-fantastic-four-products/

And how the X-Men and FF characters were mostly erased from shirts that used the Secret Wars covers and removed from that 2015 poster.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Marvel-Still-Sabotaging-X-Men-Fantastic-Four-71801.html

>While on TV, Wolverine and Deadpool did appear on Ultimate Spiderman

Deadpool appeared (and in maybe one or two episodes) a few years before Ike went crazy with ordering bans. Wolverine's last appearance on USM was in a 2014 episode, which also happened to be the year Days of Future Past was out (and the last time they had the Minimates), and also the year they decided to cancel the Fantastic Four. The ban was more noticable when Diamond Toys and other places started talking about how they were told to put FF and X-Men stuff on hold.

Sure, the Fantastic Four got it worse than the X-Men. But it's hard to blame X-Men fans when Marvel got stupid and brazen about their bans and caused this paranoia.

>>93624240
>no one remembers the X-Men
>shills for literally who's Black Panther and Captain Marvel
What could have possibly have been meant by that statement?

>Your modern Marvel fan, maybe they don't even remember some of the X-Men characters,
>They're probably in their Mid 20s, Early 30s who grew up watching X-Men TAS
>X-Men Movie franchise predates MCU and arguably saved Marvel

>>93629514
I seriously hope whoever at Capcom said it got shit on for that comment. Unless he was told by Marvel to say that, in which case I seriously hope Marvel gets more shit for that.

>>93629449

When he says "maybe they don't even remember... the X-Men" what he meant was "I hope nobody remembers the X-Men because Marvel is going to kill them off to avoid promoting an intellectual property they don't have the movie rights to."

Is what they are doing the the X-men any worse than what they did to any of their other characters?

>>93625710
>Bill Jemas puts top talent onto the Ultimate books, pushes them over everything else.
Fake and gay, they had millar and bendis.

>>93631524
And as >>93625938 pointed out, the two Ultimate launches were Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men. It makes no sense to include Jemas pushing the Ultimate line as deliberately trying to destroy the X-Men line.

>>93624240
They have been working on making them shit for years now. Don't know why the movies have decades of story's to pull from before they even have to start making their own up.

But ya xmen have gotten raped but then again with the absence of talent so has the rest of marvel.

>>93631524
...who were considered top talent back then.

>>93626507
That question mark should be a DLC Black Panther which has already been confirmed.

>>93625432
They were bankrupt. Fox saved the brand, and then Marvel got butthurt they revived the brand but they couldn't make money off there two biggest sellers

>>93624240
>Is marvel trying to kill x-men?
Yeah, but by now, at least the comics had to face the facts that most of the books they want to publish are bombing and X-Men is one of the last franchises really sustaining several books.

>>93631641
I don't think most of /co is smart enough to understand that.

>>93625868
>Are any of the current X-Men books really as bad as Champions, Wasp, or Miss America?
Thankfully no.
I'm actually enjoying most of the X-books right now.(Blue, Gold, Weapon X, X-23 Wolverine, and Jean.)
It's a little annoying that the X-Men get left out of cartoons and disappointing they won't be in the new Marvel vs. Capcom, but the X-Men have it better than most when it comes to current Marvel comics.