how do we save modern animation?

>>93458804
Whats wrong with it?

>>93458850
The heat makes him cranky and the only room with an air conditioner he got to stay in was at his school.

>>93458804
If they browsed /co/ instead of tumblr things might be going smoother.

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Unless Gisnep makes some more decent cartoons to balance the amount of shit ones, we're doomed.

>>93458804
You can't. It's dead.

>>93458850
they overuse the same angle
characters are designed to be seen solely from that angle
shitty perspective to be honest

>>93458804
What's wrong with Phineas and Ferb?

>>93458804
>1. Burn it all to the ground
>2. Bring anime back to kids TV so they can know what true quality is
>3. Wait about 15 years and then revive the US industry with a crop of animators who have grown up to know what animation is supposed to be like
It's foolproof.

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>complains about decline of western animation
>other than New Family Guy and Simpsons most of these examples are actually good

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>>93458804
Regular show, and SpongeBob movie

>>93458804
>a group of anons is capable of doing something

>>93458969
Anyone who believes this doesn't deserve to live.

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>>93458952
Besides the fact that it's a shitty Kim Possible ripoff?

>>93459051
I... uhh... don't think I can take that accusation seriously.

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>>93458946
>they overuse the same angle
>characters are designed to be seen solely from that angle
>shitty perspective to be honest


The person that made that image said that he did it just as bait, and that it took him a lot of time to find the right poses, and even admited that it wasnt true.

Truly, the best option is suicide.

>>93459051
Explain.

>>93459072
they did? where?

>>93459007
we can whine online and complain in the animators' twitter until animation gets good 20 years from now and then claim that we saved it

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Oh boy, another one of these threads?

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>>93459051
They have practically nothing in common other than an unusual animal crimefighter and an incompetent mad scientist villain, and even then those existed way before KP.

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>>93458804
Actual problem with animation
Its all our fault for not putting the effort forth.

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>we let it die

>>93459234
Dude, NONE of that is the same. Literally fucking none of it. Holy shit, you can be a fan of something and that's cool, but the sheer autism to correlate it to P&F is sad. There is nothing similar what so ever between the two shows.

>>93459069
>>93459096
>>93459147
It basically takes Kim's twin brothers and Rufus, and puts the focus on them. While keeping the two main parts of the show strictly separate for the most part, the interactions between which were the source of much of the awesomeness in KP.

Also it's WAY too repetitive. (And Drakken > Doof any day, even the name is better.)

Why'd you gotta bring P+F into that? That animation is charming

>>93459234
You sound like that guy who thought he was a genius for noticing the similarites between Johnny Test and Dexter's Lab, but was severely disappointed when he went online and discovered that other people had the same observation, so now you're trying to make up for it by pulling shit out of your ass.

>>93459234
>>93459304
This is completely asinine

>>93459303
>>93459337
>>93459340
I could literally describe it as AU!KP + lolsorandomness, and be uncannily accurate.

And I actually read up the JT/DL thing online, so I'm probably not the anon you're thinking of. Though in retrospect that is obvious as fuck.

>>93459324
The animation was nearly nonexistent. The writing was clever though

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>>93458804
Cancel all the other shows and beg Hirsch to give Gravity Falls a 3rd season. Fuck it, even on that pic the relative quality of the show is obvious.

>>93458804
You really want a solution? Here's one: fire all network executives.

>>93459304
I still don't see how it works. So what, theres two genius twin brothers, theres a wacky pet, and theres crimefighting other than that theres literally nothing in common in both tone and execution.

Your a fucking nutter m8

>>93459382
I could spoon feed you and take 15 minutes writing out how each show is vastly different but you are too retarded to understand the simple plot aspects. Let alone the fact the two brothers in P&F weren't even biologically related what so ever.

>>93459446
So would weirdmageddon be retconned?

>>93459526
>Let alone the fact the two brothers in P&F weren't even biologically related what so ever.
Because that fundamentally affected the plot?

>>93459534
I'm not paid enough to answer that question.

>>93459161
i may not be the best artist and i'm still learning but goddamn, this makes me feel ungodly rage and a somber sadness. having learned art history i can say that while contemporary art create a lot of freedom in being able to express one's self you also learn the basic THE BASICS of art cause anyone can put sticks together and call it an abstract manifestation of human happiness in agony but an artist that knows better can create a work that truly shows that without looking like a know nothing ass.

>>93458804
>The Spongebob Movie
>Modern

>>93458804

how do we shut you the fuck up?

>>93459677
>anyone can put sticks together and call it an abstract manifestation of human happiness in agony

You're hired for 4 seasons. We'll call it "Stick it to 'Em!" You get Kristen Schaal.

>>93459707
It's not even 20 years old yet.

>>93459677
That's basically the problem with modern illustrators in general.

They take inspiration from their peers and pop culture. They don't have artist backgrounds, they have fanny backgrounds.

Making stuff as a fan and making stuff as an artist are two completely different things.

For fuck's sake there are "artists" who've never even studied renaissance paintings. There are "artists" who've never studied SURREALIST paintings, and that's not even that long ago! There are "artists" who make "what i, like, feel like making, man, and if like, people like it, then thats, like, cool, dude" instead of studying what makes good art and trying to communicate something transcendent in art that will be of actual literal intellectual and cultural value. That's not even an exaggeration, art saved the fucking world, art has changed perceptions and conceptions in ways that seem fantastical. There's nothing more meaningful in art than to do that, and yet cartoonists, illustrators, animators, they all circlejerk and play popularity contests with their peers. You only have to look at superhero comics to see how fucking harmful having fanatics take over creativity is compared to people with artist backgrounds from beforehand.

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>>93459759
This isn't what I wanted....

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>>93459161
>guy shows up to leaf school and says "YOU SUCK" to students
>group of them asks him to show them how to be better
>"Uhhh, I must go now, my methadone clinic needs me."
>Note: John K died on the way back to his home planet

>>93459850
And thats why art history was part of my school's curriculum even though I'm not an art history major cause these class along with life drawing and drawing fundamentals are key to understanding how the art in museums are where they are today.

>>93459622
Yeah it fundamentally affected the way P&F interacted, not to mention that the bros in KP were twins and acted nearly like hivemind

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>>93458804
by ending every single one of the shows in this image who hasn't endeded yet

>>93459950
shit typo

>>93459161
Fugging gommies slowly started ruining everything during the 50's and 60's. Walt Disney (American hero who testified against communism) could have prevented this.

The NEET uprising against (((college))) spearheaded by film and animation enthusiasts will revolutionize the industry and form their own businesses one day, trust me. You think I'm joking when I say this.

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>>93459950
>that pic

>>93459115
>a bunch of nobodies who think they understand anything at all about animation itself trying to bitch and moan as loud as they can

>>93458804
by paying for it

>>93458850

Overuse of simple art style to make animation more fluid.

bean mouth syndrome

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>>93460002
Actually, it was the CIA that backed modern art, as a way of combating the perception that communists were more artistically liberated.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html%3Famp

Protip: commies were more artistically liberated, soviet animation blows the fuck out of japanimation and american animation. Problem is that communism is also shit and unsustainable and everyone got sent to gulags, but if you didn't protest the government you actually had really generous subsidies to make whatever fucking animation and art you wanted to make. There were still people who made anti communist movies, but it was pretty discrete.

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>>93460093
(((cia))) is full of scum. President Truman and Eisenhower both knew this and spoke out about it. JFK knew and tried to stop them, and they blew his brains out.
>Protip: commies were more artistically liberated, soviet animation blows the fuck out of japanimation and american animation.
lol

>hire TMS, they'll save thd industry you guys!

>>93458804
only support the animated film industry and encourage more anime studios to make use of western video services when the otakus inevitably die out, forcing Japan to branch out to its international consumers.

>>93460213
Haven't been relevant in 30 years and I don't care what sperg knows it.

>>93459869
What you think he has the time to teach everyone on the planet who wants to learn animation?

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>>93460093
>>93460188
The CIA is the enemy of god, terry davis on his mission to BTFO the CIA.

>>93459107
2 threads after he made this pic man. How am I suppused to show it to you? Archive of the time is dead.

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>>93459161

>those showcased pieces

>>93459161
And that kid is why art collages are complete wastes of space.

I mean holy shit, those pictures would fit more at home on deviantArt than a fucking collages that costs thousands to attend.

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>>93458804
>Showing good animated shows
>Not adding Star VS the Forces of Evil
Y tho?

>>93461014
It isn't popular enough to be relevant to mainstream audiences.

>>93458804
You can't. The Jews had a takeover of Disney and pinned down the rest of the animation industry and now nothing will be allowed on TV unless it's ugly in content and appearance; like they corrupt all art and promote degeneracy.

>>93459446
You know what happens when a show gets brought back after being cancelled. Remember Family Guy?

>>93459161
>fine art

theres your problem faggot. fine artists dont give a shit about animation, they only give a shit about the most pretentious way they can convey some super entitled message to show their complete lack of self awareness.

it's illustration you want to look to in order to get an idea of how people are being trained for animation these days. illustration is the major that breaks people and forces them to become cogs in the entertainment industry's lowest rungs

>>93458946
That's not even the case with Adventure time though. That one image isn't representative of the entire show.

>>93458804
Kick out the Jews and give corporations less power.

>>93461174
>fine art
>theres your problem faggot

Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

Fine Arts courses have been garbage since before the animation industry existed. They didn't suddenly get bad when no one was looking.

>>93461228
Didn't mean for that to sound sarcastic by the way. I'm genuinely happy that someone else can see the flaw in that pasta.

>>93460988
Those pictures are an insult to deviant art.
They'd never even make it to the front page
well maybe on a slow day

>>93458804
Still going, still going, over, still going, don't know, over, etc.

So in other words, the image is a list of everything that has currently Gone Wrong.

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It starts by having a better attitude.
And becoming content creators yourselves.
If you don't like what's out there- try your darndest to make something you like yourself instead of waiting. Yeah, it's extremely hard- but a very worth endeavor. Things don't come to those who sit around all grumpy.

Believe me.

>>93458804
uncle grandpa season 6

>>93459161
>"What do you mean? All of us here draw very well"
I don't want to call Williams a liar, but that's hard to believe coming out of anyone's mouth, even a master artist. The bit about being mobbed for instruction also smells sharply of bullshit.

>>93460002
>The NEET uprising
As a NEET posting amongst a NEET collective, I can assure you that the best uprising a NEET can manage is rising out of bed before noon.

>>93461360
You're probably thing you're smart and enlightened because you post shit like this.
Your post is not better than a facebook motivational meme

>>93461680
Not really...
I see a lot of people around here with bad, lazy attitudes complaining that things aren't good enough.
I just want people to get off their butts and apply themselves. Some great stuff could come out of it. That's my honest opinion.

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>>93459051

Which is impressive on Dan and Swampy's part since they were pitching that show eight years before Kim Possible premiered.

>>93461360
Well the American industry has always sided on undercutting the cost of animation. The best shows have relied on original writing while usually outsourcing the animation to another company. Which will only every use one cheap style of animation.

Take Bojack Horseman the writing is what makes people like it. It's animated by a company called ShadowMachine that also has done. Jeff and some aliens, Greatest Party Story Ever, and Trip Tank. All of those shows have awful, cheap as hell animation. Studios like Shadow Machine and Bento Box will continue to get work because this is how those corporations create animation.

The only real solution is for the american industry to eclipse by cheaper liscencing for asia, and or France putting out more animation like What Ankama studios is doing with Wakfu and Dofus.

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>he doesn't like the original spongebob movie

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>>93458804
You can't. They don't need to be better so they will never be better. This is adequate. No motivation or incentive to grow.

>>93459051
You're thinking of Star Vs

>>93461718
Most people appreciate animation, but they also appreciate working in other careers. You don't have to animate to appreciate it, that's just fucking elitist bullshit. This old "Why don't YOU do it better???" argument is actually kind of disrespectful to the audience.

>>93461884
No, no, I'm not really pushing the "why don't YOU do it" thing.
I'm referring to artists/writers here who don't feel like trying to better themselves and stagnate, really.

>>93461746
It's weird how of all the designs, Phineas and Ferb changed the least.

>>93458804
Boycott low budget cartoons.
"We want quality; not quantity."

It'd also be nice if animation studios were spread out. Why do they got to be on the coast where the cost of living makes it an undesirable career choice.

>>93461818
This looks pretty dope, where's this from?

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>>93461657
top fucking kek m8

>>93458804
>modern animation
The Simpsons have been airing longer than most anons have been alive.

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>>93462545
Yeah but modern Simpsons looks like shit

>>93461614
I'll buy it, Williams is a master of the craft. If John K had said it I'd have some doubts.

>>93462582
I will give you that.

>>93461746
Is this AU?

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>>93461746
I don't care what anybody says, I love Dr. Sessler.

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>>93458804
the only shows that rely completely on the 3/4s angle are the simpsons, phineas and ferb, and family guy because the artstyle only accommodates that angle, look at the few frames when a simspson character is facing the camera, they look like monsters with pig snouts and canine jaws.

but a show like sponge bob frequently uses many angles and changes the character appearance for gags. since sponge bob was influenced by ren and stimpy the show is very expressive. regular show and uncle grandpa also do exaggerated poses and angles.

it really just comes down to if the show is doing realism or surrealism. if its doing realism (simpsons, family guy, gravity falls, phineas and ferb) then it trys to keep the character's grounded and limits expression (even though phineas and ferb and gravity falls have fantastical and unrealistic elements its still grounded in reality, the setting is earth in a normal town not a town populated by anthro gumball machines or sea creatures) . if its surrealism (regular show, spongebob, uncle grandpa, adventure time) then it has free roam to have expression and dynamic angles since its not trying to be realistic.

>>93462099

Not when you consider that they were specifically designed that way so that kids could draw them easily.

If you can draw a triangle and a rectangle, you can draw Phineas. If you can draw a square and a rectangle, you can draw Ferb.

We need a new What a Cartoon! Show.

Thankfully now every western vs jap animation thread can be shut down by posting kemono friends and the berserk anime.

>>93462708
I was so mad when G4 died. Isn't Adam on the smack now?

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>>93462792
>That gif

>>93462792
Adventure Time, for all its noodle limbs, relies a little too heavily on fixed angles and simple movements. But I'm nitpicking here.

You're right about the Simpsons but it's leagues above Family Guy by virtue of the fact that characters actually move around. At least, they used to. Watching Family Guy with the sound off is... I don't know the word. Sobering? It really just sheds a light on how dull it is. It's just characters standing or sitting, They lift their arms as they talk and adjust their eyelids to indicate emotion. There's nothing wrong with minimalism but my god do they abuse it.

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>>93462582
>that 2 frame fist shake
Does that even count as animation anymore?

>>93461818
Daniel Danger. He's an illustrator. I don't think he's been involved with animation outside of prints for merchandise.

https://twitter.com/tinymediaempire

>>93464900

Oops. Meant to reply to >>93462248

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>>93464231
yea this is way better

>>93460588
That's not what he said at all. He said the spongebob one was

>>93459132
>someone was salty enough to make this

>>93462582
why did maggie get an enemy?

>>93465379
it was originally a throwaway gag in an earlier episode. Not that the simpsons writers have watched classic simpsons

>>93464981
>implying anyone defends that series of Berserk

lol westfag

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>>93458804
Kill every modern animator, and put Johnny K. in charge of everything animation related

>>93466271
>curing the disease by killing the patient
Not really what I had in mind.

>"how do we save modern animation?"
>image
>8 examples of "bad" modern animayion
>regular show, uncle grandpa, gravity falls, and phineas and ferb are examples
>steven's universe is nowhere to be found on this image

holy fucking shit

>>93466415
The original had SU on it but somebody removed it I guess

>>93458804
Accept that software like Flash is the future. The low cost and speed of output make it infinitely more attractive to corparate executives when compared with traditional animation.

Instead of pushing for traditional animation techniques, new techniques need to be developed to fit software like Flash. This will not be a fast process. It will take decades.

Some of the more traditional techniques which need to stay are model sheets and storyboards. We've all seen the ridiculous size discrepancies for characters in Steven Universe. That is what happens when a showrunner does not produce model sheets and does not provide any oversight over their artists. It is completely unacceptable, and it makes the art come across as amateurish.

Storyboards give the writers more direct control over the final product; one of their primary functions is telling the Korean sweatshop artists what to do and how to do it. Well-storyboarded shows tend to have fluid animation and fulfill the vision of the creative team. Poorly-storyboarded shows tend to have choppy animation with frequent errors.

In short, animation is changing, and that must be accepted. Certain age-old techniques can be kept in the digital age, but most must be replaced with new ones, which better fit the technology.

>>93465364
It's still pretty true, though

>>93458804
More like this
youtube.com/watch?v=PLVnx9R7LrA

>>93458804
You don't.
You let the current animation industry crash and burn until we get government funded wholesome anti-subversion cartoons that through heroism advocate a moral and white Western soviety.
Like a new Tintin, Blake & Mortimer and Asterix & Obelix.

>>93466849
Skookino

>>93466271
For someone who talks about dreaming up new stuff, he sure does rely on the same characters a lot. If I have to see Jimmy The Idiot Boy in one more series then I'm gonna be mildly irritated.

>>93459161
Postmodernism is a hell of a drug.

>>93458804
Give animators a bigger budget?

>>93458804
Make a horror animated film that isn't a kid Friendly film in disguise.

Juuuuuust don't make a US version of MIDORI.

>>93466415
SU has its own set of problems.

Inconsistent character heights and models, atrocious fight choreography, and that's just the animation.

>>93459132
>posting still frames that perfectly show the animation quality because half of the show is still frames

>>93469297
Are you joking?

>>93459132
needs updated.

>>93458804
is not even that funny, but i guess when your character looks like this on front >>93459147

Well i guess is not like they have a choice.

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>>93459132
>>93471179

Someone make a Bingo as well.

Fire Korea.

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>>93472373
>that fucking hand

>>93458804
You revive Spectacular Spider-man.

>>93466271
Hooray now we have one episode of a cartoon per year!

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>>93469474
Too late, if anything they stole it from us.

More 3DCG must be made by Disney.
And then, when the rest of the world predictably follows in Disney's footsteps, Disney will unveil its newest money-making trick.
4D-animation.

>>93473469
That will only make things worse.
>>93469297
This.
>>93470957
Theres a reason why this happen.

http://tvline.com/2017/05/30/animaniacs-reboot-plans-wakko-yakko-dot-returning/

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>>93473488
>Midori
>Manga, published in 1984
>the animated movie was started in 1987 but finished and released in 1992.
>TRUE HORROR ANIMATED FILM
>if anything they stole it from us.

>>93462198
There's one in Texas.

>>93459467
The pet's not even wacky, it's the one doing the crimefighting.

>>93459382
>Phineas and Ferb
>lolsorandomness
wha?

>>93472270
I understand the expansion pack part is to show the difference in amount of fanservice between the two animation origins but what is the "Sakugabooru" and everything under "Abandon all Hope" supposed to represent?

>>93458804
Nuke USA and Canada.

>>93461746
I still find it weird that Irving predated half the regular cast.
Not to mention those bug things.

>>93472270
I'm working on a bingo

>>93473521
What does that have to do with budget?

>>93473725
Anon, are you okay?

>>93473788
Just ignore him it's the typical "all me" fag.

>>93473664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bhsKlz8xkg

>>93473928>>93473928


Ironic Shitposting is still shitposting.

Here have some (you). I don't know how you can be entertained by this, especially because you're not even making anyone mad.


What's the next step in your master plan?

>>93473664
Some autist kept spamming a picture where it claims Hamtaro is the pinnacle of animation

>>93464981
But weebs actually got mad at Berserk, westfags just kinda let shit be shoved into their throat without complaint.

>>93472270
The little pupper dies, right?

>>93472270
>Update

Would have been useful to include Sausage Party.

>>93472270
>>93459132
>Comparing Neon Genesis Evangelion and The Jetsons together
Do people actually do this?

>>93474968
Nope, this one is too far off, in fact, this one is just an ediMOTHERFUCKER ITS YOU!

>>93458996
Fuck off back to your Kesha parody you talking diarrhea turd.

>>93475174
he said he doesnt like new simpsons
please learn to read

>>93474905
Thats CG animation, this is about hand drawn animation.

>>93458804
They gotta let animators make shows that aren't just for kids or are family sitcoms. American networks execs need to realize that there is a market out there for more adult oriented animated television, just look at the success anime is enjoying in the west right now.

>>93475317
But none of those sitcoms are family friendly, you should really say "sitcoms that are about families".

They're bringing back Animaniacs for this very reason alone.

>>93475453
I think the only animated sitcom right now which is meant for kids and/or is family friendly is Gumball.

>>93475729
>In short, Hamtaro's humans did the family friendly animated sitcom right.

MOTHERFUCKER ITS YOU!!!!
>>93474968

>>93475453
family guy was in peak popularity with my peers when i was in middle school. i don't know a single adult who watches that shit.

>>93475317
>just look at the success anime is enjoying in the west right now.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
>>93475453
>They're bringing back Animaniacs for this very reason alone.
Since when is Animaniacs not a kids' show?

There has never been a great Japanese animated sitcom. Sorry Hamtaro-anon.

Either disband unions so the working conditions can lead to people literally dying from exhaustion

OR

Convince the tens of millions of Americans that watch the yearly drivel that animation is only limited by imagination and you can have just as serious, funny, heartwarming, or action packed of a story as live action.

>>93476876
Sazae-san

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>>93458804
More We Bare Bears.

>>93458804
Early 20th century cartoons looked the same way. Many if not most mid-century TV cartoons looked the same way. Disney movies often had scenes that looked the same way. Amateur YouTube and Newgrounds animations look the same way. Comic strips and webomics look the same way. It's not something caused by modern animation.

>>93473664
Not sure of Sakugabooru, but the bottom tier is a reference to TMSfag, known on /co/ for shitting up 90s cartoons discussion with his stupid obsession. The most embarrassing part is that even I know about him, and I've been here less than a month.

>>93475174
>talking diarrhea turd
What are you Chris Bores or something?
>This game is a bunch of ass poop!
>I'd rather eat poopy shit from a toilet!
>This game is like drinking shitty diarrhea that has chunks of shit in it!
Go crawl back into 2008, you turkey.

>>93473664
>>93477550
Sakugabooru is https://sakugabooru.com/post . A site for posting and tagging animation clips from (mostly) anime.

>>93458880
would you like to attempt to have an actual discussion or do you just come into threads to masturbate about how superior you think you are

>>93472270
Bullshit, we never done that expansion pack.

The dumbest thing about that picture is that it took images from RS and AT when their animation was really fucking lively and always moving compared to how they and the rest of cartoons are now.

Ever since about 2014 non-stiff cartoons have been rare, especially the new ones.

>>93476876
Sazae san
Asari chan.
Genius Bakabon.

>>93477550
>I've been here less than a month.

You're supposed to lurk 2 years before posting newfag

>>93478145
Nice, reeeeeeeaaaaaaal NICE.

>>93459161
Why you showing off fine art? Animation would be classified under media arts, along with film and possibly photography, you cunt.

>>93478573
Animators draw still images. They have to be good at drawing. If an art school is producing this kind of shit and thinks it's acceptable then they are also going to produce shit animators.

>>93472270
THIS doesn't feel complete tough.

Duck Tales and OK KO give me a good deal of hope.

>>93477129
>>93477772
Normies have been saying that Sazai-San has jumped shark for decades now just like The Simpsons.

It's ratings come from Japan's government and royal family.
>>93476876
Blame the hamsters.

>>93480632
No, you said this about Nu-PPG and we all know how that went, Nu-Ducktales will suck because it's story structure is as basic as fuck and all of it's idea have been done a million times over before (see Donald's birthday).

>>93480964
Sazae-san has high rating because many people watch it. That's how ratings work.

>>93481033
Millions of people work for the government, thats how governments work.

>>93458804
OH NO ANYTHING BUT THE 3/4 ANGLE!!!!!
Seriously OP what the fuck? This is some basic shit.

>>93481066
Government workers watch TV too, and Sazae-san is one of the most popular shows on TV. The government is also not a monolith.

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>>93481001
>you said this about Nu-PPG
NO ONE fucking said this about nu-PPG. How long have you been on /co/? That show was a disaster before we even got a promo shot and has been nothing but obvious red flags.

>>93458850
Poor staging.

>>93458804
"""""High quality animation"""""" is like that hipster iron age booze. Its for the shitty animation fetishists aka indie animators.

Nobody else is gonna care about it since kids and adults outside the niche fart smelling group honestly don't care.

>>93481120
Most =/= most like, most people think Sazai-San jumped shark in the late 1970s, The Japanese government is the only thing keeping the show alive.
>>93481230
Yes, they had, I don't know how long you have been on /co/ but I have been on /co/ since 2013 and I can tell you Nu-DuckTales will be unwatchable at best.

>>93459161
That makes me physically ill

>>93481285
You're basing this off nothing but the fact that both duck tales and ppg are remakes and your argument is they're the same thing based off nothing but that.

>>93481303
But nobody cares about the animation for it, its the humor and nostalgia that they want. High frame animation is too costly, too niche and just not really adding anything other than the groans of the brainlet going "Mmm yes my dear quite well animated, John K is it...?"

>>93481319
It has not been like that for years and the day Akihito dies is the day Sazae-San gets caned.

>>93481384
Yes, they do, otherwise Mir would of never been founded.

Also Netflix can afford high frame animation and it has never been niche.

>>93481259
It's the flat Flash cartoon style. Talking heads, essentially. To "fix" it, we'll need to spend more money; that's all there is to it. Better, more diverse direction means more camera angles, more poses, more backgrounds, all of which translates directly to time and $$$$$$$.

>>93481474
No, staged, Pixiv does not have as much Sazae-San fan art as much as it does Pokemon fan art.

>>93481470
It has little to do with money. The people in charge must want to use a more complex style and then have the skill to do it.

>>93481496
Pixiv is an otaku site. Sazae-san is a super mainstream family show from the 1960s that is of little interest to fan artists.

>>93481595
Creating fanart and posting it on Pixiv implies a level of dedication that stereotypical normies wouldn't have, and in any case your Pixiv theory is false for reasons I just explained.

Sazae-san seems popular in Japan because it IS popular. There is no conspiracy. Grow up.

>>93481712
Oh my fucking god I should have known, it's Famicom. Again.

>>93481498
It has EVERYTHING to do with money, you sap. Western cartoons get made only if they can be made cheaply. Japanese cartoons look better because animation is cheaper over there. That's basically all there is to it.

>>93481431
Once again, hipster ale and all that. Just because it exists doesn't mean that it is widely liked, private donations from rich shitheels. And when I'm saying its niche I'm not saying that nobody actually takes notes of good animation, just like a nice piece of art even the average person can go "Well that's nice" but that's all, they'd rather use it or have fun instead of solely focusing on the nice piece of art.

>>93481762
It may require more money, but not to the point where it would become a decisive or even important factor.

Japanese animation looks better for many reasons, but money is low on the list. The per-episode costs in America are four to five times higher or more despite the animation being outsourced to Korea/Asia.

>>93481998
Shut the fuck up Famicom.

>>93458969
What about Golden Age of animation cartoons, though? Can't we add those into the rotation?

>>93481712
>>93481595
>>93481474
>>93481319

MOTHERFUCKER ITS YOU!! AGAIN?

ALL HOPE ABANDONED

>>93482127
Why are you quoting me (last two posts)?

>>93482127
Nope, you're way off.

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>>93458804
By doing because you love, not because money and greedy Jews. Even with South Park's animation, it falls into this because they did get creative and change it once in a while.

>>93459051
It's unironically a far better show than Kim Possible with more creative characters and dialog.

>>93481998
[citation needed]

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>>93484055
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/frederator/bee-and-puppycat-the-series

The budgets are right.

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>>93484275
that's 89,000 for 11 minutes though

Also fuck off famicom, you said you were leaving forever

>>93460002
>NEET uprising
Lol
Kill yourself,4Chan

>>93458804
why is the spongebob movie in there?
Also, RS,P&F and GF already ended,and uncle grandpa and AT are cancelled.
Shitty image grandpa.

>>93486496
reddit please go

>>93461876
That's more of a magical girl anime ripoff.
>>93483809
It doesn't even come close to KP's greatness.

>>93484275
Anime has production committees, which budget the money to the point everyone else works for peanuts or sponsorship ensures they can fix things in post. The West has equity where everything is final and domestically everyone's paid fair, not great but fair.

>>93486750
Anime studios don't seem to get a lot of money, but the flipside is that they take no financial risk. They get paid even if the show sells zero discs, while the committee has to take the losses.

>>93473622
Ignore him. He's trolling.