Thoughts on this?

actually pretty boring
little Nova and Latino Ghost Rider are way better legacy characters
even Kate's story has been better
Gillen, Fraction, Lemire, Thompson > Wilson
she's only semi-popular because of SJWs and muhh cute brown girl
also stop comparing her book to early Spider-Man, it's not like that whatsoever
she's a shit character and should be killed off quicker than genuinely good characters have RIP Rikki Barnes

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>>93526817
she's my self-insert. i'm very proud and so happy you guys love her!

>>93526817
It's complicated. She really isn't a terribly well constructed comic character because she requires a ton of nuance and understanding to write.
So much in fact that even the original creators don't always manage to get it just right.
As a novel character she could function much better because you can be much more clear with intention, hidden meaning and emotion than you can in a picture. Her lack of high drama and theatrics also isn't good for monthly release schedules because it feels less gripping and tense. Her internal arc spanning as much time as it has is also not great for her release schedule. Because you just can't have matching external arcs with Marvel. We're like 40 issues into her story and her development is slowly, slowly bubbling away in the background. We may be years away from a conclusion about her feelings for Bruno and what her family thinks about that. And that just won't move the monthly issues. There is no urgency, no immanent threat of her falling apart or the like. No twist that turns her world upside down.
I like it, but release as a YA novel might be better.

>>93526817
watch it get flushed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htEJPnjKv-s

Why isn't she wearing a hijab? That hair too lustful. She is just asking for an acid facial.

>>93527163
don't make sana amanat cri!

>>93526908
Why are these people so dumb and crazy? Are they not aware that they're basically going to meme Hitler back into existence?

>>93526817
She is really boring. It was ok at first but her geek girl and superhero fan stuff wore thin. Her powers were pretty cool before getting condensed to big hands. Her supporting cast is more entertaining than she is. It's even that she is bad just kinda worn thin with her lack of development. Secret Warriors is the most I have enjoyed her since the first volume.

Perhaps the most overrated of any new character. Her fanbase makes a million excuses for her popularity decline my favorite being that somehow being in events that her solo doesn't tie into and is referenced in her solo is somehow sidetracking her solo.

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>>93527313
>Are they not aware that they're basically going to meme Hitler back into existence?
ssshhhhhh, as a brown man I so want this to happen so let them continue to ruin themselves.

>>93527420
>and is referenced
and isn't

>>93526817
I like it, genuinely
Kamala is qt though I avoid any of her other appearances like fire, it's a fun title with a good art

>>93527133
see, what you're calling a con I see as a pro, guess you're seeing it from a sales standpoint while a see it as a reader, I like the slow-paced nature of it

>>93527420
point for the powers, but the events did fuck her up, especially CW2

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>>93527425
>Truth sound like hate colored soldiers in Nazi and waffen ss to those who hate the truth.

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>>93527473

>>93527465
I agree on CW2 but none of the other events that she was involved actually touched her solo. If you just read her book you would not even know that standoff, IvX, or even Secret empire happened. Hell you wouldn't even know she was on the Champions.

>>93527473
>DON'T DEAD
>OPEN INSIDE

still gets me

>>93527425
>>93527480
In all seriousness and back on topic though, Kamala would have been alright if not for the please love Muslims propaganda that has her going out of her way to look for oppression. I actually like the simplistic stupid look of her costume.

>>93527313
that's the plan. America needs to burn and the second coming of Hitler on American soil shall be our sword of vengeance

>>93527527
>>>93527313
>that's the plan. America needs to burn and the second coming of Hitler on American soil shall be our sword of vengeance

Careful with that edge kid, might put your eye out.

>>93527486
and that's good for me, she's cancer in other books

She was a fucking mouthpiece cunt in Champions. Of her main series I only saw that election issue. And I don't need to see more.

>>93527606
pretty much this she came off as such garbage in Champions i can only see this bitch as cancer

>>93527606
election issue was the weakest point, imo worse even than CW2 tie-ins, it completely went against the tone of the book
then again, there were far worse election issues as well

>>93526817
Islamophile western author whitewashes her religionfu and Marvel thinks it's fine because they're making the world better by publishing this.

>>93527313
the thing that makes it funnier is that all of the "fly over" states that SJWs mock are literally all the descendants of germans that erased all traces of their german identity/language because of the shame of ww1 and ww2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Americans

Morons like Sana and Linda are begging for nazis to come back.

>>93527699
I'm not American so I don't know everything but wasn't there lots of admiration for the Nazi party in America before Pearl Harbor? Otherwise yeah, you can only shout NAZI at everyone for so long until they actually do become Nazis to get back at you.

>>93527699
It's already kinda coming back as an identity with Germany being a player again.
But there is no way you get German nationalist sentiments in America now.
Not while Germany rejects such sentiment.

>>93527634

Has there ever been a good election comic book?

Excluding Prez (both versions), of course.

>>93528092
Transmetropolitan

Kamala is Marvel's best character since Peter Parker.

>>93527425
>Colored Soldiers
>Nazi/SS
WE

>>93527634
I don't quite agree, it was probably misplaced in her timeline(Nakia was IMHO too friendly with her given the previous arc) but she's been shown having social activism tendencies so her trying to get people to vote.

I do think it should have been more nuanced about the political choices given in the book, I thought giving the LGBTXYZ Colored Disable Wymmin candidate some flaws(like, noticing the fact she's really young means she lacks experience in dealing with politics and bureaucracy) would have improved it a lot(especially giving the other choices were Hydra and Old White Politician)

>>93528713
WERE

>>93528770
KANGZ

>>93528713
People ignore\forget that a lot of the hate for the jews was fanned by the fact one couldn't tell a jew from an aryan just by looking.
The whole "they hide among us, they looks like us, they fake being like us but they are not us" propaganda obviously doesn't applies to negros and otherwise coloured people.

>>93526908
Man you are obsessed with this.

>>93528796

"So hol up--you sayin we wus Sturmabteilung n shit?"

>>93526817
I WANT TO KISS KAMALA!

>>93531339
Naw, man. We'sa wasn't no crummy SA. SA was for beating up commies.
We wuz Wehrmacht and Schutzstaffel. Showin' dose Imperialists where the sun sets on the dark continent.

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>>93527168
>Why isn't she wearing a hijab?
for the same reason she isn't

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>>93526861
Fuck Marvel. Robbie better get another series to make up for how hard they fucked over the last one

>>93531576
So hijab is for ugly women ? I'm pro-hijab now

>>93526817
Ms. Marvel is pretty good. Only problem is that only Wilson knows how to write her, so she becomes an obnoxious mouthpiece in shit like Champions. I don't even get why people get bent out of shape by the election special when a good portion of it is really just promoting people to go out and vote.

>>93526817
Her gimmick is running thin. Compare her to someone like Blue Beetle who was more than just a cute ethnic kid. He had to deal with danger. He had to deal with being overpowered and scared for the well being of his loved ones.

Kamala has never been challenged. She has never faced true danger.

I defy Kamala fans to defend her as a true battle-tested heroine.

Also her powers suck as they are written. They're basically instant Hulk Hands and that's lame as fuck.

>>93531813
Aye.

But she is cute and kissable.

Prove me wrong.

>>93531677
>it is really just promoting people to go out and vote.

But this book is aimed at an audience that isn't old enough to vote, and adults should already know the responsibility of voting.

>>93531830
Well here you go. This is why she's bleeding readers and why in a decade she's going to be looked back on the same way Brother Voodoo or Werewolf by Night are-a gimmick made to appeal to the fads of the time and not a true long lasting character.

You can't handle super heroes with kid gloves. I dropped the book the moment the chicken-man Edison showed up because I knew the writer was more interested in writing quirky slice of life than super hero stories.

Kamala is finished unless someone is willing to put her through a trial by fire like every other hero.

>>93531895
You still haven't disproven my theory that is cute and kissable.

>>93531927
She is. But being attractive is hardly novel in the world of comics.

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>>93531585
Well Johnny Blaze seems to be coming back. That good enough?

>>93526817
Started off well, but then started to get really sloppy as it went on as Kamala got more exposure.

>>93531964
I'd like more of any of them (except Alejandra), but Robbie's the least explored, and Felipe Smith didn't even get to finish his actual arc about Robbie's mid-season power-up

>>93531622
the hijab is for women who practice openly the islam
she isn´t so she dont have to wear it if she dont want to

Before all the shit with destroying the Marvel universe and the reboot shit, she was very good.

The important part I think is that she wasn't written as a Woman/Muslim/LGBT mouthpiece. She was just a loser girl who got superpowers and had to hide them from her family. It just so happens that she was also woman/muslim but they weren't her defining characteristics.

Once they dropped that and had to make it about diversity, and got shit artists, you have stuff like Champions.

Ms Marvel can be great, but not when she's a mouthpiece.

>>93532128
>is that she wasn't written as a Woman/Muslim/LGBT mouthpiece.

of course she is you fucking retard
The stated reason for this character to even exists is MUH POC MUSLIM GIRL!!!!

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>>93527313
That's the plan Anon. Look, he was right the whole time!

>>93528092
McDuffie's Demon Election 1988

The references are too old to assblast current /pol/

>>93532050
Did Danny ever come back to being a nice or chill-ish guy again? I last remember him still being broody and the whole "time to kill all the other Spirits of Vengences that oddly have not been referenced anywhere ever before".

>>93531964
Is Johnny about to toast Sailor Venus?

>>93526908
You Americans have all gone insane.

>>93532431

It's way way more horrific than that

>>93526817
It's an attempt to normalize Islam in western nations. One of the most evil and vile motives a comic book can have.

>>93532478
What, Penance Stare? Or is he about to legit mutilate her?

Or did you mean Danny?

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>>93532431
That's Skin Bender. It's a demon that can manipulate flesh and blood, like a pyromancer except for organic tissue, even while the organisms are alive. It sees Dailor Moon on TV and adopts a freakish visage of 1:1 anime proportions, but in the real world. "she" falls in love with ghost Rider because he's perfect, from her point of view at least. This is how he responds.

>>93527313
As someone who voted for Trump who they call Hitler and my favorite comic character is Scott, who Marvel calls Hitler, I have to say it is making me warm up to the man's ideas. My real life and fictional heroes are based on him so I guess he must be great.

>>93532355
>redactio
You really are an idiot.

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>>93532576
Just remember that although Hitler was a morally reprehensible human being, the West's obsession with him has to do with our involvement in WWII and how the Nazis were essentially a quintessential villain America vanquished, and our conceptions that the Nazis are the most evil force in history is built on a narrative where we were unambiguously good and they were unambiguously bad. In reality despite how monstrous the Nazis and Hitler were, Stalin and Mao are objectively worse than him. And the current authoritian left which demonizes everything to the political right of them as "Nazis" are communist sympathizers.

>>93532562
Fuck she's like something out of a western How to Draw Anime book.

And nice~

>>93532502

This.

Fuck Islam, and fuck Ms. Mohammad.

Marvel tried to do too much with her too fast and pushed her too hard. She shouldn't have joined any teams until at least two-three years after her introduction, but she was an Avenger within, what, six months, which is barely a few days comic book time? Forced Secret Wars and CWII tie ins ground her books to an agonizing halt.

Kamala had potential, but all of it is wasted on Marvel trying way, WAY too hard to make her their new golden girl.

>>93531585

It's the fact that Robbie was sidelined in his own book AND they introduced a new plot point for him that gets me. The thing is that Robbie never appears outside of his own books, so he can't even have stuff happen to him while there isn't a "Ghost Rider" being published.

>>93532502
Explain please.

>>93526817
Her outfit is pretty shit, desu.

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>>93527133
I think the problem with her and a lot of the new characters in comic books is the lack of Rogues/Rivals.
So while a lot of these characters can feel fleshed out in terms of character relationships and particularly dialogue, the "superhero" aspect feels missing as if the YA aspect invades too much of the comic's plot, which is why we often see these characters action as heroes often revolves around them in team activities such is the case with Kamala and her overall reliance on her Champions/Avengers activities to make up for her superhero stories.
To the point where she feels less like her own hero and more of a side-story to the main Avengers story (a similar problem I have with Tom Holland Spider-Man).
I also feel that while Bruno and her can be a pretty good relationship, I just think that the previously hyped-up Kamala/Robbie relationship fit better due to how similarly attached in terms of family and personality these characters where despite their stark diferences socially and heroically.
For her character, I think going the Spider-Man route of constructing villains based on a theme and social structure (like animals and the attachment to "failure in a certain moment in life prior to achieving power" such as with Doc Ock, Kraven and Green Goblin) would be better themed, heck even JoJo villains feel like a good fit to Kamala. Characters like Kira would be a perfect rival character, and if the Writer learns a thing or two about subtlety in storytelling, a character archetype like Funny Valentine could fit against her Anti-Trump values (pls /pol/ no bully).

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>>93531622

>>93531833

>1993 or whatever
>be 6
>Watch Pryde of the X-men
>live-action Spider-man tells me to vote

Spiderman I've got more than a decade until I can do that what do you want from me

>>93531964

Why is Sailor Venus here?

>>93532322

>>>/pol/

>>93536178
Spider-Man wanted you to sit down and really think about the issues and come to an informed decision about how you were going to cast your vote. You had twelve years to learn about the democratic and electoral process, political ideology, and the issues facing your community and country, and what did you do? You voted Green in an attempt to impress that hot hippie chick at work. Spider-Man is disappointed in you, anon, he can't even look you in the eye.

>>93536388

I have never voted green. I voted libertarian

>>93536222
Anon isn't wrong though. Kamala's existence is a blatant, cynical cash-grab trying to capitalize on what are perceived to be broad social trends, and it's only recently that Marvel's realizing a bunch of uppity college kids and children on Tumblr don't constitute a demographic interested in throwing money at comics.

>>93526908

That bitch probably just came up with the concept like Bob Kane came up with the concept of Batman. Wilson and the artist have done everything else that makes her a good character in a fun comicbook.

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>>93526817
Kamala is the best thing that has ever happen and I love her every bit. And I will fight anyone that bad mouths her

And she's a hot brown girl who is also a nerd. What's not to love?

Damn, those folks at the ISIS recruitment department sure know how to market their stuff

>>93536477

Maybe that's the editorial reason she was created but that doesn't make her a mouthpiece, and she wasn't in the way that, say, Whor or Mockingbird were. I have zero problems with having a """diverse""" character so long as the book isn't being preachy or shitting on someone's legacy

>>93536635
They already have one. ISIS girl. ANd in a fight Kamala would win

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>>93536503
''Concept''

Kamala looks just like her. An obvious self insert.

>>93536606
>Why don't you love islamofascism, you infidel?

>>93536606
INCREDIBLE WET BOOBS!!!

>>93536677
WTF I LOVE TERRORISM NOW

>>93536222

Nobody likes Muslims. You can make her as cute and whatever skin tone you want, but she's still a filthy mudslime.

>>93536734
Racist a-hole. As expected from a Trump supporter

>>93536734
This, she can be a fucking chibi but that doesn't change the fact she is part of the most backwards , violent religion on the face of the planet

>>93536763
Islam isn't a race.

You're probably just baiting, but there are a ridiculous number of liberals who think Islam is a race, therefore you have to support genocide and pedophilia if you don't want to be "racist".

>>93536606
is Ms.Marvel an IP used to catch waifufags and only that?

>>93536763
Islam isn't a race, it's a meme.

>>93536814
Islam does not do violence. That's Wahabbism. Look at Saudi Arabia

>>93532502
We already normalized Christianity.

>>93536666
>brown
>dark straight hair
That only describes 90% of muslims.
Even if she is a self insert, she only created a blank character that looks like her. She has never written a comic book, she is the editor. Her job is to correct the product, and Marvel is known for the lack of attention the editors put. Kamala's character and, like most teenage superheroes, the supporting characters are what makes her compelling. Not that she is a self insert.

>>93532502
Dude you suck. Islam is pretty much the same religion as Christianity and Judaism. You're thinking about Wahabbism

>>93536912
>we normalized Christianity
>the west "normalized" the belief system the entirety of the civilization's moral underpinning is built on, and almost everyone still unknowingly participates in despite no longer believing in the mythological aspect of it
>this means we can normalize a religion with in many respects diametrically opposed beliefs to us who also view us as enemies

>>93536948
>Islam is pretty much the same religion as Christianity and Judaism.
Yeah dude, Jesus was totally a genocidal child rapist according to Christian's own texts, just like Mohammad.

>>93536979
>>the west "normalized" the belief system the entirety of the civilization's moral underpinning is built on, and almost everyone still unknowingly participates in despite no longer believing in the mythological aspect of it
>this is what christianfags on /pol/ believe

Do you also think before the Roman civilisation everyone one the planet was a bunch of shit flinging monkeys with no rules or reason?

>>93536991
Don't you know Anon? A religion founded on the tenets of telling the truth and forgiving your fellow man is the same as a religion which demands you lie about the faith for the purpose of spreading it and explicitly calls for the death of all nonbelievers.

>>93536979
You're very correct anon. Morals never existed until one day someone made a book about them with a bunch of fairy-tales in between. Everyone thought it was okay to rape and kill before the bible came out. Thanks for reminding me of this.

>>93537036
I know your MEEMing, but it's disturbing the number of people who actually believe "Islam is just like other religions!"

There's a reason why in the current age, most religions can coexist peacefully, but none of them can when it comes to Islam.

>>93537084
But Islam literally sanctions raping and killing.

Mohammad himself was a rapist.

>>93537132
How many Christians you think did the same thing? Even the Medieval Ages did all that in the name of Christianity

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>>93536606
I want to convert her to the word of Jesus!

>>93537132
The bible isn't all that pretty either.
>If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death

>>93537219
LEAVE THE CINNAMON WAIFU ALONE!!!

>>93537110
>>93537246
>>93537217


Christianity managed to go through a whole lot of philosophical introspection and transformation over the centuries. Islam has basically been the same since its inception. To equate Islam with Christianity is highly misleading. You can try when it produces a protestant reformation and deism and Unitarianism and the bedrock of western humanism and rationalism.

It hasn't even had anything like Augustine's City of God yet which helped plant the idea of Heaven's justice being separate from the justice of Earth (compare that with Islam which calls for a global and inevitable conversion of every man woman and child).

Islam is probably the least rationally developed religion on Earth. It is not "just another religion".

>>93537132
Christianity had an easier time evolving because it had little bits and pieces of nonviolence and passivity embedded alongside the violence and intolerance. Love your neighbor as yourself, render on to caesar what is caesars, to profess the truth regardless of what the world will do to you to the point of martyrdom, etc.

Islam doesn't have anything like that. The oft quoted (even by Kamala) line about he who saves one man saves all of mankind is taken out of its grisly context.

>>93536905
>>93536905
The question you need to ask yourself is how did Wahabbism come out of Islam with such force in the modern age. Why haven't other religions had their extreme sides run amuck?

There is something innately and uniquely destructive about modern Islamic theology and Muslim culture cannot advance until it confronts this fact about itself.

>>93531585
And his first book, don't forget that. Remember that ugly art shift for most of the run?

>>93536814
>>93536763
>>93536734
>>93536837
It would be nice if they actually gave Kamala something besides syrupy gooey waifu-bait and quirky teenage girl bits.

Have her really confront what it means to believe the things she does, not just in a realistic sense but in the sense of the Marvel Universe. Thor is on the Avengers. What does she think of that? How does Allah factor into all the cosmic weirdness like Galactus? If Muhammed was so special then why are his feats so low for a superhuman?

Take the kid gloves off. If you're going to have her be defined and marketed by her religion then explore and develop her religious views.

>>93537468
>Christianity had an easier time evolving because it had little bits and pieces of nonviolence and passivity embedded alongside the violence and intolerance. Love your neighbor as yourself, render on to caesar what is caesars, to profess the truth regardless of what the world will do to you to the point of martyrdom, etc.
>bits and pieces

That's literally the New Testament in a nutshell.

It was easy to "reform", because Jesus was a nonviolent hippy, and everything he said was nonviolent hippy shit.

Mohammad was a genocidal child rapist. There's no reforming Islam, because it has no redeemable aspect. Its like asking cancer cells to stop multiplying.

>>93537246
>the jew testament
At least we don't get daily terror plots from people screaming "SHABBAT SHALOM!"

>>93526817
> Would bend over and pound mercilessly.

>>93537217
Against Muslims, who had raped and murdered their way all the way to Vienna.

The world was literally one cavalry charge away from never having the Enlighrenment, you filthy saracen.

>>93537597
>nonviolent hippy

Sort of. He had his moments of violence (his rage at the temple for instance). But you are correct. He was far, far, far away from Mohammed who was an out and out child rapist warlord.

>There's no reforming Islam

I think it is possible, but not through herding them through European countries. Leave them alone in the mid east for a few decades and maybe they'll wise up like the Asians did and adopt western ways and western values. Or they could choose the path of the African and self destruct.

>>93537524
Hell, just being straight up with how mainstream muslims feel about Thor, and the Scarlet Witch would be something.

>>93537468
There's Zionism from Judaism, and it's the same as Wahabbism. Anyone going to realize that?

>>93537841
>Zionism

Wake me up when the Jews start driving trucks of peace.

>>93537831
What would they think about Dr. Strange and all the stuff he deals with? He can legit call upon the power of higher beings and none of them are Allah.

>>93537789
>Adopt western ways and western values
No thanks, i'm fine with no blatant politics and obvious tokenism shoved up my ass in my animu.

>>93537884
>What would they think about Dr. Strange and all the stuff he deals with? He can legit call upon the power of higher beings and none of them are Allah.

Even westernized muslims are NOT going to be down with that.

>>93538132
Cyttorak is a cooler god than Allah and his champion Juggernaut is a cooler prophet than Mohammed.

she should have a time travel arc where she goes to the past and stops some evil warlord the Middle East who was raping women/children, enslaving people, etc... and then comes back and everythings different because she killed Muhammad

>>93536734

This is exactly why I directed you to /pol/

>>93526817
>Marvel comics

>>93526908
>He posted it again

Are there any comics where muslims and gays are the bad guys? Asking for a friend

>>93526817
needs a LOT more porn to justify her existence

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How do you go from this..

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>>93540337
to this!

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from this..

>>93526817
She's cute.

>>93531576
Lebanese women are stunning.

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>>93540619
She would be much cuter if Gurihiru drew her more

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>>93540337
to this