Moana > Zootopia

correct

>>93613749
Thick brown girl adventure > silly animal story

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>>93613749
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Pocahontas > The Lion King

>>93613778
It's a much more convincing argument when you put it like that.

Moana was a pretty mediocre movie. Moana herself doesn't even go through a lick of character development. She's the same from beginning to end.

>Beginning: Strong independent woman who think she's right about everything
>End: Strong independent woman who was right about everything

Hell, she even sums up and repeats her entire character and motivation throughout the film("I am Moana...").

>>93613871
Pretty much this. So much nothing happened in that movie and it had a very small cast and little diversity in scenery. It's like if you took the worst parts of Wind Waker and made THAT into a movie.

Zootopia isn't without its flaws but it introduced a ton of characters, built an entire world and showed off an immense variety of scenes while also having the two main characters go through a lot of internal and external conflict.

>>93613871
The point of the movie was that Moana had to choose between where she belongs and is needed (the island) and where she wants to be (the sea). The movie is more about her gradually coming to realize that it's a false dichotomy, that she can be a goof chieftain's daughter and lead her people without having to give up the sea.

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>>93613842
>Be a kid
>Want to see Lion King VHS in loop
>The trailer for Pocahontas is the whole Colors of the Wind segment
>There's no way fast-forwarding it constantly would not damage the tape, so parents forbid it
>Have to watch this fucking song, EVERY SINGLE TIME
>All other Disney VHS at the time started doing the same

>>93613778
Thick brown girl > thick rabbit
Smug Fox > Large pacific god

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>>93613842

Frozen > Big Hero Six

>>93613900
>the scenery was the worst part of wind waker
You are fucking retarded. Try going to the beach and getting some sun at some point, fatboy.

>>93614150

It's not the fact that there is sun and ocean, it's the fact that that is all there is. Moana was just a bunch of boring water and a couple of islands. Zootopia had huge cities, lush jungles, the frozen arctic and a bunch more. It just made it more fun to watch.

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>>93613900
>Wind Waker haters still a thing

You are not gonna get a realistic high-res Zelda, get over it!

>>93613943
>There's no way fast-forwarding it constantly would not damage the tape, so parents forbid it
I always fast forwarded these shitty commercials and all my tapes are still fine, guess your parents just wanted you to suffer

>>93614389
idk man, my Little Mermaid VHS tape got damaged for the solely reason I watched it way too much.

I wish I was kidding

>>93614213
Zootopia's scenery was boring. There was one area that's blue, one that's green, and two that are orange. There's nothing fun about that.

Moana's setting and atmospheric was full of eye popping colors mixed together.

Moana bored me, i was surprisednhow the movie just SUDDENLY ended

>>93613749
Both were amazing. I can't believe Disney became Pixar and Pixar became Disney.

>>93614067
Objectively wrong.

>>93614897
>Zootopia
>blue
>green
>orange

>Moana
>blue

>>93613749

It was good to see Zootopia fuck FEEL THE ETHNIC shitskin Moana at the Oscars, just like it fucked Finding Faggot Dory in the box office.

Moana must fail if Zootopia is to survive

>>93613749
Zootopia had superior animation and a far better creative team behind it.

>>93615124

it's the same fucking people!

> red pilled flick vs WE WUZ the movie

hmmm

>>93615180
You are so right anon! Howcould i forget that Walt Disney© still does all of the animation, writing, story boarding, voice acting, directing for every mobie he makes himself! Its not like there are individual teams that work independently within the company or anything cR@Zy like that.

They were the same movie.

Quirky female protagonist wants to fulfil some childhood goal and tricks a smug, yet insecure guy into helping her achieve the goal that will prove her worth.

>>93615124
Rich Moore is a god send for the entire company.

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>>93615404

that formula works so well since like 6 years.

>>93615434
i dunno, i wonder how Zootopia would turn out if he wasn't around.

>>93614067
Go stand in the corner, now.

>>93614897
>There was one area that's blue, one that's green, and two that are orange

funny, I remember seeing a plethora of entirely different environments, not just 3 of them.

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>>93615584

tell that to box office, Frozen is the new TLK , and it wont go away for many years

>>93613943
You could have cut the part with the trailers

>>93615095
*Objectively correct

fixed it for you

>tfw Zootopia was originally going to be about Nick, the fox.

Would have made for a much better movie t b h.

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>>93618098

he ws great character, yes, but he couldn't carry the movie.

>>93613749
Delicious Brown > furshit

>>93615117
Zootopia was all about race relations faggot

>>93619575
>Race
>Entire cast are animals
Are you retarded

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>>93619673

race allegory, anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkJGLCleFmI

>>93613749
Kubo > Moana >>>>>>>>>>Zootopia


Fuck the Oscars.

>>93619575
>>93619707
>>93619673

The race allegory for Zootopia was ridiculous, even if every single species is on the same mental level relatively, there are still a ludicrous number of significant physical differences between the species. An elephant could destroy half of the rodent housing in mere seconds if it so desired, but a black guy can't just destroy half of Chinatown because he feels like it.

Furthermore, if it's a race allegory then Zootopia promotes segregated housing and districts.

>>93619773
>but a black guy can't just destroy half of Chinatown because he feels like it.
You underestimate black people anon?

>>93615117
You do know the difference between Middle Eastern and Polynesian, right? It's only the span of a fucking continent.

>>93619797
Even if the guy is on a massive bender and has a lot of grenades and machine guns, there are only so many chink houses he can blow up in a certain span of time.

An elephent could level little rodentia in about 5 minutes.

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>>93619708

how do you feel about this year's Oscar winner for best animated feature?

>>93619773
Not everything in an allegory should be taken as a 1-to-1, or else the entire thing will come apart at the seams.

>>93619708
I couldn't have asked for a better atmosphere than with Kubo.

You could tell that so many people poured their hearts and souls into that film. It was beautiful.

Fuck the Oscars.

>>93613749
I preferred Moana overall, I think. But it's very close. I preferred Moana's humor and music, but Zootopia got a lot of the little things down really well. It had some of the best voice acting I'd heard in an animated movie in a while.

>>93619858
Sure, but the animal for race allegory presented in Zootopia doesn't work when the physical differences between species is enough to warrant legitimate bias.

Maus had a FAR better animal to race allegory, as they were all physically quite similar yet only their faces were different, representing the percieved racial facial features of Jews, Romani, Poles, etc.

Making them literal animals with massive size and behavior differences is a bad allegory.

>>93619846
>>93619863
Honestly, I do feel a bit contrarian for saying Kubo should have won, but at the very least I think ti's safe to say the oscar committee's reason for giving Zootopia the oscar (the "relevancy" of the film) was ridiculous. A film being "relevant" now doesn't dictate its quality, and while I think Kubo and Moana's stories were a bit weak, their messages are far more universal (Kubo's being the universal appeal of storytelling and remembrance, and Moana's being just general determination).

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>>93613943
>not muting the tv and getting your snacks and shit ready
Fucking pleb

>>93613749
Not only was Zootopia a far better film in literally every way, but it also resulted in better lewds.

>>93619923
>Maus had a FAR better animal to race allegory, as they were all physically quite similar yet only their faces were different, representing the percieved racial facial features of Jews, Romani, Poles, etc.
Maus was less allegory and more using the animal motifs as a metaphor. An allegory would have been if was cats committing a genocide on mice and such. Maus is just Art and Vladek's lives with masks (which is how book two opens).

>>93620003
While the animal motifs were more of an artistic choice on Art's part, they still functioned as an allegory for how different races perceive each other as one large, alien collective. Art said this himself.

>>93620045
That's still just metaphor, not allegory. Allegory is making something that has nothing to do with what it's really about. Aesop's fables are allegories, Maus is metaphor.

>>93620128
Allegories are metaphors that are extended over an entire work, to have a hidden meaning. While on the surface the animal metaphor in Maus is just a stylistic choice, Art also intended it as an allegory for the perceiving of racial groups and divides.


But regardless, my point still stands that the allegory in zootopia was weak and should not be a justification for an oscar win over Kubo.

>>93620128
I don't get it. How are fables not a metaphor?

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>>93620176

i appreciate the craftmanship but kubo's story was weaker.

i do agree that Oscars are a farse though.

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>>93620224

>>93620224
I definitely agree Kubo had the weaker story, the twist was quite obvious. I still enjoyed it more because I'm a stickler for non-cgi films with good animation.


But it's been sufficiently proven year after year the Oscar Committee doesn't really care about animation, almost every single voter will say either "I didn't see them all but [insert disney/pixar movie] was great!" or "I watched them all with my kids, and they loved [insert disney/pixar movie] the most!"


Wasn't there some big oscar controversy over how to train your dragon once? Something about vote manipulation?

>>93620248
>Shrek
Actually a year I think Disney deserved the Oscar, desu. While I love Shrek, monsters Inc was overall probably the better film. I prefer shrek 2
>Spirited Away
Deserved it.
>Finding Nemo
Deserved it
>The Incredibles
Definitely better than Shark Tale (how the fuck did that get nominated?), but Shrek 2 is close. I'd say that's a close call.
>Wallace and Gromit
Deserved it.
>Happy Feet
I didn't like any of the nominees from that year, to be honest. Happy Feet still confuses me, but I'd say I prefer it to Cars or Monster House.
>Ratatouille
Deserved it
>WALL-E
I really wanna say Kung Fu Panda deserved the win, but both were really excellent films. Close call.
>Up
I liked Up, but it was definitely not oscar worthy IMO. The Secret of Kells, Fantastic Mr. Fox, and Coraline were all superior, I'd probably have to go with Secret of Kells.
>>93620224
>Toy Story 3
It was just Toy Story 2 rehashed, definitely should have been How to Train Your Dragon.
>Rango
Deserved it
>Brave
Are you fucking kidding me? If we're gonna go with a pixar movie at least do Wreck-It Ralph, Brave was pretty but it was probably one of the least memorable and mediocre Pixar films I've ever seen. If it was up to me I'd go with Pirates! or Wreck-It Ralph (although pirates was rather weak, sadly).
>Frozen
I can't speak for this one since I didn't see The Wind Rises or Ernest and Celestine, but they probably deserved it more.
>Big Hero 6
Song. Of. The. Sea.
>Inside Out
I found When Marnie Was There to be pretty boring desu, but Inside Out was crazy hyped. Shouldn't have won desu.
>Zootopia
Should have been Kubo.

I enjoyed Boxtrolls more than Kubo.

>tfw i know someone who could cosplay as moana
hnnng

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>>93619707
that was dark.