MCU MJ

What do you hope to gain

She is not Mary Jane, you stupid fag.

>>93549877
Inb4
>She is "Michelle" not Mary Jane!
>despite having the exact same nickname, they're 100% not related in any way!

>>93549897
Who said she's Mary Jane? She's MJ.

>>93549877
Zendaya's great and Gwen is shit, so good?

>>93549922
And MJ is Mary Jane, dingus.

>>93549928
Sure thing, pedo scum.

>>93549922
So pic not related?

I'd have prefered that they made her regular mary jane and dyed her hair read and called her Mary Jane than calling her Michelle/"MJ"

>>93549922
Simple mathematics, Anon.

A = B = C

Michelle = MJ = Mary Jane

>>93549897
So, why marvel made a MJ that is NOT Mary Jane? Just to get us triggered?

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>>93549877
Who cares if she is black?

Her whiteness doesn't effect her character.

>>93549877
at this point I want to say I like it just to spite faggots like you

>>93550005
>kinky gal to nerdy smartass
Her personality is also different tho,

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>>93549914
>>93549922
>if someone has the same initials they are same person
>Peter has been dating Michael Jackson for years

>>93550005
>Who cares if she is black?
Its not even that she's black, she has literally nothing in common with the comic character at all.

Comic MJ:
>Escapes her abusive home life, by living a lavish life full of partying and hitting on guys. Loves being the center of attention and is a model.

MCU MJ
>Social outcast and #blacklivesmatter protester, who prefers shoving her nose into a 2deep4u philosophy book instead of interacting with her peers

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Hey guys just an MJ coming through.

>>93550054
>>if someone has the same initials they are same person

Show me a single instance of the MCU introducing two completely different characters that prefer to go by their initials and have the same initials.

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>>93550054

>>93550075
>>93550024
Did you hate both the previous Gwen and MJ too?

I mean, i get it, but is it a tragedy if it works in the movie? They're just trying not to repeat stuff

>>93550075
>>Social outcast and #blacklivesmatter protester, who prefers shoving her nose into a 2deep4u philosophy book instead of interacting with her peers
>#blacklivesmatter

Fuck off with your /pol/ shit and watch the movie.

>>93550106
>Did you hate both the previous Gwen and MJ too?

Yes. Dunst's MJ is one of the reasons I dislike Raimi's movies. She has nothing in common with Mary Jane, outside of the name.

This isn't the double standard you want it to be.

>>93549877
Infinity better than the shit they are doing with Mary Jane in the comics. Also, this shit posting about her initials is old and lame. Try harder OP.

>>93550054
Why would you even bother giving your Spider-Man character the initials "MJ" if you don't intend to invoke "the" MJ?

>>93550094
But she goes by Michelle.

>>93550106
Well if they are trying to not repeat stuff they should not be making a goddamn spiderman movie in the first place.

>people who think Mary Jane is just a set of initials and not her own fucking character

Michelle J isn't Mary Jane you dumbasses. They will obviously put in the real Mary Jane so they can do a MJ vs MJ story. She's most likely Michelle Jameson.

>>93550054
>>93550089
Not a Spider-Man character.

So do we have any confirmation that they did this stupid "MJ" thing? Because Im pretty fucking mad if they did considering it means we wont ever see Mary Jane in this series.

>>93550075
>she has literally nothing in common with the comic character at all.
Because she's not the fucking comic character, christ.

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>>93550122
Its right in the trailers and all the promo material released.

We have seen plenty of scenes of her preferring to stick to herself. She specifically makes a point to say that she wants to go protest in front of an embassy in one of the clips and all of her books are absolutely 2deep4u philosphical nonsense, like when they show her reading Of Human Bondage in the gym scene (pic related).

So deny it all you want, but facts are facts.

>>93550154
That would be a stupid plot even for capeshit movie makers standarts.

>>93550162
>considering it means we wont ever see Mary Jane in this series.

Proofs?

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>>93550075
British MJ:
>lead singer of the Rolling Stones, who prefers shoving his nose in a pile of cocaine instead of interacting with Spider-man. Also has a penis.

>>93550136
She doesn't, she explicitly states in a roll call scene at the end of the movie that she, "Prefers to be called MJ".

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>>93549877
I'll stick with this MJ.

>>93550172
And what does that have to do with BLM, let's hear it

>>93550154
>>people who think Mary Jane is just a set of initials and not her own fucking character

As far as movies are concerned, yeah, that's accurate. Movie producers don't give a fuck about the character's actual personality, as evidences by how Raimi's MJ is nothing like comic MJ in any way, other then being female and having red hair.

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>>93550159
Good thing Magic Johnson is, then.

>>93550204
More people give a shit about Raimi's Spider-man than any other kind, stay mad.

>>93550167
Correct. She's a stand in. A replacement for the comic character.

Why is this so hard for you to understand.

>>93550198
BLM is the most hipster thing ever right now. And "Michelle" is the personification of counter-culture anarchist hipster.

>>93550216
And all of those people are normie moviefags who have never read a single Spider-Man comic in their life.

>>93550221
They call her MJ one whole time in the movie and it's played as a joke.

Why wouldn't they just call her Mary Jane if that's who she's meant to be? Why have a stand in?

>>93550239
So it's all about your persecution complexes, got it

>>93550258
>and it's played as a joke.
Its not, at all.

>>93550248
Considering that movies are making more money than comics and have a much stronger fanbase at the moment, who gives a shit about the comic fans?

>>93550179
Do you really think they'd have 2 MJs in a movie series? Hopefully they ditch Michelle

>>93550258
>Why wouldn't they just call her Mary Jane if that's who she's meant to be? Why have a stand in?
To add a twist to it?

You know, how Nolan said there is no Robin in his Batman, and that actress was playing Miranda, not Tallia al Ghul?

>>93550075
The BLM bit is bullshit. But otherwise, yeah, Michelle (aka "MJ") is the polar opposite of the MJ we see in comics.

what if it takes Zendaya a couple of years before she really becomes Mary Jane from the comics?

Also I don't think super kinky, centre of the universe type of character would do well in this type of universe. Despite what anyone says, this is a movie more for kids then it is for young adults and I think that's the main reason why Zendaya acts the way she does, it's a better role model for kids.

>>93550258
>They call her MJ one whole time in the movie

And? They call Blake "Robin" a whole one time in the movie and he's canonically the Robin of the Nolanverse. How is this any different?

>>93550281
>Do you really think they'd have 2 MJs in a movie series?

Michelle being the daughter of Spidey's ULTIMATE NEMESIS Jonah Jameson is the most obvious plotline ever, especially when they can set up a running gag where all of Spidey's love interests are daughters of villains (like Liz)

Spidey being confused about there being "two MJ's" is also a super easy joke. It's pretty obvious. Anyone whining about how this means there's no Mary Jane ever has a a huge persecution complex

>>93550281
Could be, they're focusing on teenage drama, a love triangle isn't so out there. Although guys, Michelle shows no romantic interest for Peter at all, so it's not like we're talking about retconning the movie

>>93550286
>and that actress was playing Miranda, not Tallia al Ghul?

Oh fuck. Totally forgot about that. This is effectively the exact same situation with Zendaya's character.

>>93549877
i thought MJ should always be a red-head but one look at this one makes me want to lick her coffee coloured anus.

I would love to 'hit the jackpot'

>>93550286
Is this the most predictable twist ever?
Part of the reason I didn't believe in the MJ rumor was because fucking everybody caught on it months bvefore the movie was out, if it's meant to be a twist it's a fucking failure.

>>93550317
>>93550286
I don't remember Nolan allowing journalists to talk about the twist before the movie is even out

>>93550309
Wait, does it mean JJ would also be black?

>>93550309
>>93550313
Fair enough. I just hated the idea of Sony trying to pull a half assed creation is all. I guess we'll see. After seeing Mary Jane get shit on in comics for so long, I'd at least like to see her in a film series again (Dunst certainly wasnt that great). At least RYVs is still going I guess

>>93550338
considering her name isn't fucking "Mary Jane" it isn't a twist, it's more like a reference

THE CHARACTER ISN'T FUCKING MARY JANE WATSON IN ANY WAY BESIDES HAVING THE SAME INITIALS YOU DIPSHITS

SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME CHARACTER, THE SAME PURPOSE, FUCKING ANYTHING IN COMMON WITH MARY JANE WATSON IT IS A FUCKING REFERENCE

>>93550344
Zendaya looks fairly mixed.

>>93549877
>muh mary jane
what about liz allen, gwen stacy and felicia hardy?

>>93550343
Just like most plot twists in popular movies, it leaked out.

>>93550344
Could be. Fans have been joking about people like Terry Crews playing him for years. But Zendaya's mixed, a white parent could still work. They did that for Liz

>>93550350
Jesus calm the fuck down. That's not what a reference is.

>>93550333
Really? To me she looks like a person who hasnt showered in a week.

>>93550344
Ice Cube was being scouted for JJJ back in the Amazing Spiderman days, and now everyone wants Terry Crews

>>93550355
Liz Allen is in the movie and is Vulture's daughter, but she moves away and doesn't get with Peter. Gwen most likely won't be in it because its too soon after ASM and Felicia is in Sony's shitverse

>>93550355
>>93550368
It's Liz AllAn, not Allen.

>>93550350
>it's more like a reference
I don't think you know what a "reference" is.

Mary Jane or not, I just hope Stan lives long enough to see the "Face it, Tiger" line on film. Ah who am I kidding? Stan will outlive us all

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>>93550367

How long until Peter is dating the new MJ in the comics?

>>93550290
>Michelle (aka "MJ") is the polar opposite of the MJ we see in comics.

Never stopped the film makers. Remember "Mandarin"? From IM3?

>>93550404
Soon as the Secret Empire stuff is over, I'm guessing. Gotta have that sweet, sweet synergy.

>>93550404
When Slott gives Otto his own "Death of Mary Jane" arc

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mfw the next Spidey girl in the movies is Ann Marie

>>93550415
>Never stopped the film makers. Remember "Mandarin"? From IM3?

Yes, that's my point. I was agreeing with the anon's larger point, just not about the moronic BLM notion.

>>93550309
>Lists his fanfiction.
>"It's pretty obvious."

The thing that pissed me off is, instead of just making her Mary Jane we get a ripoff Sony OC character who's nickname is MJ.

It's lazy as fuck, and really sad they have to fool people into thinking she's Mary Jane.

>>93550404
Slott will introduce a new girl named Melanie Juarez so he can pander to the movie casuals with the MJ nickname without ruining his plan of leaving "important" personal marks on the character's history forever

>>93550422
Are we finally going to get our so much wanted midget porn?

>>93550441
Its so Sony can have it both ways. If people bitch about it, they say, "See! Its -Michelle-, not Mary Jane!"

And then when people bitch that they want Mary Jane, they just go, "Well, we've already got a MJ!"

>>93550461
And if people embrace it, they get fancy diversity points.

>>93550461
Exactly.

>>93550239
I don't think the MCU has ever mentioned race even once film wise.

>>93550461
What about Flash, Ned, Liz...
Why should they shy away from one but not all the others. Why do you think they'd assume /pol/acks bitching would ever be relevant and hurt the movie

>>93549877
this movie has a bigger problems that "muh mj"
>lize allen the love interest is 6 years older than peter
>they don't care about flash so they threw him under the bus
>already confirming there's miles morales even though it's only the first fucking film with parker
>completely missing the point of ned leeds character
>betty is now a blonde and a high schooler
and the biggest of all, tony fucking stark making his suit, already knowing he's the peter parker and all the other shit

not even sony made mistakes like that. the eternal mouse needs to stopped

>>93550005
>>93550075
>>93550354
She's half white. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if she was whiter than Vanessa Williams

>>93550494
Her being Vultures daughter made more sense than anything else. She's mixed, Keaton's white, keep her last name secret for that specific reason and not the same shit as Star trek, Ironman 3 and TDKR. I honestly wish they just went with that.

>>93550494
Well for one, Mary Jane is a far more iconic character than any of them (Flash obviously gaining popularity recently because of the Agent Venom stuff, but still).

If anything, Sony is probably banking on the fact that race controversy brings attention to their movie and gets more people in theater seats, just to be apart of said controversy.

If its received well, they get diversity points. If it backfires and is poorly received, they still got their money.

is she really Michelle J or is this a joke?

>>93550543
She really is. Despite how bullshit the rumors seemed, they're true.

>>93550172
Get a load of those oven-dodgers in the top left kek

>>93550527
Wel Zendaya isn't Vulture's daughter. Someone else is though

>>93550286
>>93550305
Fair comparison I guess, but I'd say the difference is that there's no other actual first name given for her like with Talia's reveal or Blake's weird, last minute scene. She doesn't take Pete aside and tell him to call her Mary or anything like that. If her real name is Mary Jane, then why not do what TDKR did, and have her reveal it during the movie?

Will normies be upset and confused about MJ?

>>93550533
What controversy can there be for a character who is explicitly not anyone from the comics?

>>93550577
>but I'd say the difference is that there's no other actual first name given for her like with Talia's reveal or Blake's weird

That's irrelevant, the nickname "MJ" is iconic all on its own. When people hear or read that name in a comic context, everyone thinks of a single character.

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>>93550573
How did that rumor get mixed up in the first place? I'm not even sure what's real anymore.

>>93550604
>trying this hard

I'll give you points for the effort.

>>93550577
This anon explained the "why" quite well. Sony/Disney covered their bases:
>>93550461

>>93550583
Tumblr and SJWs will embrace it and call anyone who dislikes it a racist.

Most other people will range from apathetic to annoyed to full on anger.

>>93550583
Nah, probably just say something like "Yaaaas, the REAL MJ is a BLACK girl! #woke"

>>93550583
They'll post gifs of happy black women.

If some nerd comments with disapproval, they'll reply with gifs of smug black women.

>>93550630
Why aren't they doing the same for Valkyrie. Why would they suddenly be scared of "controversies" consisting in a dozen of people bitching on 4chan

>>93550669
And what if that nerd is a non-white?

>>93550623
Presumably someone leaked info saying "the black girl love interest is Vulture's daughter" and people assumed that they were talking about Zendaya.

>>93550624
>trying this hard
I'll give you a (you) for the effort.

>>93550683
The same thing? Non-male, though, maybe...

>>93550676
Normies have no idea who Valkyrie even is. Thinking she has anywhere near the same impact is just silly.

Mary Jane (or MJ) is intrinsically linked to Spider-Man history and virtually every normie and casual in the world knows exactly who she is (or some version of her, anyway).

>>93550669
So /a/ but blacker and in 3D?

>Crisis on Infinite MJs

>>93550676
>consisting in a dozen of people bitching on 4chan

Hop on twitter, reddit any comic message board, dingus. This isn't isolated to 4chan.

>>93550630
Sure, maybe that's it, but why care now? After all the race and gender swaps in comic book related media, what makes Mary Jane so special that they hide her identity this hard?

>>93550716
>but why care now?

Where have you been since Zendaya was first announced to even be in the movie? This has always been a topic of discussion.

>>93550700
A black woman is still not the first thing in most people's minds when they hear the word 'valkyrie'.

>>93550135
They do that shit all the time with Superman and LL.

>>93550154
She is MJ. They just did it to evade race arguments.

She is THE MJ character for nigger lovers.
She is just another MJ for alt right nazis.

They tried to cover all the bases with this. But for all intents and purposes she is Mary Jane.

>>93550768
That issue is just retreading the Heimdall situation, back in 2011. This has already been dealt with. People have accepted that they're not literal Norse gods, but rather space aliens. They don't have to be white.

And for the record, there were (and still are) a small group of people bitching about the fact that Valkyrie is black. But as previously stated, the issue has already been pretty much dealt with.

>>93550793
>But for all intents and purposes she is Mary Jane.
Except for, y'know, her actual name, her characteristics, her personality, all that stuff. But as long as her initials are "MJ", she's the same character as anyone else with those initials.

>>93550768
Heimdall is Black, one of The Warriors Three is Asian. It's really not farfetched for Valkyrie to be mixed in the world they built. You can still jerk it to Brunhilde and Bugs Bunny in a Viking helmet if you're bothered.

>>93550818
She's MJ the same way that "Flash" is Flash.

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>>93550818
>she's the same character as anyone else with those initials.

Yeah, because there are SO many of them in the MCU, right? Its not like those initials instantly refer to a very specific iconic comic book character or anything.

>>93550831
so another /co/mblerina OK with black washing for the sake of diversity
How shocking

>>93550869
see: >>93550796

>>93550793
>be progressive with all the swaps
>it's large portion of what people have been talking about buzz wise
How does that evade the race argument more than anything else they've done?

>>93550915
See: >>93550461 and >>93550476

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>>93549929
anon

>>93549940
You do realize Zendaya is legal right?

>>93550005
I don't care that she's black, I care that she's a shitty Disney Channel "actress."

>>93551063
The character she is playing isn't, though. And she looks about the age of her character.

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>>93550818
>Of course she is not THE ACTUAL MJ, you lovable drumpfkin, WINK WINK
Meanwhile at Sony HQ
>See Abraham? I told you so. Tell the boss the fuckers are eating it!

>>93550869
You don't care about Valkyrie as a character. Literally no one does. So what's the real issue? Let's talk through your feelings. Were you this pressed when Gamora and Drax were cast? Or Netflix Elektra?

>>93551090
Her character isn't real. And he specifically mentioned her by name, not role.

>>93550818
Flash Thompson.

She is MJ on this universe. There will be no other redheaded MJ later.

Face it nigga, u won the gibs

>>93551085
Again, Who cares? The old MJ used to be in worst movies.

>>93551115
>drumpfkin
>>93551161
>gibs
Is NOT wanting/liking a black MJ a leftist position now?

>>93551085
Have you seen the clips? She plays the snarky girl very good, and most reviewers are saying they wished she had more presence

>>93551196
Nothing says "MJ" like "snarky, counter culture and social outcast girl", right?

>>93550494

"Ned" instead of Ganke is just so they don't have to deal with Bendis (can you blame them?).

>>93551184
No, but ignoring the fact MJ is black in this universe is. And if its not leftism its plain retardation.

Again, it was made on purpose vague so both nigger lovers and nigger haters be happy with it. But she is the MJ of this universe. Just like Flash Thompson is an indian manlet.

Deal with it and dont support the movie. Or support it, but dont expect the "real MJ" to appear later when she is in fact MJ.

>>93551090

So what, if someone looks too young they're not allowed to have relationships without it being pedophilia? Are you high?

>>93551232
Nothing says Flash Thompson like a brown, small, physically not imposing nerd

>>93551196
Yes, I have. I've also had the misfortune of sitting through enough of her TV Show that she is literally only capable of doing the generic "snarky chick," and if she doesn't have enough presence in the film it's because if they gave her anything else to do that would require more acting talent she would fall flat on her fucking face.

>>93549877
/pol/ fuck off

>>93551287
No disagreement there.

>>93551196
>Most reviewers are saying they wished the black girl was on screen more

Gee, I never would have guessed people who make their living off pleasing the internet would say they wanted more blackness on screen.

>>93551341
/pol/ fuck off

>>93549877
Even gay Peter Parker would be better.

>>93551306
They made fucking MJ black. You "go back to /pol/" people can smoke a fucking pole for all I care. When marvel does shit to generate this response it absolutely has a place on this board. They didn't cast a single person based on acting ability. They chose her for her skin color.

>>93551287

I still cannot for the life of me understand the thought process behind this change at all. Why? Who were they attempting to appease? Who likes this change to a long-standing established character? Race changing a character is one thing, but making them completely unrecognizable in literally every aspect on top of that? What's the point of it? I mean, it's pretty clear they're not going to go the "disabled veteran => Agent Venom" route with that putz, so what's the angle here? What can they do with the character that necessitated him being Flash Thompson instead of his own OC?

>>93551232
That wasn't my point, anon said she was a bad actress, I'm saying so far she doesn't look bad

>>93551369
Because they inserted Peter in a special school where everyone's a smartass. Sure, there's no physical bullying, but he still mistreats Peter and is the school's cool guy with the fancy car and the awesome parties, so is the dynamic that different?

>>93551272
>nigger haters be happy with it.
I can't imagine Sony's intention would actually work here. I can see Sony doing it, but are they really "ok" with this?

>>93551407

The dynamic is similar, but the character himself is not the same. What necessitated him literally being Flash Thompson instead of a new OC? What target audience were they aiming for here? Who is a fan of Spider-Man/Flash that wanted or was genuinely pleased by this change?

>>93551351
After Iron Fist, its a legit concern.

>>93551369
My problem is, if an actor is supposed to take a role seriously you think he himself would ask the question eventually. If I was a 5'5" punjab looking mehican and they asked me to play a 6'5" stereotypical white jock bully, who in turn serves in vietnam (likely in the middle east now as the deployment in asia isn't really dangerous enough yet to do a disabled veteran storyline) I would have to ask someone "Am I expected to play that role eventually? Won't it look odd having a pathetic brown man-baby amongst actual soldiers? Wouldn't it be like Captain America before the serum? And if Tom Hardy is playing venom am I going to be compared to him? Is he playing the same character?"

It just seems like the guy is in a role in which he's bound look silly. Either you're the guy everyone makes fun of for not being a good flash, or you're the guy everyone hates for keeping them from even doing the flash storyline.

>>93551439
I couldnt even finish Iron Fist

>>93551369
Isn't the guy playing him some producer's kid or something

>>93551435
If you're admitting it's not a tragic change why are you so upset they jept the name?

And the non-shitposting answer to that question is that they're trying to make a Spider-Man movie that doesn't feel like the other two iterations we got in less than 20 years. Just look at the reviews, everyone is approaching this movie wondering "am i going to witness the same thing AGAIN?"

>>93551362
>They made fucking MJ black.

This isn't even the issue. They stripped away literally every aspect of the character that was identifiably "MJ". Aside from having the same initials, Michelle has literally nothing in common with Mary Jan. And this is the only MJ we are ever getting in the MCU.

>>93551460
Well, the point is: a fuck ton people were bitching about race. And used the alleged white washing and cultural appropriation as the basis of bad reviews.

Yes, the show had other issues. Not denying that for a second. But the race bullshit overshadowed all of that, as far as the media is concerned.

>>93551369
Let me explain the exact process that took place:
>we need more non-whites to show how progressive we are
>we can't change parker though
>okay, but there are some not-that-important side characters we can change, right?
>yeah, let's see, uhm, flash thompson?
>cool, make him brown
>wait, wait
>what?
>we can't make a brown-dumb-physically-violent-bully vs kind-white-smart-nerd, that's racist
>oh, I know! what if we make flash a nerd and smart too?
>great! a nerd-bully, like those online trolls, very cutting edge, fellow executive

Of course, there's the tiny problem that the whole flash vs peter deal is flash bullying parker and parker being unable to fight back, because he hides the fact that he's strong as fuck. If you make their fight be a mental one, there's no reason why peter can't just outsmart flash, is there? The whole "I'm stronger than you, but hide it to keep my superpowers hidden, so I pretend to be that weakling you bully even though I fight supervillains" point of their relationship is gone.

>>93551486
It is a large part of the issue. Black girls can't be shown as vapid party-girls in the media. Especially when the movie isn't directed by or written by a black woman.

Black girls and women are supposed to be hard-working, pensive with the typical "lioness" attitude.

Making her black was the first, and most obvious step, towards them not even attempting to use anything but Mary Jane's nickname.

You're like the people who said Michael B Jordan wasn't too bad as Johnny Storm. Fuck off. He's black. He was terrible at playing a blond haired white kid.

>>93551477

>If you're admitting it's not a tragic change why are you so upset they jept the name?

Where did I "admit" it's not a bad change? The dynamic being similar is not the be all and end all of Flash Thompson as a character, especially post-high school Flash.

>And the non-shitposting answer to that question is that they're trying to make a Spider-Man movie that doesn't feel like the other two iterations we got in less than 20 years.

So what part of that necessitated having someone named "Flash Thompson" at all?

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>>93551526
>>93551565
I'm the kind of anon that usually ignores this because bants are bants, but Jesus fucking Christ get the hell back to /pol/ or it's lite version /tv/, nobody cares about your conspiracies

>>93551667

This.

>>93551645
It's Peter Parker's school life, teenage comedy-drama and all, why wouldn't you want a bully/rival and why shouldn't he be named Flash?

>Especially post-high school Flash
Anon, it's gonna take a while to get these characters out of school, and i highly doubt they'll have the time to turn Flash in a gym teacher or a war veteran even if he was the jock version

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>>93551684
>>93551667
>that post-time-difference

>>93551697

>why wouldn't you want a bully/rival

I agree.

>and why shouldn't he be named Flash?

Why should he be if he is nothing like Flash save for being a fellow student that is antagonistic towards Peter?

>>93551565
I'm pissed about black MJ too, but not solely because she's black. I'm pissed that they removed all of MJ's identifiable characteristics.

You can fuck off with this racist garbage.

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>>93551716
>that persecution complex

>>93551716

What? No, I am agreeing with that anon.

>>93551565
>pensive with the typical "lioness" attitude
How many times has this been done in-media? Is this a new thing? I mean some anons here say MCD was a good Kingpin besides his race, and the Kingpin was a big asshole in DD. I hear similar things in regards to Prof Strange on Gotham. They aren't shying away from one of the Shockers and they've got the Prowler apparently. If MBJ was written/acted in a way that was drastically different specifically because of his race and it would "offend" people otherwise, you'd have a point. idk I didn't see fan4stic

Fuck, change the race of the characters if you want, I don't give a fuck. But what's the excuse to remove every relevant character trait and just leaving the name?

That's just fucking retarded

>>93551565
>Black girls and women are supposed to be hard-working, pensive with the typical "lioness" attitude.

I assure that Zendaya's MJ in no way has a lioness attitude.

>>93551804
This. This is what has me pissed.

>>93551667
Anon,>>93551526
is no conspiracy. It's ridiculously transparent. That's the only way you simultaneously get flash to be black and a dork.

>>93551667
>conspiracies
word of writer do not agree with you >>93551092

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...what if BleedingCool wrote that article only because they believed the rumour? Not because it's realistic, but because they're still the only official source mentioning the fact

>>93551667
>bants are bants
>wah wah weave pwease this is /co/mblr

blow your brains out summer fag. I'm not going anywhere.

goes for you to faggots.
>>93551684
>>93551751

>>93551866
That's not what i meant

>>93551897
>blow your brains out summer fag

Read a comic, racist.

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>>93551804
>>93551751
BONG is the sound Aunt May makes when she dies.

>>93551925
I drop enough money on comics weekly to not really give a fuck by your autistic toddler level of banter faggot.

Keep trade-waiting and shitting up story times.

>>93551893
Well to be fair, I think Rich mixed up the two comic writers named Coates recently. The thread about black Coates really slowed down after an anon posted white Coates twitter

>>93479283

maybe idk

>>93550122
>Fuck off with your /pol/ shit and watch the movie.
You Disney shills are getting lazy. Do you really think this is going to work? What's next, "buy the fucking ticket, goy!"

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>>93551967
>Watch=pay

>>93551967
Fine, pirate it, wait until it is free. I don't care, try having a open mind.

>>93551963
>your autistic toddler level of banter faggot.

Ironic.

>>93550075

Also

She shouldn't be black

>>93550367

That's the vibe I'm getting too. She looks unwashed. I imagine she'd have a good funk going on from that pic.

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>>93550005
The character is white. Making her black serves absolutely no purpose than to make some minority feel better about themselves despite the fact that said minority probably won't even watch the movie.

If you want a black character, make a black character. What's that? Nobody gives a shit about them? Huh. Wonder what that's all about?

>>93549877
I'll bite, what was the point of choosing those particular two panels

>>93551985
He thinks if we watch it and enjoy it we might buy merchandise. Why else would anyone care if some anonymous posters watch some stupid movie or not?

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>>93552108
>despite the fact that said minority probably won't even watch the movie.
I thought a decent number of black guys liked spider-man, even before this.

>>93552108
>The character is white. Making her black serves absolutely no purpose than to make some minority feel better about themselves despite the fact that said minority probably won't even watch the movie.
>minority feel better about themselves


Oh boy, A female love interest of spider-man is making me feel better. Get the fuck out of there with that excuse.

She's not attractive at all.

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>>93552150
You can't buy movie tickets with food stamps. But memes aside its pretty graded that the comic industry (at least Marvel and DC) is surviving from decent amount of sales to white collection guys and not the new blood.

>>93552150
Anon, black people don't exist, it's just manipulation from (((them))) to undermine the white race

Boycott this movie, we won't stand for this!

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Drawn pictures are more attractive than real life people. That's /trash/ mentality.

>>93552108
It makes Zendaya feel better for collecting that paycheck.

>>93552184
If they wanted to get some brownie points AND keep comic fans happy they should get an Asian actress instead, too bad sjw thinks Asians are honorary white people.

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>>93552137
I think it's about the blm claim. Which would be weird because last I checked, half of the black guys in the movie with any name recognition are criminals that Spider-man fights/will fight in sequels.

>>93552197
You're overlooking the black theater meme. An experience filled with people being loud and yelling things at the screen.

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>>93551507
>>93552226
wat

>>93549877
What bothers me is that shes ugly as sin, they could've at least gotten a good looking brownie.

>>93552226
>too bad sjw thinks Asians are honorary white people.

Unless it acts as a vehicle for SJWs to think they're on some moral higher ground (see: Iron Fist and Ghost In The Shell).

>>93552278
She actually does look good. They made her look homely on purpose.

Why add the whole "MJ" thing? Why couldn't they just make her a whole other character without forcing the whole "oh btw she's actually this universe MJ"? And what the hell is the point of Peter's fat cholo friend and him knowing about peter being spiderman? Peter keeping the secret was one of the most important parts of his character and now "lol random friend is now part of the plot cuz he knows his secret".
This shit show of a movie gets worse and worse as you look at it.

>>93552255
Did you just wake up from a coma or something? Where the fuck have you been since March?

>>93552316
They wanted to use Ganke but without calling him Ganke because fuck Bendis. Bendis didn't approve of course.

>>93552319
I referring one post to another, but I fucked up obviously
What I meant to say was>>93552297

>>93552330
>people caring about what Bendis thinks

>>93552316
Actually, There is few people that know his secret. Like his doctor, dying little girl, i think there is...more.

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>>93550125

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>>93552316
>and him knowing about peter being spiderman?

Personally, I don't have an issue with Peter having one or two friends knowing his secret identity. Obviously its not the same character, but I liked how that played out in USM, when Pete told MJ about his secret identity.

much ado about nothing

>>93552359

They care because they'd probably have to pay him royalties otherwise.

>>93552379
The whole point is that Peter tries his hardest to keep the secret. And them adding this "his best friend knows his secret and will inevitably be 'important' to the plot" is shit. There's no point to it other than adding in more "humor" or "nakama strength" with a pointless character.

>>93552417
>that "artwork"

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>>93550125
This guy gets it, I hated the previous MJ's, didn't even care for the other bitch either times.

I'm going ot give this a chance since I'm not a /pol/tard nor am I a screaming idiot who wants them to do the same boring shit that has ruined a character. But there is only one hot red head who could play MJ right now, but she is way to old.

>>93552379
You can tell how little people read Spiderman books before the last 10 years.

nearly everyone knows he is Peter Parker, half his rouges gallery knows and some how forgets. He is like Batman, like shit there is a medium sized Rolodex full of people who know his "secret identity"

>>93552472
No, its supposed to be similar to when MJ learned about his identity in USM.

>>93552503

>talking shit about Bagley

>>93552503
Badley freak-show ruined USM for me.

>>93552560
Not really, Ned finds out by mistake. I've read a review that said their relationship is interesting because they have to learn together that being Spiderman/his friend isn't all about coolness and glory

>>93552575
To be fair, the penciles on that page aren't especially great. That's no the point, though.

I posted that page to show that there are some versions of Peter Parker that share his secret identity with a friend.

>>93549877
I don't care. It's going to have Sony's shit-stained fingers all over it.

I'm waiting for Venom and Black Cat for the real laughs.

>>93552575
Bagley is a bad/mediocre artist who's elevated by his colorist. Bagley books always have great colors.

>>93552546
>He is like Batman

Not good example, Because a-lot of heroes and family and co-workers knows he is batman.

It isn't bad for peter parker having a best friend that knows his identity. It feels kind of refreshing.

>>93551116
Gamora and Drax are non-human aliens that have nothing to do with human culture. And let's not pretend that people, mainly Americans, would start bitching endlessly if a figure from any non-white folklore or religion would get turned white, just like what happened during the making of that movie about Egyptian gods.

>>93552644
it was a perfect example considering that was the exact point he was making.

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>>93552596
>because they have to learn together that being Spiderman/his friend isn't all about coolness and glory

Much like how MJ thought it was cool that she was dating Spider-Man in USM, right? And then quickly realized how dangerous that was and how it impacted her life.

>>93552672

Oops, I didn't read your post.

>>93552644
>>93552560
Peter, as a character, has never wanted that. "The more people who know, the more they are in danger." That was his logic and he lived by it. MJ was the only one he told himself because love does weird things to the thinking process.

>>93552731
Uh, didn't know that. I have a huge book that contains all USM stories up until the defeat of Kingpin and the reveal to MJ, but i have a gap about what comes after except a few selected stories and started reading regularly again only during the Triskellion saga (or what it's called), basically a few months before ge died

>>93552783
>Peter, as a character, has never wanted that.

See: >>93552417 and >>93552731

>>93552795
Just read the shit online. Those early stories are some of the best USM stuff.

>>93552798
I'm not talking about the ultimate universe.

>>93552834
You know that Homecoming is drawing a lot of its inspiration from Ultimate Spider-Man, right? Tom Holland even flat out said in a promo video that USM is the closest comic to what they're doing in the movie.

>>93552226
She also has exactly no screen presence.

>>93552226
What would an Asian solve?

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>>93553394

>>93553394
>>93553419
Millennial Spider-man will never be accepted here.

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>>93553394
>Those emojis
Almost looks like an edit.

>>93553454
Good. It's fucking stupid.

>>93553394
Spider-Man 2 will never be topped

>>93550005
>Her whiteness doesn't effect her character.

Cool, so we can turn Blade and Black Panther white then? I mean, since their blackness doesn't effect their character.

>>93550005
>Literally called Red by Logan and Stark
>Called freckles by other characters
>Descendant of Red Sonja
>"Her skin color and hair color matters not"

>>93556490

I get what you're trying to say but Black Panther is a terrible example

>Make a character behave like Gloria, calle her Liz Allen
>Make a character behave like Randy Robertson, call him Flash
>Make a character behave like Ganke, call him Ned Leeds
Why? srly, why not call them like the people they're supposed to be. Isn't it racist to change the name of characters of color from the comics to white people?

>>93556569
Why? he could be played by a white boer, and be from South Africa. You can make him Pacific Islander and Wakanda be placed in Oceania or whatever. His skin color matters not if we follow the same logic.

>>93556490
Blade, yes.

Black Panther, no.

>>93550172
2DEEP4YOU!!!!!!!

>>93556637

Nah this is stupid, I hate this lazy pandering race swap bullshit like everybody else but for a white Black Panther to make sense you'd have to change basically everything about him. Leave Black Panther black and leave white characters white, simple as that

>>93556603
Maybe it's Marvel Studios trying to fuck with Marvel Entertainment's attempts at synergy?

>>93550415
i'm not even an ironfag and that pissed me off.

>>93550869
I mean, after you've erased the ethnic identity of a character and gotten away with it, what reason have you to stop?

At this point, they're winning, so not keep erasing people?

>>93551116
I care about Valkyrie as a character. I was looking forwards to her in the movie.

And what do I get? No costume (she's a stronk woman, she were dah pants!!!!), no ethnicity (white ain't right!!!!!), and from the looks of it, a completely different backstory and personality.

Gamora and Drax are aliens, and at least the movies went so far as to at least try and make them look something like the characters, and give them most of their original backstories. Completely different.

>>93550172
DIVERSITY!!!

mj = michelle jameson ... spoilers !

>>93550221
How's that when she's not in a similar role to the comic book character? Michelle is not a love interest for Peter so she's not an MJ stand-in.

>>93549877
Face it, babe, you hit the ugly tree all the way down.

>>93551232
I wish SOMEONE in charge of these movies could hear that the problem isn't the race, it's turning the characters into the opposites of what they originally were

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>>93549877
WHO THE FUCK CARES.

She played the part well, she's barely in it, MJ was never anything than a cardboard fantasy for peter anyway, she nor flash where never real characters in any of the movies, flash just shows up, punches peter, peter punches back, so uncle B can say "uh great power blah blah".
MJ is just a weak ass male nerd wish fulfilment fantasy "muh dream girl next store" unrealistic bullshit. Atleast in this movie they feel like fleshed out real human beings DESPITE having less screen time than usual.
Are they good actors? Yes.
Is it a good movie? Yes.
That's all that fucking actually matters.
Why the fuck do you people nit-pick the smallest insignificant fucking things? |
In three months you won't even care.

>>93551475
No, he was the dude from Grand Budapest Hotel. But yeah, I don't get the thought process here, I would've thought they'd try to bulk him up for the role.

>>93557226
This sounds like damage control.

>>93556637
I like this idea. Let's make it happen.

>>93557294
>Damage control

According to parts of /co/ because of this change or the other there hasn't been a single good Spider-Man movie in history, from the lack of quips to the personality of MJ, Peter and whatnot. Ignoring such a clueless and purposefully contrarian line of thinking is reasonable logic, not damage control

>>93556691
Why not Black Panther?

It's not like race is important to the character.

>>93556759
you mean like they're doing to MJ and Valkyrie?

>>93557294
Why would someone, anyone, that works for a billion dollar plus movie franchise give 2 shits about our outdated anime porn powered image board? They're all on reddit.

>>93557226
Good Goy, 0.002 cents has been added to your account.

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>>93549877
CHANGING HER RACE DOESN'T MATTER

Maybe changing her name matters a bit.

But what really matters is her character. Mary Jane was never introduced as Peter's love interest, only a possible one. She loved to tease, and Peter saw her as above her, on some level.

The movie isn't out yet, but she looks like a neat character from the trailers.

That's what I think. They're trying something different, let's see if it fucks up. I mean, at least if you guys go in expecting a disaster, and get something just okay, you'll be pleasantly surprised.|

pic related, its /co/ responding to me

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I wasn't gonna see homecoming but now with these polfags I wanna see it just to spite you faggots. And support a sequel with this MJ.

Btw she's not black, she's delicious hazel-brownish.

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Raimi's MJ>Homecoming MJ

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>>93557616
This is just what the DCEU Defense Force and Snyder Contrarians have been reduced to now that this movie is proving itself to be a solid gem. All the lies and misinformation they've been peddling for the last few months are now officially debunked so all they have left is the superficial race card and they are trying their damnedest to drive it home as something that matters.

>>93558194
To be fair Spiderman always attracts the biggest amount of autism, not even Superman causes this much fights and shitposting about what the character is "supposed" to be about and how the adaptations should be handled

There's people on /co/ that would call me a casual because i just spelled his name without the - in the middle, for crying out loud

>>93550167
>Look, I know that they're only like the comic character in name only, but it's not the comics! So what if she shares none of the personality traits of MJ at all and can't realistically fill a the role she always has, but its original! It's either this or EXACTLY like the comics!
Christ you're stupid.

friendly reminder not to bump the thread

>>93557948
It's almost as bad

>>93559313
It is?

>>93561047
Maybe bad's not the right word but it's definitely not faithful

/co/mblr sure is strong today

>>93553394
Please tell this is all just the marketing. I can't stand to watch 2h of millennial shit like this.

>>93558194
Because Spidey is the go to self insert hero. Everyone wants Peter to behave the way they would, because he's seen as an extension of them.

Alot of these guys are also getting older, so seeing teeny bopper Petey is offputting because there's little room to self insert. That's probably why Tobey is so popular. He's the Spider-man most devoid of a personality that autists can fill in the blanks.

>>93550005
>Who cares if she is black?

>Her whiteness doesn't effect her character.
she's literally always been a 10/10 redhead. this is just diversity for its own sake

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>>93561885
You're acting like Bendis made this movie.

>>93563079

You know, I almost wish he had.

>>93549877

ALTERNATE REALITY. MCU is not canon to the Marvel Comics.

Rest easy knowing Captain Hydramerica will never be in the MCU.

>>93563111
Bruh, don't even joke about that shit.

>>93549877
What does Marvel have against redheads?

>>93552514
Who?

will only be mcu for two movies, then we're free

>>93565868
After that they should do Crisis on Infinite Spideys, with Maguire-Spidey, Garfield-Spidey and Holland-Spidey all teaming up.

>>93549981
The other way around. It's them trying to have their cake and eat it too, except they threw the cake.

>>93550094
I'd like to take this moment to point out that Spidey's initials are peepee.

>>93550075
Because she's not fucking mj
She's not Mary Jane mj
She's Michelle
She's a different fucking character how is it that hard to fucking understand

>>93561885
How is it so hard to understand this is not Mary Jane
Yes its MJ technically
She's not Mary Jane

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>>93550159
He almost was Spider-Man though. He tried to buy Marvel so he could play Spider-Man in a Spider-man movie.

Also little known fact: Michael Jackson is still alive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3iM1CRuVNU

>>93556545
Most of those pointless and doesn't effect her character. Hell, Peter having a big tight butt is more important than that,