Can a movie's ending really ruin a movie for you?

The ending of The Matrix Revolutions ruined an entire trilogy for me. Not /co/-related, I guess, but there you go.

>>93519981
I can't watch Chinatown ever again. I don't know about animated films tho.
Animal Farm is fine because we know how the story ended in real life.

>>93520032
Wait, what was wrong with Chinatown's ending?

>>93520389
forget it, anon
it's Chinatown

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>>93519981
Anon that was the whole point of the story. That their revolution and all the talk about equality was complete B.S. Not having it ruins the message of the story

>>93520686
He meant the ending in where they overthrow the pigs.

>>93519981
Not really. Generally you know how a movie is gonna end anyway. Really it's how you get there that's important. Plus is recent movies of all makes it's been hard to really get any with a great ending, even if the movies are good. So knowing it doesn't make a difference.

>>93519981
If I really enjoyed it up until then it wouldn't be "ruined," but it would bring down my overall opinion slightly. Partly because an ending feels more "haha fuck you" than something similar happening in the middle would, but also just because if I don't like it, I don't like it. Not gonna deny what I did like before then either though.

For it to ruin the entire thing for me it'd have to be either ridiculously bad, or I didn't like the movie much in the first place.

>>93521336
Well that just doesn't work thematically at all. Sounds like the book was better.

>>93520389
Love interest fucked the badguy (who is her dad), and her "sister" is her incest daughter. Movie ends with love interest getting shot to death by police, badguy takes incest daughter with him and gets away with absolutely everything, and Jake is told to leave it all alone.

It's a fantastic movie, but the ending is guaranteed to piss you off.

>>93521508
Yup. The animated movie just goes "jk good guys win yay."

>>93521508
>the book was better
That's usually the case.

>>93521508

True story - the animated Animal Farm was partially funded by the CIA. The new ending was made to inspire counter-revolutionary movements in Soviet controlled countries.

>>93519981
yes,a shity ending can be detrimental for a good movie,thought i can think of any example now,strange

>>93519981
>>93521508
>>93521546
I don't see what the problem with the animated ending is. It's not some happy ending where they live happily ever after. Those animals are fucking dead. They don't know how to run a farm and no humans will take them. They'll fucking starve.

>>93521546
The problem was that the movie was funded by the United States government during the red scare, so they couldn't have a piece of fiction that depicted communists winning.

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>>93521587

They changed the ending in the live action adaptation too.

Only in this version a couple of the animals escape, go in to hiding and return a few years later after Napoleon died and a new family bought the farm.

Stupid, but I really liked the casting in that one. Patrick Stewart was Napoleon and Kelsie Grammer was Snowball.

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>>93519981
> that fucking cop out
>"And they lived happily ever after."
Has Nolan even fucking read batman?

>>93519981
the pigs did nothing wrong
all the other animals where just too stupid and uneducated to understand the pigs vision
they got killed by racism and neo nazis

>>93521700
He wanted an actual ending instead of the eternal status quo all other Batmen are condemned to. TDKR was poorly executed, but if Batman had an end it would be something like that.

>>93521589
Yeah, the communiists won in the book, but it's portrayed at one of the baddest ends that could happen.

>>93520686
The point was that Orwell was obsessed with Stalinists hiding under bed. 1984 was shit as well.

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>>93521782
>but if Batman had an end it would be something like that.

I beg to differ

>>93521574
I guess the pigs literally morphing into humans wasn't on the nose enough.

>>93521859
Casuals already bitch about Batman being fascist. Having him actually building a paramilitary is just pouring gasoline on that fire.

real animalism has never been tried!

>>93521944
Just wait till the furries take over.

>>93521944
Explain Serbia then.

>>93521838
Spending months freezing in a Spanish trench only for the communists to end up selling the entire revolution and engage in witch hunts will do that to you.

>>93521922
If we're perfectly honest Bruce does have some pseudo-fascist tendencies because of his obsession with his "war on crime". the Miller ending makes the most sense for him.

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>>93519981
who was in the wrong here?

>>93521944
Kek and checked.

>Guys this movie will show you how evil Communism is
Alright show me what happens
>The pigs end up really rich and pampered while the common worker has to live with much less
Oh wow that's terrible. What happens under your capitalist system?
>umm

>>93521944
The only good for of government is one where humans are not a part of it
Machine overlords > Human overlords

>>93521782
Batman moving to Paris wouldn't stop him being Batman, tho.
The only way he could really retire is moving out into the woods somewhere.

>>93521984
This image alone could be applied to the current situation in the US.

>>93520008
What happens in it?

Spoiler tag it if you want

>>93521995
>Oh wow that's terrible. What happens under your capitalist system?
The pigs end up really rich and pampered while the common worker has to live with much less but has the chance to improve his circumstances

>>93521944

Upboat

>>93521978
I'm currently reading For Whom The Bell Tolls and holy shit it's account of the Spanish Civil War makes me want to just give up on any sort of idealism.

>>93522028
You really trolled him.

>>93522011
Neo runs into a literal Deus Ex Machina that allows him to re-enter the Matrix and fight Smith in a DBZ ripoff (seriously, it's a total ripoff) but then Smith absorbs Neo and they both explode and the Machines suddenly call off the war.

That's how I remember it at least. It's been years.

>>93522023
oh is that what they tell you? Go run for President, tell me how that goes.

>>93521922

I just find it difficult to believe that, of all things, Batman ends up building an army out of random street thugs. He barely likes working with people he can trust, nevermind former criminals.

DCAU Batman Beyond seems more Bruce's style.

>>93522010
are you going to pretend for a second that hilary cared in the slightest about the working class or that democrats give the tinyest bit of a fuck about them?
at least if trump sells them out tthey got to choose their executioner

>>93521995

They should've just shown the animals starving and eating each other like the Ukrainians did. A far more accurate portrayal of Communism.

>>93522062
I was thinking that Boxer right there represents the average Trump voter.

>>93522054
>you need to become president to improve your life
you can always tell a poster who never experienced life under communism

>>93521519
I don't disagree with you, but that's the point. It's Chinatown, not Hollywood. The ending is intentionally miserable and cynical. Much like Roman Polanski's own life. He raped a little girl and has been living it up in Europe avoiding extradition for 40 something years. Sometimes life is a fucking bitch and the villain wins.

>>93522086
i know

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>>93522055
>I just find it difficult to believe that, of all things, Batman ends up building an army out of random street thugs.

The problem with the brooding figure of darkness is that he can't be a symbol of anything other than fear and revenge. If Gotham were to change, it needs a preventative symbol of compassion and goodness that would-be criminals see and refuse to turn to crime, which means for Bruce to have a happy ending, he needs to inspire people and learn to work with them as Batman because doing it as Bruce clearly isn't working. If Gotham ever gets to the point where the average thug is more interested in violence and tribal culture than money or status, as it did in TDKR universe, a pseudo-fascist societal protection gang is the only real way for them to be a positive influence on Gotham without completely changing their nature.

>>93522062
I'm a democrat and I definitely care about the working class. That's why I support taxing the most wealthy to provide them more benefits, because the working class are the ones actually creating all that wealth.

>>93522097
So you admit you couldn't become President.

And why not? What prevents it? Ask yourself that before talking about how everyone in a capitalism can climb to the top

>>93522193
>I'm a democrat
what a shock
>i care about the working class
thats why you vote to tax the middle class?
remember anon?
remember we have to tax the middle class?
you know whats ugly anon?
lies are ugly
telling lies makes you an ugly person

>>93522232
>if you can't literally become president, there's no upwards mobility

Capitalism definitely isn't perfect but you sound like a middle schooler who just learned about communism

>>93521704
the sad thing is, this would be a legitimate views of a professor in the modern age tasked with understanding Animal Farm.

>>93522036
I would recommend Orwell's own Homage To Catalonia as well.

>>93522259
You know it's more productive if you argue against what a person actually says instead of making shit up as a strawman

>>93522259
I consider making over 100k to be wealthy, not middle class. And yes, we should tax them more so people who make under 50k can get more benefits.

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>>93521838
Orwell was obsessed with needlessly totalitarian societies, and guess what the biggest totalitarian society on Earth was when he was alive?

>>93521984
No, I can't look at this picture, too soon.

>>93521859
That's not an ending, though
Batman doesn't stop being Batman there, he just keeps working from behind the shadows there

Nolan wanted an ending where he actually washed his hands of it all, for good

>>93521995
Orwell was a filthy commie himself. Animal Farm is basically NOT REAL COMMUNISM in the form of a narrative

>>93522302
i did
he said he is a democrat, pro working class and pro taxing the rich and not the working class
when the democrat candidate openly stated in a speech she wanted to tax the middle class
sorry your bias makes you half blind

>>93519981
No because I'm not a "character I like should have been rewarded and character I don't like should have gotten their comeupance" buttburglar.

>>93522312
how about we tax the people making over 40k so the people making half of that dont suffer?
also nice 100k backpedaling, nobody ever said middle class starts at 100k

>>93522055
>the comic is out of character, he should act more like in the adaptation!
Casuals should be banned.

>>93522054
>>93522232
BECOMING PRESIDENT IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THE REPUBLICAN POLITICAL SYSTEM, NOT THE FUCKING ECONOMIC SYSTEM, YOU BRAIN-DEAD FUCKING IDIOT. YOU COULD HAVE SAID "TRY TO BE A BILLIONAIRE" BUT YOU WENT FOR THE DUMBEST FUCKING SHIT I'VE EVER READ YOU STUPID MORON.

>>93519981

The ending is the final payoff of the work. It doesn't matter how good the rest of it is if you don't stick in the landing. It takes you out of what you liked and taints the work on rewatches

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>>93522052
You forgot the part where Neo spouts some gibberish straight out of Camus when Smith asks him why he's fighting. It's the ultimate symbol of how the Wachowskis weren't smart enough to make a smart movie, but they sure were dumb enough to try.

Also the part where Trinity gets killed and then takes like 20 minutes to die, to the point that you just get bored and want her to get on with it.

>>93521859
I actually hated this, I usually stop reading at Bruce's funeral

>>93522319
Orwell had zero love for Stalin or Russia.

>>93522052
Neo agreed to be a carrier of a virus designed to destroy Smith, saving the Matrix, and in exchange, the Machines called off their semi-annual culling of Zion. The catch was that he had to be absorbed to trick Smith into assimilating the virus. That does make the prolonged DBZ fight scene so much sound & fury signifying nothing, since why would Neo fight if he HAD to be assimilated? But the rest of it is a pretty straight-forward "hero sacrifices himself to stop the villain and save everyone" Christ analogy.

>>93522097
Plenty of people who lived under commism regret that period. In fact since the fall of the USSR the communist party has been coming 2nd in literally every election in Russia.
And then there's this >>93522151

Edgy Romanians on 4chan can bitch and moan as much as they want, it's not been better since, except if you like your women literally whoring themselves out to western Europe.

>>93522354
>all democrats support the same stances on every issue

Also if you watch the actual video that started that claim, she said "we aren't going to raise taxes on the middle class." What politician in their right mind would ever say they'd raise taxes on the middle class? Even if they believe that, it's politics 101 in america that everyone considers themselves middle class for some reason

>>93522387

Fuck you dude, even if TDK and TDKSA are done by Miller and on paper they're still technically alternate timelines anyways.

Just like DCAU Batman Beyond was a different universe.

Tell me, in what other Batman comic has Bruce been shown to teach masses of random street thugs his techniques and unite them under his banner with no real vetting whatsoever? I'll wait.

>>93521838
TBF they kind of were at the time.

>>93522312
Fuck you, cockstain. I make 32k a year, and you know who gets fucking shafting by all your progressive horseshit? Fucking me. I haven't had a raise since 2008, but my taxes sure as fuck have gone up by almost $1,000 in that time. And that's a god damned fuckhuge chunk of my budget. You can believe in unicorn rainbow farts all you fucking want, but that is not the god damned reality.

>>93522453
And he had good reason to, he spent much of his youth fighting commies just to come to the US and be told by his left-leaning intellectual friends that communism is totally the way of the future, guys.
In a way, we need an Orwell of the modern era to slap the pissbuckets waving the hammer and sickle on college campuses.

>>93522351
Thatr's just called "fuck Stalin".

>>93522488
he contradicted himself on the first thing he said
i called him out on it
deal with it
not everyone can handle an argument like me, i than growing up with very angry lawyer parents

>>93522312
>And yes, we should tax them more so people who make under 50k can get more benefits.
Every time I think the /co/umblr meme is a myth, someone comes along and makes a post like this.

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>>93522458
Also note that the machines literally win because status quo is all they ever wanted and billions of humans are still in that matrix.

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Better Orwell work coming through!

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>>93522484
>2nd in literally every election in Russia
Like Putin would ever let any other party have any power whatsoever.
>>93522351
Orwell was at most a socialist, and his ideals shifted greatly over the course of his life.

>>93522536
This is one of the most fedora things I've ever read

>No one is as much of a master debater as I am. It's a curse.

He didn't contradict himself because
a) he never stated that he supported taxing the middle class, you just assumed that because a different democrat said that
b) Hillary never said that
c) Middle class =/= working class

>>93522312

why do you assume people will benefit more from your tax money than from the their employers not paying those taxes?

corporations and big business are an economical system of their own, you're better off taping on their output than their input to receive wealth to invest.

>>93522319
No, Orwell was obsessed with Stalin.
That is why in 1984, literally everything, down to the mustachioed Dictator, the timeline of English Socialism, the Trotsky analogue, etc is just "The USSR but with gin instead of vodka and on a 20 year time delay."
Asimov ripped 1984 a new asshole and the only reason it or Animal Farm were popular is that they served the interests of Red Scare propagandists.

>>93522488
>>all democrats support the same stances on every issue
No, but they have very effective party whips to keep everyone in line, they turn on each other very quickly. There is definitely a split or restructuring on the horizon, though. If the mid terms are as much as a slaughter as the projections are saying.

>>93522520
>I haven't had a raise since 2008, but my taxes sure as fuck have gone up by almost $1,000 in that time.
What the fuck gave you the idea that had anything to do with politics? That's inflation and your employer being a dicksneeze (which is usually allowed by ecnomic liberal policies, and by that I don't mean commies).

>>93522351
Orwell was a socialist and Animal Farm is an allegory for the Russian Revolution. It's primarily a critique of Stalinism specifically.

>>93522591
>he never stated that he supported taxing the middle class
he did by proxy
>Hillary never said that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNTwYQGeWow
>n- noo she meant she loves cats
save it
>Middle class =/= working class
wrong, working class can very well be lower middle class. This isnt 1800
argument over, congrats on squeezing an extra reply out of me

Orwell very clearly hated the economic systems of capitalism and communism but no one seems to grasp this

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>>93522614
>trickle down totally works you guys! Any day now!
>A consistently lowering of taxes on the wealthy over the past 40 years totally hasn't led to a constantly widening wealth gap between the rich and poor!

>>93522643
Asimov is a fucking meme, its all about muh boi Dick.

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>>93522581
Eltsin was pretty lad tough. I can't imagine what Bush/Obama/Trump having such a good time with Putin would have resulted in in the internet era.
https://youtu.be/QI2SKRk8SNs

>>93522675

>implying the gap widened because people were getting poorer and not because the corporations were growing absurdly large and reaching globally
>implying it's wrong that some people are extremely rich so long as nobody gets poorer as a result

that's the crux of the argument, it's about jelousy, not injustice.

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>>93522578
The biggest mistake the Wachowskis could possibly have made, and DID make, was to make the Machines sympathetic. Individual programs, sure, but the entire faction? That was a bad idea.

>>93522673
He was a trotskist and hated marxism specifically.

>>93522669
>he did by proxy
For someone with lawyers for parents, you seem pretty retarded when it comes to "guilt by association"

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNTwYQGeWow
Again, use your brain just a little bit. Hillary constantly talked about not raising taxes on the middle class. which is more likely: thatshe didn't enunciate the "n't" of "aren't" well, or that for some reason she pulled a 180 on her political stance for this one speech despite all logic and reason for a politician.

>>93522055
>Batman ends up building an army out of random street thugs. He barely likes working with people he can trust, nevermind former criminals.
Nah, it makes perfect sense. Batman realizes in the end that being a positive influence on the next generation of Gotham is the best he can hope for. At the start of the book, he's suicidal and lost all purpose. At the end of it, he says Carrie Kelley "is all the reason I need to continue. She has decades - DECADES left to her." Robin saves Batman from certain doom, just like always.

The blackout just forces Batman to practice his habit of taking in and reforming troubled kids on a bigger scale - and the story goes out on him reminding Robin about the importance of proper posture. It's the most in-character ending possible - Bruce Wayne is too old to be Batman anymore (disregarding the sequels literally decades later), but he can still help teach the next generation, because Robin has reminded him how good it feels.

The problem is, more people remembered Batman being a hardass to Supes in TDKR than cared about the impact of Robin on his character arc, so all most future writers gleaned from Batman is "readers like it when Batman's a hardass!" so they wrote him as a grumpy, paranoid loner for years.

TL,DR: The Batman that you think TDKR isn't being faithful to, is actually the waste byproduct of TDKR, and Batman as he existed before and at the very end of TDKR was just less cynical.

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>>93522723
>implying it's wrong that some people are extremely rich so long as nobody gets poorer as a result
>so long as nobody gets poorer as a result

Yeah about that

>>9352272
You are assuming Putin is playing by any rules besides Putins. Historically the Russian people will let you get away with a lot before they will push for change, so long as the leader projects strength. Tsar Nicky wasn't as cruel as his father, but he showed enough weakness to get the Russian Proles on board with revolution.

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>>93522675
lemme help you out

>>93522751
>even when they tell you directly they will fuckyou over they are still not telling you they are going to fuck you over
pottery
im done anon, go be a smug self congrtulatory retard somewhere else
here is an idea, go defend stalin, it wont be very difficult for you

>>93522643
1984 was inspired by his time in Spain, where communist-controlled newspapers, pamphlets, etc. distorting truth and facts left and right to the point the Spanish anarchists and socialists were accused of being fascists and imprisoned en masse without trial.

>>93522811
Russia would have been destroyed without Stalin.

>>93522839
Not him, but, it was also slaughtered BY him.

>>93522811
>A person running for president of The United States with decades of experience in politics announced in a speech that she wants to raise taxes on the middle class - something that she knows is an almost universally opposed political stance\
>She would have gotten away with it too, if she had just remembered not to admit her secret plan to everyone!

This is what you believe

>>93522675
We just need to cut even more taxes then.

Any story can be ruined with a shitty ending. I can't think of any /co/ examples off the top of my head but an /m/ one is Kamen Rider W. I just choose to believe that last episode never happened, or at least the last ten or so minutes of it anyway.

>>93522767

I suppose that rings true. If we take TDKR Batman as a product of 1960s Batman and examine it as we would around the time it actually came out....perhaps it makes more sense.

But, being born in 87, I was exposed more to the modern Batman growing up and when I think Batman I'm more apt to think of post-Crisis gloomy Batman than say, 1920s pulpy Batman or campy Comics Code 60s Batman.

Which, in my mind, still doesn't make sense as a logical conclusion to modern Batman; but then again TDKR didn't have the opportunity to take bullshit like Flashpoint or Rebirth into account either.

>>93522805
>>93522793

wow, it's almost like there was an economic crisis in the 70s that had tremendous effects and were not corrected properly by bad policies in the past years

surely things would have gone much better if we had gone full socialist and never reached the levels of prosperity during those years in the first place

>>93522723
People DID get poorer in terms of purchasing power and in terms of the value of their work.

>>93522874
She is clearly a robot and Russia figured out a way to hack into her and control her speech anon

>>93522728
>>93522578
What could've been...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzidu-5iVRk

>>93522101
And that's not factoring in what happened to his wife, apparently.

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>>93522924
>surely things would have gone much better if we had gone full socialist and never reached the levels of prosperity during those years in the first place
Well no but the current trend of "let's cut taxes on the rich so the poor get a better life" has affected the poor negatively in most countries, even the ones where your country delocalizes production too. As in, the share of wages in GDP has gone down in the last 20 years in fucking China.

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>>93522863
>Peter the Great
>Ivan the Terrible
Great Russian leaders have never put much thought into how many of their people die. Joe just did it less fashionable clothes.

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>>93522723
>so long as nobody gets poorer as a result

You fucking retard, please die in a hole.

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I summon Lauri Allen Torni to protect this thread from communist filth.

>>93522918
Gravity falls
Sa murei jack

>>93522974
I don't think I'd call Stalin great all things considered.

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>>93522979
Taxation is theft

>>93522558
I'm dumb. Why is that post /co/umblr?

>>93522961
Still shit. They should have never shown Zion, nothing that happened there added anything to the story except extra screentime.

>>93521838
Greetings comrade

>>93523016
He kept the country together via the blood of other people, but I doubt they would have held up as well against Nazi Germany without his leadership.

>>93522643
Brave New World is the true dystopian society novel

>>93522967

"taxing the rich" just incentivates delocalization because companies no matter how well off they are will never do anything but the most beneficial thing for their own well being, it's like asking a tree to grow sideways on it's own.

besides, there's little guarantee that public funds will be used for good, a deficient welfare system is extremely harmful, especially when you end up punishing people for gaining more self sufficiency. Instead of welfare there should be a system of incentives, like giving coupons to mothers for school reports.

with enough people into welfare you just give people money to spend and feed your economy directly, and it's all productivity of a few paid by made up credit from many.

>>93522967
Rich people in America already pay way too much on taxes, furthermore that kind of taxing policies in Wich the more you earn the more you pay depress the economy since owners of small and medium size business lose insentive to grow
Plus the problem isn't that there isn't enough money in taxes, the problem is how poorly is all managed, you can have free healthcare if instead of figuring out a way to foot the bill you build more hospitals and maybe do like Israel and pay for the education of doctors in exchange for free labor from them for a period of time after they graduate

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>>93523022
>pic

>>93523053
>He kept the country together via the blood of the country*

Nazi germany was not prepared to fight russia in any circumstance. Arguably, anyone could have beat germany in russia. Supply lines stretches, unprepared to fight in the winter, fighting a front on the opposite side at the same time.

Anyone else would have been preferable to stalin to be honest. Without ANYBODY? They would have been lost. So your statement is loaded. Yes. Without stalin technically they wouldn't have held up as well. With someone INSTEAD of stalin? They might have done even better.

>>93523022
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>>93522614
>why do you assume people will benefit more from your tax money than from the their employers not paying those taxes?

Because a guy having affordable healthcare benefits him more than his boss' boss' boss buying some luxurious shit he doesn't need

>>93523165
Like a home PC for instance? such luxuries comrade.

>>93523102
>Wich the more you earn the more you pay depress the economy since owners of small and medium size business lose insentive to grow

>since I'll only make $500,000 a year instead of $700,000 a year, then I might as well not try at all. This is clearly the way people behave

>>93523165
>his boss' boss' boss buying some luxurious shit he doesn't need

first

>need

second, do you seriously think companies don't just use any earnings to invest even more and expand? it's capitalism.

and affordable healthcare does not come with government money we've seen that much.

>>93523087
that's why corporations need to be regulated in ways that makes it so the most beneficial thing for their well being is also what's most beneficial for the workers.

This isn't something that happens organically in a free market. It has to be structured that way.

>>93523040
genuine belief that communism and extreme socialism are the way of the future is the new political trend on umbler.

>>93523087
>"taxing the rich" just incentivates delocalization because companies no matter how well off they are will never do anything but the most beneficial thing for their own well being, it's like asking a tree to grow sideways on it's own.

Not interested in your discussion but the term you're looking for is "economic flight."

>>93521674
I haven't seen the live action version but damn that casting sounds enticing.

>>93523087
There's always more profit to be had in another place as long as there's someone willing to whore out their people to do the work cheaper. It's a visquous cycle.

I wont deny the inefficiency aand sometimes laxism of governements in their keynesian (lol) policies though.

>>93523102
>Rich people in America already pay way too much on taxes
How so?
>furthermore that kind of taxing policies in Wich the more you earn the more you pay depress the economy since owners of small and medium size business lose insentive to grow
That's such a fucking stupid argument. Nobody's going to object to earning 500k a year because they pay more tax than if they earned 400k a year. People aren't that petty except faggots who earn shit-all and think if they earned shit-all+1 they'd get screwed over.
>Plus the problem isn't that there isn't enough money in taxes, the problem is how poorly is all managed,
That's fair. There's honestly a deficiency with most modern republics on that front (not to imply that dictatorships do better).
>you can have free healthcare if instead of figuring out a way to foot the bill you build more hospitals and maybe do like Israel and pay for the education of doctors in exchange for free labor from them for a period of time after they graduate
That ties with my previous answer: if people abuse the system, don't necessarily blame the system, punish abusers.

>>93523211
>do you seriously think companies don't just use any earnings to invest even more and expand? it's capitalism.
>implying that the ultra wealthy use all of their income to help grow the company as opposed to yachts and shit

>affordable healthcare does not come with government money we've seen that much.
Oh you mean like in Canada or the UK where getting sick won't bankrupt you for life?

>>93522520
>I make 32k a year
Do you bus tables or something? I started at 80k and that didn't even include nepotism, I moved across the country to where I didn't know anyone.

I've since taken a pay cut to work somewhere a little less stressful so now I only make $75k.

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>>93523264
Forgot pic

>>93523195
It's already been proven than when you keep escalating taxes as in tire on pays 10% tire two 20%, etc you reach a point where people pay such percentage that it's simply not worth it to keep earning more
I know you don't realize how much rich people work, to you it's a cartooy guy with a big cigar screaming about toilet breaks but in reality these people never stop working
Why bother with that much pressure if it all goes away in taxes anymore, better not invest in that new technology that could cure cancer,

>>93523211
capitalism is a system of the rich getting richer. Rich people invest in companies, those companies hire people to work hard, and the benefits mostly go to the guy who invested and the guy who owns the company.

Or the rich guy buys some luxury that a bunch of guys worked really hard to create. It's like system of pseudo royalty or lordship where all the peasants work their asses off to make sure the king lives in luxury.

That's what private ownership does. I own your labor, I profit from your labor, and there's nothing you can do to get the profits of your labor out of my hands and back into yours. You can't just refuse to work if you don't like the system, because I'll always find some other chump who'd rather put up with it than starve, so you have to put up with it or you'll starve too.

>>93523183
Do you really think anyone can even set up a business without having a home PC beforehand these days?

>>93523307
And become filthy capitalist business owner? Such thoughts are beneath us in glorious workers paradise.

>>93523230

it's "capital flight" actually.

>>93523215

doing well by preparing your market to be both welcoming and stern on the private sector requires negotiation skills and good planning, and that's hard, but riling up angsty commies and desperate poor people too busy to get educated is easy.

>>93523267

>implying the ultra wealthy don't have so much any expenditure in luxury is such a minuscule fraction of their capital it's not worth mentioning as a factor
>implying the luxury market isn't good to keep for an economy as it's where most R&D and high education employment is done

>>93523211
>second, do you seriously think companies don't just use any earnings to invest even more and expand?
That varies at best
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/profittaking.asp

>>93519981
the ending of 'Ask Me Anything' was a kick in the nuts

>>93523290
>Why bother with that much pressure if it all goes away in taxes anymore
You're aware that, with all the tax breaks and loopholes, the wealthy in america have among the lowest tax rates in the world yeah?

In fact Trump bragged about the fact that he didn't pay income taxes "because I'm smart"

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>>93523150
>not having your personal harem of child-slaves carry your sedan chair wherever you need to go

>>93523004
>Killed in Vietnam
I'm glad.

>>93522520
>Federal income tax rate for person making $32,000 in 2008: 13.75%
>Federal income tax rate for person making $32,000 in 2016: 13.55%

>my taxes went up $1000

Something don't add up

>>93523326
Cute. So how many businesses have you set up before habving your home computer?

>>93522837
In 1984 Ingsoc Stalin becomes an eternal, omnipresent wraith.
In the actual USSR, Stalin died and within a couple years Kruschev denounced him.

1984 is the work of a paranoid obsessive. Ironically, it is the exact mentality that Stalin himself harbored, only Stalin was obsessed with a Trotskyite hiding in every closet.

>>93523364

Wouldn't it just be more productive to end the tax-loopholes for good then? We got pretty high taxes here in Australia (up to nearly 50%) but it doesn't do SHIT when companies like Apple and Uber weasel their way outta paying only half of that.

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>"Broadly speaking, Communist propaganda depends upon terrifying people with the (quite real) horrors of Fascism. It also involves pretending–not in so many words, but by implication–that Fascism has nothing to do with capitalism. Fascism is just a kind of meaningless wickedness, an aberration, 'mass sadism', the sort of thing that would happen if you suddenly let loose an asylumful of homicidal maniacs. Present Fascism in this form, and you can mobilize public opinion against it, at any rate for a while, without provoking any revolutionary movement. You can oppose Fascism by bourgeois 'democracy’, meaning capitalism. But meanwhile you have got to get rid of the troublesome person who points out that Fascism and bourgeois 'democracy' are Tweedledum and Tweedledee."
—George Orwell, SPILLING THE SPANISH BEANS (1937).

"[The new authoritarian civilization] will not be ruled by noblemen with Van Dyck faces, but by anonymous millionaires, shiny-bottomed bureaucrats and murdering gangsters."
—George Orwell, W. B. YEATS (1943).

"[...]the notion that industrialism must end in monopoly, and that monopoly must imply tyranny, is not a startling one.”
—George Orwell, JAMES BURNHAM AND THE MANAGERIAL REVOLUTION (1946).

>>93523414
Inflation. He doesn't understand it either.

>>93523429
>1984 is the work of a paranoid obsessive. Ironically, it is the exact mentality that Stalin himself harbored, only Stalin was obsessed with a Trotskyite hiding in every closet.

"it happened and it was literally exactly like described but not at the moment of the book's writing so the argument presented is baseless"

that's your argument.

>>93523423
Businesses are the work of capitalist spies. You are reported for sedition to Commissar

>>93523434
>Wouldn't it just be more productive to end the tax-loopholes for good then?
Everyone likes to say this as if it's some cure-all for our tax code. There isn't some section of the code labelled "tax loopholes"; it's a matter of companies taking rules that have a positive effect and working them in such a specific way that they pay almost nothing.

>>93522151
The collapse of any central power is going to hurt any country. It's a literal decent into a period of anarchy, even if really brief, where a new government needs to be established and gain control over the situation. I am also willing to guess that the shittier the government that collapses the worse off that nation will be. And long term I can't bring myself to believe a crappy form of leadership will have been able to make good relations with foreign bodies that help leave a good impression for the people and next government.

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>>93523451
over four years

>>93523434
Great idea
>We need socialism because the rich are just way too smart with their loopholes and don't pay the taxes we already have
Why not get rid of the loopholes instead?
>...

>>93521700
That's how Huntress was born.

>>93523516
Because the Tax Code is a bitch.

>>93521820
I don't think "won" is the right word.

Y'know, the point of them being unable to tell the pigs and men apart at the end is an allegory for how the people of the USSR Got Fooled Again, if you know what I mean.

>>93523476

I never said it was the end-to-be-all of all solutions. But making some revisions to the tax code would probably be a good place to start rather than just raising the tax threshold.

>>93523484
inflation decreased the value of a dollar 20% over those 8 years

>>93523484
Inflation is every year my dude. Theoretically that's a good thing.

>>93523542
>making some revisions to the tax code

Good luck. Both sides of the aisle have been trying to do this for decades. It's one of the most complex systems of government and it's being run by people more interested in whether their vote would look good on a campaign commercial than any positive effect it has.

>>93523516
Asking for every loophole to be rid of is like trying to untangle a literal fucking ton of knots all knotted together. It's not easy. And even you did manage it doesn't mean people won't spot new loopholes that you accidentally made. You basically are trying to get everyone to just obey the law completely but you can't even get on a freeway without someone breaking the speed limit. Trying to keep people from making a crap ton of money is less likely

>>93523267
>Oh you mean like in Canada or the UK where getting sick won't bankrupt you for life?
Not that Anon but I'd rather lose money than die waiting in line (Canada) or getting turned down even if I have fucking Appendicitis (UK)

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>>93523452
Literally none of it happened.

English Socialism was a couple generations of Keynesianism and Trade Unionism eventually betrayed by Labor in the late 70s.
Stalinism was quickly denounced by the USSR itself. Maoism was dropped for Dengist market reforms.

As another anon pointed out, BNW was a much better and more accurate dystopian future.

>>93519981
when this shit appears this song always pops in my mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOqblSqx_VI

>>93523612
>>93523516

you also neglect considering that not every loophole is "bad"

if someone truly fulfills the requirement to get exempt from a tax and it has a possitive effect all the same then why is it unethical that they enjoy their profit margin?

>>93523584

Well I suppose we could take a step back from that and try to end Corporate lobbying in Government. At least that way if we're successful there'll be a chance that we'll get somebody in office who gives a shit about their position. But then again I don't think that has a high chance of working either considering how deep that rabbit hole goes. Still, nobody can't stop me from being a reformist.

>>93523652
Equally valid point. Thank you sir

Why are people so against people who work to earn their money being able to use that money?

You want, in a hypothetical case, Bill Gates to only be able to use a few hundred thousands of all the billions he produces? That doesnt sound like a good incentive to actually put effort into work and produce. Guys like him need their just due, you cant expect him to pay a higher percentage of tax than some burger flipper at 7.25/h, because even when someone like Bill ends up paying only 1% of what he earns, he's paying millions more than fags who get hit with the lower end of the tax code bracket.

And hell, some people with loads of money actually fucking deserve it AND on top of that are doing good with it, you think people like Gates, or Musk just sit on top of a stack of cash smoking cigars in their gold plated mansions? All that money is out in the economy, directly or indirectly paying the excuse of a job a great deal of people in our country have.

>>93523516
Because the loopholes are controlled by foreign governements in the age of globalisation you big fat dummy.

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Yes it can.

>>93523633
>die waiting in line (Canada)
The amount of people "dying waiting in line" in Canada is miniscule compared to the amount of people who die in the US because they can't afford proper healthcare

>getting turned down even if I have fucking Appendicitis (UK)
I'll be honest I have no idea what you're referring to here

>>93523716
You don't know much do you?

Can we just admit that democracy is a failed experiment because the common man does not understand what is in their own best interest?

>>93523663
>Still, nobody can't stop me from being a reformist.
Not somebody, but I'lll put good money on the next few decades of your life where you see nothing ever changing doing a good job of it.

>>93523716
>The amount of people "dying waiting in line" in Canada is miniscule compared to the amount of people who die in the US because they can't afford proper healthcare
Maybe they should've gotten a real job instead of being lazy.

>>93523731
>I'll just insult him instead of responding to his points, that'll show him

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>>93523736
>because the common man does not understand what is in their own best interest?

the common man does know what's on his own best interest, but not on a macro scale.

democracy works, mega states encompassing populations of too many cultures and social realities do not.

we need to balkanize the entire fucking planet. Go back to City States.

>>93523768
Never argue with an idiot, he will drown himself telling you there is no rain.

>>93523774
>we need to balkanize the entire fucking planet. Go back to City States.
And as we all know from the utopia that is the Balkans, this always turns out well

>>93523745

Jokes on your friend. It won't take decades to erode my ideals. Because I probably won't even be alive past 25 so it'll never happen.

>>93523633
Learn a foreign language you tit.

>>93523716
I live in Michigan, literally a stone's throw from Canada and everyone here has stories about how crappy Canada's healthcare system is

>>93523682
on the flip side of that, even if someone like Bill Gates paid 90% of what he earned, he'd still be ridiculously wealthy

>>93523709
Hey that planes flying really clo...

>>93523736

Says the guy typing a comment on a website that is actually running and not down because of some power grid failure. From a computer or device that had to be manufactured with unimaginable amount of complexity and knowledge put into, that you expect to work every time and miraculously does, and that you get to own as yours without having to sell a kidney for it. You are probably sitting in a room with central heat or cooling, based on what position of the globe you connect to this site that is probably hosted thousands of miles away from you.

Grow the hell up, if "Democracy" was a failed experiment like you put it, we would be living in holes on the ground. Hell no, we wouldn't be living, most of us wouldn't have even been fucking born.

>>93523716
>The amount of people "dying waiting in line" in Canada is miniscule compared to the amount of people who die in the US because they can't afford proper healthcare
Yeah, you don't die in the line. You die at home because having an aortic aneurysm and not getting immediate surgery is acceptable in Canada, as long as everyone gets free health care. Even fucking Brazil or the Philippines takes better care of the poor, because at least they can promise to pay later rather than wait 6 months for a fucking CT scan

>I'll be honest I have no idea what you're referring to here
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/girl-aged-7-died-appendicitis-6790923
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nhs-crisis-almost-died-hospital-care-appendicitis-appendix-immigration-failures-shocking-a7593321.html
Cant find the teenager who died as well, will look for it

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>>93523663
>try to end Corporate lobbying in Government
I remember when a US presidential candiate said he would do that not that long ago

>>93523682
Bill Gates' money comes from the labor of those in his employ. He does not work a million times harder than the people under him, but that's literally how much more money he has.

It's the people under him who create that wealth that he gets to enjoy, and so it's the people under him who should ACTUALLY enjoy it.

Also Bill Gates was more a product of circumstance than hard work. He was the son of a lawyer, went to private school, with a computer lab (almost unheard of in the 60s) and then got into Harvard.

Also he was naturally smart. That's not honestly something you can take credit for.

Sure his effort played a part in his success, but not as much as other factors. He really shouldn't be a multi billionaire, but he is, because that's what our system does. It turns small advantages into big ones, and then those into even bigger ones. A snowball effect.

>>93523253
It is, but it's bogged down by everything else.

>>93523823
And I could find tens of millions that have been fucked over by the US system, anecdotes sure are fun

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>>93523682
>should a man not be entitled to the sweat of their brow?

>>93523866
>promise to get corporate lobbyists out of Washington
>fill cabinet with corporate lobbyists

genius

>>93519981

The Mist

>>93523804
Maybe but when's the next time your going to be able to annex that sweet pool your neighbor just built?

>>93523774
>democracy works, mega states encompassing populations of too many cultures and social realities do not.
Both fall in the "it depends" departments.

>we need to balkanize the entire fucking planet. Go back to City States.
Go bak to /int/ San Marino.

>>93523860
>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/girl-aged-7-died-appendicitis-6790923
>one doctor makes a shitty diagnosis so the whole system is broken
>https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nhs-crisis-almost-died-hospital-care-appendicitis-appendix-immigration-failures-shocking-a7593321.html
You realize that the average wait time to see a physician outside of an emergency room in the US is measured in days and weeks, right? It's always better to look at overall statistics than a small handful of anecdotal cases which you could do for both sides

>>93523880
>Actual stories from real people versus a bunch of "anonymous sources" and "those who understand"

>>93523844

But if he did pay that, he wouldn't be able to do all the things he manages to do.

You never heard of the philanthropic efforts he puts across the globe? All gone with no extra money to spare.

Microsoft might not even be the company it is if it had to pay out almost all of their profits in taxes, that money was how they could afford to progress. The disappearance of a giant like that who's contributed to many of today's electronics would be a technological setback measured in the decades. You want a reality in which in today's day and age we still live the times where computers could only word process and move dots across the screen simulating a tennis ball?

And don't use the excuse that someone else would have done it, the other entity who'd even have a chance of replicating the success of Microsoft would also have to face the same bleeding taxation. NO ONE would have the cash to revolutionize shit.

>>93523906
The real crazy part is that nobody seems to mind because they're too busy with him fucking up in more hilarious ways.

>>93523982
I don't think you understand that he'd still have HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS left if he was taxed at 90%

that's still an insane amount of money

>>93523868
Bill Gates introduced a product that people wanted to pay for. What the fuck is it with this "hard work" bullshit. If we were all paid based solely on how "hard" we "worked" then we wouldn't get shit done because who decides what hard work actually is. Also, Bill Gates didn't force those under his employ to create his product at gunpoint. Remove him from the equation and you have a bunch of employees with nothing but their limp dicks, while Bill Gates starts offering jobs with the promise that people will totally buy this product he has in mind

>If we don't have a HUGE WAGE GAP between classes, then nobody will be motivated to work harder than a burger flipper!

This is stupid and false, and they really need to force-teach basic psychology in everyone's regular school curriculum so people don't fall for this shit.

Human motivation is EXTREMELY complicated, simple carrot-and-stick tactics don't work, and often have the reverse effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

Yeah bad movie endings can kill a film like the ending of Spectre problem is shit endings usually meaning most of the movie was shit like spectre bad endings really kill a experience when they're part of a tv show like Lost or lesbos of korra

>>93523682
>even when someone like Bill ends up paying only 1% of what he earns, he's paying millions more than fags who get hit with the lower end of the tax code bracket.
So he can pay a lot more than that and still be incredibly rich. Sounds like he should.

>>93523982
I'm pretty sure income tax was way higher in 1975 than it is today

Snowpiercer for me.

Like, it was a FUCK YEAH film until the last 4th...and then I just get really depressed.

>>93524011
> Remove him from the equation and you have a bunch of employees with nothing but their limp dicks

Remove Bill Gates from the equation and the next guy raised with advantages and good circumstances would have done the same thing. Bill was just the first to do something that was inevitable. Not that impressive, really.

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>>93523868
>>Also he was naturally smart. That's not honestly something you can take credit for.

fucking commies

>>93523982
>You never heard of the philanthropic efforts he puts across the globe?
Literally tax writeoffs. For all of that he does there he pays literally no taxes.
It's basically either you pay taxes or you're a philantropist, which seems pretty fucking fair.

>>93524017
Are you implying the very end of Korra is what made it bad?

>>93523868

>Bill Gates' money comes from the labor of those in his employ. He does not work a million times harder than the people under him, but that's literally how much more money he has.

>It's the people under him who create that wealth that he gets to enjoy, and so it's the people under him who should ACTUALLY enjoy it.

False, those people get to work because Bill gives them employment. He wouldn't be able to provide that employment if he hadnt put effort in starting up Microsoft initially, which none of these fucker employees you want to diver his money to was around to help when he did, by the way.

He is DIRECTLY the reason they can have a job, and thinking that after he begun hiring people, that he stopped working is a very naive way of thinking. People like Bill Gates are working all the time, doing talks here, going to meetings with partners there, traveling across the globe to market the company's new product, you think a normal human being being compensated only 90% of what he earns would be willing to do such a task? Its a titanic task that society should be thankful there are people around willing to take.

He could literally be sitting in a gold throne, fanning his ballsack and producing nothing, but he doesn't, he does his job and on top of that is a philanthropist, literally gives money away to try and get other people out of poverty.

>>93523972
>misdiagnosing appendicitis
You don't "misdiagnose" appendicitis unless you are functionally retarded or want a patient off your hands. A 3rd year med student, who literally has almost zero interaction with a patient, can get expelled if he fucked the process of ruling it out in any way in the wards.
>You realize that the average wait time to see a physician outside of an emergency room in the US is measured in days and weeks, right? It's always better to look at overall statistics than a small handful of anecdotal cases which you could do for both sides
We do triage in the emergency room. If your average soccer mom decides to bring little Timmy in because he had colds, then they're going to wait a long ass time. Compare that to Canada, where the issue is not you having a less serious condition (hence the long wait time) but because there is literally no doctor available.

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>>93523982
Also Jesus you fell for the Gates meme, that's just a less normie way of falling for the Jobs meme in 2006.
Wonder if they'll ever find a guy who can jump over chairs for the oblicatory biopic.

>>93524093
>He could literally be sitting in a gold throne, fanning his ballsack and producing nothing
well that just gets you elected president

>>93524048
Why don't you come with the new technological marvel then commie?

>>93522536
>not everyone can handle an argument like me, i than growing up with very angry lawyer parents


Wow this is vintage, olde world quality neckbeardism.

>>93524009

Hundreds of millions of money is as insane of amount of money as the difference between those hundreds of millions and the BILLIONS he actually makes.

Its the difference between being a guy who can afford buying a million dollar car every year, and a guy who runs charitable organizations across the globe out of his own pockets.

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>>93524048
Hey now there's one guy in the top 10 Forbes who's actually a legit American Dream contestant, as in not born from at least upper middle class but coming from a lower class background.... it just happens he's not American.

>>93524048
>Bill was just the first to do something that was inevitable.
And he did it first. It's almost as if people who take risks and trying to come up with new shit get better rewards instead of waiting for the next best thing to fall on their lap.
>Not that impressive, really.
Millions apparently find it impressive, since they were willing to pay him billions of dollars

>>93524098
Wait what the fuck have they been importing so many indians for then?

>>93523644
>Stalinism was quickly denounced by the USSR itself.
Stalinism was the guiding principle of the USSR for almost half its existence.

>>93524106

Its just an example of a well known figure with too much money in his hands.

You can really replace him with anyone who's efforts have produced a gigantic benefit to our society. Hell, just plumbers alone work miracles in our population, the fact we have a running sewage system that is half reliable is a miracle, and it provides so many health benefits even silly writers doing post apocalypse zombie comics find themselves having to address stuff like cholera in an age where proper plumbing has disappeared.

>>93523736
"The struggle of the working class is like the growth of a plant. The plant is blind and stupid, but it knows enough to keep pushing upwards towards the light, and it will do this in the face of endless discouragements. What are the workers struggling for? Simply for the decent life which they are more and more aware is now technically possible. Their consciousness of this aim ebbs and flows. In Spain, for a while, people were acting consciously, moving towards a goal which they wanted to reach and believed they could reach. It accounted for the curiously buoyant feeling that life in Government Spain had during the early months of the war. The common people knew in their bones that the Republic was their friend and Franco was their enemy. They knew that they were in the right, because they were fighting for something which the world owed them and was able to give them."
—George Orwell, LOOKING BACK ON THE SPANISH WAR (1942).

>>93524192
>>93524048
Jesus Christ you faggots Gates pretty much never came up with anything new technologically. He "stole" what he could from MacIntosh and then launched his company around that, and then kept on leeching off more talented people than him Zuckerberg style. He's a shrewd businessman but pretending his vast fortumne comes from his creativity is fucking silly.
What the fuck is wrong with you retards?

>>93522458
If Neo didn't fight, Smith would have likely started to think he was being tricked. Neo "giving it his all" allowed smith to think he had soundly beaten Neo and assimilating him was "his choice" and not a trick.

>>93519981
I thought Sausage party was OK until that stupid fucking ending.

>>93524205
>Wait what the fuck have they been importing so many indians for then?
/pol/ would have you believe that it's all a giant conspiracy to get brownskins in the medical field. The truth is they are legit doctors who wanted to get away from their shitty country that pays them peanuts but are having difficulty adjusting to how a foreign country's medical system it works. So they go into this free healthcare system, where some doctors are invariably going to get fucked, either by having shit pay (fewer doctors due to being turned off into going in the field) or ungodly work hours (think 36 hour duties)

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>>93524266
Well now see, no.
Plumbers are technicians.
Gates is a businessman , an executive, your post was framing him as a genius inventor (like whatever architect came up first with a working sewage system).
Both are terrible analogies.

>>93524270
>What the fuck is wrong with you retards?
Says the guy who fell for the "hard work=good pay" meme and is obviously jelly of Bill Gates' money. He took a risk and got paid for it. Deal with it.

>>93523774
It makes me wonder if the south really did have it right and a collective of states would have been better than a big brother style of government running us all

>>93524270

If he didnt come up with what his company produces and provides to the public, he was still behind the helm of it while it was doing just that. That is just a fact and you have to deal with it.

>>93519981
It brings down points but not a movie

>>93524312
>ungodly work hours (think 36 hour duties)
Sounds like every doctors' life desu. It's impressve so many people bother.

>>93522728
Nah, I'm gonna say their biggest mistake was that fucking weird suicide pact of both of them lopping off their penises and making that fucking weird Channing Tatum movie.

>>93524341
He didn't do shit. As I said he's a shrewd businessman and good for him, and he's admirable for that, but "taking risks"? I guess stealing tech is a risk, technically.

Seriously, learn your tech history before arguing Gates is a trailblazer.

I don't believe our society is a meritocracy, no.

No, sorry, the biggest mistake with the entire trilogy was deciding to continue the story with a joke of an MMO.

>>93524464
WOW was super successful though.

>>93524343
>his company produces
Like what? Do you have any fucking idea what you're talking about?
I feel computer illiterate when I talk to people in the know but you people are just spouting random names of people in the tech industries and go "he must have innovated".

Also no he fucking wasn't, he's basically the most notorious tech thief in history.

>>93524494
Are you literally retarded?

>>93524328

Its a comparison of the value that the work of entities have and the need to repay that effort put into producing it.

Just like the fact we have a running sewer system is responsible for many of today's luxuries humanity can enjoy in the form of good public health (its good when half the people in the streets aren't dying of dysentery) we also owe the effort put into creating what is now Microsoft for much of the luxuries we are able to enjoy in the technology sector.

Both of these efforts need to be appropriately rewarded. You cant expect to maintain their services running if you force the plumbers to give up 90% of what they profit, or 90% of what Microsoft profits, because more often than not, some of that money will go back to providing better, improved service.

Hell, money doesn't directly have to be used in the service to be valuable, companies getting sued need to pay to defend themselves, else they just get torn apart and divide up between people just looking to get money out of the system, and trust me, those people are nothing about producing, those are the real rats eating the crop off the storage house.

>>93524494
Warcraft 3 came out years before WoW. Am I the only person itt older than 30?

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>>93519981
>would have been considered one of his best movies if he had just ended it a few minutes earlier...

>>93524526
But you're arguing for rewarding these efforts inappropriety. Like Gates being richer than Wozniak.
PCfag here btw.

>>93524497

A company as big as Microsoft, doing its business, spills benefits around other companies that take part in their business.

How many tech manufacturers would be bust/not exist if Microsoft wasn't there to demand manufacture of their shitty consoles.

How many firms wouldn't have access to corporate word processing, spreadsheet programs, operative systems images, server services, etc. They make too many things to just narrow down one thing "produced". Somethings aren't even produced, they are services.

And you keep bringing that thief shit up, it is unimportant to the fact the organization has billions in stake on our economy, regardless if its true or baseless drivel.

>>93524536
The first Warcraft isn't that old, and neither am I!

>>93524593

That control is for the market to decide. The people who are willing to pay reward them with the cash they fork out.

What, you want to be the judge of who gets to be paid, and what?

That's Fascism.

>>93524569
didn't the director die before the film was completed?

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>>93524659
The point is pretty much all he's done existed before him. He's developped the industry, that's true, but he's by no means solely responsible for its current prosperity.

>>93524707
I will fight your father.

>>93524717
>for the market to decide
Religiousfags pls go. There's no such thing as an unchecked market, there's never been, and there probably never will be.
>That's Fascism.
/co/mblr pls.

>>93524832
Steven Spielberg is still alive.

Kubrick came up with the concept and part of the script I believe.

>>93524569
What was so bad about the ending? I thought it was fine.

>>93524079
Yes but the whole show was shit so it was a bad example

>>93525111
So "no" then.

>>93523804
That's just because the people who live e there suck

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>be venezuelan
>every single fucking time americans try to defend socialism and shit on capitalism

Capitalism is a mediocre way of spreading wealth, but socialism is a fantastic way of spreading poverty.

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>>93525617

aren't you guys having like a coup de etat right now

why aren't you out building a fortress and engaging in medieval warfare with the cops or something

>>93525771
Because he isn't actually from Venezuela?
As a veteran of the Spanish American War and the inventor of the Chalupa, I should know.

>>93520411
KEK

>>93522458
Notice that Neo's body is still glowing brightly after his 'death'. Every other time like when Bane-Smith or a sentinel died (all things linked to the matrix) they ceased glowing.

>>93525837
Even if the anon above is from Venezuela, it doesn't invalidate that a country that has one of the biggest oil reserves has become a failed state because of socialism.

Four Legs Good! Rocko Bad!

>>93522675
Higher tax rates for the rich means LOWER tax REVENUE from the rich

>>93526136
>an oil state failing

quelle fucking surprise

>>93526205
at least the others failed by outside intervention.

>>93526300
You don't build oil refineries on accident.

>>93522151

Kazakhstan probably made the best of the Soviet union collapsing. They've done really well considering the Russians tested Nukes on them, destroyed their nomadic equine-centric way of life by forcing them into farming collectives and caused massive environmental damage by destroying the Aral sea. Their government even managed to out maneuver the Russians when they attempted to sink the Kazakh currency.

I can't really speak for the other nations but the absolute shit of the Soviet Union is probably best reflected in its effects on Kazakhstan.

>>93526443
And yet, even the Khazak's won't tell you that the fall of the USSR was a good thing.
The only people who will say the USSR going away is the Turkmen and they honestly made out even worse with an honest to Allah lunatic who makes Stalin look like a rational mushroom seizing the reigns and making a public holiday for melons.

>>93524569
What is this?

>>93522579
What makes it good? Potential reader asking.

>>93519981
I think the animated ending was more a product of an nation with Anti-Communist feelings. A new message of "eventually the people WILL be tired of their awful Government shitting on them, and when they get pissed off enough, they WILL rise just as they did before. The Pendulum swings both ways."

That or "Fuck you Communism".

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>>93525837
M8, I know we're all anonymous here, but what the fuck.

I moved to the states from venezuela, but people still have internet there because of retarded bread and circus tactics, just go to hispachan's /ve/ board.

Are you really fucking telling me that I'm not from my own country cause I'm not happy with communists that destroyed it? Is this really the fucking state of americans, so far up their own ass that they won't even take perspective from anyone who has actually lived in that fucking shitty gommie utopia everyone in California keeps clamoring about?

Fuck you man, I grew up in caracas, el paraiso, my friends fucking died there, I've known fuckers who got sent to camps due to riots, I was there when chavez died and the chavists fucking hijacked buses and killed a bunch of people, I grew up seeing kids my age fucking starving in the street and homeless because the system fucked them because commies don't give a shit.

You don't know how fucking good capitalist countries have it. It's not a perfect system but fuck, it's the one that stops people from cannibalizing eachother.

God fucking damn I'm rustled.

>>93519981
Absolutely. It certainly would've left a bad taste in my mouth if in Rogue One the main character would've escaped via some kind of Deus Ex Machina.

>>93526812
What, no pride?

>>93526573

Slow down, Putin.

>>93526573

Apparently like, only 25% of Kazakhs would agree with you.

>>93521704
0.005 shekels have been deposited to your account. Oink vey!

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Well this thread went down the shitter pretty fast.

>>93522023
>The pigs end up really rich and pampered while the common worker has to live with much less but has the chance to improve his circumstances
In theory, maybe. No-one gets rich with mere hard work unless they're exceptionally talented.

>>93527010
That's a sad thing to tell yourself. Average people frequently get rich with mere hard work. The top 10% is very liquid: people are constantly entering and leaving that bracket. If you're not rich, it's your fault.

>>93522723
>>implying it's wrong that some people are extremely rich so long as nobody gets poorer as a result
Never happens in real life.

>>93527010
I think that's moreso due to the post recession period we're living in right now.

I haven't been able to find my first job in the seven and a half years I've tried since like Pre-2012. My FIRST job. Have to hope my sister can help me net a job at Walgreens and begin the first step to having a real successful life or living on disability for the rest of my life and cash in on my assbergers.

>>93523102
>Rich people in America already pay way too much on taxes
You misspelled "nowhere near enough"

>>93527025
Show me your money anon

>>93523682
>You want, in a hypothetical case, Bill Gates to only be able to use a few hundred thousands of all the billions he produces?
Because he doesn't produce billions. The people working for him do.

>Guys like him need their just due
His due is a lot, but it isn't anywhere near as much as he actually gets.

>And hell, some people with loads of money actually fucking deserve it
That's where you're wrong. Some people do deserve to be rich, but fucking NO-ONE deserves to be a multibillionaire.

>Can a movie's ending really ruin a movie for you?

Yes, especially if it's a shitty "They were dead the whole time!" or "He was in a coma the whole time!" ending. Watching it again knowing what's actually going on can ruin it.

>>93522193
The problem with taxing the wealthy is that 1. there's not enough of them to actually make a significant change and 2. they are great at avoiding taxes by moving companies to Caiman Islands or similar places or 3. pushing that tax onto the middle class.

>>93527131
That can be done well though. Zaius's feelings towards humans in Planet of the Apes, for example, get a new context after the ending.

>>93524659
>How many firms wouldn't have access to corporate word processing, spreadsheet programs, operative systems images, server services, etc. They make too many things to just narrow down one thing "produced". Somethings aren't even produced, they are services.
Literally none of them. Some of those things(such as system images) wouldn't even be necessary if Windows wasn't so shitty.

You seem to be under the impression that MS is doing something unique. They aren't. Literally the only thing special about them is that they're the biggest fish in the pond, so they can bully everyone else into using or supporting their products. Everything else they do, someone else is doing better.

>>93527025
>Average people frequently get rich with mere hard work.
No they don't. People who get rich are either exceptionally talented in some way, or they got really lucky. If you're actually average, your chance of getting rich are extremely slim.

>>93519981
Picture it like your about to bust a nut and then all of a sudden you get a foot cramp

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>>93519981
Since we're talking live action movies too: Now You See Me got me so infuriated.


>expecting the French Interpol lady to be the Fifth Horseman because she was SO interested in magic and not the brash, sceptical Ruffalo
>Not even a "I-know-these-people" wink from Ruffalo to the audience / the Horsemen he was chasing ALL THIS TIME
>Ruffalo's chara claiming he'd been setting this elaborate chase up for many years (never mind the fact that the company he was targetting might as well get dissolved / bankrupt, he might as well not qualify for the police job etc)

I was already skeptical on whether I'd love the movie from the premise itself, but then I gradually learned to love it as a decent enjoyable popcorn flick...until THE GODDAMN TWIST HAPPENED.

>>93524079
PLATINUM ROBOTS

>>93522023
A .00000001% chance is not enough of a reason to continue using a system which is flawed due to basic human behavior. Communism sucks and shouldn't be used either, but there is more than those 2 options that are available.

>>93522429
they were both high off their ass on tranny drugs after the first movie

>>93527150
>there's not enough of them to actually make a significant change and 2

The top 20 most wealthy families have more money than the entire country combined.

> they are great at avoiding taxes by moving companies to Caiman Islands or similar places or 3. pushing that tax onto the middle class.

They should be punished for evasion but the corporate boot lickers people call representatives refuse to take action.

So basically everything is going to get worse until people decide to kill them all, but that won't happen because as evidenced by this thread people would rather die than let the rich lose even a penny.

God damn money is the new god

>>93522151
>>93526573

This is the absolute best case poll possible for the soviets, pre ukranian invasion, pre syria breakdown, you exclude the countries closest to the west and the mediteranian. And think of what hungary, poland, the ukrane, and east germany think of the USSR returning.

>>93522151
>Turkmenistan
Surprising, to say the least

>>93526205
An oil state failing because of economic collapse.

>>93522723
I'll be nice and point out that if you get richer, somebody is getting poorer as a result. With these large businesses, it's either going to be:
A. Other businesses
B. The ordinary people
or C. The government, specifically the parts that handle the economic sector

>>93523682
Because they don't, they never use that money, it pretty much sits around collecting dust and interest
Once you build your mansion and buy a whole bunch of cars and suits and yachts and so on and so forth, what then? Now you've made two times the amount you've spent in the matter of a week, and it's not like you're going to go out and buy a million t-shirts or something. Granted, as you said, some billionaires try to essentially put it back into the system, but you can only do so much and only for so long before you get tired.

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>it's a people hate the market system while ignoring the financial system thread

Absolutely usurious.

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>>93527911
>what is investments

Rich people are the only reason any of you have a job if you're not self employed

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>/co/ attempts to discuss politics and the benefits/drawbacks of capitalism versus socialism

>>93519981
YES

FUCK THE BREAKFAST CLUB

>>93519981
Fucking resurrection tears have to stop, period.

>>93527994
You can't have capitalism if the method of buying and selling isn't itself representative of capital. If you can separate purchasing from any representative form of capital exchange (this house is paid for in [x] amount of silver, for example) you encourage ballooning prices, rent-seeking, usury, and stagnating wages, as the power to decide the value of the currency is placed into the hands of the banks, rather than the state.

This is basically the first steps in fascist economics.

Daily reminder that humans are flawed and any ruling system that has a human element in it is flawed as well

Self sufficient and evolving AI Machines are the way to go

>>93520411
You son of a whore.

>>93528039
While theoretically a world ruled by robot overlords would be egalitarian, we have no idea if robots would grow to desire the same earthy sins humans want.

>>93522023
In theory you have a chance of joining the party and eventually becoming a party official

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>/co/mmies in my /co/

not on my watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-6YQQ779YM

>>93526794
Sorry for the very late reply. It's an autobiographical tale of the years Orwell decided to live like a poor man and a great window in the day-to-day life of poor people in early 20th century Europe. It's surprisingly compelling and quite light on the political commentary.

>>93519981
Absolutely. If they put the "My friends call me MJ" line in spidey it'll be so ruined I refuse to even see it.

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>>93527025
>The top 10% is very liquid: people are constantly entering and leaving that bracket.
Hah! No.

>>93521336
Wait I've seen this movie and I remember it ending like the book did with the pigs laughing with some humans while the animals are watching from a window.

>>93522052
So you didn't understand it?
>>93522458
got it right. In a way Smith was right, he was always the one. Since he was the one that needed to return to the source to shut it down. Neo was always going to return. Smith was THE ONE the NEEDED to return.
>>93522578
no they didn't. the conversation between the old dude and oracle confirms that the rest will be released.

>>93527991
http://www.businessinsider.fr/us/rich-people-create-jobs-2013-11/

>>93527517
I know I'm 6 hours late, but

>God damn money is the new god

>new

I'm pretty sure it's been that way for centuries.

>>93524093
I wouldn't dispute any of that, but do you not think the income disparity is still far too great between the people at the top and bottom? If Bill earned say just a couple million less a year and everyone who worked for him earned an extra five bucks an hour, wouldn't that be a bit fairer? That would probably make a substantial difference in their lives. It would make no real difference to his. This is what I find so bizarre about everyone who rants about "muh wealth redistributing commies" all working people are really asking for is to be paid a fucking living wage - But of course they'll never get it as long as businesses are able to outsource and while people think unions are commie plots and workers are instead encouraged to compete with each other in who can do a job cheapest.

>>93522351
He was a democratic socialist. He hated totalitarianism, as if his books didn't make that clear enough.

>>93526812
Oh boy, it's /co/'s very own The Venezualan. I always enjoy your lengthy blogposts whenever anyone mentions communism or socialism.