What went wrong?

>>93478121

Probably the moment Nickelodeon greenlit "Legend of Korra." It all went downhill from there.

>>93478121
Ruining and killing your best villain in the first season

Shitty main characters with zero charisma.

>>93478121
Shit MC, Killing the best villain from the start, the cherry on top was the faggot shit at the end.

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>>93478121
Same problems with the Star Wars prequels:

Characters who aren't likable, and have zero chemistry with each other.

What little we did know about the lore was either downplayed, ignored, or completely contradicted.

Too much time spent on unimportant side characters and subplots, instead of focusing on the main story they wanted to tell.

>>93478121
It's been two and a half years and people are still butthurt over the ending.
I'd say everything went perfectly right.

>>93478121
The fact that all seasons were not connected by a great story, presenting main villains one after another with little unconnected plots. Clearly the creators had no reason to belive it would survive more than 1 season.

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>>93478121
nothing /co/ just likes to cry about there headcanon

They built up 3 pretty great villains; Amon, Zaheer, and Kuvira; but they couldn't handle a world of moral ambiguity where the villains have a point. All of those villains started off very well written, but became flanderized into absurdity. They needed to make Amon a evil blood bender with petty aims of domination, instead of sticking with the very interesting conflict and inequality between benders and non-benders, which gets completely forgotten and never really resolved. They needed to make Zaheer a person who liked chaos for the sake of chaos, instead of someone who accepted the inevitable chaos as a necessary evil because he valued individual liberty and freedom from autocrats. They needed to make Kuvira have civilian targeted WMDs and concentration camps, because it was so apparent that her conquest of the Earth Kingdom was not an unambiguously bad thing.

>>93478387
>downplayed, ignored, or completely contradicted.
things that didn't happen

>>93478121
The creators bought into their own hype about The Last Airbender and ate up all the praise about how mature TLA was.

So with their inflated egos (and without the input of the other writers who worked on TLA) they made a new more "mature" Avatar show that focused on complex characters (that they wrote poorly), social issues (that they half assed), romance (that they bungled, everyone hates Mako) and world building (don't get m started on the shit they pulled with Rava the white spirit/god of goodness/light and Vaatu the black spirit/god of evil/darkness).

>>93478121
Im only one who thinks they fucked up when they didnt give continuity on the "anti-avatar" thing? Immean, having an anti-avatar that is reborn as the avatar, as his nemesis, and also controls the 4 bendings would make an awesome story.

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>>93478121
nice to see 2 korra threads

>>93478121
she wasn't even white, just some shade of brown thats most likely to get a unwarrented stop n frisk.

i think the katara actress in the movie is better suited.

Pandering.
That's it, really.

>>93478121
>>93478703
What went right: the porn

What went wrong: everything else.

From everything I heard Bryke lost a writer from ATLA who it turned out was restraining a lot of their shittier ideas.

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>>93478121

Nothing went wrong. The show was fine. This shitty meme has to end.

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>>93479074
>Nothing went wrong

>>93479097

Really proud of that pasta, huh?

>>93479074

Korra sucked bro

you haveta deal with it!

>>93478441
this

>>93478121
I haven't cum to her in the last month, that's what's wrong
Time to fix that

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>>93479131
>nothing went wrong

Season 1 was acceptably good, if a little disappointing in it's resolutions with Amon and the Equalists

Season 2 was absolute horseshit. Unalaq was a terrible Scar-esque villain with no amount of nuance or subtlety to him at all, even to the standards of a regular kids show and not coming off the back of something as good as ATLA and S1 Korra. The whole mythos expansion of the Avatar was a hot fuckin mess. The idea of a Nega-Avatar was retarded, and the revelation of the Avatar's power source being some big spirit character was awful because it's one of those asspulls that has no basis in previous continuity. A small complaint in the grand scheme of things, but Wan's episodes were bad with the whole Lion Turtle retcon as well. It just felt like Bryke didn't give a shit about what the set out in the original series and just wanted to up the ante and make the show "bigger" despite the lack of flow with the original series. The biggest kicker of all though has to be Korra completely losing her connection to the previous Avatars, which is really just spitting in the face of all the fans imo. You take away the one cool factor and the one solid hypable connection to ATLA, Aang and Roku and Kyoshi and all the previous Avatars being Korra's guide.

From there it was just unrecoverable. S3 returned to form somewhat to season 1 but the consequences laid out from S2 made everything trash. S4 was worse although not completely devoid of quality, Metal Hitler Mary Sue just wasn't that great a villain like Amon or even Zaheer.

>>93479441
I think the biggest overall mistake they made was making the books disconnected and not having an overarching plot or villain. In theory they maybe could have handled Nega-Avatar better and maybe that would actually work but they just blew their whole shitty load in S2. ATLA had it's share of one-dimensional villains like Zhao and Ozai, but Zhao was just warm up material for Aang in season 1 and to serve as a foil for Zuko, while Ozai didn't need depth because of what Zuko and to a slightly lesser extent Azula brought to the table. He served as a background antagonist but wasn't pulled from thin air like Vaatu, and it actually served his character well by basically hyping his confrontation with Aang.

Really the only word to describe Korra is "disappointing". I didn't even get into the bad characterizations of the side characters and how trashy the whole love triangle and out-of-thin-air look-how-progressive-we-are lesbian resolution was.

>>93478499
Metalbending is done by bending impurities in the metal, which is why platinum (god that was fucking stupid) is unbendable.

In S3 they metalbend liquid metal (mercury in all but name) into Korra. How. It's a liquid. It doesn't have solid impurities.

>>93478121
Legend of Korra abandoned the religious symbolism and myths that made the original show good for the spectacle of half baked sci-fi ideas like mechs, gadgets, and giant lasers. Korra herself was a terrible Avatar because she didn't know how to handle the complex realities of the rapidly evolving world.

>>93479563
>Metalbending is done by bending impurities in the metal
that is never actually said in ATLA. And if that was true, Toph wouldn't be able to do even half of her bullshit, like creating a goddamn armor around her 'using only impurities'.

Most likely, metalbending does use impurities, but it actually bends the entire thing around it.

>>93479570
>complex realities
There was nothing complex about any of the problems presented. Season 2 and 3 had people who inherited power and abused it like the Fire Nation from AtLA. Season 1 was somebody telling people to turn on their neighbor because there neighbor is evil.
The only complex one was season 4 because of how the incompetent people in power let it get that far and actively stirred the pot to have it boil over.

>>93479711
It's impurities. They never said it in AtLA but they definitely do in LoK. The mechas were the dumbest shit and very tonally inconsistent with the setting, they traded an Eastern mythology aesthetic for hackneyed steampunk sci fi.

And that still doesn't explain why mercury can be bent but platinum can't.

The proliferation of metalbending in LoK took away the whole appeal of it, like half of the earthbenders introduced know how to metalbend. They took something that was cool and made it lame.

>>93478121
Female protagonist.

The biggest meme currently infecting comics, cartoons, movies, and video games. I dont know how many flops it will take for people to realize this. Especially when you got male writers doing it, Korra was a horrendously written character.

>>93479835
And yet, Korra managed to be more incompetent than all of them.

>>93479871
The males were horrendously written as well.

>>93479841
>they definitely do in LoK
I believe they only said that "it was a metal so pure that they couldn't bend it". It doesn't really make much sense to be only bending impurities; most likely they are just a prerequisite to bend the metal itself. Otherwise Toph would break the metal, not bend it.

I think i should also point out that when Katara's "water tentacles" are cut, she loses control of the part that was cut. Most likely there is a 'flow of chakra' going through the entire material that she is bending. The same logic could be aplied to metal. If only little pieces of impurity could be moved, it would be impossible to actually bend the metal. There should be some sort of 'flow' going on.

>that still doesn't explain why mercury can be bent but platinum can't.
It's not stated to be mercury either. It is just said to be metallic.. but anyway, the platinum would be 'more pure than that liquid metal', if that makes sense to you (it doesn't, but anyway). It's not like liquid metal doesn't have impurities.

>The proliferation of metalbending in LoK took away the whole appeal of it
I would say, more of the ATLA comics's fault in this case, i believe. According to the comics any moron could do it. But LoK did fuck up lightning as well.

>>93478121

She was a bad protagonist. Like a bad human being.

>>93480009
Yeah but they werent the main characters. If your starring character is terrible it's difficult to have the rest of the cast pick up the slack.

>>93479711
It was illustrated by juxtaposing it with Pathik's speech of how metal is just refined and purified earthm and showing Toph detecting the traces of earth still left within the metal. The conclusion you're meant to draw is that she is indeed bending the earth left within around it to move the rest of the metal the way she wants to.

If the "liquid metal" is seriously mercury and not some other made up fantasy metal, there is seriously no way for them to bend it under that first established rule.

And by outright stating that the metal that most of the mechs in Korra use is platinum, they actually shot themselves in the foot by naming one of the heaviest metals to use on a machine that needs to be able to move itself, that naturally and easily forms metal alloys with carbon and is hard to find in nature as "pure".

>>93479057
His name is Aaron Ehasz. He was the best writer on Mission Hill and the head writer on Avatar. He probably would have made all of Korra about Benders and Equalists.

>>93480135
>The conclusion you're meant to draw is that she is indeed bending the earth
The conclusion is that she can feel the earth inside it, not that she is moving it. We don't even actually see it moving. And again, Toph was shown more than once bending metal in ways that would be impossible to do considering how little earth there is in it.

And it's not stated to be mercury. We call it plot metal. And as you said, not even platinum on LoK is actual platinum... or at least if it is, it's a very big plot hole. Platinum is not actually useful to build anything; a normal mecha is out of quesiton, and a giant mecha would colapse on itself. Platinum is too flexible. But hey, they put a bipedal mecha in a world that didn't even invent computers.

>>93478121
female main character

>>93478121
Rewatched it recently.

I think it's actually much better on a second viewing more closely together.

Last time I saw it was when it was airing.

>>93480186
>He probably would have made all of Korra about Benders and Equalists.
Ehasz wouldn't be that stupid since the solution to the Equalist and Benders question was already found in season 3 of AtLA when Sokka trains with Piandao.

>>93480248
I agree that they never outright state that it's mercury being bent. They come very close to it though, since it's a poisonous liquid metal that has the silvery appearance that mercury does. That it's never confirmed word for word is what saved them from making it a plot hole.

But LoK specifically namedrops platinum as the go-to metal for an "unbendable" metal mecha, which makes no sense either construction-wise or metallurgy-wise, because platinum is too heavy for such large equipment and is not likely to be found or easily kept pure.

>>93478146

First post, best post.

>>93478121
Season 2.
that about it.

>>93478121
No lesbian sex on screen.

Every season except 3.

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>>93478121
anything after season 1 is garbage

it should have been a one season show


>Amon could have saved us all

>>93478121
You

>>93478121
Season 1 ending was shit and season 2 just flushed all the good will it had left down the fucking toilet

>>93478121
Eveything, since start it was going to fail without actual ATLA writers.

>>93478207
Cant blame anyone except Nickelodeon for that since LoK was only supposed to be one season and asked for more far too late into production to change anything.

Same reason why season 2 was such a mess.

>>93478121
The main character is a abusive piece of crap.
The first avatar was an adorable bald kid with silly friends.

>>93478121
Absolutely everything.
>Retcons to Avatar mythos
>Addition of the midi chlorian (Rava) of the series
>Wasting of a perfectly good villain (Amon)
>Adding a completely shit villain for second season whose logic was so alien even bona fide aliens are baffled by his logic
>The expendables were also a one season wonder
>Same with Kuvira the great
>Korra goes from angry teenager to angry dyke
>Soap opera tier human relations
>Korra unites the spirit world and real world because herpa doo, why not? It's not like her ten thousand year old counter part saw what life was like when humans and spirits lived together AND EVEN SHOWED IT TO KORRA

These came off the top of my head.

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Korra was the main character.

Though really there were too many main characters anyway, so there's a lot of "we need something for them to do" scenes and moments.

>>93478641
But he wouldn't have controlled the 4 elements just by virtue of Vaatu being a part of him.

The reason Wan/Raava could control the 4 elements instead of one is because four different lion turtles granted the ability to Wan and Raava was there to help Wan physiologically bear the stress of harnessing more than one element at a time. Unalaq was merely a waterbender when fused with Vaatu and thus the "Dark Avatar" never controlled the four elements. We see this in the final battle where Unavaatu was only using waterbending-based abilities (in addition to dark mumbo jumbo magic)

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>>93479563
>>93479711

They absolutely touch on metalbending being just earthbending the impurities within the metal. They do this at the inception of metalbending when Toph is in the metal holding cell.

The scene of her 'seismic sense' vision of the impurities in the metal is voiced over by Guru Pathik who says "Even metal is just a part of earth that has been purified and refined."

It's beyond implicit in my opinion. Since its inception, it's clear that metalbending is done by bending the impurities within the metal and not the metal itself.

>>93478121
Korra was supposed to be a western Lina Inverse, but they forgot to add the competence that justifies the ego.

>>93478121
The fact that Korra cried at the end of the first season and got everything handed to her on a silver platter was annoying as fuck.

Would have been better to end it on a cliffhanger and the thought of some overall arc for her to get her powers back by becoming more spiritual and then undoing all the crap Amon did.

>>93485448
would've made the whole of season 1 way better

>>93480135
>they actually shot themselves in the foot by naming one of the heaviest metals to use on a machine that needs to be able to move itself, that naturally and easily forms metal alloys with carbon and is hard to find in nature as "pure"

It's a cartoon man. A cartoon where people can control the elements. Just because you know a lot about platinum doesn't mean it's any more ludicrous then other shit in the show. You remind me of this one guy who sperged out about shooting lightning being used as a superpower since lightning always just finds the quickest way to the ground.