Superman

>>93482369
communism

>>93482369
Both, they had an unstable core but Braniac hid it from everyone/they trusted him.

>>93482369
It's better as self inflicted destruction and not some super villain plot.

>>93482369
Kryptonian hubris.

>>93482411
This. Brainiac killing everyone through inaction is really interesting.

I prefer the Earth one explanation.

Brainiac hiding the unstable core for personal reasons (He had obtained all known kryptonian knowledge, he resented Jor-El and so on) makes for an interesting taking though Kryptonian hubris could also play apart in that as well ("We built the damn Robot, why would it lie to us? it says everything is fine, so its fine")

Course I'm sure in the next couple of reboots Doomsday did it will be the canon reason.

>>93482369
The Guardians sat back and let it happen.

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>>93482369
> What is your preferred explanation for Krypton's destruction

none, Krypton still there Superman mother and father just hated him and just wanted to get rid of him.

I like the Stas version. It made brainiac superman's Joe chill.

>>93482611
>Captain Hero

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>>93482636

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iIx2LMDilM

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>>93482369
Galactus

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>>93482369
I like the idea of a natural disaster best. It plays more into the theme of some things being beyond mortal control but having hope in the face of hopelessness anyway. The El's, helpless to stop the impending disaster or convince others, still do whatever little they can and send their one son on a dangerous and unsure journey to a life different than what he'd know. He lands with a good family and knows a good life, but only because his birth parents never gave up. They did the most they could do. They kept hope alive.

Braniac just seems like another "muh hubris" story when he's Kryptonian invented. When he's an alien from somewhere other than Krypton, it seems even less thematic or connected.

Supes doesn't need that angst of punching something that killed his planet. He already has every reminder than even as super as he is, he's still a mortal and still can't do everything. He can't stop heart attacks. He can't stop every natural disaster. He can't convince everyone to do good. He can't do it all. But he'll always do his best.

Maybe I'm just a simple person. But I don't think it needs to be any more complicated than that.

>>93482369
Climate change made the core unstable

The kryptonians had ample time to come up with solutions but a majority of them didnt believe it was happening and those who did believe it got scrutinized for trying to create solutions to something that was fake and propagated by the daxamites.

>>93482768
Yes. If comics need one thing right now, it's more hamfisted real world, topical political commentary.

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>>93482945
I'm glad you agree, anon.

>>93482369
Kind of a combination of the STAS origin and the typical comics origin.

Brainiac tends to destroy planets after collecting samples from them, because the knowledge he gains is more valuable if he's the only one who has it.

However, after stealing Kandor, Brainiac is repelled by Kryptonian forces before he can destroy the planet.

He realizes that the planet will soon die on its own, anyway, due to its unstable core. Before parting, he infects Krypton's instruments with a virus that would make this instability undetectable and make all readings appear as normal.

I mean, I guess the thing about the destruction of Krypton is that it's kind of hard to believe that only one scientist on an entire planet would be aware that the planet was in danger, when science is done through replication and verification and peer review and all that. If Jor-El were correct, anybody could repeat the exact same process he did and be likely to come to the same conclusion.

Also, what exactly makes a planet explode? Planets aren't massive enough to have nuclear reactions that would cause novas to occur in their cores. Some continuities make it Krypton's sun (Rao) that does the planet in instead, the expansion of the old star making the planet uninhabitable or even engulfing it, but I dunno... even though it's more plausible, the image of Kal-El's rocket fleeing a planet that is crumbling to bits is just too cool and iconic, and having the planet swallowed by a star just doesn't have the same imagery. Also, without the planet exploding, it's hard to explain where that kryptonite came from.

I guess I'd just gloss over the science and just be like "yeah, it exploded and nobody knew it would, that's totally a thing that could happen."

But it's harder to accept the implausible than it is the impossible. I can turn a blind eye to the science, but how do I explain literally every scientist in the world except for one not seeing it coming?

>>93482768
I don't mind political commentary, but this seems a little on-the-nose... plus, what does the climate have to do with the interior of the planet? There is no "climate" happening down there. "Climate" is a phenomenon that pertains to the atmosphere.

Did krypton have an unusual core made out of molten uranium or something?

An unstable core would probably cause devastating volcanic and seismic activity, but not blow up a planet, at worst, it'd start crumbling away.

>>93483020
Sounds like a personal problem m8

>>93482369
I like to think the kryptonians brought it in themselves (in whatever form) makes superman's role as earths champion more compelling

>>93483020
>Also, what exactly makes a planet explode? Planets aren't massive enough to have nuclear reactions that would cause novas to occur in their cores.
BOMBS are massive enough to explode. A planet with a core of radioactive material achieving critical mass is very plausible thing (Well, the explosion at least. How that planet got made is an entirely different thing).

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>what really killed the kryptonians
>ME

>>93483225
>Well, the explosion at least

Absolutely not. The purity needed for an actual explosion would be impossible to achieve naturally, especially one powerful enough to blow the entire planet to bits. Earth has lots of radioactive material but none of it just spontaneously explodes. Violently powerful nuclear reactions happen in stars, not planets.

Krypton blowing up would have to be the work of some kind of superscience device or a massive geo-engineering project or something.

I prefer the idea of a kryptonian empire, something that expands and connects with other planets, because in the mythos of DC, krypton is always alone, never interacting with other parts (green lanterns and shit like that) I like the idea of them expanding into the galaxies and still having the cultural/religion of Rao that brings them to a festival in Krypton and them they are attacked by their enemies that blow up their planet. Also, Brainiac still does get Kandor because he wants to have it in his collection (I like the Brainiac more robotic and caring about his collection more than the evil one, superman sucks haha).

I studied geology, planets do not just blow up, kryptonians being advanced in science would not ignore and it still wouldn't happen so fast without giving lots and lots of examples that the planet will blow up.

I still prefer the Brainiac one before natural shit. But my favorite is still Earth One.

>>93482411
This one. Also, I like Brainiac as a Kryptonian computer gone rogue.

>>93483068
How about abuse of hydraulic fracturing poluting the atmosphere and the soil and unknown to most, destabilising the crust and affecting the core?

I've never even heard of this Braniac shit.

Kryptonians are flawed- complacent, decadent, and arrogant- which leads to their downfall. And yet despite both his flawed ancestry and his flawed adopted species, Superman manages to take the best of both of them and be Superman.

>>93482369
>>93482599
This.

I liked the idea that while the Guardians are a sort of peacekeeping corps, they don't have the power to go toe to toe with the whole universe. There are loads of minor worlds and little empires, but then there were the big leagues Universal Superpowers. The Early Martians, Krypton, The Reach, Thanagar, etc. All these nations are serious Empires.

>Krypton was a top tier power. Combining their intrinsic powers, where they had tailored their own genetics to use solar energy to become nearly unstoppable, and their technology
>Huge power, expansionist, lots of vassals
>But reaches the level of a stagnant ascendancy. Krypton itself is so luxuriously advanced that its people live a life of decadent luxury.
>Krypton such a major power that its constantly being courted for support in intergalactic wars and disputes.
>Isolationist sentiments on the rise, Krypton eventually simply decides its empire serves it no purpose and retreats inward.
>Science council deliberately creates the Red Sun weakness to depower its population to avoid individual nutters from causing mass destruction
>No one dares poke the sleeping Dragon
>Krypton eventually regresses back after million s of years of a taboo on scientific innovation and space travel

I liked the idea of Krypton essentially being an allegory for Rome. It reached previously unthinkable levels of power and development, but eventually stagnation and indolence caused it fade. Now its just a legend, but a powerful one - its why intergalactic nations and warlords still shit themselves when faced with a Kryptonian - because they remember the ancient stories of when Krypton was the most powerful "nation" in the universe.

>>93483461
Oh no. If only the planet had some natural mechanism to separate elements and isotopes by mass, some sort of Planetary Differentiation, if you will, where the heaviest material is concentrated in the center while the lighter stuff is pushed out...

Nuclear fission does not occur in stars at all, so they're irrelevant to the discussion. Earth has something like one millionth of its mass contained in radioactive materials. We're talking about a planet which would have something like a third of its mass be radioactive. A radioactive mass of that size igniting is not hard to imagine.

>>93483989
As for how Krypton was destroyed, I think a good explanation would be that when Krypton had gone isolationist, they'd been using mining techniques that harvested materials from their own core, not intending to mine forever but to eventually harvest new planets. But the dangers were forgotten about/covered up by a zealous isolationist who wanted to avoid Krypton returning to the stars in search of new resources. The unwanted material, a synthetic compound (Kryptonite) settled at the core the planet. Eventually, after a few million years, the concentration of Kryptonite was reaching critical mass.

Here's where you can involve the Guardians. The Guardians were aware of the problem, and faced a choice. If they warned the Kryptonians, it would mean that the sleeping dragon would be awakened and forced to leave its lair. Krypton would fire up its engines and go in search of a new home. The return of a Superpower that could rival the GLC and Guardians could threaten the fragile peace.

So they chose to keep quite, and as the final days of Krypton approached, they arranged for a distraction for the sectors GL.

>>93482945
Oh, but an entire planet refusing to believe their world was going to blow up (depending on the story, in some cases specifically due to their own foolish actions like mining the core of the planet until it became unstable), even when one of their head scientists showed them proof is fine? How dense are you?

>>93483461

Krypton consists of elements that are entirely unknown on Earth.

Brainiac.

>>93483902
I think it originated from the cartoon, and since then Brainiac has at times been turned into someone who didn't just steal and bottle cities but also destroyed the original planets they came from.

>>93484063
>Oh, but an entire planet refusing to believe their world was going to warm up (depending on the story, in some cases specifically due to their own foolish actions like burning fossil fuels and pumping out other GHG), even when their entire scientific community showed them proof is fine? How dense are you?

>>93482369
How many of you fuckers actually read World of Krypton?
I prefer that explanation, ie. a bomb from their Civil War caused the destabilization of the core

>>93482587
It's pretty much the only good excuse for everyone ignoring Jor-El's warnings.

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>>93484106
Not the anon you're quoting
What exactly are you trying to prove with this greentext?

It kinda sounds like you're supporting the original post but the greentext implies you're mocking the guy you quoted but that guy was arguing that complaining about politics was dumb since its specifically what lead to krypton's demise

>>93482393
This, Krypton's demise is a warning for America to stop radical and violent Socialist.

Unfortunately it looks as if history is doomed to repeat itself.

>>93484156
Point I was making was that I think its entirely plausible for a society to ignore the warnings of its expert elite if it suites it.

Jor-El was a top scientist, but he was also just one man. He goes to the science council with his findings and presents it. No one wants the believe it, and it sounds impossible. The politicians listen to a few yes men who say what they want to hear and tell the population that there is nothing to worry about. A few might believe them and try and get something going. But its too little to late.

I was just pointing out that given the case we have IRL, with the ENTIRE scientific community in consensus, not just one man, and there are still plenty of people happy to deny and ignore the problem.

>>93484150
>Blinded by a YELLOW FLASH of light

>>93482945
But that's almost exactly what it is without Brainiac being involved, even it isn't intentional.

>>93482369
I really don't like that they make Krypton's destruction contemporary. Stuff like the GL failing to save them is dumb. Krypton should be like the universe's Atlantis, a mystical city that left powerful relics and is a study in hubris.

It would be cool to see some aliens land on earth and lose there minds that a kyptonian is there.

Daxamites should be the weaker distance cousins of Kypton, maybe decended from exiles? No one believes that until Superman reappears and the data show that.

Kandor should be a city preserved by the Kryptonians as a last ditch effort and then collected later by Brainiac who reverse's the tech and starts doing it to other places.

>>93482611
>none, Krypton still there
Robot Chicken gots you covered.

https://youtu.be/bXiwy34N-h4

First the sun started acting up, but it's too slow to do anything. Then the core pressure started to build, but Jor-El manages to vent it. Then an asteroid starts coming at them, so Zod blows it up with missiles. Brainiac steals Kandor because this planet is having too many close calls lately. Then the government tosses the phantom zone projector into the core creating a chain reaction blowing the planet up.
Last Days of Krypton by Kevin J. Anderson. It was alright.

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>>93482742
I feel you Anon. Good stuff.

>>93482369
At the core, something natural like unstable core
We can layer it with incompetent Senate, Brainiac hiding it, like >>93482742

>>93482369
The original - unstable core ignored by the ruling classes.