You fuckers going to buy Generations and Legacy or what?

>>93473374
Marvel can be globalist racists elsewhere for all I fucking care - the only title I still read is Slott's Spider-Man.

>>93473374
Ill read it on /co/ for free like everyone else here.

>>93473374
I haven't looked forward to a comic this bad for a long time
I mean Doomsday Clock, not Legacy

>Buy Marvel
AHAHAHAHAHA... Oh, you're serious?

>>93473374
It's still all the same shitheads, right? Why the fuck would anyone care about these things?

>>93473374
Butthurt bigots so assblasted marvel changed went to other companies they wouldn't even try before.

Mentall illness.

I only buy comics after reading them here.

None of the publishers deserve the kind of trust that a blind purchase would require.

>>93473397
So what you're saying is you're still part of the problem.

I don't care about the diversity shit mostly, and I think >>93473397 is one of these /x/phile tier idiots in particular, but I still have fuck all interest in 95% of Marvel's line-up.

There's no creative change-up on Legacy, almost nothing has a decent hook, there's no indication of stuff that might make me interested in what they've got again.

If Legacy is a success I fully expect them to do like, Memorial or some shit within a year.

>>93473374
Hell fucking no, I honestly feel like by next year for the first fucking time I'll have no marvel on my pull list

>>93473374
>Signing up for Doomsday clock
You idiots never learn

>>93473397
This has to be bait.

>>93473374
Only yourselves to blame Marvel.
And you can't burn it down and still win like you did in the 90's. DC isn't the same shit show it was then.

>>93473410

I havent read shit free recently. Someone needs to start storytiming old good stuff more often. Shove the new stuff.

>>93473503

>company changes
>buy someone elses product instead

Seems right anon. I dont see where the butt blasted comes in.

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what happened now? did marvel killed another hero just to replace him with a brave black girl or something and their sales flopped again?

>>93473612

Comic store owner I think talking about the new push from marvel called legacy. And how no one wants it. Mostly it seems to be homages to comic covers with more of the same garbage they did recently inside.

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>>93473374
Ultimates ending so I'm only buying Captain Marvel now.

>>93473601
Maybe when Hijewki reduces the cool down for posts again, I honestly enjoyed storytoming the couple of times I did it but I'll be dammed if I have to spend two days posting pictures

>>93473374
But Marvel totally changed everything with their announcement last week?

>>93473552
>If Legacy is a success I fully expect them to do like, Memorial or some shit within a year.
After seeing how Marvel's been inflating numbers with Diamond, I think Legacy will be a "success" on all fronts except critical reception.

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>>93473612
>what happened now?
Marvel released the Legacy lineup and it's the exact same lineup we have right now except with a new Moon Night and Human Torch/Thing comics as well has homage covers.

>>93473374
I'll keep buying GOTG and Ultimates, but that's about it.

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>>93473650
They literally changed the entire comic industry!

>>93473677
Also a new Midnight Sons (essentially).

Plus Sam's going back to being Falcon and Ultimates may be cancelled.

>>93473722

arent like half of those guys already dead and replaced by political correct versions of them?

>>93473658
Nah. The critics will fall in line like the good little shills that they are.

>>93473742
No? Pretty sure that's the current lineup, even.

>>93473374
Ryan, stop posting screenshots of your every new tweets here, this shilling is getting really out of hand.

I wish there was a way to separate legitimate discussion and criticism of Marvel comics from retarded /pol/ type shitposting.

>>93473742
Tony is still in a coma and Thor is still unworthy

>>93473650
>>93473722
I know that Marvel advertises everything they do as being the Next Big Thing and will change the Marvel Universe forever, but to say that they're changing the face of the comic book industry?

That takes balls.

>>93473797
Just don't respond to it famalamborghini.

>>93473722
>ghost rider is there but not nova

Fuck this gay shit.

>>93473778

last time I read a marvel comic was when

>thor was a girl
>ironman a black girl
>miss marvel a dyke
>hulk chinese
>cyclops was kill
>captain america was hydra or something
>spiderman was black

>>93473722
I'm still in shock...I nearly had a heart attack. Nothing will be the same...except everything.

>>93473677
>new Moon Knight
Why? They are going to ruin it.

>>93473825
And it's funny when it turns out all it was was largely homage covers.

>>93473825
They've graduated from CHANGING MARVEL UNIVERSE FOREVER to CHANGING THE INDUSTRY FOREVER.

>>93473612
See >>93473722
Marvel announced something that would literally the entire comic industry.

Said thing was variant covers and a few new books.

Needless to say, some were not impressed.

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>>93473797
Go back to your safe space faggot

>>93473835
I think Marvel's aware that most readers don't want Sam, but this company refuses to ever admit they're wrong about anything

>>93473797

Get politics out of the comics and you wont see political responses to politics. We should all just ignore Marvel for 12-18 months.

>>93473836
So you've never read comics? Fuck off.

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>>93473836
>miss marvel
Way to reveal yourself as a casual.

>>93473397
>not reading Silver Surfer
wtf

>>93473374
Damn, some of his other tweets.

>There's a retailer call with Marvel later this week about Generations. They've got a huge uphill battle to sell us on this.
>Marvel creators, retailers NEED to know what's going on with Generations/Legacy. The messaging from Friday is so confusing.
>I'll accept DMs from anyone, and won't say a word publicly. I'm super worried here.

>Marvel forcing retailers to literally beg just to find out what the fuck they're doing

>>93473857
Exactly my point.
What's better is that the press release they put out to advertise their reveals on Friday was the same press release they would post alongside the revealed books. They were so lazy that they didn't even try to make a second press release.

>>93473920
They are sticking their fingers in their ears and going LALALALALALA CANT HEAR YOU.

>>93473890
But some of the best Marvel and DC comics of all time have been highly political.

>>93473920
>>93473985
Anybody have the screencaps from Higgins talking about the differences between the Marvel and DC retailer forums?

Because that says enough about the situation in itself.

>>93473722
Anyone have the shot of Slott complaining about BleedingCool exaggerating things when they only used Marvel's own words in the press release?

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>>93473920

>>93473995

No they covered topics that would be considered political. These comics cover people who consider themselves political and make every attempt to avoid discussing reality they can.

They are sjw cancer and you know it.

https://twitter.com/graemem/status/879443468963139584

>I’ve lost track. Are we at the backlash to the backlash against Secret Empire yet, or have we passed that and headed into utter apathy?

>Considering the series seems apathetic itself at the moment and has turned into a macguffin chase, I think apathy is fair. I didn't hate the Hanktron stuff though.

>Barely anyone talks about it anymore. Fell into the memory hole

>>93473410
Marvel is not even worth reading free, let alone pirating. Waste that net on something enjoyable.

>>93473995
DC I understand but which Marvel books?

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>>93474025

>>93474079
Kek, Slott is pathetic.

>>93474079
I laughed.

>>93474042
Daredevil: Born Again and Steve Gerber's Foolkiller jumped to mind but honestly, huge swathes of the 60s and 70s Avengers and Captain America books are outright political. The X-Men in the 80s get pretty direct too.

>>93474079
I'm glad someone saved that because Bleeding Cool changed to disqus or whatever and it deleted all their old comments.

>>93474029
>Sandman Mystery Theater trade got cancelled
Well, now I don't feel as bad for pirating the whole series.

>>93474125
>>93474042

God loves man kills.

The whole x-men xdisease that symbolized aids.

But that is the larger definition of politics when the original complaint was "/pol/ shit" which I would call a smaller circle of politics mostly involving sjw cancer and complaining about them.

The larger definition covers almost any topic important to humanity.

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>>93474036

Alright, which one of you anons is running this channel?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrlzSqLSGj8GIOeT5jrQsJA

>>93473797
I agree

>>93473797

That Marvel discussions continue to invite /pol/-tier shitposting is criticism in of itself

>>93473797
It's pretty easy. The ones who are /pol/ level write similar to that SWC guy.

>>93474262
I don't know, but if they can amass 11k views in eight hours, I really need to hop that bandwagon.

>>93474262
>video shitty on best boy Bazz and best girl Jess
delete your channel

>>93473905
>>93473891
>he's a casual for not choking down D*sney's Marvel-flavored diarrhea

You interns are really getting desperate huh?

>>93473797
There is legitimate criticism going on though. Marvel has generated apathy across the board. Yeah sure I understand no wanting to hear people whining about how they replaced Tony Stark with some nigger bitch, but if you replaced every current diversity character with a straight white male people would still upset. Marvel has been coasting on shock value for the past few years. Eventually everyone was going to stop being shocked.

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>>93473374
Are you being ironic? I'm genuinely confused. Are you being sarcastic or are you really, really trying to persuade me to buy these products?

What are you trying to tell me? Are you baiting? I could believe you were seeing as how obvious it is that everyone here knows Marvel to be disappointing and constantly shit upon -- fans included.

But then again, what do I know? I'm just not reading Marvel, and won't until I start enjoying what they publish. And I'm not.

What are you doing, OP? Why are you doing this? Did the Mouse make you?

>>93473610
Seems retarded, just neck yourself.

>>93474411
Nigger, shit on Marvel for shitty writing, not because they have characters other than white male and female. Miles and Riri's problem isn't that they're black rather they're written by Benis. You'd know if you read the actual comics but shitposters with /pol/, /tv/ and /v/ tier response don't actually read comics.

>>93474429
I agree with that, yeah. I just get tired of the muh niggers muh white pride shit.

>>93474079
I like to think Slott pays so little attention he didn't even know Marvel Legacy was a thing.

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>>93474471
Slow down, autismo.

>>93474554

No the race and gender is the problem. The race/gender and the terrible writing are linked. They come from an attitude that if there is anything wrong its your fault because you must not like the race or gender. They are literally seen as needing to pull their weight less.

If it was just normal tradition white thor, iron man, spider man whatever they would just accept that they need to write better but no now we get this shit until it absolutely crashes.

Well miles was good as spider man now shoved into the main universe I am not so sure.

>>93473722
Marvel takes the cake... and THROWS IT TO THE GROOOOUND!

>>93474554

Also half the stories are shitty race bait bullshit as well. The race/gender of the character is tied to it.

>>93473397
>reading slott
Stop you're killing spidey, don't you see slott is fucking his whole character?

>>93474554
this

>>93474610
>No the race and gender is the problem.
Stopped reading right there. They are not the problem, writing and editorial is. There's lots of stupid fucking shit in books that are not race/gender bent.

>>93473865
Next they'll be CHANGING THE VERY FABRIC OF THE UNIVERSE by doing lenticular covers

>>93474554
>>93474745
This. Race and gender are a crutch the the writers fall back on, both to virtue signal and to avoid legitimate criticism with cries of "racist!" and "bigot!" But there's nothing wrong with Miles and Riri being black and everything wrong with Bendis being a fucking hack who shamelessly panders to his own white guilt and his god damned adopted kids.

If Miles and Riri were white, they'd still be shit because Bendis is shit.

>>93473374
I'm adding Marvel two-in-one to my sub Wednesday.

>>93474933
>buying series based on literally just a title and a cover
you're part of the problem

>>93474933
Has the creative team been announced?

>>93474963
Bendis and Land.

>>93474262
Stop shilling your channel

>>93474262
>Shitting on Green Lanterns

But why?

>>93473374
this is that one guy who's like blowing Rich Johnston or something isn't it

>>93475156
He doesn't talk to Rich Johnston.

Are you one of those Marvel shills who've been going about doing damage control by attacking what retailers say?

Nope. I doubt that i'll even pirate them to read for free. Marvel isn't even worth that little effort

>>93474745
>They are not the problem
Stopped reading here.

>>93475243
>Stopped reading
Stopped reading there.

>>93475261
>S
Stopped reading there

>>93475243
But they're not you fucking retard. Tell me, why is it that DC is doing a great job with its minority characters than Marlel? Underage /v/ posters should be banned immediately, this board is shit as it is.

>>93473374
That's funny, because I went to my lcs and was asked by the Batman enthusiast if I would be reading Doomsday Clock, but after the how much of a let down Button was I decided to just ignore it. He tried to shill Metal to me and I just laughed at him, I learned my lesson and won't ever be supporting Scott Snyder's Batman again.

>>93475388
Woah dude, you're such a badass. \\m//

>>93475388
>I just laughed at him

>and then everyone on the bus got up and cheered

>>93475459
$100%true

>>93475459
And that Batman enthusiast? Albert Einstein.

>>93473503
/co/ was this autism?

>>93475387
>, why is it that DC is doing a great job with its minority characters than Marlel?

Because they mostly dropped that shit.
See nigga Wally, Montoya Question, nigga Robin and so on.
I agree you should be banned though.

>>93475388
Cool blog bro, subscribed. xD

@93475528
(You) have to go back.

>>93473916

Dude only like 20 people read that comic. I should know, I was one of them. It never got storytimed or mentioned anywhere.

As sad as I am to see it go, I'm happy I still have my Allred fix with Bug! the Adventures of Forager. It's been my only Marvel title since Secret Wars so I'll be Marvel-free just in time for Legacy.

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>>93473503
Marvel didn't change.

They've been blindly following trends and movies since the early 80's.

Corporate suits have control over the company. If you've ever read interviews with Shooter or any other editor from the 80's on it's really apparent that they were constantly in a state of desperately trying to stop execs from ruining the company. Then you had Quesada who was a huge corporate shill.

The current biggest problem is you have Alonso and Brevoort in charge who are lazy and just lie down and do whatever corporate tells them to. That's how you get shit like "Civil War movie is coming out, we gotta get another Civil War event!" and "That Rebirth thing is getting good sales, let's do one of those!". Ironically it's the same problem as the Marvel film directors; they hire people who'll just do whatever they say.

The "diversity" push has nothing at all to do with creating diversity. Executives saw dollar signs in their eyes at the potential goldmine of people who don't usually read comics-- kids, minorities, women-- so that's who they wanted to pander to as well as moviefags.


tl;dr Marvel are run by your usual cadre of dumbfuck executives, and have been ever since they were bought by New World Entertainment, later Toy Biz, and finally Disney. It's the same kind of idiots that run Hollywood and big-budget video games, blindly follow-the-leader and try to appeal to as many demographics as possible. Legacy is just another in a long line of desperate cash-ins.

>>93473722
They actually kind of did by killing interest in their line in a way we haven't seen since Heroes Reborn.

>>93475662
Imagine a world where Marvel fucks up so bad DC manages to buy them and the cross-overs never have to stop?

>>93475662
Except the Heroes Reborn comics still consistently sold well in the 100,000s all the way to their 13th issues (look up Sept 1996 to Sept 1997 sales charts on Comichron)

A lot of Marvel titles can't do that even in the last year unless they're events.

>>93473722

Christ I hope they fired whoever pitched this as an industry changer.

>>93475707
There's no universe where that would happen. Disney would never in a trillion years sell Marvel, even if they shuttered the comics division, indefinitely put all their movies on hiatus, stopped producing all merchandise, and made Marvel Enterprises into a shell, companies NEVER sell IPs unless they absolutely have to, especially Disney.

I can't even imagine what kind of circumstances would have to occur to make Disney so near bankrupt that they'd sell off Marvel. Maybe in the year 85,000 when Disney finally can no longer extend public domain and Marvel has to go PD.

>>93475751
I actually was under the impression Reborn was a flop. So if that's not true I have no clue when the last time Marvel was number 2 in the biz for a significant length of time since they first overtook DC, if that has ever happened at all.

>>93475847
More likely when/if this loses massive amounts of money, the person whose idea it was will fire the people below him. That's how business works, you fail upwards and shift the blame onto your underlings.

>>93474610
this, this is it.

The only Marvel book I pull Iron Fist.

>>93475932
>Marvel cuts down the number of titles they put out to 52.
>Still years behind DC in realizing that's still too many.

>>93475910
>I actually was under the impression Reborn was a flop.

I thought that too but then I checked the charts a year or two ago. These were the Top 10 titles for July 1997:

1 Uncanny X-Men 347 $1.99 Marvel 165,832
2 X-Men 67 $1.99 Marvel 162,451
3 Fantastic Four 11 $1.99 Marvel 136,545
4 Spawn 64 $1.95 Image 134,162
5 Wolverine 116 $1.99 Marvel 132,564
6 Gen13/Generation X 1 $2.95 Image 114,278
7 Iron Man 11 $1.99 Marvel 113,263
8 Avengers 11 $1.99 Marvel 110,084
9 JLA 10 $1.95 DC 104,947
10 JLA 9 $1.95 DC 104,403

Captain America #11 was 11th place with 101,897.

It may have been a flop if they were hoping for the sales to be higher than it turned out to be.

Sept 1996 sales for the HR launch were:

1 Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 1 $2.95 Marvel 313,980
2 Iron Man (Vol. 2) 1 $2.95 Marvel 277,464
3 Avengers (Vol. 2) 1 $2.95 Marvel 276,734
4 Captain America (Vol. 2) 1 $2.95 Marvel 274,070

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>>93476053
Well of course the number 1's sold well, that was prime speculator time.

But what was surprising was that they continued to sell well for until the line ended.

>>93476085
>that was prime speculator time.

No, that was post-speculator time. The crash happened around 93/94. By 1996 a lot of shops had shut down and distribution was down to just Diamond and Heroes World.

>>93476053
When was the last time every title in the top 10 sold over 100k?

>>93475639
Tl dr.

Log out.

>>93476130
When fags didnt pirate.

>>93476130
August last year:
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-08.html

>>93473397
>I still read Slott's Spider-Man.

You are what is wrong with this industry .

I haven't really been keeping up with everything, but is Legacy literally just variant covers and a couple character crossovers? Weren't the previews leading up to this implying it would be another relaunch of the line up?

>>93476266
There are a few book but 90% of the books are remaining the same with the same creative teams (Slott will still be on ASM for fifty years). Some books are getting their legacy numbers (Slott will get to write ASM #800).

Legacy, the one shot, is about the first Avengers: prehistoric Avengers aka Cavengers. It's suppose to have a page that will "break the internet". Considering these are the same people that think variant covers are industry changing I wouldn't hold your breath.

>>93476372

What the utter fuck are the prehistoric Avengers?

Is it like that stupid time they tried to retcon in a first team of X-Men that was Wolverine and I forget who?

>>93476463
>What the utter fuck are the prehistoric Avengers?
They're from 1,000,000 BC or something

Because Tony Stark's ancient caveman ancestor building some armor out of tree bark or whatever is definitely gonna BTFO the internet

>>93473553
>by next year for the first fucking time I'll have no marvel on my pull list
You're about 10 years too slow.

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>>93476526
prepare yourself for some real ancient history

>>93476155
Bendis pls

>>93474262
The last 3 reviews really are nitpicking and bitching.

Wait I forgot, wasn't there supposed to be a big industry changing announcement on friday about Legacy? What was it?

>>93477034
some homage variants

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>>93473503
>people are not entitled to spend their money in what they want

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>>93477081
How is that an industry changer?

>>93477105

The entirety of Marvel fans on the internet are utterly baffled by this too.

>>93474036
Graeme is opposed for political reasons

>>93476069
>>93476055
Jesus fucking Christ Marvel is garbage.

>>93476463
>What the utter fuck are the prehistoric Avengers?

CAPTAIN CAAAAAAVEMAAAAAAN

It's a controversial view but the death of Marvel and the specialist comic shop can only be good for the industry desu.

>>93473374
What's the point of Generations? It's just a bunch of one-shots where the legacy heroes get zappped to the past to meet characters they have already met.

Hell, the timing doesn't even make sense. Sam Wilson will have already stepped down from Captain America and gone back to Falcon (with a shitty costume). Meanwhile in Generations, Sam is still Cap when he travels back in time to team up with Past Steve. So if rumors are true that Generations is suppose to push the legacy characters and then picking up the mantle, it's going to look weird when Sam is Falcon after all it. Did no one plan or think this over?

>>93477412
It actually isn't, you dumb hipster.
If the comic shops crash, so does the industry including the indie scene. Image will die along with everything else.

Marvel will still make it out alive because they have Disney to pull them out.

>>93476463
It's the Phoenix, Odin, original Black Panther Spirit, whatever the Starbrand was, and some other jackass thing.

Basically a bunch of cosmic forces mess around on Earth for varying reasons then team up to fight Shuma Gorath, but not. Probably something much less entertaining.

Maybe Bor will tell his son to settle down with a nice Vanir girl and not date the pre-african cat chick. Who knows.

>>93477424

I think Generations was planned to placate the "few" fans they felt were angry. Then they got more data on how pissed fans were. How bad sales were getting and going. And Legacy was slapped on to the end of Generations at the last minute. Legacy is going to be a shitfuck, because there is no plan at all. There's not much going on. Which is why we haven't heard anything.

>>93473797

>it's an everyone who is not me is /pol episode again...

>>93477412
Specialist shops dying won't magically make other stores carry comics you know.

>>93477457
>If the comic shops crash, so does the industry including the indie scene. Image will die along with everything else.

They can all move online until the industry gets it shit together.

>Marvel will still make it out alive because they have Disney to pull them out

I doubt they'd be as competitive though.

>>93477529

Yes that would be so great ordering my DC from one source, Image from another, IDW another, Image another, Dark Horse another, etc etc.

Fucking idiotic.

>>93473916
I am already watching a shitty doctor series dont need to read a shitty doctor book

>>93473880
Readers want Sam to be his own character, not Diversity Virtue Signal Man.

>>93474189
Controversy works in the short-term, but in the long-term it leads to total disdain and apathy.

If you stand in a room and shout you'll get attention at first but eventually people just get tired of your shit and leave the room.

>>93473877
Go back to your aunt-mom's trailer, Jethro.

>>93474872
OMG HYPE!

>>93476372
Break the Internet:

Set and Shuma Gorath in a sexually explicit embrace involving oral and tentacle action, after night of drunken shenanigans

>>93473995
You can easily point out the poor and uneducated white males by their "there was never politics in comics".

Why these people won't fuck off, I don't know, but it's probably related to their propensity to vote as "temporarily embarrassed millionaires".

Just a bunch of poorfag racetards that weren't buying comics even before they found out Iron Man would temporarily not be Iron Man.

>>93475639

This.

I talked to Mackie once about his time as an editor and everything and this is basically what he said. There's a constant struggle between the suits and creative. Sometimes the suits win and you get two years of Clone Saga.

>>93473374
Considering that Marvel's events have all been garbage for the last few years, no, I will not.

>>93477424
I think Spencer wanted to use Hydra Cap as a way to push FalCap, but the problem is that's so transparent that there will be a backlash if they do that, so Sam being Falcon evades that problem.

Bet you he becomes FalCap again after "Steve fans cooling off" period.

>>93473374
>You fuckers going to buy Generations and Legacy or what

No. What kind of stupid question is that?

>>93477508
No, it would create a chain effect. Imagine if direct market crashed, what would publishers do then? Well diamond crashes with it and so goes away the monopoly. They would obviously have to change their publishing strategy. That could very well end up meaning cheaper comics, more push for graphic novels and anthology, using cheaper methods in production (lower quality paper, black and white comics, less low effort cash grab content. Comics could very well make it back to grocery stores, newspaper stands.
Honestly with how well DC and in some way Image are doing in bookstore market, they really wouldn't be in as much trouble. I very much look forward to that alternate future.

>>93473397
Nice bait. Bravo.

>>93475639
>as well as moviefags.
This is the weirdest part of modern Marvel to me

They want to capture the movie audience, yet every member of the Avengers has been replaced by a minority or woman or minority woman. They're not the characters people liked in the movies

>>93474079
Slott is pathetic, exhibit #45643434566643

>>93477885
>That could very well end up meaning cheaper comics, more push for graphic novels and anthology, using cheaper methods in production (lower quality paper, black and white comics, less low effort cash grab content.

I don't know why people get their dicks rock hard about going back to news print on here, same with anthologies. No one wants that smudgy, shitty paper except for you idiots who think you can save the industry by taking it back to the '30s.

>Comics could very well make it back to grocery stores, newspaper stands.

Oh yeah, let me tell you just how great periodicals are doing right now.

>>93478035
The long game is to make movies about these guys.

>>93477816
>They don't want what I want, so I have constructed an elaborate personality projection upon which to cast my hate.
Good job, faggot.

>>93477816
Good thing you can't be racist against whites or sexist against men or you'd have to come to grips with the fact you're just as awful as the people you bitch about

>>93477816
I love how leftists keep mangling that Steinbeck quote when he was actually referring to people like you.

>>93478218
I'm not racist, or awful at all, frankly. I'm actually pretty swell. Lol

"Waaaaah there's a non-white character and woman in this comic book I stole! I'm so oppressssed!"

Just dumb as fuck.

Fuck off.

>>93478236
Why do uneducated white dudes who spend waaay too much time begging for all characters to look the same feel entitled to not be called out for their dumb bullshit?

>>93478342
Sweet strawman, bro!

>>93473374
Hahahahahahaha.

Don't be a fucking moron.

>>93478439
I wish it was, but pol is literally on this board everyday to bitch and moan because non-white comic book characters exist. Not a straw man at all, but real-life walking talking dumbfucks.

>>93478431
>"You know that character you like? We're replacing them with someone else. They're a different person, but they'll have the same super hero name so they're the same."
>"I don't like this"
>"BIGOT, NAZI, ISLAMOPHOBE!"

>>93478488
>I just want my favorite comic character

Never seen this before. Not once.

Every time it's just "reee minorities and women SJW(repeated 50 times).

All this while only Banner Hulk (another character that doesn't sell comics) is the only character that has actually gone away.

>>93475955
Who do you think the writer was?

>>93478896
>big
If we're talking poundage, PAD or Slott.

>>93477529
who the fuck actually pays for digital books?

that shit sounds r-tarded

>>93477412
You have no fucking clue how the industry functions or what the market is like if you think Marvel and the direct market dying off would be a good thing for comics as an industry.

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>>93478342
It is not a racial problem, the problem is the kind of aggressive and extremist forced diversity that only makes it look like political propaganda.
Is like a Christian movie, where it is more important to highlight conservative Christian values than the story itself

The problem is not diversity, diversity has always existed in marvel comics, only that it was not forced
In fact the # 1 of mighty thor had good sales until the obvious feminist speech was shown

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>>93480406
Now every villain that appears has to give either a misogynist or racist speech

BUY OUR VARIANT COVERS

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>>93480428
or the "your have to be oppressing me because im a blackgirl"

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>>93478342
You can not even show the female body without being called a misogynist or sexist.

There was a lot of controversy regarding pic related because apparently that pose was "too sexy" for a teenage girl

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>>93478342
or fight against Odin just because"patriarchy"

>>93475388
Not going to lie. I actually really like All-star Batman

>>93480481
COVER THIS UP.

I got a really nice coupon for Comixolgy today and was GOING to catch up on some marvel, but then said fuck it and I bought a bunch of Rurouni Kenshin volumes instead

>>93473647
So I'm not the only one getting 4 or more pages worth of xtra stupid captchas for a single post?

>>93479282
Most casuals don't know about 4chan or how to pirate comics

>>93480406
TITANIA LITERALLY REGULARLY FIGHTS A FEMALE VERSION OF A MALE SUPERHERO WHO THE FUCK APPROVED THIS!?

>>93480656
No, what that anon's referring to is how post cool downs for images used to be 30 seconds on this board, so you could storytime twice as fast. Ever since it jumped to 60 seconds, storytimes have died down.

Also, do yourself a favour and use legacy captcha.

>>93473722
>Marvel changes the comic book industry
Pffft. What shitty Wizard wannabe rip-off site would make a comment THAT--
>Marvel.com
The hubris this requires

>>93478342
in conclusion, its not racism or misogyny
its just bad writing with Propagandistic purposes

>>93480303
I have no use for modern Marvel or DC, and you are absolutely right.
For reasons, I'll never understand some people think the end of Marvel/DC means cape fans will all start reading Dan Clowes' vaguely uncomfortable looking mannequin comics, or something.

>>93480461
what if she said she was never gonna be white?

>>93476044
The worst part is DC at least had a reason for that gimmick.
A bad one but still.
It just feels like Marvel is like "that's a cool number, right?"

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>>93477529
You should probably stop talking and go read up on things.

OK, now we finish this thread in grand /co/ tradition by storytiming America. All of it.

>>93474554
My problems with current marvel is not that characters are black/Asian/Muslim/female but that rather than making those characters their own original hero they are instead just replacing an already defined and loved hero with a completely undefined character that we know nothing about which is just going to generate hate for the character before the first page. In saying that characters like x-23 show that it can be done correctly if the character and their traits are well defined and that they can show they work without a certain name attached to them first. At that point if it works organically and makes sense for the character then you can do the replacement without the hatred from fans

>>93478175
The long game is stupid given that they're not doing anything with these guys. Closest they have to a somewhat memorable story arc with them is Ms. Marvel and that Edison parrot's science gang.

>>93473374
I'll keeping reading what I already am. I might read Spirits of Vengeance or Moon Knight depending on the creative teams. Would read a Cavengers ongoing too.

>>93474189
>>93477718
Funny how Rebirth seems to be seeling OK... and not even coasting on controversy for that!

Maybe... maybe the secret isn't that?

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>>93480712
>Also, do yourself a favour and use legacy captcha.
Thank you so much, trying this out, wish me luck

>>93478591
lol MAYBE if you don't read X-Men comics.

>>93473374
so what's the issue with legacy? As far as I can tell it's just renumbering to 1 again.

>>93481069
>lol MAYBE if you don't read X-Men comics
Leave the bait alone, anon.

>>93480712
>Also, do yourself a favour and use legacy captcha.

>>93480406
She-Hulk did this AND was a successful lawyer. Where was HER girl pass, Titania?
Is it because she's GREEN?

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>>93473722
Killing it counts as changing it too.

>>93473374
I'll give the ms. marvel, nova, spiderman & wolverine ones a look and I'll pick them up if they're good enough.

don't really care about the rest of it though.

>>93477529
>>93477412
>>93477885
You (and everyone who thinks like you; I keep seeing this kind of narrow-minded thinking on other boards) don't seem to live in reality.

Comics are not going to magically show up more often on newsstands if the direct market disappeared. They have to compete with rack space with Time Magazine or Entertainment Weekly or Food Network Magazine or something. Did you know that only maybe half or less of the New 52 launch was available on the newsstand? If the direct market went away back then there was no way Animal Man was gonna show up on the newsstand.

On top of that, people like you seem to be living in a world 10 years behind where you delusionally believe magazines still sell really well on the newsstand or grocery store or whatever. Have you even given much thought why Archie has been doing all those stunts and new projects in the last nine years? Or doing even more stuff directed toward the direct market? Circulation on a lot of magazines fell a lot.

>>93480821
Because fans like that make the mistaken assumption that their tastes are shared by the general comic audience or even the general public.

>>93475346
It's not an 'S'. It's a symbol that represents hope.

>>93473374
The problem with her side from her awful name is the same as many of the characters Marvel is pushing. They're all the coolest, strongest, smartest, mightiest, etc. That said I don't hate her but she, like the rest, could be written/handled better if they weren't being forced on us with solo books.

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>>93473722
are you fucking kidding me

>>93480461
The teacher is right, she will never be Tony Stark. A billionaire playboy that is easily capable of starting another billion dollar company from nothing.

>>93480838
She would find a way to Michael Jackson herself

>>93480428
They couldn't even be bothered to come up with actual sentences for him to say could they?

>>93483029
And trigger their readers? Get chewed up on CBR for even printing those sentences? Anon, please. Comics are a safe space.

>>93480461
>>Bendis watched Hidden Figures
>>Doesn't even bother looking up Mae Carol Jemison's name

>>93476372
It's gonna be Riri finding Darth Vader's Helmet.

>>93473374
They're all going to be $US 5 or more aren't they? No thank you. By the time they're imported here the price ends up twice the US price.

>>93473722
I mean. The industry will change drastically when one of the big two dies. And that's what they are doing. They are shooting themselves in the head.

>>93473855
I'll wait for the announcement. If they keep it separated and put someone good on it, it might be worth it.
Still not gonna buy it.

>>93480514
It's Medusa all over again.

>>93480514
I had no idea it was THIS bad. Wow.

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>>93476069
>If Marvel fails, so does the comic industry
How?

So you are going to support this new - whatever it is - not because you like it, not because you need it, but because you fear that Marvel could fail. And if Marvel fails, the comic industry explodes.
WTF, really.
Do you even realize that it sounds like there is a monopoly and you are nothing else than slaves?
What if actually (just think about it for a minute, it's a possibility and I'm not implying I want it happens) if you cut Marvel from the system, there would be a reassessment and a certain redistribution inside the whole system? Something simple like: oh look, every month I spend XXX money for comics; without Marvel I can use the same money for DIFFERENT comics that I didn't buy before or I didn't consider because yeah, I've always been told that I have to buy Marvel otherwise I can't read anything else from different publishers?
Maybe a good starting point isn't cut Marvel from the system (I don't want that), but modify her status (quality and mass production, you know the story...).
The industry can't change for the better if you don't give it a true input (aka buying what is actually good, and with this I don't exlude there can be something good too from Marvel comics).
So don't complain if after all you still buy what you don't like.

>>93484036
Sh-shut up!

>>93484036
Marvel makes up 35-40% of the market.

>>93484036
Retailers need healthy Marvel and DC sales to stay afloat. History has shown that when one suffers, the people just choose to stay home instead of flocking to the other.
Now if DC Comics suddenly started selling hundreds of thousands across the board we could do without Marvel, but that isn't the reality.

>>93484246
I really think OP was being sarcastic, man.

>>93484246
>And if Marvel fails, the comic industry explodes.
so be it.

I'm not going to buy shitty products just because Marvel crashing would be bad. You want my money, fucking earn it. Internet kicking your ass (the same way it's kicking TV's ass)? Adapt or die.

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>>93473374
>You fuckers going to buy Generations and Legacy or what?
LOL No, fuck that. This whole thing is fucking bullshit.

>Initials Generations story starts in the last (added) issue for Secret Empire ($4.99)
>Then you move onto 10 Generations one-shots ($4.99/ea)
>Then you move onto the Legacy one-shot ($6.99)
>Then we can check out the new Legacy lineup which is +90% the same books with the same teams that we already have.

And that's without even getting into the fact that nothing that people are asking for is happening in this. No Fantastic Four. No Peter/MJ wedding. Nothing. Marvel's doubling down on everything people are complaining about and trying to charge an extra buck on top of it per issue.

I expected Legacy to be a half-assed Rebirth cash-in without any sincerity. The fact that Marvel has actually made it worse than anticipated is amazing.

>>93485929
Hm maybe Perlmutter would just sell his part to someone else when he figures the comics aren't making all that money? Would be a start, right?

>>93486216
>No Fantastic Four. No Peter/MJ wedding.
And you didn't ven get started on the X-Men.

>>93474505
So wait.

A company stops providing what I want.

So instead of going to a different company, I should kill myself?

You're bad at capitalism my dude.

>>93478096
>I don't know why people get their dicks rock hard about going back to news print on here, same with anthologies
Cause you can keep up with the stories and collect the trades. You don't get loaded with shitloads of floppies, you don't spend a shitload of dough on floppies. No need for piracy this way

>>93473374
people just don´t like diversity and sjw stuff in their comics not a big surprise

>>93486277
>Hm maybe Perlmutter would just sell his part to someone else when he figures the comics aren't making all that money? Would be a start, right?
No chance
You forgot, Disney bought Marvel. There is no "part of Marvel" now. All of Perlmutter's Marvel shares are Disney shares now (and he has a lot of them).

As long as Disney as a whole is doing well, his shares will make money. On top of that, he's receiving a CEO's income. Why would he give that up?

Perlmutter won't leave Marvel Entertainment until he decides to.

>>93474183
The thing is, both Stryker and Senator Kelly were supposed to be presented fairly. Claremont himself said in the interviews, that they didn't want to show the conflict in black and white, but instead, give a chance for both sides of the argument to make their point.

Sen. Kelly isn't some strawman bigot. He is genuinely concerned, and he makes sense.

>>93486756
>Perlmutter won't leave Marvel Entertainment until he decides to.
More like untill he can't pass as a human anymore and has to get a new shell with a brand new identity. The man is a fucking lizard.

>>93487265
Hey. Us lizards are a proud people. Don't lump that mutant in with us

>>93477412
Yes. It would be great. Don't listen to scaredyfags

>>93481547
Oy gevalt! Who fucking cares? It's not my job to keep this shit alive. Adapt or die

ADAPT OR DIE
DIE, Motherfucker, DIE

>>93487299
Mugga here, don't even try to push that inhuman trash for us.

>>93488604
I always figured he was one of those self-hating mutants. Like he wanted to be an Inhuman and thats why he was destroying the X-Men

>>93487325
>Oy gevalt! Who fucking cares?
Literally everyone in this thread.

>>93488669
Who cares about LCS dying, you moron

>>93473722
They sound like legit Z-list supervillain now.

>First we change the industry
>Then THE WORLD

>>93488776
Sounds like one of Brain's plans to TAKE OVER THE WORLD

>>93473374
All I wanted was a Star Wars crossover with Marvel.

>>93480428
What did he really say, /co/?

>Depraved whelp that slithered from the legs of a she-goat with a thrice-fucked cunt!
>A, wench with lips still white from the milk she sucked at her whoremother's teats, dares to carry the Hammer of Thor?
>Dare thee slander the men of Asgard with thy make-believe Wench Thor act? Dare thee refuse to accept thy place of servitude at the GODS' table, along with dark elves and Jötunheimr mongrels?
>Only a cursed worshiper of YHVH from the realm of sands and stones would show such insolence!

>>93474262
I'm warming up to D&C.

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>>93477718
>Controversy works in the short-term
Uh huh. If you actually read the posts in the screencap you'll notice that this was written back when Bendis was still on fucking Avengers and, last I checked, last month was yet another "DC takes second place" just like the month before that and the one before that and ... literally every month that isn't a DC Reboot/Relaunch/Gimmick (Villain's Month).

Complaining about the constant renumberings? I agree.

Complaining about the constant Big Events? I agree.

Complaining about the SJW pandering? I agree.

Pretending that the shit doesn't keep happening for the sole reason that the shit KEEPS ON SELLING? You're embarrassing yourself.

>>93490325
True, if it didn't, they'd have to make retailers stock "free" comics they wouldn't be able to sell, and push a lot in lootcrates, and try damage control blaming the competition when everyone's cancelling their subscriptions, and...

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>>93480406

HOLY SHIT! That's grade A+ retarded.

>>93490325
>Pretending that the shit doesn't keep happening for the sole reason that the shit KEEPS ON SELLING? You're embarrassing yourself.

Secret Wars was a comic that didn't have any kind of actual film tie-in. The lowest it got was 149,028.

Civil War II was pretty brazenly made to cash in on Captain America: Civil War and even hyped up the death of a major character. It has Bendis on it (who still has a fanbase). It was frontloaded with things that should've made it sell as well as Secret Wars. 6 out of 9 of those issues went below Secret Wars' lowest selling issue. The lowest selling issue of CW2 was 105,568.

Secret Empire definitely got the kind of attention and anger Brevoort is talking about, all coming from last year and this year. But how well did it do in sales?

04/17 Secret Empire #0 - 162,718
05/17 Secret Empire #1 - 157,517
05/17 Secret Empire #2 - 100,983
05/17 Secret Empire #3 - 91,611

>>93486539
>people just don´t like diversity and sjw stuff in their comics not a big surprise
Not really. Green Lanterns is all about diversity and is doing pretty well.

Diversity done in a non-patronising, organic manner as 'replacements' for previous GLs that are busy in space, is good. Making Whor and destroying Thor's legacy is not.

>>93473722
this is just typical Marvel PR lingo
remember when they were hyping A-Force as the first ever all female book led by the most important female character in comics, the glorious and amazingly spectacular Captain Marvel! ?

>>93492419
>this is just typical Marvel PR lingo

Even though they've always done hyperbole, they've never tried to claim they were changing the comic industry. And on top of that it's bad when the audience intended for these things is not really giving it a good reception.

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>>93478342
>People don't want to buy shitty comics
>WAAAAAH RACISM
kek

>>93486216
This.