>when edgelords criticize batman's no-kill policy

File: gordon.jpg (29KB, 796x595px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 796x595px

>when moralfags criticize batman's no-rape policy

File: not from a Jedi.jpg (72KB, 880x880px) Image search: [Google]

72KB, 880x880px

>>93542991
Comic writers are shut ins and not goof moral judges.

Were the world left to them, no hard decisions could be made when they needed to be made, and much more people than they intended would find premature death and extensive suffering.

We're done here

File: 1488482051539.jpg (15KB, 211x203px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 211x203px

>when Batman jumps in front of a bullet to save the Joker

>>93543120
Still not as magnifique as Batman shooting Jason Todd to save The Joker.

File: 1463037482681.png (117KB, 333x250px) Image search: [Google]

117KB, 333x250px

THERE HE IS

RAPE HIM

>When people fail to realize a heroe's moral code can be compelling or lead to interesting stories, without being 100% "correct"

>>93542991
*shoots darkseid*

>>93542991
But that's wrong you fucking retard. Zsasz and Joker NEED to die.

>>93543222
Darkseid had it coming for sitting on Bruce's couch

>>93543252
What does killing them solve that locking them up doesn't?
>they'll escape
not batman's fault, that's writer fiat.

>>93542991
Most people irl aren't killers. They just want others killing for them.

>>93543292
Darkseid cannot help but sit. It's not something he chooses.
>>93543309
So you acknowledge that they will always escape and kill more people and that that is okay because reasons. Fine, Bruce.

>>93543252
But if you kill the Joker, he'll feel kinda smig about it for like 15 seconds.

>>93543339
Yeah, it's better to see hundreds more people dead. Can't let the Joker win! Sorry civilians!

>>93543335
well by that logic, killing them won't solve anything because they'll just come back to life since they're popular characters.

Taking away comic-book logic like that, locking them up is fine.

>>93543363
If they come back, you kill them again. And you keep doing it until fans get sick of them coming back and then they die for realzies.

File: donut hole size.jpg (70KB, 640x750px) Image search: [Google]

70KB, 640x750px

>>93543252
>>93543252
>>93543358

a notorious terrorist constantly escaping prison is more retarded than a vigilante not killing him. getting angry over batman not killing the joker but being fine with him constantly escaping prison is dumb.

File: 09-trolley.w710.h473.jpg (27KB, 645x429px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 645x429px

>>93542991
but if you don't kill the joker hes just going to break out again and blow up a skyscraper or something

batman's the kind of guy who wouldn't pull this lever

>>93543358
>>93543339
The relationship between Batman and his Joker senpai is one of those things you literally cannot talk about if you want the comics to work. The entire thing is purely masturbatory for Bruce.
>>I can't kill Joker because I can't cross that line. By not killing Joker I'M proving how strong MY will is. It doesn't matter how many people he kills, I won't kill him because I'M that strong. ME ME ME ME!

File: img_5229.png (1MB, 2208x1242px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2208x1242px

I KILLED PEOPLE!

AND I LIKED IT!

IT FELT GOOD!

It is literally not Batman's job to kill Joker.

If he doesn't want to kill, that's his prerogative

Gotham should learn to stand on its own two feet

>>93543335
You act like he hasn't come back from the dead. You act like he hasn't been doing that since 1940.

>>93543401
Nigger that's what Batman used to do. It didn't work.

Back when Batman was running around icing motherfuckers, he still couldn't keep the fucking Joker dead.

File: b95uzuC1ru3fl1.gif (518KB, 500x371px) Image search: [Google]

518KB, 500x371px

>When comic writers decided to codify behavior that was originally forced by a hostile market as being some sort of deeply held philosophical belief that is then adhered to beyond any level of the reason in spite of writers showing no restraint in gruesomely and drastically raising the level of mayhem and violence in material about a character who has spent the majority of his existence being marketed towards children

>>93542991
What exactly is Batman scared of if he kills the Joker? That he will break the law? That he will start killing all the other villains and he wont be able to stop?

If that's the case, why not kill the Joker and then give yourself in to the authorities for them to judge you or lock you down?

There are plenty of Bat-people out there, so Gotham wouldn't really suffer.

Batman is just a fucking hypocrite

>>93543620
t. Joker

Batman is just as guilty as the criminals who commit murder, because he willingly allows them to continue killing.

>>93543409
of course you shouldn't pull the lever. who are you to judge how much each life is worth?

Batman should just let the Joker commit a crime in a death penalty state and then capture him in that state.

It's technically outside of Gotham jurisdiction and Batman's no-kill rule is more because he wants to allow the justice system to run its course, so the crime could be tried in that state.

Not like Gordon would want to make a fuss about it either since he probably wants Joker dead more than anyone. or raped.

>>93543047
kek

>>93543755
Is it still canon that Joker FDR'd Barbara? Considering his personality, he doesn't bring it up nearly as often as you'd expect.

>>93543409
No, he wouldn't, he's Batman. You know damn well he would pluck out the lever and throw it through the window of the train car, disrupting its momentum enough to derail it, saving all six damsels

>>93543339
How has he not been put on death row?

Even if he is insane he's killed to many people for the insanity defense to work.

File: Well then.jpg (50KB, 159x578px) Image search: [Google]

50KB, 159x578px

>>93543601

>>93543335
They only escape and kill more people because they're written that way. What if the Joker escapes but only started to pull prank-themed heists and never letting one die again? The problem's not the Joker but the edgelords who eat his psychopath persona up. And want Batman to kill him. And will miss him when he's gone and make writers bring him back to life to kill again, be killed again, and so on.
At that point the whole thing's just ridiculous.

>>93543601
>>When comic writers decided to codify behavior that was originally forced by a hostile market

This is false, but a common misconception. Batman's "no-kill" policy actually first appears in 1940's Batman #4, less than year after Batman's debut, and is adhered to in basically 99.999999% of all Batman stories since then. It wasn't a product of a "hostile marketplace"; you're thinking of the moral panic of the 50s that would lead to the Comics Code, but the no-kill rule arose in the heart of the Golden Age.

Chris Sims has an excellent article on the history of Batman's no-kill rule:

http://comicsalliance.com/batman-kills/

>>93543601
>No-kill rule
That's what makes Batman 'good' and not just a vigilante. Kids lock onto that notion of good, and everyone I believe quietly likes the idea of their hero nursing qualities of potential reform/ forgiveness. Even if the villains have been doing their schtick as vehemently as Bats, that's the yin/gang of Gotham City.

The Batman should not kill. Even inadvertently. If he does, its to foes he knows can survive. This edgelord Frank Miller/Goyer writing of Batman manslaughtering and neglecting to save his film villains needs to end.

Fucking comics. Not all of it needs to make 100% logical sense, that's what helps make it fantastical.

Batman kills any extreme criminal in Gotham. Bat family gets real jobs and starts up Facebook pages. Damian starts shopping at Build-A-Bear. Arkham Facilities put supercriminals' shit up on Ebay.

Bruce marries, invests in his company, plays with Ace every day, and Alfred is finally in such a senior state that Bruce passes the time by caring for him.

Duke is head of the Black Lives Matter/Black Culture Centre in Gotham.

Dick is a gigolo.

Like, how fucking boring? How fucking not Batman? Where do you go if you let Bats kill? Psycho town? What's the finish line for that?
MAN OBSESSED WITH BAT KILLS ALL EVIL IN GOTHAM, RETURNS TO NORMAL LIFE

Does someone like Bruce Wayne deserve a normal life, ever?

No. He's marked by flaws, ego complexes, power tripping, an addictive need to know & control, and fury. We know he's imbalanced, but if he starts killing his co-operation with Gordon and the whole 'good guy' dynamic of the Batman is summarily trashed. Supes would actually incapacitate him, instead of nuancedly holding back. He wouldn't plausibly be allowed in the Justice League.

Fuck, even Thomas Wayne wasn't approached by fucking shit until World War 3 was about to end everything. 'Cause he was killing. He was alone. He was an alocholic. Killing makes the characer feel hollow.

>>93543601
Yeah, I think the problem isn't Batman's no-kill code but how they made every villain a fucking mass murderer or serial killer to a degree that is hard to sustain the no-kill rule.

>>93543309
Tell he to focus more on plot than on his car.

>>93544274
>This edgelord Frank Miller

I don't think Miller ever did that, even in TDKR.

It's not about deserving, Batman
It's about neutralising a live deadly danger to innocents by the most surefire and efficient way possible
It's about priorities

>>93543309
Fucking knew that Fiat was working for the Joker, how else do they build weird looking cars.

>>93542991
I never really understood the criticism of Batman's no killing rule.

Him being a vigilante is toeing the line as it is.

The responsibility of the Joker being alive is on the Gotham justice system

File: gordon4.jpg (185KB, 547x669px) Image search: [Google]

185KB, 547x669px

>>93544272
ehhhh it was still more about Batman being the guy who was being marketed at kids and hanging around with a little reader insert than it was about some kind grand demonstration of ethical treatment of criminals

>>93544274
>Where do you go if you let Bats kill? Psycho town? What's the finish line for that?
Punisher has been killing for decades and hasn't lost his marbles yet. Killing doesn't lead to an end to crime either. There are always more evil men, always more stories to tell. Frank is proof of that. Where is your defense now?

>>93544523
>Punisher has been killing for decades and hasn't lost his marbles yet.

The entire thesis of Ennis's Punisher work, and echoed by many others, is that Punisher kills BECAUSE he's "lost his marbles".

>>93544523
Dude Frank is completely bonkers. What are you on about?

>>93544274
>This edgelord Frank Miller
Miller always goes out of his way to show that Batman doesn't kill people. Lines like the "Rubber bullets. Honest" or when he made Batman FREAK THE FUCK OUT when Robin almost killed Green Lantern in All-Star.

Hell, in Year One Batman risks his life in his first night out to save a criminal he inadvertedly pushed off a fire escape and blatantly says in his internal monologue "I'm no killer".

>>93544523
Just because the Punisher doesn't kill innocent people doesn't mean he's not crazy

File: vlcsnap-2017-05-20-03h16m42s340.jpg (253KB, 1920x1090px) Image search: [Google]

253KB, 1920x1090px

>letting criminal scum live

>>93544523
Punisher only kills no-names. The Kingpin's still ticking, Frank, you fucking failure.

Don't have to kill Joker. Justice Lord Supes had the best idea: lobotomy.

>>93544458
Sometimes it's taken to ludicrous extremes
Like Injustice, where he thought it monstrous for Superman to kill an army of invading demons

>>93544595
You'll be begging for a new Joker story withing the year after it happens.

>>93544458
>beat people to a pulp at night
>causing permanent brain damage with batarangs to the skull.
>but i can't kill the Joker, he can be reformed

>>93544502
I have a inkling you didn't even give the article a glance. Just can't admit you were wrong, innit?

>>93544629
Always thought it unlikely that with all the thugs he's smashed in the face or allowed to fall to the hard ground, that there'd be no cases of him killing someone unintentionally
Just knocking someone out is not safe, forcing someone into unconsciousness means bad things can happen

>>93544384

All the buzz I read about Holy Terror made me want to wretch. Guy writes angry people doing tactical/thuggy things (usually involving the hero killing/crippling remorselessly) in grim-edge situations and people think he wrote Batman better than Dini or O'Neil

Goyer obviously loves that take, Nolan and Snyder too

Boils my ass, man

Scott Snyder, Greg Rucka, Denny O'Neil, Paul Dini, and Steve Englehart are the fellows that've truly shaped Gotham City and have done outstanding work on Gotham's main hero / villain.

Why the screen teams keep putting up a Batman that kills/doesn't care is beyond me

It's like BBC Sherlock being an unapologetically rude asshole, instead of coyly poking at other's intelligence in fun like almost any ither intrepretation.

Guess the popular vote is to fundamentally change traits in these characters for the sake of 'natural progression', but.. that doesn't really make it the same character any more, to me.

>>93544541
>>93544546
>>93544570

Frank isnt *crazy*, he's an obsessive asshole but at the very least he can distinguish friends from enemies

>>93544618
That's a stupid thing to say, pretty much all of his villains and secondary characters need way more exposure than just Bats and Joker. What about Pyg?

>>93542991
I like to think NOT killing is the more edgelord policy.

Think about it: Brucie is so brainfucked from seeing his parents killed that ANY death is flashback fuel for him.
If he were to see Joker get what's coming to him it would have the same emotional impact as watching his mommy or daddy die all over again, Batman's just that broken. Death has become an absolute evil in his mind.
That's the source of all his extreme superhuman willpower, he's so insane that he can't tolerate doing nothing again while anyone else dies a preventable death.

That's more edgelord than just opting for the easy answer.

File: 1473409550011.jpg (102KB, 1072x394px) Image search: [Google]

102KB, 1072x394px

>>93544707
Oh like how he straight up killed people trying to help him during Civil War? Frank is psychotic, you'd have to pull of an immense amount of mental gymnastics to say othwrwise.

>>93544707
No hes fucking crazy. Even in the stories that sort of glorify him hes portrayed as a broken soldier who lost his family and takes gratification from punishing those like the ones who did the deed.

>>93544714
>What about Pyg?
What about Pyg?
No, seriously. Who gives a shit.
And in any case, it's a non-argument because Batman would kill all his villains, not just the Joker. Eventually you run out, need to come up with new ones and they're always worse. I mean, if they came up with Pyg now, imagine when they're scaping the bottom of the barrel.

>>93544739
Thats sum sexy headcanon anon

File: Tfw ten steps ahead.jpg (62KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 1280x720px

>>93543478
maybe if Batman was little more "ten steps ahead" we wouldn't have this Joker problem.

File: consider it.png (98KB, 1042x804px) Image search: [Google]

98KB, 1042x804px

>>93543409

>>93543512
>someone tries to kill the Joker
>Batman saves him
>Joker kill more people
defend this.

>>93544859
When did moral dilemmas become a meme, anyway?

File: batman 02.jpg (12KB, 146x185px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 146x185px

>>93544859

>>93543512
>Gotham should learn to stand on its own two feet

then why does Batman exist?

File: Batman - The Killing Joke 38.jpg (493KB, 900x1411px) Image search: [Google]

493KB, 900x1411px

>>93543620
then so is Jim Gordon

>>93544895
That's just bad writing in a story that can be ignored. Batman is a corporate-owned character and any number of assholes have written him.

This is only what I do personally, but I like to think that nothing is canon until it turns out to be a truly good Batman story that stays in people's minds, while everything else simply didn't stick and should be forgotten. Most of those stories with Batman saving the Joker fall into that, while Batman actively trying to kill the Joker at the end of A Death in the Family is a classic.

>>93543755
Joker's insane and supposedly cannot be held responsible for his crimes. But it goes beyond the US law. The Spectre couldn't kill him which basically means the Joker is officially pardoned by the Abrahamic god.

>>93544895
It's cool, those people were just unthinking soulless facsimile created by Manhattan as part of a long-term project to undermine public faith in superheroes.

File: IMG_1289.jpg (205KB, 752x719px) Image search: [Google]

205KB, 752x719px

>>93544541
>>93544546
>>93544570
>>93544747
>>93544799
Who's more crazy: a guy capping killers and rapists because they deserve it, or a guy who dresses up in a bat fursuit who lets killers and rapists go scott free AND EVEN SOMETIMES PROTECTS THEM FROM HARM?

What if, just bear with me, what if Batman is merely a person and his own sense of justice derives from personal experiences fucking him up and his own subjective sense of morality which he follows very stubbornly despite it being obvious it isn't the optimum course of action? You know like a human being ... Nah too dumb, right.

>>93544926
When every last person on the interwebs finally became a full-on sociopath.

( so ... I think last Tuesday ... ? )

File: 1433431464963.gif (333KB, 289x149px) Image search: [Google]

333KB, 289x149px

>>93545031
We're not talking about who's MORE crazy, you dipshit. We're arguing whether or not Punisher is crazy, which he objectively is. You even admitted that by trying to move the goalposts.

>>93545031
Considering Batman's done a lot more good to his world than Frank to his, I'd say Frank's crazier.

>>93542991
then how come everybody dies?

>>93545096
"Goalposts" nothing. I'm just moving the conversation forward. Let's say Punisher is crazy. In that case, who is MORE crazy? It's a simple question you seem hesitant to answer.

>>93545118
Because he only said that no one deserves to be murdered not that everybody should live forever, you fucking retard.

>>93544859
>kill Jones
>save four men
>save a bridge bomber
>kill 27 orphans
>kill a tyrant
>kill G.E.M. Anscombe
>kill the creator of the pop-top can
>cause an unjust war free of war crimes

>kill "Leftie"
>kill 10 individuals in need of hearts
>save four men
>save a bridge bomber
>save 27 orphans
>save a tyrant
>save G.E.M. Anscombe
>save the creator of the pop-top can
>save three other men
>save the creator of the brain
>save the scenario author
>save 18 individuals in need of kidneys
>save the curer of cancer
>save Hitler
>cause a just war fraught with war crimes

The Cartesian demon is a non-factor, since if the brain truly is being deceived then the choice is irrelevant; it could be anything at all. Killing "Leftie" is a tempting choice, as saving the curer of cancer and the individual that can keep brains alive in vats would mean technological advancements unheard of. However, these technologies are perhaps so advanced and sudden that it would cause unforeseen consequences that could lead to individuals being kept in hell-like simulations indefinitely. And that it would lead to further brains to make decisions to reinforce choice of scientific advancement over all others in spite of morality would only make the situation all that much worse. As is such, killing Jones is the only ethical option.

File: 1498269163796.jpg (135KB, 929x1148px) Image search: [Google]

135KB, 929x1148px

>when the batman/elmer fudd crossover was one of the best single issues to come out in 2017

>>93542991
This always felt like bullshit to me and Im a moralfag usually. I think easily 1 out of 10 people dont deserve the life they've been given. There are a ton of people on the planet who only negatively effect others and only do thing that benefit themselves. But taking that extra step and actually executing them is over the line? I think it'd be more realistic/believable if Batman felt "No one has good enough judgment that they have the right to decide whether an other's life has value or not, not even me." Everyone has lapses in judgment, even Batman. Especially Batman.

>>93544996
What story is this

File: consider it.png (84KB, 667x582px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 667x582px

>>93543409
>>93544859
>>93545162

>>93544996

I'd be willing to bet that even in DC, Gotham's bullshit insistence to observe the insanity plea regardless of crime only stretches so far.

Technically with how many people have died at the Joker's hands the feds should have swooped in by now with orders to kill on sight, and filed all sorts of injunctions to prevent Joker from going to Arkham.

Also requesting source on the time Spectre tried to kill the Joker, as an admitted casual.

File: 1449185148277.jpg (39KB, 389x491px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 389x491px

Let's be reasonable here, Batman hanging onto his "no kill" rule despite mountains of temptations twisting it into almost an immediate priority that for some reason he alone should be burdened with is not the worst thing about this. The Joker shouldn't be an omnicidal maniac to begin with if he's supposed to be the Dark Knight's biggest reoccurring antagonist. And if that couldn't change for the sake of matching Bat God's power creep; he sure as shit shouldn't be caught every time, and escape EVERY TIME, and wind up making Batman - along with virtually every cop, criminal, and civilian who's ever crossed his path at least somewhat culpable for his next triple digit body count if they don't at least attempt to do something about him.

Has anyone ever seen the movie "M"? Realistically, that should be the perfect template for a "mass murdering" Joker story. Literally fucking nobody in the world could benefit from him his existence, it's a wonder the other Arkhamites haven't put him on a mock trial or something for making life so much harder for the rest of them before Batman or the police could lock onto his trail. The fact that people still work for him, still bants with him in their down time in the Asylum, or even "love" him in Harley's case pretty much confirms all of Gotham to be a distillation of pure, retardedly mindless evil, like the "Columbiner" fandom dialed up to 11 and populating an entire city. The fact that the Joker could be so evil and not only live- but live freer than most men will ever have the opprotunity to, should not only warrant a death sentence for himself, but Gotham itself as well for collectively enabling his horrid existence.

And yet people still blame the only autist left in that whole entire shit city crazy enough to volunteer himself to be their philosophical janitor, cleaning out the gutters and doing it for free, because he won't go as far as to kill due to deep-seated emotional issues tied to murder.

>>93544996
Bullshit. The insanity defense would not hold up in court against a competent lawyer.

>>93543309
Zsasz is boring and stupid and should just be run over with the Batmobile and forgotten like everything else about the 90s.

the question is not why batman dosent kill but why the government dosent execute people like the joker he may be insane but still and there or criminals that are not insane why not execute them like deadshot

>>93543203
>yay he stopped the bad guy
>lets put him in jail so he can escape and we can do it again, over and over and over
c o m p e l l i n g

File: 3254660-1906471048-batma.jpg (110KB, 800x545px) Image search: [Google]

110KB, 800x545px

>>93542991
>when edgelords say batman is their favorite superhero

>>93545379
As opposed to
>yay he killed the bad guy
>now we have to ready a story with some asshole villain not as good, or a new one that is a poor man's version of the dead one

File: Spectre51 21.jpg (281KB, 969x1509px) Image search: [Google]

281KB, 969x1509px

>>93545257
>>93545216

File: 1474313246088.png (36KB, 121x145px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 121x145px

>>93545135
Because it's a bullshit question that has been done to death. Do you honestly think this hasn't been debated countless other times here? The only objective answer is that they're psychotic, anything else comes down to subjective ideals and bias.

>>93545497
I thought Spectre judged actions, not intentions. I any case, this is beyond stupid.

>>93545257
its been implied by stuff like Arkham: Hell on Earth that Gotham's corrupt politicians and crime lords block any attempts to send a supervillain to the chair rather than Arkham because so many of them rely on supervillains to do their dirty work because of how resourceful they are. Usually by the time they start making too many waves and Batman catches up to them, they've accomplished most of what they were busted out of Arkham to accomplish anyway

>>93545497
It's the Punisher "I don't regret any of it" Penance stare all over again.

>>93545497

Thanks for the page, but was hoping to get an issue. Judging from the filename, should be Spectre volume 3 issue 51?

>>93545660

Again, that makes sense for more easily manipulated freaks like, say, Tetch, Crane, or even Nigma, but everyone knows you can't really 'control' Joker. He's as apt to bite the hand that's released him as anyone else.

The Joker is unique even among Gotham's freaks and geeks precisely because he has no rhyme or reason. Only thing you can be sure of is that he will kill, and that he will antagonize Batman.

>>93543163
Man, fuck Batman.

It is most of the time stupid because comic rules, which dictate,

1) it is only possible to kill or even seriously injure someone if you choose specifically to kill that person.
1a) the exception to this rule is if MUH DRAMA demands a woopsie kill at which point anything suddenly becomes a lethal weapon
2) killing is the only bad thing

>>93545660
The 60s Batman series explained once that the Penguin can run for mayor because the Gotham city charter was specifically written to allow supercriminals to run for office. Like most aspects of West's Batman it is the best because it explains why there are so many villains in Gotham, since the whole city is obviously in the pocket of the supercriminal lobby.

batman doesn't have to kill. he can lock people up and the justice system can kill the criminals or not. im sure there is heroes in DC that kill and would take down joker and they are welcome to try but no, none of them do cause writers aren't gonna kill a big draw for comics.

>>93542991
I understand full well exactly why Batman has his one rule.

What vexes me is that the legal system, the GCPD, or even gun-toting civilians don't kill the Joker and some of the other not-really-insane and death-penalty-eligible supervillains.

>>93546061
If Batman is 100% anti-killing, he'll break into Death Row and "rescue" the Joker, which would be an interesting storyline.

File: advanced moral philosophy.jpg (390KB, 730x800px) Image search: [Google]

390KB, 730x800px

>>93544859

File: 1348266485655.png (94KB, 272x359px) Image search: [Google]

94KB, 272x359px

>>93543120
>when batman ensures the deaths of dozens upon dozens of civilians by actively going out of his way to save the joker

>>93543047
>>93543178
OUT! OUT! WHO LET YOU IN?!

Batman wants to sand Gotham a message.
Take up your own hands to make this city right.
Yeah this means he has to break some laws, many laws, but he is still an example for the people.
Had he take up on killing, the citizens of Gotham would do the same in no time and the city went full chaotic anarchy

File: cesar-romero-batman-.jpg (222KB, 658x860px) Image search: [Google]

222KB, 658x860px

>>93542991
So if Gotham was in Texas, Batman wouldn't even let the police arrest the Joker? Because there's no way he wouldn't get the death penalty once tried and convicted.

>>93543047
jej

>>93544994
>This is only what I do personally, but I like to think that nothing is canon until it turns out to be a truly good Batman story that stays in people's minds, while everything else simply didn't stick and should be forgotten. Most of those stories with Batman saving the Joker fall into that, while Batman actively trying to kill the Joker at the end of A Death in the Family is a classic.
This. Nobody is going to remember faggy shit like Europa in a few years.

>>93545298
>he sure as shit shouldn't be caught every time, and escape EVERY TIME
But he doesn't. He escaped once recently, at the beginning of the nu52, and was then on the loose, disappearing at the end of his stories, until Rebirth when he was caught only to prove a point by having the second Joker strike.

Since A Death in The Family, there have been lots of stories where Joker meets ambiguous death, they never find a body, and then he returns a while later. That happens just as, if not more often than the old Batman-drops-him-off-at-Arkham. The problem is, Joker is the quintessential madman of Batman's rogues gallery, so every hack who shows Arkham Asylum even for just a page has to throw him in there.

File: laughing gertrude.png (204KB, 240x354px) Image search: [Google]

204KB, 240x354px

>>93543047
Every fucking time

>>93546727
They don't executive mentally insane people to the best of my knowledge

>>93547409
execute*

>>93544947
>We have to show him that our way works

It doesn't? The entire point of batman is that the police don't work in gotham. And batman's not doing things by the book, he's breaking the law right now.

>>93547457
Are you really going to question a crazy hobo's logic?

>>93544947
gordon looks like donald sutherland in this page

>>93547409
Joker isn't the kind of crazy that would prevent him from being executed.

He's fucked up in the head, but he knows damn well what he's doing whenever he kills people.

>>93545298
I read that entire post in Mark Hamill's Joker voice.

>>93545573
The Spectre is the biggest douche in the DC universe to be fair.

>>93546061
Batman can take down the Darkseid and the Justice League.

The Joker can pose a serious threat to Batman.

Do you really think a beat cop or gun-totting American can beat Darkseid or the Justice League? If your answer is no then how can they take the Joker?

>>93542991

Batman's no-kill policy isn't too logical. This is not me being an edglord, but I'm just saying the facts.

I mean, seriously, there are cases in the real world where the only way to stop bad guys is to kill them. Most people don't have efficient ways of stopping people without killing them. And it's justified too out of self-defense.

It's not that the Joker deserves to die. It's just that it's reasonable to kill him out of your own safety. Batman knows that the Joker goes after him anyway. Everybody does. The police wouldn't care anyway if he died. I legit think that realistically, Joker could be straight up tortured and killed with plenty of evidence to prove it, and the police would gladly just "fail" at finding the killer and call it a cold case.

There's a reason why in most alternate universe stories that people are orgasmically happy about a dead Joker.

>>93545415
More like
>now we have to give the Joker the power to come back from the dead

At this point I want them to do it just so faggots will have a new revolving door to complain about besides Arkham.

Tbh the biggest problem with Batman is that he goes his way to save Joker from situations that could kill him.

File: GREATSNYDEROMGZISEEITNOW.jpg (76KB, 741x452px) Image search: [Google]

76KB, 741x452px

>>93548079
He's a man who dresses up like a Bat.
Logic isn't supposed to fit into it.
He's not trying to eliminate all Evil or end all Crime; he's endlessly replaying that night in Crime Alley and creating a better result, where no one has to die.

>>93543047
Would he rape in self defense?

>>93544274
>no kill rule makes batman "good"
>but superman being the personifaction of a boy scout who follows truth, justice, and the american way is boring

>>93546090
Except he isn't anti-killing. He's more than fine if a criminal is being rightfully executed by a jury, anything else is bad writing. There was a story like that, but he helped the Joker because he was framed, not because he wanted him to live no matter what.

>>93549125
The only people bored by Nice Superman are autistic man-children. And I use the term "people" here very loosely.

>people who point to the times Batman's used guns in stories to show that he doesn't actually have a no gun policy and fail to see those are supposed to historic breaking points/important moments for the character and that it's a lazy way to add tension

File: 3f2.jpg (161KB, 341x354px) Image search: [Google]

161KB, 341x354px

>>93548079
>I mean, seriously, there are cases in the real world where the only way to stop bad guys is to kill them. Most people don't have efficient ways of stopping people without killing them. And it's justified too out of self-defense

It's fucking comic books, you retard. Batman doesn't kill specifically because he always has an alternative to it. Any sort of self-defense excuse is complete bullshit with him. Trying to apply realistic morals to an unrealistic character is fucking asinine.

File: Superman is super upset.jpg (50KB, 784x350px) Image search: [Google]

50KB, 784x350px

>>93549164
>doesn't kill specifically because he always has an alternative to it. Any sort of self-defense excuse is complete bullshit with him. Trying to apply realistic morals to an unrealistic character is fucking asinine.

>>93549125
It is outright established that if Superman isn't on his best behavior 24/7 the normies of the DCU suddenly get scared of superhumans. He is hamstrung by public relations more than anything

>>93549200
This is a result of Metropolis being constantly attacked by evil versions of Superman, which constitute a major percentage of his rogue's gallery.

File: 1434504801048.png (802KB, 617x534px) Image search: [Google]

802KB, 617x534px

>heroes killing the bad guy is considered edgy
Capefags, everyone.

File: Two-Face_02.jpg (140KB, 500x756px) Image search: [Google]

140KB, 500x756px

>>93544859
Heads