Secret Empire

So the people who sided with Hydra are they gonna get executed for treason or what? Plus I feel bad for Mutants, they're just spiraling down, now they're gonna be associated with Hydra because of this shitshow.

>>93508096
Technically, what Steve is doing is legal. Probably isn't gonna help any friendships, though.

>>93508130
I think I'd trust Captain Hydra with the fragments more than T'Challa.

>>93508139
Starro?

>>93508130
what the hell is wrong with AI Tony in the first panel?

>>93508139
>>93508153
Starro is in league with Hydra, the saucer people won't be far behind.

>>93508160
the Hive, the tentacle guy/thing in Hydra's high council

>>93508078
>What do you need me from me then?

So many editors and not one fixed this shit.

>>93508226
>so many editors
Marvel's problem is that Perlmutter fired 90% of the editorial staff back in 2011 and they've been grossly understaffed and mismanaged since then.

>>93508186
Herc is best boy

>>93508226
>so many editors
They fired the ones that actually did their jobs, marlel has no need for competent editors they'd just get in the way of them changing the face of the comics industry.

>>93508255
The only reason Misty is in a relationship with Falcon is cause Spencer hates race mixing

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>>93508277
Is Spencer /ourguy/?

>>93508078
>What to you need me from me?
Marvel "Editors" hard at work.

>>93508294
We called it
The fucking cunt

>>93508294
So this was her feminist agenda all along.

>>93508294
Mockingbird is the traitor
Man, Spencer is going all out with the character assassination.

>>93508324
She is a sociopath, so its fitting.

>>93508300
Cap has a Terminator eye in that last panel

>>93508336
Did he nab Ultimate Red Skull's body or something?

>>93508294
Ask me about my Nazi Agenda

>>93508355
If he was gonna say Bruce Banner why did they need to show the huge image of the Hulk?

>>93508372
feminazi

How much longer is this garbage going to last?

>>93508159
The hell is this? Herc turning to rock?

>>93508387
Hello?

>>93508111
>>93508311
>>93508319
>>93508336
I swear every True Cap segment make me think its going to turn into gay porn the next page

>>93508355
>killed in CWII
>killed again in Uncanny Avengers
>makes another appearance in the Star-Lord annual, where he moves on for the second time after UA
>They just get him back in the next big event
They've gone through the effort of having three different storyline about him being completely dead, and they bring him back a few months later?

>>93508387

Ten issues so we are halfway through now.

>>93508211
I know this issue revealed the traitor... but the line from Vision and Tonys other behaviour makes me suspicious of him as well.

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>>93508294
>trusting women

When will they learn...?

>>93508396
10 issues, IIRC, then there are the tie-ins

>>93508193
>>93508206
Based Superior Cap putting muties in their place.

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SUPREME LEADER IS BEAUTIFUL

>>93508255
Bobbi has no right to be a bitch to Clint

>>93508039
Jesus Christ.
Beast is such a fucking asshat of a character now. Soon he will be Dark Beast with the way things are going. So sad. Marvel tries to fuck over mutants with all these events. It is getting old.

>>93508294
Oh. Thats why.

>>93508130
Literally aping Earth X holy shit

>>93508476
Bobbi is a bitch in general, it's been a defining trait of her character since Cain wrote her.

>>93508324
This is the most deserved character assassination.

>>93508478
Secret Warriors had a surprise Dark Beast appearance in the third issue

>>93508130
Man, T'Challa's a cunt. Fuck you Wakangzda.

>>93508492
That's been a thing with most marvel comics since 2010.

>>93508324
Which is kind of odd, seeing how he made a major Secret Avengers arc about her.

>>93508294
Brings new meaning to the term "Femnazi," huh?

So..how wil it go after Hydra vanished? Are they going like "sry, bruuuh, I know you all loved that clean american society and the strong economy and the low unemployed people-ratings, but we are america, bitch and we will go full american again.

>>93508336
>Oh no he's hot!

>>93508039
So when Trump..I mean Captain America is defeated, most likely by Miles, and everything goes back to 'normal' does Marvel expect us to simply forget all the bullshit going on?
I hate these fucking events when it is hero vs hero.

>>93508078
Classic Viper

>>93508294
>Bobby is nazi
>Sable us nazi hunter

Who will Parker choose nazi or anti nazi waifu

>>93508121
Was the Secret Empire tie-in where they went to the Savage Land and fought Sauron and feminism storytimed?

>>93508130
>Tony AI is once again just regular Tony with red speech bubbles and classic armor

Even the blue holoprojection effect is gone.

>>93508579
None of them?

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>>93508300
>be stingray
>work first time in decades FINALLY with the avengers
>get shot

>>93508159
>>93508170
OK, this is a pretty badass moment for Herc.

>>93508586
I'm pretty sure it was, but I can't remember.
It's Secret Empire Underground 1, anyway. Worth a read, and Sauron was hilarious

>>93508324
>no one here read Secret Avengers v2
Secret Empire is basically Spencer's Greatest Hits

>>93508177
Funny how every single place they look happens to be an iconic location in the MU.

>>93508656
I did. Mentallo RIP

>>93508601
He's shaded bluey, but if you didn't know he was an AI you wouldn't realise from this because Sorrentino sucks at this kind of thing

This whole event feels like a what if story, and it feels unimportant since most of the big comics are ignoring it's existence

It's weird. Marvel isn't treating it like they treated Civil War or Secret Wars.

>>93508211
Why is Chthon serving Hydra though?

>>93508294
>>93508324
A lot of shield people were his with brainwashing, so this isn't that hard to buy.

>>93508130
>Black guy wants white guys to do all the work for him.
This Nick Spencer or Richard Spencer?

>>93508223
At least it's clear that Thor's reasons are more complicated than it seemed at first. Still, you'd think at this point he'd realize that his father is a dumb asshole and asking him for advice is foolish.

>>93508294
>bobbi cheats on her husband
>becomes a bitch
>now is a traitor
Haha.
I miss Skrull Bobbi.

>>93508706
I'd be perfectly fine with her doing it because she's a terrible person.

>>93508294
So what's Bobbi's reasoning for this? I haven't kept up with her due to how she's been treated the past few years.

>>93508281
That's actually a pretty good idea from Raz

bobbi will end up being a double agent, there is absolutely no way they'll tarnish her after pushing her for years. or it'll mind control or whatever retcon they shit out to meet deadline for the next triple shipping monthly which lasts for 1 trade before cancellation

>>93508346
>>93508355
So I guess that Zola brought him back with his trademark cloning technique, which is objectively superior to the Jackal's in every way.

>>93508721
Did Thor even try to lift the hammer after SW? He can´t remember the encounter with the Beyonders, but he wasnt able to lift a hammer of THORR and only UNWORTHY people can lift the hammer of THORR.

>>93508761
Who knows. Shes been a huge bitch recently. Also her rape has been retconned into her lying because she cheated on Clint and killed the guy because she felt guilty.

>>93508211
"The Elder God is only able to harness a portion of her power"

Err, Spencer has got that the wrong way round...

>>93508557
Well they are fighting over a cosmic cube.
A cosmic cube that started all of this in the first place.

Its not really hard to imagine there's gonna be another reset involving the cube

>>93508177
Best girl strikes again!

>>93508346
>degrade quickly
>implying that will work

This is gonna end with an Angry Green Monster destroying a few hundred Zola bodies then going back to live in Canada, maybe hang out with Pymtron.

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>>93508816
This is Hydra Bob. They just needed someone as guinea pig, so they planted wrong memories and some gamma-shit into his brain.

>>93508159
Oh hey, they remembered Phobos

>>93508732
Don't forget the part where she committed cold-blooded murder to cover up the cheating.

>>93508681
I for one prefer it this way.

>>93508193
Why it Mjornir there?

>>93508761
Probably got hit with Faustus brainwashing right from #0.

>>93508159
>>93508170
So are Gorgon and Hive dead?

Thanks, OP.

someone post the bingo

>>93508170
o shit

Hahaha. Civil War 2 didn't matter at all huh? Bruce Banner is alive. Tony's in a coma, but who cares let's just make the A.I take his place and be indistinguishable from the real Tony. The damn thing even got drunk somehow! The only thing that will actually matter from CW2 is Miles holding Captain America's dead body, but that won't last either

Why did they even make Civil War 2 again?

>>93508949
It started with the civil war movie.

>>93508942
Did anything happen this issue to update it?

>>93508177
>YOU MUST JOKING
...wow.

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>>93508761
Mockingbird is just retarded

>>93508177
So wait a minute...
Does this mean Emma has two fragments now?
Wasn't there one which fell into Tian, or am I misremembering?

>>93508159
I wanted Ares to do it. I mean. He's in Secret Warriors ongoing. Why the fuck.

>>93508836
Oh anon, poor foolish anon.

Check the solicits

It looks like Marvel is literally hoping we'll just forget it happened and the Cosmic Cube will be a red herring.

>>93508130
In T'Challa's defense, Tony's idea of fixing things did lead to stuff like Wakanda getting flooded and invaded by aliens.

>>93508949
Because Bendis is a hack.

This will all just end with Cap ruining his own plans once the real Steve finishes his mental journey and goes back to normal.

>>93508381
Because Bruce isn't the only Hulk.

>>93508695
He's Elisa's beta-orbiter.

>>93508780
She already is a double-agent. You mean triple agent?

Is it just me or is this much more entertaining than CW2?

>>93508085
So who the fuck is this now?

>>93509015
Someone in HYDRA betrays Steve thanks to Viper.

>>93509080
Yeah, she has at least two fragments now. Gotta watch out for those muties.

>>93509407
My growing asshair is more entertaining then CW2.

But yes, it is not THIS bad.

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>>93508223
Goddamn, I just feel sorry for the lad.

>>93509407
Not exactly difficult when CW2 was hot fucking garbage whereas this is pretty good by Marvel event standards.

>>93509241
And then he'all die to make way for the new patriot to become the new Captain America.

>>93508336
>Red Skull tried to body snatch Steve so many goddamn times that a sentient version of him somehow remained stuck in his head
This kinda works.

>>93508186
>Herc still giving two thumbs up
Kek

I've been waiting for Ares vs Gorgon for years. First they brought him back, I started getting excited. Then they announced Secret Empire and Gorgon having a role in it, I got excited again. Then Ares appeared in Secret Warriors, I was 100% sure that it was gonna happen.
AND THEN THIS SHIT. HERC JUST ONE SHOTS THE GUY? FUCK YOU!

>>93508211
1. It's supposed to be that Wanda can only access a fraction of Chthon's power but we can't expect Brevoort to tell Spencer that, he only edited both stories.

2. Poor Wanda should never be allowed to appear in events. They are really bad for her.

3. Sorrentino's art and color is incomprehensible. I don't mind non-traditional superhero art as long as I can tell what's going on and what time of day it is.

>>93509382
Cuckthon

>>93508130
WE

>>93508629
He was working undercover for Steve by monitoring deadpool merc for money

>>93508294
Spencer is definitely thecoli's guy.

>>93508294
Looks like the feminist agenda could not win against the big Steve cock

>>93508039
>Not Poor Little Hawkguy

>Feminists confirmed as Nazis

Based Spencer was undercover all along

>>93509428

Faustus and Zola also betrayed him by brainwashing mutants to destabilise the new Tian border

>>93508402
"think"... or hope ?

>>93508046
>>93508056
How did she got captured? As in, in which issue did that happened?

>>93508085
>>93509418
I think this might be Old Man Fury, anyone got any other ideas?

>>93509700
It happened off-screen, and she clearly let herself be captured so that she could get Viper's help.

>>93509706
old man fury became the watcher in original sin way back when

>>93508324
It doesn't matter when everything is going to be asspulled in the last issue

>>93508244
So is the artists' main goal here with this really poor showing, to make me pine for the 90's? Because it is fucking working.
How is this guy on an event?
someone has to pay.

>>93509700
So much shit seems to be happening in tie in, so it might be one of them

>>93508186
>>93508281
Of all the things that don't work with Sorrentino's art in this, the fact that fully armored Tony looks flaccid and overweight is the worst for me.

>>93508170
>>93508177
>Shang-Chi

YES

>irrelevant again after three panels

Goddammit.

>>93508105
Who the hell is that stoner looking Giant-Man?

>>93508231
Is it a problem that I ship Elisa and Steve?

>>93509954
Go away, Spencer. We know that you're working through some mommy issues with this storyarc.

>>93508223
Maybe if you didn't pussy out and pick up the Ultimate Hammer you wouldn't be in this position and who gives a fuck about Jane, she betrayed you, you Cuck.

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>>93508821
>he wasnt able to lift a hammer of THORR and only UNWORTHY people can lift the hammer of THORR.

That only happened when he wanted to go all TO VALHALLA! with Hyperion, before that he was using the hammer just fine.

>>93508281
Is the AI telling someone to be careful playing around with AI?

Okay Spencer I know you wanted actual Tony I know Bendis fucked you over with CW2 but come the fuck on man.

>>93508387
All summer long baby!

>>93509940
Pym passed the mantle to a gay Arab from LA

Everybody looks like they're made of crumbling playdoh.

>>93509405
7th dimensional underwater basket weaving.

So is Black Widow and fake Hawkeye gonna kill Mockingbird or what.

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>>93509976
Mfw you just want some of that motherly love.

>>93508294
Man, this twist is going to go over BADLY with certain markets

Also, BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT THOSE TENTACLES LOOK LIKE THEY WERE PHOTOSHOPPED IN LAST MINUTE

>>93510247
nobody complaining so far except the people hoping that other people complain

>>93508206

So... why doesn't Cap just pick up Mjolnir and bullrush any asshole giving him lip? I understand that he wants to be subtle, but levelling Las Vegas was NOT subtle

I'm 100% convinced now that sorrentino is capable of drawing eyes

>>93510316
Has to be some kind of trick. HydraCap literally pussied out and ran away from T'Challa's angry skype call.

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>>93508294

>>93508913
I could argue that she got kicked out of Shield before that happened, but on the other hand the signal went out on all Shield broadcasts, so its believable that she was still keeping an eye on all that especially during the crisis they were having.

>>93508294
Is there butthurt already? I wanna see the assblasting.

>>93508855
I would say that it will end in the vision form CW2, buuuuuuuuuuuut Captain Marvel is in space, so I don't think it's possible now.

>>93508949
Synergy. Same reasons why the Guardians of the Galaxy book is cancer nowadays.

>>93510566
>Same reasons why the Guardians of the Galaxy book is cancer nowadays.

Did you even read it.

>>93508130
This is actually completely and entirely reasonable on T'Challa's behalf. Wakanda has some of the best minds on the planet and Tony should count on them as allies. Wakanda hasn't lost any battles yet, so the cube shards would be a lot safer with them.

>>93510664
>Defending Bendis guardians

>>93508223
I understand why he rejected the utimate Hammer, but I would have liked it if at least he had lift it for an issue.

>>93510721
You said "nowadays", so no, I'm not talking about Bendis's run, but rather the current one.

>>93508294
Fuckin' Feminazis!
>>93508355
Ok, anyone what to guess why Hulk is alive this time?
>>93510074
because of course he did

>>93510664
While it's really funny, it's pretty obvious that they are made to be the characters from the movies, and not the ones that created the Guardians after the Annihilation wave

>>93508177
>Quicksilver gets to play an active role in an event
>He's a selfish shitter who only cares about muh Wanda

Monkeys paw strikes again

>>93508281
After Age of Ultron, have they not learned that playing with time leads to disasters of incalculable entity?

>>93510762
Besides the current roster and Broot(tho for different reasons)... And I guess Peter's love for music... It doesn't really remind me that much of movie guardians, desu. They even kept the non-movie origins so far.

>>93510664
Of course. Did you miss the debut of 'the Ravagers' yet? I mean not even Humphries was retarded enough to called them that on his book.

>>93508310
I am glad that Spider-man is not part of this. Just stay clear Pete.

>>93508281
This reminds me... How come nobody's actually looking for the Richards? I mean, in-universe, not Ike the Kike, since he's a pretty big part of the MU.

Did Reed just remove the idea from their minds when he remade the universe or something?

>>93510680
Nevermind if Tony had JUST GIVEN him the shards, Tony would have ruined ALL of Hydra's plans right now.

Even if Cap decides to invade Wakanda for the shards, that means Cap will be overextending his reach, allowing our heroes an easier job striking back at Hydra.

>>93510887
Maybe, it seems they don't have recollection aside from Doom

>>93510824
No, they learned that going back in time and snikting Hank Pym to death is a stupid idea, they still solved everything with time-travel.

But after all this Hydra mess, these continuing betrayal, This devastation even though Miles succeeds in killing Steve, the era of heroes is over.
After this event, if I was a Marvel resident, I would never want any "super hero" around. "Stanford" was fucking nothing.

>>93510942
I was referring to what happens next. Do you remember? Wounded Reality, Galactus 616 in the Ultimate Universe, etc etc

>>93510902
>Even if Cap decides to invade Wakanda for the shards, that means Cap will be overextending his reach, allowing our heroes an easier job striking back at Hydra.

Strategically make sense. But Tony should not be a genius?

>>93511075
Tony AI is still Tony right?

It makes sense Tony wouldn't give the shards to T'Challa, because Tony is an egoistic asshole from the USA and he dun wan no gaddang handouts.

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>>93510920
Except for the whole part in ASM #3 where Peter and Johnny have a fight about Peter's purchase of the Baxter building, and he reveals that he built a statue in the families honor. He also stated that "They'll come back one day."

>>93508380
I was kind of hoping by this point in the story we would see Wanda, Vision, and Odinson break free of their mind control and try and kick Nazi Steve's ass. Not the desired result I was hoping for.

>implying these character comebacks were planned from the beginning

Hydrabird has GOT to be a mandate from upstairs.

>>93508466
like Milo without glasses.

>>93508193
Is Beast the biggest collaborator of our time?

>>93508193
>>93511392
>beast just chilling with hydracap

My inner child that grew up on X-Men: TAS is screaming... is this how Supermen fans feel whenever people discuss Snyder?

>>93508404
Bendis did absolutely nothing of worth in CWII, I dn't want to defend Spencer but considering how Bendis is about continuity it's always nice to see people blatantly ignore his bullshit like this.

But after all this, how will they come back to being friends as before?

>>93511429
Only for Beast? It's all about Marvel's universe to be assassinated. This is way Champions is the only Marvel comic book I'm buying right now. I begin to be tired of all this negativity of adult old characters.

>>93511540
I had real hopes for that book, to the point that I had included it in my pull list. I removed it by the second chapter, and I find it unlikely that it has gotten better

Also Gwenpool is better

>>93510379
kek

>>93508355
So... your big secret weapon is someone that can be defeated by Wonder Man, Herc and many others that are members of Underground? come on Marvel" stop with the lie of "Hulk is the strongest one there is", but well at least this isn't full fanservice like WWH.

>>93508294
Oh this is going to be good.

>>93511621
Sorry for you, I like it. It's funny, carefree and the characters are heroes, in their small. Also it's good to see young Scott puts his life back together, after all Old Scott Mess.

>>93511860
Old Scott never did anything wrong.

>>93508294
Lol... I knew it! it was obvious, the Undergrounds aren't very smart, they knew that Faustus controls all the SHIELD agents... why the fuck they accepted Mockingbird on the team?

>>93508294
He isn't anyone's guy anon, he's a rabid bitch, snapping at everyone.

>>93511937
That's not the point. The point is that young Scott had fallen into a crisis of identity. Right or left it does not matter.

>>93508056

Minorities to save the day HOOOO!

>>93508130
King Wewuz might seem like a dick here, but he has a point. Tony fucks up all the time, while Wakanda repels Hydra attacks successfully. It would be prudent to give them the shards even if only for safekeeping.

>>93511937
He did a lot of things wrong, otherwise he wouldn't have ended where he ended.

>>93512047
It's a universe of dicks.

>>93512032
We already know that Morales will give the Coup de grâce to Hydra Cap.

>>93512129
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if DC and Marvel heroes coexisted.

>>93512195
Terrible shit in NY while Metropolis and Gotham , yes Gotham too, are fucking eden gardens.

>>93511442
With Steve it'll be easy, he was Kobik'd. Others also have ready to go excuses: Chthon, I was hacked and MUH ASGARD. Bobbi will probably have some excuse too.
Deadpool is screwed though, everyone will go back to hating him again.

>>93512047
Yeah, but they're only going up against Zola. The second Cap has Zemo send in Graviton or decides to go over there himself with Mjolnir, things might go differently.

>>93508193
First Starro, now Hugo Strange crossed universes and took over the mutants!

>>93508223
What a dumbass.

>>93510074
>gay Arab from LA
Actually, it's a gay Indian from SF. Also, it wasn't Pym who did it. Lang did, then Jan chewed him out for it almost immediately after because the suit and name weren't Lang's to give away.

>>93510316
Because he probably can't pick it up anymore and doesn't want people to know.

>>93510887
Reed replaced all memories people had with a vague idea that "the Richards sacrificed themselves to save everybody." They don't know the specifics and it's just a cloudy vague notion that he implanted in everyone's head, but to everyone in Universe, they think they're dead with the exception of those that don't accept that and are just waiting for their return like the Powers family.

Remember that Alex Power was among the Future Foundation members that also disappeared with Reed.

>>93510974
But Marvel residents are loving the United States of Hydra.

>>93508177
>You must joking

Welcome to Marvel in 2017

>>93508096
who willingly sided with hydra besides thor and punisher? ones a god and i doubt would sit through earth hearings, and the other was already a criminal

>>93513065
Deadpool and apparently Banner?

>>93508294
Has the shitstorm started yet?

>>93512508
Nah they can't have Wakaland getting the shit kicked out of it as that would be racist or something.

>>93512508
>send in Graviton
Come to think of it, whatever happened to all those villains Zemo recruited after the Manhattan plan was finalized? Are they all working for Hydra now?

>>93512047
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Of course Tony is Tony, even if he's robo-Tony. He won't give away the shards - which is exactly what Cap counted on.

>>93510763
Thats pretty spot on pietro desu

>>93511392

Lining up the mutants to get shat on major when things roll back around. Hey if they hadn't been cunts about it maybe that wouldn't be on the horizon.

Gonna kill Nazi Sympathizer Hank I guess, shame.

>>93508193
Sorry, I stayed a little behind. The mutant community had not been reduced to about 200 specimens? I know the Phoenix has reactivated the gene and everything, but since the time passes more slowly in the comics, from that point It's not so long, so having a community it seems a bit pathetic.

At best they have an holiday village.

>>93512195
I sometimes wonder that as well in particular "who would rule Atlantis?"

>>93513396
Dude even with Marvel time it has been a while since that.

But yeah, since then, Mutants have gone back to being thousands to once again almost being extinct to again start reappearing to being in the brinck of extinction, to come back from that again and so on.

Current status: Not endangered.

>>93511788
Hercules is still a normal human, I think

>>93510312
numarvel mockingbird fans don't visit this board.

>>93513442
By the way, do Marvel Mutants know that they are not the next step in evolution? Hank knows that mutants are just an experiment of the Celestials? Mutations are so casual and absurd because these stellar action figurines wanted experience as much as possible. I often read in X-Men comic thing like "we are the next step of evolution," but that not true at all.

This art makes me feel like I owe Rob Iefield an apology.

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>>93513736
Don't.

>>93510379

10/10, would wear this.

>>93511183

When we first saw that cover, I hoped they'd be the heroes of the story, the classic Avengers returning to save the world.

Then we found out they were going to be villains. Now we're half-way through, and they're all still villains, and not even any of the tie-in books are giving them any focus.

As with War Machine in Civil War 2, they'll probably kill Vision in next year's event, because everyone expects him to die during Infinity War.

>>93508255

Fuck Spencer for pushing this trash reationship.

>>93513969
>He doesn't like Shang-Chi/Pepper

>>93508078
>What do you need me from me, then?
>>93508223
>Save Jane Foster from the pugatory where she now resides
Any other mistakes that the editors missed? The zero issue spelled "Michigan" wrong

>>93508156
The man really can't think past his own borders, can he? The big picture never occurs to him...

>>93513904
Outside of Cap wrecking a bunch of heroes, I don't even know what I want out of this story anymore.

>>93510379
Perfect

>>93513788
Sorry, it's got more charm than any thing in this entire issue, and it isn't a poser trace.

>>93508350
>>93509489

The Skull didn't still have the Steve-clone body from the late 80's?

>>93508294
>There's a traitor on the team
>It ISN'T Quicksilver
Twist of the century.

>>93513479
When did that happen?

>>93510664
this thread is just complaining by people that don't read comics anon, just look at how many people asking shit they don't understand.

Although I will be honest that it's Marvel's fault for not putting a readlist at the end of the issue

>>93513178
>>93513065
>apparently Banner
don't say shit you don't even know, we don't know how Steve will force Banner to do his bidding

>>93513479
that was retconned before Abnett's run but it seems that Spencer is ignoring that, I would call him out but I don't want a shitstorm in my hands

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>>93514389
You have Banner, a place you want smashed, and altitude. It's not rocket science.

>>93514411
I'm pretty sure he was still a normal human in Abnett's run, too. That's why he was using all those gadgets.

>>93511540
>>93511860
10/10

>>93514342
After Chaos War, he was depowered. I don't think it's been reverted yet.

>>93508186
>Hey, our friend is dying, we can always save our other friend when he's better.

>WTF, why do you hate our friend?!?

Why is Tony such a cunt?

>>93513612
Eh, hopefully down the line they'll just forget that Earth X drivel. They're TRYING to bank a bit on 90s nostalgia after all.

>>93508336
THIS
ART
IS
TERRIBLE

>>93514463
It has, he's been shown to be at full power in his solo book and Avengers.

>>93510680
This.

Tony Stark is probably one of the last persons I would trust the reality changing McGuffin. He's a professional fuck up.

>>93514557
Hey, he had the Reality Gem and only abused it in, like, one alternate Universe.

>>93514463
>>93514440
I think in the Civil War 2: Gods of War he had god powers again, he just had faggy hair.

>>93514440
The gadgets were his attempt to be a more "thinking hero" and not always punch his way through every problem. He is still a God.
>I wish they didn't cancel that last one

>>93514543
I unironically like it. Reminds me of one of my fav Dredd comics that's done in what I assume is acrylics/goache and oily crayons.

>>93513612
Being Celestial experiments and being the next step in evolution isn't contradictory. Apocalypse and later Archangel were servants of the Celestial's will and want evolution.

Should I read the Sam Wilson Cap issues before Secret Empire, or will the Steve stuff suffice?

>>93508557
>So when Trump..I mean Captain America
this is why I'm not reading anything to do with this comic.
Screw Marvel. tired of partisan shit

>>93514433
I don't remember if Zola's clones work the same as the Jackal
Do they have the memories of their death? If anything that would mean the Hulk would be terribly angry at Hawkeye and yeah, that would be a good reason to go all HULK SMASH AND KILL YOU

>>93512789
Where was this stated? I want some more details.

>>93514644
this is so fucking far gone from Trump that I don't understand how you can even see that this is bashing on Trump.

If anything you're the one making it political.

>>93514691
Like all partisans, you live in your own head.
Good luck in the future.

>>93514713
Is it? I didn't read any of it because it seemed obvious.

Maybe I'm wrong. What do you give this out of 10?

>>93514763
now I know you're only looking for a fight
Kindly fuck off

>>93514763
it's still a trash heap of a comic, but whatever Trump comparison there might be are thin at best

>>93514634
Steve stuff is enough.

>>93514808
This. Secret Empire was planned over a year ago, back when most people still didn't think Trump would get nominated, much less elected.
Stories about fascism in America existed before Trump, and will continue long after he's gone. Just look at Dark Reign, and that was done during the Obama administration.

>>93514634
>>93514828
also read Civil War: The Oath and Stand-Off if you want to understand what the fuck is going on at the start of Steve Rogers

>>93514808
I had my suspicions and felt that they were justified when a posted here said:
>So when Trump..I mean Captain America
I had skipped the whole thing because screw politics in my comics. No thanks.

Sounds like that's not the case. Thanks for kindly answering my question.

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>>93514858
>Secret Empire was planned over a year ago

>>93514323
Brubaker killed that Skull nearly a decade ago. The one that's been running around lately was a clone from the 40s that just woke up.

>>93514884
nigga, exactly a year ago Captain America Steve Rogers #2 was hitting the shelves, fresh of the HAIL HYDRA controversy

Is your sense of time that fucked up?

>>93514113
>Save Jane Foster from the pugatory where she now resides
There's nothing wrong with that phrase.

>>93514926
They missed the first 'r' in "Purgatory".

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>>93514926
>pugatory

>>93514915
A day short of exactly one year, actually, but, yeah.

>>93512047
It's also important to remember that T'Challa is one of the few people who survived the pre-Secret War multiverse. He remembers all the shit Tony pulled with the incursions.

I kind of liked this issue. It's complete dog shit, but I had a good time.

>>93508085
Wolverine?

>>93515064
Like how Tony reunited the Illuminati, built a ton of world-killing bombs with Richards, then rode his high horse to the arc that saved him and none of the people he was sworn to protect?

>Sorrentino
can i get a quick summary of what happened?

>>93515257
>Viper and Black Widow are conspiring together
>they tried to get Shang-Chi's cosmic cube fragment but Emma already got it first
>T'Challa told the Underground to fuck off
>Beast continues to be Worst Mutant
>Mockingbird is the traitor
>Steve is about to destroy The Mound and drop the Hulk on them
>Dream-Red Skull killed/captured Dream-Sam and Dream-Rick Jones

>>93515239
Nah, we already have Old Man Logan that already does everything Wolverine does, including staring in a tons of different comics

>>93508130
His proposition is sound, but comparing his comrades from years to hydra makes him look like an asshole.

>>93508926
Hive might have survived by I don't think Gorgon can tank a hit from a pissed off hercules.

>>93508949
The less they acknowledge Bendis' garbage, the better.

>>93512667
Jan is still alive? It's dumbfounding how irrelevant she is for a founding avenger.

>>93515568
She's been on the Uncanny Avengers.

>>93508206
I was expecting other writers to make Cap seem like an evil asshole, but not Spencer himself. This is a caricature of the cap from the Steve Rogers buildup run.

>>93515064
Are you sure abot that? Is not to contradict you, it's just I do not remember this thing.

>>93515683
He used the time gem to escape from the destruction of battleworld. Not sure if he went forwards in time to the new universe or backwards since he ended up at the same place he was in during the beginning of the incursions storyline.

>>93512789
>>93514703
Seconding this. Cable mentioned that they were already building statues in their honor. Have Ben and Johnny not said anything about them since they dissapeared?

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>>93515798
>Have Ben and Johnny not said anything about them since they dissapeared?
Oh, they have.

>>93515922
>93515922
This is from infamous Iron man? Seems pretty good for Bendis.

>>93508355
Honestly Steve wielding Mjolnir, Blackout and Graviton seem like they would work better as "secret weapons" than the hulk.

>>93515922
> I miss my family and I want to go home
Fuck man. That hit me hard

>>93515568
she is currently trapped on the Darkforce Dimension along with all the other Unity Squad except Pietro

>>93514463

The previous time he was made mortal, in the 1990s, he reverted to his normal power levels after writers just forgot, so there's precedent for that happening.

>>93516013
> At the climax of SE, Steve will try to wield Mjolnir as a last resort.

> He won't be able to lift it because of Good Steve within him.

>>93514915
It's to do with your Shatner's Bassoon, the part of your brain that handles time perception.

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>>93515981
Bendis is good at pulling on the F4 heart-strings.

>>93508402
Glad I'm not the only one who got that impression.

>>93509706
Old Man Fury's on the Moon, dude. He occasionally pops up in Thor comics and the like, but he's mostly been written out.

>>93516484
what's that
>good steve
I'm hearing about? Separate entity from other timeline/universe/some shit stuck in his mind, or a metaphor for his conscience?

>>93517137
>hearing about
Are you just... not reading the comic despite being in a thread about reading and discussing the comic? Him: >>93508311

And yes, it's likely symbolic for the remnants of 616 Steve in Captain Hydra trying to get free.

>>93516612
pretty weird he gets bags under his eyes when he's made of rock

are they always there?
his power set is an interesting one to think about logically, so many potential ways to go with it

>>93512047
Wakanda has to succeed every time. HYDRA only has to succeed once.

>>93508402
Somebody needs to replace the dialogue from these pages with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXmbqiR1Wj8

>>93517250
Sorry, I mostly read dc, only tangentially following SE in storytime threads, have skipped a lot. I had no clue what that was.

>>93510376

I think that was because he was outed as being a hypocrite and humiliated when T'Challa pointed out that Zola led multiple incursions into Wakanda and got his ass kicked every time. This was just before when Steve was browbeating everyone and telling him that any slights against Hydra would not go unpunished and that Hydra would never strike first and doesn't need anything from anyone, which, by what T'Challa showed, was an blatant lie.

>>93512701

We don't know that, we just have to assume that he's not trying to be a lazy cunt about everything and just THOR everyone to subservience.

>>93510379
Someone needs to tweet this to either Marvel or Spencer

>>93517747
>This was just before

After, god dammit, after.

>>93508056
What did Natasha do to Viper?

>>93508193
Remember: a separate mutant nation is the OPPOSITE of Xavier's dream. They're just the fucking brotherhood now.

>>93508170
why not just let Tony handle it? the guy is a damn AI after all

>>93518464
Magneto and Emma are pretty happy with it tho. And Beast's moral compass has been spinning like a motherfucker since he joined the iluminati.

>>93518464

It's been this way since Utopia, anon. But this time they have a human population to discriminate against and oppress.

>>93518570
When Magneto took over Genosha, he had the decency to deport all the humans.

>>93518608

Didn't he fight a civil war against them? Weren't the X-Men evacuating humans from the island in the storyline just before the Sentinels destroyed Genosha?

>>93518543

>Mutant-supremacists are happy with being given their own nation to run.

Who saw this coming?

>>93518649
The humans were evacuated pretty much immediately after he took power. Genosha's problem was the legacy virus, which Colossus fixed, and the X-Men went in there to prevent Magneto from using his freshly 100%-cured population to start a war.

>>93509444
yeah I dunno what thor did to piss marvel off so much.

>>93518751

Anon, there was an issue where Exodus impersonated Magneto, and tried to make the human and mutant populations live in peace.

And when Magneto was trying to start a war, Cyclops and Wolverine went into the sewers and met the human resistance fighters. Polaris was helping the humans evacuate then.

>>93510376
I mean that's Wakandan plot armor, let's be honest.

>>93511100
I think it's legit to be wary of T'challa at this point, dude hasn't been well.

>>93518570
Two of the x-men's worst enemies who infiltrated the team right when they abandoned their morals and goal are happy? What a fucking shock.

>>93508115
Killing Las Vegas is in no way legal

>>93519085

Everything's legal in Vegas, anon.

>>93508121
The cosmic cube fragments aren't Macguffins. They serve a purpose beyond their relevance to the plot. Scott strikes me as the kind of person who's lost too much time to that site and should know the proper definition.

>>93508096
Steve took over legally, and many seemed really happy about being ruled by Hydra. He can be tried for his crimes at las Vegas but he didn't topple the government, he used its own workings to ascend to where he is.

>>93518649
Precisely. Shit went to hell over there when Sinister turned off mutant powers all over the globe.

>>93508139
Who's hydrarro controlling? Hand ninja?