Whaddaya think of Marvel Legacy now?

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>>93553950

>>93553977
>>93553950

assuming none of the current ongoings get creative changes, I'll probably keep reading whatever I'm currently reading.

and the 3 new books depend on creative teams really.

nothing about this makes me want to drop books, but its not going to make me pick up anything I'm not currently already interested in either though.

>no creative teams announced

Literally who gives a fuck

Also homage covers are stale and uninspired

>>93553950
Why not rename X-Men Gold and Blue to just Uncanny X-Men and X-Men and give them their legacy numbers or whatever.

>>93553950
The only thing I'm interested in here is Renew Your Vows.

>>93554039

I understand it as you don't really want to change a book's title mid-series

but they're doing it to deadpool, totally awesome hulk, and she-hulk so....no clue really.

I'll make mine something else..

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>>93553950
>renumbering the books into odd numbers instead of waiting for landmarks like Venom

>>93553950
I just farted.

>>93554096
No one cares, you dumb attention whore.

>>93553950
I'll just stick with DC, thank you.

>>93553977
I kind of find it funny that Alex Ross is still sticking with the purple costume color of early 60's Spider-Man issues, because Ditko outright said that was a color change by Stan (basically in the first issue of ASM, since the Fantastic Four guest-starred, Lee wanted Spider-Man to have a different shade of blue because his was too similar to the FF)

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/695/ditko4.html

>STEVE DITKO: "My original color combination was a warm, red-orange on the webbing section and a cool blue on the body parts. These colors made a nice contrast, they emphasized the webbing and added to the mystery mood. Spider-Man's blue was changed to a warm purple (it gets warmer, redder, in later issues, ruining the better contrast and mood)." (Steve Ditko, The Comics, v.12 #11, Nov. 2001)

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/695/ditko5.html

>Ditko said in THE COMICS, v.12 #11, "Spider-Man's cool blue was removed because the color blue was "owned" by the guest stars costume color." In other words, Spidey couldn't have a "cool blue" uniform because the Fantastic Four had cool blue uniforms.

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>>93554096

Moon Knight is really the only one I legit give a shit. MAYBE Spider-Man/Deadpool depending on whether Joe Kelly is still writing.

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>>93553950
Going by the "Don't Get Excited" route

>>93553950
Nothing changes, just like every other new yearly status quo. Might pick up Spirits of Vengeance, Two-in-One, and Moon Knight.

>>93553950
I actually just started reading Slingers was a little disappointed they only lasted 12 issues. So I'm actually kinda excited for that. Moon Knight sounds like they're going to keep beating the mental illness horse and keep fucking bringing back his brother Randall when Countdown to Dark was all he ever should have gotten.
I have very little faith in Sipirts of Vengeance being good. Everything else is just more of the same bland shit.

>>93553950
>You demanded it, we listened! Beginning this fall, prepare for an exciting new initiative that spans the entire Marvel Universe! Every hero! Every title! Every story! Honoring the past while proudly moving towards the future, MARVEL LEGACY will offer fans, both current and new, a renewed sense of hope, heroics, and dozens and dozens of returns of the heroes fans have been demanding! MARVEL LEGACY ushers in the next few years’ worth of stories from Marvel with everything fans could want and more. You asked for it, and now is the time to Make Mine Marvel!

>“I love the concept of returning to the classic characters as they were originally portrayed, without losing the brilliance and excitement of Marvel’s newest generation of heroes,” said Chairman Emeritus Stan Lee. “Excelsior!”

>Simply put MARVEL LEGACY will offer
>· The most spectacular character returns
>· Epic stories adding to the next chapter of the Marvel Universe by the industries’ top talent
>· Heroes fighting villains
>· Clean jumping on points for all readers clearly displayed using dynamic new trade dress
>· The return to original numbering for many series
>· Did we mention the most spectacular character returns that comic fans have demanded

>And that’s just the beginning! It all starts with MARVEL LEGACY #1.

>Journey to the dawn of time, as Marvel introduces you to the first Avengers from 1,000,000 BC – when iconic torch-bearers such as Odin, Iron Fist, Starbrand, Ghost Rider, Phoenix, Agamotto, and Black Panther come together for the startling origin of the Marvel Universe, in MARVEL LEGACY #1 on sale this September in comic shops everywhere!

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>>93553950
>America #8: Exterminatrix
There is no escape

>>93554423
>“MARVEL LEGACY #1 isn’t simply a history lesson,” says SVP and Executive Editor Tom Brevoort. “Rather, it’s the starting gun to a bevy of mysteries, secrets, and revelations that will reverberate across the Marvel Universe in the weeks and months to come! No character, no franchise will be untouched by the game-changing events that play out across its pages. Jason and Esad pulled out all the stops to fat-pack this colossal issue with as much intrigue, action, surprise, mystery, shock, and adventure as possible!”

>The acclaimed team of writer Jason Aaron (Mighty Thor) and artist Esad Ribic (Secret Wars) reunite for an all-new 50-page blockbuster one-shot that will take you through time to the current Marvel Universe, showing you how it’s “all connected.” A true homage to Marvel’s groundbreaking past and the vast expanse of current storytelling greats.

>“MARVEL LEGACY #1 will present all fans – new readers and current readers – with an exciting and accessible entry point,” says Marvel Editor in Chief Axel Alonso. “Jason and Esad have crafted an epic story that’s chock full of reveals and twists and Easter eggs that are sure to ignite a fire across the industry. The next stage of Marvel’s evolution starts here.”

>MARVEL LEGACY #1 will provide
>· The single most important first step for any fan to jumping into MARVEL LEGACY
>· Shocks, twists, clues, and Easter eggs
>· A blockbuster story that sets the stage for the coming years of Marvel storytelling
>· The introduction of the 1,000,000 BC AVENGERS
>· The most talked about return in comics
>· A brilliant tale by the legendary team of Jason Aaron and Esad Ribic
>· The set-up for 53 Marvel Universe series
>· Those character returns you’ve asked for, many of them get cued up here

>>93554448
>And there’s still so much more to come, we’ve merely scratched the surface with a few words, a few teases, and a few dazzling quotes. Sit tight for in the coming weeks, there will be more exciting announcements devoted to MARVEL LEGACY featuring all the epic new entry level story arcs, the dynamic creative teams, the legacy numbering guides, the returns, the searches, the battles, the foes, dynamic new nostalgia based promotions guaranteed to drive all fans into comic shops. This fall, get ready to cheer MAKE MINE MARVEL!

>>93554423
>You demanded it, we listened!
Oh fuck off, Marvel

>>93554423
>>93554448
Get the impression of obnoxious enthusiasm, like they're trying way to hard to sell you on it

>>93554423
>>· Heroes fighting villains

Meanwhile X-Men Blue and Gold will cross with each other, just as Champions with Avengers will, where heroes fight among themselves.

>>93554025
Yeah I'll keep pulling GOTG and Ultimates, nothing else really interests me.

>>93554519
Marvel has always been like that. Overly sensationalist. Stan Lee started that.

>>93554528
>Yeah I'll keep pulling GOTG and Ultimates
>and Ultimates
welp

>>93553950
>Spider-Man #234
I know at least one anon, who is getting ultratriggered.

>>93554550
Wait it's not cancelled is it?

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>>93553950

>>93553950
New Moon Knight incoming

NICE.
Title is also promising. I wonder who will write it.

>>93554632
Anon, you need to sit down...

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>The Newer Mutants

don't know why it reeks of Poochie to me

>>93554655
Well, how ecstatic would you be if it's Jim Zub?

>>93553950
>>93553977
Marvel's really intent on not showing the creative teams. Either because they're embarrassed that they're obviously the current teams. And/or they're embarrassed that they couldn't get anyone new but Priest.

>>93554632
Looks like it.

>>93554535
Not to the extent this has been. It makes Stan Lee's hype look subdued.

>>93553977
I am starting to think Marvel is putting shitty artists on X-Men to purposely get people to stop buying the books.

>>93554746
Bad art is a linewide problem.

>>93554727
Eh...
Please, tell me he's not.
I'm not against him, but...

Maybe MK can make the miracle? I mean, at worst, a MK run is always average, historically.

I want to believe.
I'm not reading uncanny avengers...
yet. I don't know what I'm going to come across with him.

>Moon Knight
>crazy runs in the family

They're gonna beat the "muh DiD" horse to death, and then have him replaced by his previously unknown (black) daughter.

>Iron Man
>the search for Tony Stark

Doom will be SO IMPRESSED with Riri, they will find Tony, he'll be SO IMPRESSED with Riri as well, and Doom will become an Iron Man villain.

Spirits of Vengeance, Punisher & Deadpool don't sound too bad. I dropped Thanos way back, and Lemire's left, but dunno.

All the rest sound shit.

>>93554778
>They're gonna beat the "muh DiD" horse to death, and then have him replaced by his previously unknown (black) daughter.

Maybe it's a retake in Marc and his brother's story, adding to the work Lemire was doing about shaping his personal history. The Marvel motive for this relaunch is legacy: Marc doesn't have one, but he sure can have a family history behind.

>>93554704
>>93554742
Looks like I'm down to one Marvel title then.

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About the only thing I'm excited for is Duggan's Infinity Quest storyline. And maybe Two-in-One depending on the creative team.

>>93553977
Avengers #672

>Avengers 1-503
>New Avengers vol1 1-64
>Avengers vol4 1-34
>Avengers vol5 1-44
>All-New, All-Different Avengers 1-15
>Avengers 1-11

Ok, I guess

>>93554704
FUCKPISS

>>93553950

Shit

>>93553950
Look at all those titles that returned to legacy numbering just in time to cashgrab on expensive milestones.

>>93553950
So is ultimates cancelled? Because if so, then there's nothing left at marvel that I want to read.

>>93553950
Spirits of Vengeance. Unless it is all about passing the torch to the lame Mexican kid with the car.

No Ultimates? That sucks ass. Other than keeping around Cho as Hulk and bringing in Spirits of Vengeance. I do not see anything really amazing.

>>93554874
Why?

>>93555032
>lame Mexican kid with the car.
Shit taste detected.

>>93554778
>Doom will become an Iron Man villain.

Worth it to get him disconnected from the F4.

>>93553950
Captain Marvel #125

Ms. Marvel 1-23
Ms. Marvel vol2 1-50
Captain Marvel vol7 1-17
Captain Marvel vol8 1-15
Captain Marvel vol9 1-10
Captain Marvel vol10 1-9

>>93555003
But almost none of them are close to milestones, you dumb drone.

>>93555066
Because Duggan is a good writer and bringing back a bunch of cosmic stuff that's been ignored for years.

>>93554448
>“MARVEL LEGACY #1 isn’t simply a history lesson,” says SVP and Executive Editor Tom Brevoort. “Rather, it’s the starting gun to a bevy of mysteries, secrets, and revelations that will reverberate across the Marvel Universe in the weeks and months to come! No character, no franchise will be untouched by the game-changing events that play out across its pages. Jason and Esad pulled out all the stops to fat-pack this colossal issue with as much intrigue, action, surprise, mystery, shock, and adventure as possible!”

So, "no colossal crossovers for a while" died a quick, ugly death, huh? Seriously, I want to read Marvel, but in the last twelve months, we've had Civil War 2 (which SUCKED), IvX (which was bland and boneheaded), and Secret Empire, which has been meh at best - and now we're using that as a launchpad to Legacy. And Legacy is itself a setup for ANOTHER relaunch, according to recent reports.

Marvel: Don't like what you're reading? Come back next week, it'll be all-new!

>>93553950
Make mine DC.

>>93553950
Is there any rhyme or reason on why some titles, like Generation X, went to legacy numbers while others, like Uncanny Avengers, didn't?

>>93555111
Try reading their books instead of just events, dumb namefag.

>>93555122
Uncanny Avengers has no legacy numbers. Think a little.

>>93555078
Go back to watching Fast and the Furious faggot.

>>93554844
Looks like I'm down to zero marvel titles. Way to kill my interest in marvel, Alonso.

So RYV is getting a timeskip?

Anyone else here really fucking hates this?

>>93555158
What does that have anything to do with Robbie? Is your entire problem about the car?

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>>93553950
I can see picking up a few more if there are creative changes, or more likely dropping something.

>>93553977
I really wish Marvel would just embrace the mini-series already. Their universe is ruined and taking the best years of artists careers and wasting them on every other issue of some hot garbage is just cruel.

>>93555139
>Try reading their books
Oh you mean such gems like Squirrel Girl, Mockingbird, Riri Williams, Venom, Moongirl, Miles, America Chavez, Angela, Hellcat and Gwenpool?

Dc Rebirth is gonna continue kicking their ass

>>93555221
You mentioned several cancelled books, drone.

>>93555194
I do, but then marvel has been doing a lot of things that I hate recently.

>>93555194
No. I don't hate it. I hate Spider-Man in general now. I used to be a huge fan. Marvel took that away from me though, systematically over the last 10 years.

Was anyone else expecting a full-blown relaunch with renumbered titles, new creative teams, and a return to form for the big Marvel heroes?

I'm okay with the young legacy heroes, but the fact that we are in the climate that we are for superheroes and THIS is the Avengers team we have makes me sick.

>>93554025
I hope Slott will be off Spider-Man

>>93553950
>Mayor Fisk
Based Kingpin

>>93555111
>>“MARVEL LEGACY #1 isn’t simply a history lesson,” says SVP and Executive Editor Tom Brevoort. “Rather, it’s the starting gun to a bevy of mysteries, secrets, and revelations that will reverberate across the Marvel Universe in the weeks and months to come! No character, no franchise will be untouched by the game-changing events that play out across its pages. Jason and Esad pulled out all the stops to fat-pack this colossal issue with as much intrigue, action, surprise, mystery, shock, and adventure as possible!”

Wait, didn't they do this with Original Sin where SECRET MYSTERIES were revealed?

>>93555230
Not in the short term, casual readers will eat these covers up and Marvel will declare Legacy a victory.

>>93555232
Oh so only their currently published books matter? Good to know. Every story ceases to exist after Wednesday, guys. Pack it up. We're done here.

>>93555209
No. Though that is a huge set back; as is his character design, his cliche origin story, boring story telling, and shitty art. Reyes is just a horrible character that is Ghost Rider in name only. There is a reason people dislike the character and ignored the book; it was not because he was Hispanic. It was because it sucked all around. That is without even going into how he was not technically 'Ghost Rider'.

>>93555291
Try actually following the conversation you were replying to and you'd see yes, we were talking about their current publications.

>>93555294
>shitty art
Stopped reading right there.

>>93553950
is it still the same batch of bad writers?

if not, then no

>>93555319
wait if YES then NO

Why can't Marvel just get a load of writers from 2000AD and tell them to go wild? That's what you're supposed to do when you're getting stale.

>>93555310
This guy >>93555139 just said "books". Not "currently published books"

>>93555350
And the person he was replying to was talking about the current state. Please, read the entire convo.

>>93553950
>>93553977
Unless Marvel Two-in-One gets Ewing, then all I'm seeing is one less book on my pull list and nothing to replace it with.

>>93555312
Good. Facts hurt. Better to not read them to keep from suffering cognitive dissonance. You are in the minority kid, otherwise the book would not be dead and gone. Bet you thought New 52 Lobo was better than the original as well huh? KEK Casuals.

>>93555280
Haven't you learned by now that marvel is the house of recycled ideas.

>>93553950
Could someone figure out how they arrived at these numbers?

>>93555398
Oh fuck, there were twists in a previous event and in the current one too!

Stop reaching.

>>93555095
>But almost none of them are close to milestones, you dumb drone.
>Amazing Spider-Man #789
>Avengers #672
>Cable #150
>Daredevil #595
>Deadpool #287
>GotG #146
>Invincible Iron Man #593
>Mighty Thor #700
>Spectacular Spider-Man #297
All those are close to either their 00s or 50s milestones and can easily reach them in a year at most. Many of those titles will also be double-shipping.

>>93555426
>Spider-Man #234

>>93554448
>>· The set-up for 53 Marvel Universe series
What's the 53rd book?

>>93554874
What's Moon Knight doing there?

>>93555419
People have been doing that in this thread

>>93553950
>Dcotor Strange #381
>#381
WAT
>Monsters Unleashed #7
didn't that shit flopped right out of the gate?

>>93555397
>My opinions are facts
Kek, such unrepentant autism. Post a bad looking page faggot, we'll wait.

>>93555446
Not really

>>93553950
>Spider-man #234
CALLED IT

>Ultimate Spider-man 1-133
>Ultimate Comics: Spider-man 1-15
>Ultimate Spider-man 150-160
>Ultimate Comics: All-new Spider-man 1-28
>Ultimate Spider-man #200
>Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-man 1-12
>Spider-man 1-21

>>93555443
That's the leader of the Fraternity of Raptors.

>>93555443
That's Talonar, one of the Fraternity of Raptors. You can tell because Moon Knight doesn't have claws.

>>93555447
>didn't that shit flopped right out of the gate?
Eh, it definitely launched to poor numbers, but the sales are good enough that it can probably last to #10. They tend to greenlight issues based on trades and they probably had too many issues to fit into one trade so they're giving it a couple extra to get two out of it.

At the very least, it's selling higher than Nova did.

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>>93555530
>>93555532
My confusions stems from the fact he looks like Moon Knight and not like one of the Raptors

>>93555471
>I called they would do to Miles' book what they did to all the other book

Man you must be the Oracle of Delphi or something

>>93555561
Yeah, the hood is very Moon Knight, I'll give you that, but I would have probably guessed "Oblivion" before "Moon Knight" since they both wear that style of hood and Oblivion is actually a cosmic character.

>>93555579
More that I called the number it would be, which is hardly some great feat or anything but still, a handful of people in the thread where I posted it were saying that they wouldn't count Ultimate Spider-man.

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>>93555561
He just has his hood up.

>>93553950
What the hell? Spectacular just launched. So it's gonna go from issue 5 to 297?

>>93553950
>>93553977
Without giving details about the new creative teams for the new books its a big fat nothing

Also fuck them for killings Ultimates right as it was getting somewhere

>>93554423
>The most spectacular character returns
Literally who coming back would be surprising?

>>93555687
Genis-Vell.

>>93555633
I guess

> Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man #1-133
> The Spectacular Spider-Man #134-263
> The Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 2 #1-5
> Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man #1-4 or 5

>>93555150
Anon, we're on the third volume of Uncanny Avengers. Remender did the first two with 27 and 5 issues respectively, and then Duggan started with volume 3.

>>93553977

I love that Astonishing Jean and Emma one.

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>>93555699
this is true. I wasn't expecting to ever see Phyla again. Maybe we are getting our own Mar-Vell family reunion.

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Green is books I'm gonna be pickin' up, Orange is a maybe that I'm waiting to see the creative teams for.

Might drop Spider-Man/Deadpool and Spec Spider-Man depending on how I like them. Spec didn't super impress me and the main team is off Spidey/Deadpool.

I was buying Spider-Gwen at first, but dropped it awhile ago. I'll pick it up for just the Gwenom arc.

>>93555722
Yeah but that's not legacy numbers. It wouldn't really make a difference if they are not in the three digits.

>>93555699
You know I think I'd be cool with Genis coming back as a deranged villain who menaces Carol, the Ultimates and the Guardians. But I wouldn't trust Marvel not to fuck it up.

>>93553950
Honestly, no one likes or reads marvel anymore.
Change your editorial and writers bullpen Marvel shill, otherwise, you will fail, the movies are born from the comics, when nobody reads them anymore then nobody will watch the movies either.

>>93555785
i would actually buy that

>>93555768
Generation-X is only #85.

>>93555768
Neither is Generation X yet it got renumbered.

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>>93553950
Christ 52 titles is still a lot. What's sad is that there's bound to be more, unless they're planning on cancelling Runaways at #2.

>>93555880
I just don't understand why they didn't wait ONE month and just launch Runaways as part of Legacy.

>>93555194
Normally I hate time skips but teenage spiderling does sound more interesting...

>>93555928
Because Marvel's losing sales NOW, anon.

>>93553950

Its the same talent less cancerous fuckups in creative. So its shit.

>>93555194
isn't Annie 8 years old right now?

could be in reference to when they found out MJ was preggers. not to happy about a time-skip, so here's hoping to that instead.

>>93554465
>>93554448
>>93554423
This all seems transparently cynical

>>93555194
As long as it was planned I'm okay with it.

>>93555261
hahahahahahaha

yeah and I hope Bendis leaves Marvel

>>93553950
>>93553977
Man, they really changed the face of the comics industry with this one.

I guess I'll keep reading U.S.Avengers for based Sam... and maybe Moon Knight, if the creative team is good. This is really depressing.

>>93553950
>Astonishing X-Men: A Man Called X

Are there still going to be people denying the Bleeding Cool story about Xavier coming back? Even though Astonishing is said to bring back a character and the first villain in the shadow king? Even though the recent X line relaunch was called RessurXion?

>>93553950
>No Ultimates
Guess I'm down to just Captain Marvel & USAvengers now.

>>93553950

Depressing as fuck. Can we stop posting Marvel for like a year?

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>>93556928
>Captain Marvel

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>>93556992
it's been pretty good

>>93557045

The mediocore streaks between the shit dont really do it for me. The past doesnt go away its like watching someone walk away from a car crash in a slightly entertaining way.

Also I still dont like the new look. The colors arent bad but they arent her. Plus the skinny body now. Everything else would have been enough of a change but that is like a new character.

>>93553950
I can understand putting Action/Detective Comics back to their old number because they'll be reaching the fabled #1000 in a couple years time but what does Marvel hope to gain from this? It's not like the old days in comics where kids with a limited budget would want a high numbered series because "that means it must be good".

Apart from a big maybe for Avengers #700 I don't think the other series will reach landmarks in due time. Expect another wave of #1's in the near future form Marvel.

>>93554423
>· Heroes fighting villains

I like that this is supposedly a selling point rather than just the way things should be.

>>93556899
It's Adam X the Xtreme.

>>93553950
Man, we're getting Daredevil 600, Iron Man 600 and ASM 800 pretty soon.

>>93554214
I'm still shocked that Ross is still at Marvel, you would think that he would have jumped back to DC after Rebirth since that's basically his jam.

>>93558121
>Slott got to write ASM 600, 700 and will probably write 800 too
Dayum

>>93555114
That should really be their slogan come 2018.

>>93558241
It's weird that Ross refused to draw Kyle Rayner or Tim Drake yet now he's ok with Miles, Squirrel Girl, Gwenpool and all that utter shit

>>93554039
Xmen arent the big thing anymore.

>>93558356
Yeah, a lot of fans today don't even remember the X-Men.

>>93558367
True. Hahahahahahah

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>>93553950
If it's not Renew Your Vows or Gwenpool, then I don't give a shit about it.

>>93558329
I get Miles, but why would Alex Ross be against Squirrel Girl or Gwenpool?

>>93558329
Ross doesn't really care about Marvel the way he does about DC. There it's just a paycheck, not a passion.

>>93558484
I was just giving examples of terrible characters he draws, but yeah along the lines of Miles he did Whore and those other legacy characters in Secret Wars when he used to refuse to draw non silver age characters for DC

>>93557486
>what does Marvel hope to gain from this?

A temporary sales boost. That's all they give a shit about. Short term gain is more important than long term.

>>93558685
Simple. They appeal to him, but kyle and aqua hook don't. He also hates 90s style comics like most do.

Dc to most always been about staying mostly the same while marvel is progressive to changes.

>>93555722
> 27 + 5 + 28 = 60
They have one job.

>Champions
>Hawkeye
>Iceman
>X-Men (Blue & Gold)
>Uncanny Avengers
>Weapon X
>Squirrel Girl
>Thanos
But Moon Knight gets a renumbering?

Also, is Slott/Allred Silver Surfer finally done?

>>93553950
>>93553977
THE HOUSE OF IDEAS WINS AGAIN

>>93559924
Yeah, there's two issues left.