Why is TMNT idw so good?

>>93447803
Because you can phrase any opinion as a question in order to validate it as a fact

>>93447863
This.

>>93447863
>Because you can phrase any opinion as a question in order to validate it as a fact
>Not adding a "?" at the end.

You done fucked up?

>>93447863
That's what's known as a loaded question.

I don't mind IDW, but I feel like there's too many mutants in it. It does a lot right, but it does feel like it needs improvement in a lot of areas. It's definitely leagues better than the shitty Nick toon, though.

>>93447803
After Shredder's death, it seemed to slow down with the Street Phantom arc, but as soon as Darius was killed it got good again as that ended up being one of the turning points to the characters themselves.

as well as
>>93447909
with too many characters, but I do feel that with the inclusion of TMNT Universe, I feel like it everything is fitting in.

>>93447803
Because Tom Waltz made a great job since the beginning. We should give him more credits. Until they keep Campbell far away it will be ok.

>>93447803
What the fuck is with Raph's face?

>>93448650
He can't stand Leo's leadership

>>93447803

because Mateus Santolouco

>>93448672
He looks like he's trying to shit with a rock-hard Randy Marsh level turd stuck just inside his asshole, but there's a river of searing hot reaper pod liquid feces stuck behind it.

>>93448684
Next issue this wednesday will have Dave "meh art" Wachter.

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>>93448744

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>>93447803
Because it doesn't pander to children and tumblrinas.

>>93450150
>tumblrinas
It will because of Campbell

>>93450126
>he was actually saying "Gimme some Raph" because they're all wearing red

>>93450231
It IS possible for...psuedowomen ("trans" sounds too cool and dignified for sufferers of a mental disorder. Sounds like they gained superpowers or some shit, instead of a desire take crossdressing to the next level) to work on something without inserting their agenda into it. Rare, but possible, especially when they can be shit-canned for it. The people paying the bills (readers) have no obligation to play into their personal delusion.

I've heard hints about Jag-War being a chick in this incarnation of the Mighty Mutanimals should he/she be introduced in the comics. Anybody got any info on this?

>>93451977
>I've heard hints about Jag-War being a chick in this incarnation of the Mighty Mutanimals should he/she be introduced in the comics. Anybody got any info on this?
Next issue

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I wish I had cared about da turtles when I was growing up. That's why.

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>>93447803
That is some terrible art.

Think I'll go back to the 2003 cartoon.

hated the 80s turtle cartoon, and was indifferent to the live action film but I find this comic to be consistently decent, not always great but never bad. The ghostbuster crossover was great as well.

I just wish activision let platinum make an idw tmnt game instead of bitching out half way through development and deciding not to make it linear

>>93453672
Nice bait

>>93453727
Not bait, the animation for the 2003 cartoon is GOAT. (Or at least for the only 5 actual seasons.)

>>93453756
So it's a "not muh" situation.

>>93453783
No, the art from the pic in the OP is objectively terrible, regardless of your cartoon tastes.

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>>93453817
>objectively

Actually, TMNT stuff has been on my backlog for a while.

Which should I do first, read the comics or watch the 2003 cartoon?

>>93454064
The 2003 cartoon is over and the current comics still running so start by the cartoon I think.

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>>93447803
IDW TMNT has the continuity bloat of a long-running superhero comic, but everything fits together amazingly well and nothing is forgotten. The book's editing is superb.

It also has remarkably well-realized, three-dimensional characterization, refusing to let the characters fall into lazy stereotypes. It has arguably the best versions of Donatello and Michelangelo for this very reason.

It's not a perfect book. IMO the turtles get lost in the shuffle among the massive cast a little too often (why are the never on the cover of their own book?) but it certainly deserves a place among the best TMNT incarnations of all time.

>>93448755
Agreed on Wachter. Bobby has a great eye for artists but Dave Wachter is probably the weakest regular artist since Andy Kuhn. I'm hoping he'll get better over time.

I'm so glad Cory Smith is going to be back soon. I doubt he'll ever come back as the full time fill-in guy again but he's one of the few artists whose art can stand alongside Santolouco.

>>93454207

Alright with Karai having a story arc in the other TMNT ongoing next month. I think I might be jumping back on the ongoing. Can anyone tell me what I've missed since:

Leatherhead has a vendetta against Utroms.
Splinter is still leading the Foot, but all his sons have left him?
Kistune tried to resurrect Shredder but failed due to Splinter foreseeing her betrayal.
Bishop being introduced.
Ch'rell!!!

>>93454292
>Dave Wachter is probably the weakest regular artist since Andy Kuhn
This.
>I'm so glad Cory Smith is going to be back soon(...) he's one of the few artists whose art can stand alongside Santolouco
This again. Bobby should ask Chris Johnson to work on the ongoing. He made a variant before and will make an issue of the Dimension X mini this summer.

>>93454342
You haven't missed much of anything honestly. Angel and Alopex got to party down with Toad Baron (one of the Pantheon) and Metalhead developed sentience, but that's about all you didn't mention as far as recent events.

>>93454207
tmnt universe is fixing this mostly, but the reason nothing is forgotten is because it has an actual editor, the only thing that is kind of retconned is slash looked more like the other turtles at first and the fugitoid did not really stutter in the first issue

anyone else want a battle for the cowl style story for leading the foot clan.

Like Karai wants to be come shredder
an utrom pretends to be shredder
it would be cool seeing all the foot clan member fighting splinter for control

>>93454534

So nobody has really replaced the void of Shredder being dead and Krang being captured?

Did the 2012 show end or what?

>>93454740

It's still on, but showing it's final run of episodes. Like literally I think there are 15 or so episodes left of the series.

But Nick being Nick. Those could end next year with the way they put the show on hiatus.

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>>93454712
Not in terms of a huge overarching villain, no. The Krang trial arc is going to start soon in the main book as well as in its own devoted weekly miniseries, TMNT: Dimension X.

Getting caught up for that is easy, just read the 2017 FCBD issue.

>>93454712
>not using the utrom shredder idea yet
would be awesome if a utrom pretends to be shredder to have the foot betray splinter

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>>93454809
The Usagi 3-parter airs at the end of July.

I'm pumped.

>>93455265
I'm more for the crossover book

>>93454946

Man, this mini (and the Krang arc) are gonna be great. Just packed full of Archie stuff.

I sort of dropped the comic about two months after Shredder's death. Before Bebop and Rocksteady Destroy Everything. I should have everything in a big dumbass pile I need to bag and board. Anybody have a reading order? I want to catch up so bad. I know this isn't a reading order heavy comic, but if one is floating around, well I'll use it. If not I'll just check the letters column's for the obligatory "HEY GO BUY THIS" footnotes.

>>93455309

What continuity is that set in anyway? Any?

>>93455462
idw, but usagi is the same one who met the mirage turtles

>>93455500

Yeah, he's never been rebooted at all. So either this is one last showing for the Mirage Turtles, or Usagi is going to be confused, right?

I need to read Usagi. One of the last big comics I want to get. Thank god for those Saga editions.

>>93455526
yeah its idw turtles but the same usagi they even comfirmed he will be confused by them

>>93447803
It distills the best elements of the franchise together in a way that feels natural. It's also got the only good version of the Turtles' origin.
Sadly the storytelling isn't that great - pretty much every arc is "oh no, [Turtle] has left the group for [reason], we have to get him back!"

>>93455566

Neat. This would keep with Turtles Forever and there being a TMNT multiverse.

>>93454972
Ch'rell's been teased.

>>93455597

And there only being one Renet.

>>93455641

Wait, what? I thought IDW Renet was a new version different from the original Mirage one?

While we're on the subject, I only recently realized that was her staff in the third film.

>>93455462
>I know this isn't a reading order heavy comic, but if one is floating around, well I'll use it.

Here you go bruv

http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-idw-tmnt-continuity-timeline.html

>>93455526

Okay, he's never been rebooted. But he's appeared in the Wolf cartoon and 4k cartoon. And now the Nick cartoon. Are those alternate Usagi's? Or does he feel the thin grasp of sanity slipping away?

>>93455715

Thanks friend. I hope this will motivate my retarded ass. I really love the book they've built. A few quibbles, but eh what's perfect anyway? But life got in the way a bit.

>>93455663

Nope. Same one. We even see her help beat Savanti Romero in Tales volume 1.

They're a bit vague about including the Nick toon, though.

>>93455775

What's weird about her fighting Savanti Romero? that was all Mirage canon.

I haven't seen the 4kids show.

How does the IDW TMNT show she's the same Renet? From what I recall, she was acting as if she met the Turtles for the first time. Again.

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>>93455526
>So either this is one last showing for the Mirage Turtles, or Usagi is going to be confused

I was really hoping for the former, honestly. We get so few chances to see the Mirage TMNT these days and this would have been a perfect opportunity.

Maybe IDW will release something for the 35th anniversary? We can only hope.

>>93455825

Because in one issue of Bebop and Rocksteady Destroy Everything, we see the end of Tales #7, then Romero meets the IDW versions of B&R.

Later, he and Renet both mistake the IDW turtles for the Mirage ones.

>>93455866

As far as I know Laird can still work on volume 4 as much as he wants. He's just lazy and I don't know what else.

I think he does have a planned ending that would wrap it all up, but I guess he doesn't care if he ever gets there.

>>93455888

Huh. Okay so this connection is made in stuff I haven't read yet.

It sounds like a late edition to the IDWverse stuff that doesn't fully make sense, considering her first appearance there.

>>93455906

Nothing about Renet's order of events makes sense. That's the joke. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey...stuff.

>>93455981

I'm fine with her bouncing all over and all whenvever. It's just that I remember her acting like the Turtles were new in Turtles in Time, and she did the same first time she showed up in Mirage.

>>93456011
To be fair, Renet is a bubblehead of the highest order.

I always liked the idea that Renet being so spacey is largely due to how fucking confusing time travel is.

>>93456382

I doubt this Leo ever had a problem slicing a human. It's just never really come up. He's gone after rank and file Foot, right?

And wasn't original Bishop a cyborg too?

>>93456397

I like the idea that her being so spacey is the only thing that lets her deal with the confusion of it. She just doesn't care because she's incapable of applying enough logic to get confused by it.

>>93456421

Short hair is hot on a woman if it's a feminine style. Her's was. Anybody who thinks it's "dyke"y is in denial about being some kind of homosexual.

>>93456421
what was the point of the hair cut it was so dumb

>>93456422

Bishop was an alien-enhanced genetic clone of a human.

Probably. Maybe. They have were vague.

>>93456422
>And wasn't original Bishop a cyborg too?

4Kids Bishop was a human who got experimented on by aliens and turned into an immortal super soldier.

Nick Bishop is an Utrom with an exo-suit.

IDW Bishop being a cyborg is unique (unless he turns out to be an Utrom like his Nick counterpart, come to think of it, since we only see a robot face and he could very well have an alien in his stomach).

>>93456582

Nobody forced it, it was built in from the start. She was always Ninjara by another name.

>>93456582

Campbell doesn't write.

>>93456497
>That's why I also find Splinter's Assassin Woman to be repulsive looking, she looks like a man thanks to that shaved hair style.

I always forget about her until she's mentioned or shown. She's a complete non-entity.

Her origin story in TMNT Universe was pretty cool though.

>>93456497
>Repulsive

Dude you very clearly have issues. Of TMNT. But also psychological.

>>93456633
>Campbell doesn't write.

Campbell co-wrote TMNT #66 and TMNT Universe #9-10.

He/she/it is trying to transition from an artist to a writer in order to have greater control over the stories and characters.

Yay.

>>93456700

Huh. Neat.

>>93456700

One of the things I've respected about IDW's TMNT series is that it has either stayed out of the LGBTQ shit entirely or introduced things like it in a subtle, non-preachy way (Lindsey being a lesbian).

Hiring a trans to be a writer is pretty much guaranteeing that we're going to get Marvel-tier soapbox sessions about transmisogyny and LGBTQ rights.

It was a fun book while it lasted.

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>>93456633
>Campbell doesn't write.

Yes he does. He also gets a certain level of creative autonomy on every story he works on whether he writes it or not (April's haircut and Pepperoni were his ideas).

>>93456700
>>93456764
>>93456770
>>93456786

My biggest problem with Campbell's written issues is that it's clear he's an artist, not a writer, and doesn't know HOW to write a story.

So both of those stories he co-wrote, the "save Alopex" issue and the two-parter with Toad Baron, have that same copout bullshit resolution where the heroes find the fortitude to overcome the villains because REMEMBER YOUR FAMILY! REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE!

That shit is fanfic-quality writing and it seems to be the only way Campbell knows how to end a story.

Also, the dialogue he writes is really bad. Like, horrifically bad.

>>93456878

Conceit of storytelling. If gods are omniscient and omnipotent like true gods would be, then there wouldn't be a story because they'd be untouchable. If you don't build in a weakness for the heroes to exploit, then there's no story to tell.

It's hard to fuck up any version of TMNT really. You just need the basics:
>The four main characters are teenagers, who were once turtles but were mutated
>They are taught ninjutsu by a mutant rat (human first or rat first, dealers choice)
>One is the leader and wears blue, one is angry and wears red, one is smart and wears purple, and one is funny and wears orange
>They have a female friend who wears yellow (sometimes)
>They fight a evil knight-ninja covered with spikes

Besides that, you can do anything you want.

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When will IDW grace us with his/her presence?

>>93457188

The Dimension X mini seems to include a lot of the old Archie weirdo fucks from there. So... probably there.

I´m fuking hyped for Dimension X.

>>93457208

Probably issue 4, since it has them going to Stump Asteroid.

Catching up Anon here.

Anybody have a link to the issues online? I forget exactly where I left off. I think somewhere in the late 50's. Flipping through a few issues would be obviously helpful, and my issues are in storage.

If you choose to take the moral ground not to share, I'm not going to argue it.

>>93457636
Try readcomicsonline.

>>93457685

I seem to have left off on 54. I thought I read part of the Leatherhead arc. Huh.

I can't believe no comic publisher has shut down that site. That's ah... that's a bit much over there.

>>93457810
From time to time the site goes down like kisscartoon...

>>93457810
Also, if you want to read the minis or universe you have to search for them in the site.

>>93455716
Alternate cartoonverse versions of course. He is the comic version.

>>93447901
this?

>>93457898

Like I said, I have the issues, I just dropped off. I need to know what issue I dropped off at just to make sure I'm not missing that exact issue, whatever it may be.

>>93456836
I agree.
I really had trouble reading the "save Alopex" story line even though I totally ship Raph and Alopex

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>>93455641
Really? She must have gotten a breast reduction, then, if it's the same exact person...

>>93456836
>that same copout bullshit resolution where the heroes find the fortitude to overcome the villain
I disagree with this. It's been proven that conventioanl combat doesn't work against the pantheon. Leo proves this multiple times using that "bullshit copout" that you described.
The writers are just staying consistent.

>>93458675
>Never liked Mr. Angry.

I think that's because you've got a case of projection going.

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>>93458675
You had a point at first then went off the rails really fast.

Raph is definitely the most featured turtle of the four but that's because he's so easy to write. He's the angry, impulsive one that always does something brash that the other turtles have to deal with. And Leo's position has the responsible leader makes him the perfect foil to easy drama. He's the Wolverine to Leo's Cyclops.

Anyway I sort of agree with you that relationships have never been something TMNT has done well. The franchise is much more about the love between family than romance, and that's just fine with me. Not every piece of fiction needs a romance subplot.

>>93447803
>Donatello's face
What the fuck did they do to him?

>>93452085
Regular series or Universe?

>>93458675
>this much raph hate
Someone never read the Mirage books.

>>93459781

Regular. She's one of the Pantheon.

>>93459833

I don't mind the Pantheon existing, but I really don't like characters from different sub groups and so forth randomly retweeked into being part of them.

I kind of think they should have been all originals, or at the last solo characters like Rat King.

>>93460001

So far its just him and Jagwar.

Although I'm sure plenty of people thought toad Baron was going to be one of the Punk Frogs.

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>>93452085
wait, is that supposed to be this Jagwar? I didn't even notice, without the whole tribal theme it looks like a totally different character.

>>93460115

No, we haven't seen Jagwar yet. They introduced Dreadmon.

Oh, and the Gang of Four.

>>93460153
oh, so who is the cat chick then?
And who is the gang of four?

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>>93460544

Sally Pride. She's a new character for IDW.

And the Gang of Four are a redesigned version of these guys from the Archie run. Cyborg assassins. Now they're four human guys who can mutate and de-mutate themselves at will.

Honestly IDW kinda seems to be killing it lately.

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>>93460676
It was never bad, but the IDW series really hit its stride with Secret History of Foot Clan and it hasn't let off the gas yet.

>>93460855

It took that long for you to feel they had something? They got me at issue one.

>>93460894

For me it was issue...10, I think? When Splinter and Shredder meet for the first time. First time in the present, I mean.

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>>93460894
>It took that long for you to feel they had something?

No, SHotFC was just when the book got really, REALLY good. I would say the book first got my attention with issue 5/the Raph micro. The first four issues were pretty whatever but those two really intrigued me.

On a related note, it's nuts how much better Hob became over time. I was actually kind of hoping he was dead when Stockman shot him and now he's one of the best IDW-original characters.

>>93461063
Yeah, at first he just hate Splinter and the Turtles, now he´s a fucking antihero with a good team and a grey morality.

>>93447803
because idw usually seems to at the base level of a comic based on old mediums, find a nice balance between "honoring the old" and "making good additions"

>>93461181
TMNT has never really had a stable of worthwhile villains. It's basically been Shredder and a bunch of one-and-dones for most of the franchise's history. I always thought TMNT relied too heavily on the Foot Clan as an antagonist so it's cool that these guys are putting the effort into introducing a variety of recurring villains.

>>93457987
Correct?

>>93460894
Too me about issue 6, the reincarnation angle did take some getting used too. but as soon as you adjust to the origin change, it's all great.

>>93454064
Well the last issue of IDW just came out so you have time to read and catch up by the time the next comes out then the 03 cartoon

>>93456564
I doubt he will ever be more than human, he said he chose to have himself augmented because it was necessary to keep humanity "safe" from freaks like the turtles. So he just seems like a very committed motherfucker and I can't see him being alien unless he just didn't know and was revealed to brainwashed or something.

>>93457095
>knight-ninja
That's called a samurai.

>>93461736

I love reincarnation for Splinter. It explains a lot perfectly. I'm fine with it for Shredder.

Not big on it for the Turtles. I like the found family element.

Due to that, I loved the scene early on where Splinter calls for a family meeting and April and Casey get up to leave. It's a bit awkward because their faces say "did we just get kicked out?' then as they head to the door Splinter asks them to stay because they're family.

>>93462827
>I loved the scene early on where Splinter calls for a family meeting and April and Casey get up to leave. It's a bit awkward because their faces say "did we just get kicked out?' then as they head to the door Splinter asks them to stay because they're family.

That part was so great.

Family, honor, revenge. These are the central themes of TMNT and just about every incarnation has them in some fashion, but the IDW comic really hammers them home.

>>93464345
>Family, honor, revenge.
That made the final fight with Shredder the best Turtles comic I've ever read.

>>93458910
>Anyway I sort of agree with you that relationships have never been something TMNT has done well. The franchise is much more about the love between family than romance, and that's just fine with me. Not every piece of fiction needs a romance subplot.

This.

>>93458910
>Anyway I sort of agree with you that relationships have never been something TMNT has done well.

Yeah, the bigger issue isn't that romance is inherently wrong for TMNT stories, it's just that no one has ever been able to implement it competently.

Even the Archie Raph/Ninjara thing that everyone swoons over, if you go back and read it, was lousy. When introduced, Ninjara is a genocidal psycho who wants to set off a nuclear reactor and kill millions of humans. One issue later she and Raph are in love and no one ever mentions that time Ninjara tried to commit nuclear genocide ever again.

Raph/Alopex suffers because the pair haven't spent much time together and whatever their "bond" is, there's no substance to it. So they shared an awkward glance 30 issues ago during the fight with Bebop and Rocksteady and then scarcely said 6 words to each other since then? I guess that means they're totally boyfriend/girlfriend, sure.

Still, nothing's worse than Donatello/April/Casey love triangle in the Nick cartoon. That bar's set so low, no one can go beneath it.

>>93465687
Can't agree more with you, especially on the love triangle in Nick or any other romance subplot in that show.

In that one episode of season 3 (where Donnie got mutated into a car) the relationship between Casey and Donnie has progressed and then some episodes later they are at each other's throats again.

I also don't understand the relationship between Karai and Leo. How did it even start? As far as I remember Leo liked her because he thought that she can be a good person (she actually wasn't), but doesn't that make Leo look naive? For me he was never naive, so it doesn't make sense to me.

I don't even want to start on Raphael/Mona Lisa.

Are kids even interested to watch this romantic drama?

>>93455866
>>93455890
Isn't Laird the only one allowed to use the Mirage versions now?

I know Alopex and Raph is not a good couple but I totally ship them. Hope they develop more in that aspect.

>>93455866
Why is there only one James Stokoe in the world?

>>93467820
I think that's Eastman, not Stokoe.

>>93465965
>where Donnie got mutated into a car

he what
is that like that part in Turtles Forever where the turtles save April (at least once every week) from a mutant banana?

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>>93467914
It was called "Race with the demon"

All I want is a PS4 Xbone steam port of the old arcade games with unlock able concept art and drop in drop out online play it's literally free money

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>a tmnt thread that doesn't die quickly

>>93455581

The one where they're all lab experiments and Splinter is just a rat? The Michael Bay movie one?

I'm sorry, but I just can't countenance that. There are good origins and bad origins, and that is the absolute worst one.

I read Vol 1 of IDW Turtles, and I'll be honest, it didn't hook me. Is it worth reading more? Does it get better?

>>93469666
>The one where they're all lab experiments and Splinter is just a rat? The Michael Bay movie one?
IDW started publishing the book before the 2014 movie. You have the right to not like the idea but when you write new thing about characters so popular you must bring new ideas on the table. The idea is a thing its execution is another. I think the idea of reincarnation is well executed cause it brings something more deep to the origins. Remember the Mirage origins? A rat who learned kung fu...I'm glad they made something else and not the same thing.

>>93469666
>I read Vol 1 of IDW Turtles, and I'll be honest, it didn't hook me. Is it worth reading more? Does it get better?

The book decompresses rather badly over the first year (Shredder takes 3 issues/months to move from the spot he's standing in) as Waltz gets his shit together, but once all the groundwork is laid it ramps up very quickly.

Read up through Secret History of the Foot Clan (which, IMO, is when the book actually started to get good). If it doesn't appeal to you by then, it probably isn't for you.

>>93469278
>a tmnt thread

>>93469666
nice trips
Well, if you didn't like the origin, which will be mentioned in many arcs, but you are okay with it then why not?
Read at least first 20 issues.

>>93465571
Not only that, but let's be realistic. These days the instant sign of any story turning to shit? Romance. Please don't argue against it. Doesn't help that the people writing this shit don't know the first thing about how men and women truly are and function.

The other problem is even if they know how sexual relations function? Do you really think editors will permit the truth to be put into media? No way. Especially when the audience is teens or younger.

Could you imagine Splinter telling Raphael "Watch out my son, Alopex is only getting chummy with you because she wants you to provide and protect for her. Fuck her and then dump her."

>>93469820
City Fall was a very good story arc, Attack on Technodrome and Vengeance too. Some minis are fun some are meh. Only bad things they made is the awful Casey and April mini and the annuals.

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>>93469932
Well, Casey and April mini had Rat King, so I liked it

>>93465687
>Yeah, the bigger issue isn't that romance is inherently wrong for TMNT stories, it's just that no one has ever been able to implement it competently.

The only way I could ever entertain the thought of romance in TMNT? Is if the story of TMNT is that they are mutants, but in the present mutants took over the damn world and humans are a supreme minority. The world belongs to the mutants who own countries and civilization. Under those conditions the turtles can mingle with a plethora of ladies to get sexual with. As regular TMNT series are constructed? Mutants are a minority and they got bigger problems to worry about, like survival, to get into romance antics.

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>>93470026
I don't like IDW Rat King. I always liked Mirage Rat King, he is a tragic freak.

>>93465965
>Are kids even interested to watch this romantic drama?

Girls yes, boys no. Let's be realistic, boys for the most part don't care about romance shit. Look at how many guys in retrospect say they hated Chichi from Dragon Ball whenever she got screen time aka the scenes when Goku is living a Domestic Life. People don't watch action for bullshit of the sort, especially when it stars particularly annoying female characters who no one punches in the face because "Teaching boys that punching girls is not right" fuck that garbage. Chichi was infuriating and I will never understand the beta males who love these cunt female characters.

>>93470078
I like them both. Nick's Rat King was okay as well (too bad he died)

>>93466637
Because of the way the writing handles Raph/Alopex? And because they hired that horrible transsexual to helm the romance? You know what's going to happen?

Raphael's Female Dinosaur Pet is going to be mutated. Pepperoni will be the new Mona Lisa and there will be a new Love Triangle for melodrama between Raphael, Alopex, and Pepperoni's mutated form.

>>93470143
Pepperoni is just a pink turd. Campbell is a good artist but also a terrible writer...

>>93469915
I guess a pretty good example is the relationship betwee Raph and Mona Lisa in Nick's cartoon. I felt like Raph was out of character to the point of it being cringy. One of the reason why I stopped watching. (the other reason is that the space arc was completely fucked)

>>93470143
>Pepperoni will be the new Mona Lisa and there will be a new Love Triangle for melodrama between Raphael, Alopex, and Pepperoni's mutated form.
plz no

Also, is Campbell a boy or a girl? I'm really confused

>>93470210
You're right. And here's the thing, even if Pepperoni doesn't mutate as that Mini-Comic implied.....the idea of the turtles having pets always felt wrong. They're animal mutants, why would they keep pets. I don't care if they're dinosaurs or in Nick TMNT's case a space reptile that Raphael also keeps as a pet. It's a stupid idea.

You don't see Starfox characters with animal pets. You don't see Sly Cooper with animal pets. And you don't see Klonoa with animal pets because it is an unsettling and idiotic undertone to put into your stuff. Mickey Mouse has a dog for a pet, but it's always unsettling because Mickey is friends with Goofy an anthro dog.

To sum up, anthros should not have animal pets.

>>93470244
Campbell is a MAN. He had his cock and balls chopped off so he could "transition" into a woman, but it doesn't matter what he does to his genitalia. He is a man.

>>93470244
Trans woman

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>>93470262

>>93470244
>Also, is Campbell a boy or a girl? I'm really confused
Years ago it was Ross then became Sophie

>>93470247
This

>>93447803
Because you touch your self at night.

>>93469794
Wait, where does reincarnation come into it?

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>>93470421
>tumblrina faggotry

>>93468320
This how has no one did that yet especially when activision had the license

>>93470401
it's the part of the origin. I don't remember when it was mentioned at first tho. The fifth issue, i think.

>>93470476
Looks like I've got more to read, then. To the comic book shelf!

>>93470476
Good luck, anon.

>>93470421
wew

>>93470421
>Names starting with lower case.
>Using gendered terms to refer to a monogendered group wrong, somehow.
>"u" instead "you"
>#inclusive
>#alienate

Find the person who wrote this and kill them!

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>>93470401
tl;dr

>Hamato Yoshi betrays Shredder, Shredder hunts down and kills Yoshi's entire family, they are reborn as lab animals.
>As of issue 50 it's possible they were just given implanted memories to be motivated to kill Shredder.

Vid explains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wplOoDgW-lk

>>93467914
>I think that's Eastman, not Stokoe.

It's actually Laird inks on Eastman pencils, which is why it looks so damn good. It was the first time they'd collaborated on something TMNT related in like 20 years.

The Eastman/Laird team is the ultimate example of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. Every time those two did TMNT stories on their own they were mediocre at best, but together they made magic happen.

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>>93472708
>Laird no more give a fuck about tmnt
I want to end this pain

>>93473699

>sidecut

wtf is Campbell's obsession with that particular haircut. He gives it to everyone in everything he does.

>>93473699
Cancer

>>93473699
I sincerely hope Transsexual Campbell is fired. No one likes Koya and her disgusting romance with the Shark Dude. Also I spot mutated Pepperoni, another bad idea. And as far as Pepperoni goes, does anyone else HATE her name? Food names are dumb.

>>93472756
>>93472708
the first issue of tmnt universe has a laird and eastman cover

>>93473851
This. Can't stand all this bullshit anymore.

>>93454207
>IDW TMNT has the continuity bloat of a long-running superhero comic, but everything fits together amazingly well and nothing is forgotten.
I'd say that everything doesn't really fit together that well, and while things don't get forgotten, they do tend to just sit around for long stretches of time as lingering plot hooks that just get ignored for years at a time. The bloat can get really bad when they're not focusing on the Foot.

what would be the best version of the tmnt to adapt for a porn parody asking for a firend

>>93470247
eh? I always enjoy clank. Especially that one issue where he died.

>>93476903
I guess that would depend on what characters would be used.

>>93475235
>I'd say that everything doesn't really fit together that well

Okay then what doesn't work?

>>93470244

Campbell's a gril now. I don't believe of trap quality.

This TMNT thread is full of a weird amount of trans hate. Even by 4chan standards.

>>93477098
>>93477221

He meant Klunk. Michelangelo's pet cat he had in Mirage. And Nick. And 4kids. Because the Ruttles have just never had a pet before.

>>93447803
Was where all that Hydra Cap outrage when Splinter lead the foot?

>>93477303

More like nervous Marge Simpson "hhhmmm"s.

>>93477303
It wasn't like he was saying "Shredder was right" like Cap

>>93447803
Could anyone give a old school tmnt cartoon and movie fan,quick rundown of this IDW series?

am I the only one not getting the campbell hate? I find it pretty average. I don't hate or lover her art style or anything. and I feel that the artstyle itself needs a colorist to work (aka Alopex working well while the Toad Baron didnt). As for stories, they are no way near as bad as Casey/April mini which is no doubt the worst story in the series.

As for Pepporoni, I can understand from a point of view that literally having her fucks up with the very natural order of the timeline and all, but the way you guys make it sound it's she is some kind of mary sue on the level of Nick April

>>93477303
Splinter has always been a member of the foot clan. The only reason he left was because of Saki and so without him, there would not be a reason to go back.

>>93477336
Meaning what?

It's essentially an "Ultimate" TMNTverse. It combines Mirage, Wolf, 4Kids, dash of Nick, healthy dose of Archie, and more than a few original Mutants and concepts. It's done a fantastic job at telling a cohesive story which combines the best ideas from multiple continuities. It's about 130 issues in when you add in the tie in issues and minis, which are totally necessary.

If you want to read physically, get the IDW Collection hardcovers which contain all the issues in proper reading order.

>>93477348

Yeah I don't get it either. She shouldn't be allowed to redesign things so willy nilly. Too many hipster cuts. And her art was better before she got so cutesy. She needs editorial reigning in, not to be destroyed or some such malarkey.

>>93477415
>get the IDW Collection hardcovers which contain all the issues in proper reading order.

Yeah, I wanna start from the beginning, the arts fantastic.

>>93477455

I HIGHLY suggest that set then. Many of the "Micro Series" issues take place between sporadic issues of the main book. (Micro Series means one shots in TMNT speak. 16 off them. All but 1 very important to the main book over time.) The tie ins are just part of the main book. Marketing them in separate trades was nuts. Bah. Anyway. The IDW Collection remedies this. All in nice tidy order. Only downside is that only 4 are out. The 6th isn't due until February and that will conclude the first mega-arc.

>>93477455
the art doesn't get better until it's around the 20s or 40s range. I think it started when Santo did the "history of the foot" short issue.

>>93477506
Yeah, already ordering the first volume from Amazon now.
>>93477571
Cool cool..

>>93477571

I liked the original art. It fit the book. A lot of the Micro's had great art too.

Santolouco is a real gift to the franchise though.

There's a new season of Nick's TMNT out too.

>>93477615

Yeah... eh.... eeeeh.

Usagi crossover though.

>>93477648

Yeah most of the physical tweaks carrying over to IDW I'm okay with. I like it a bit more subtle, but it works.

Shame they fired the original showrunner. Nick started really well.

I still think Nick is doing well. Zombie Shredder getting revived by fucking Dragon Satan. Mona Lisa staying with the Mighty Mutanimals.

>>93477657

I'm hoping that they're treating it as a three part mini, have nothing left to do, and Sakai's influence gives us one last gem.

>>93470035
I've always felt like Mikey would be the easiest turtle to put in a relationship with a regular human.

Just pair him with a normie pizza girl or something. Maybe realistically tackle how hard maintaining a relationship would be.

>>93477443
>her

lol

>>93447803
i-is that Mondo Gecko?

>>93478153

Check out the edge here. So woke. So redpilled. Praise Kekistan!

>>93478301

IDW has dug deep. I think Next Mutation is the only continuity not referenced yet.

Oh and the original films I guess. People have asked for Tatsu, But no Tatsu.

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>>93478335
Tatsu showed up in a cameo I think?

>>93455265
WAIT, nick are doing a 3 episode Usagi arc?

>>93478660
Yeah, and people are complaining about it.

>>93471844
This man is full of shit and garbage. What is he talking about Alopex being just as MEMORABLE as Old Hob? What is he smoking? Alopex never can compare to Hob. She lacks a personality for starters. Hob always had a personality and from it, worked to evolve and become independently worthwhile.

Alopex? When she was a villain she was literally just a grunt. Her dialogue was mostly "Yes Master" "will do it Master" and then she switched sides merely to suck Raphael's cock because outside of swallowing turtle sperm she doesn't do anything. She also outright lacks a purpose and a reason to exist. The only reason people like this chucklefuck praise Alopex is because of the Campbell Fluffy Design because prior to that design no one gave a shit about Alopex. Purely flash, no substance.

Even if Hob is drawn with a shitty artist his characterization is the base that keeps him good and worthwhile. I cannot say the same for Alopex at all. On that note, Sally Pride is in my opinion the ONLY good IDW TMNT female on the basis that she much like Hob has her own independent characterization and the writing works from it to evolve her further (like recently confirming Sally doesn't hate human mutated animals).

Alopex is shit. Putting her in the same category as Hob is an insult. Fuck this clown.

>>93478711
>Alopex never can compare to Hob
to be fair, she is so far the only orginal character of IDW to break from the comics in other mediums (despite TMNT Nick Alopex just being Ninjara.)

>>93448672
Raph's a little bitch desu

So how many love interest does each Turtle have?

>>93478679
fucking WHAT why? If anything it's taken too long for nick to get to the Usagi appearance.

>>93478921
Cause Nick is bad, apparently? I enjoyed World's Collide.

>>93447803
I could never get back into it after the farm.

>>93478769
>So how many love interest does each Turtle have?

Donatello is the only Turtle to have never gotten laid in any continuity

>Leonardo fucked Radical in Mirage
>Mikey fucked the Regenta in Mirage
>Raph fucked Mezcaal in Archie

But no poontang for Donnie. Ever.

>>93478932
Nick has been fine, it's full of fanservice and every now and then they have to bend the arcs to fit making new toys. It's perfectly serviceable show when you realise we have to spend a season at the farm to introduce a horror toys line or space for aliens.

I mean fuck, I'd take the farm or space over fucking FAST FORWARD any day.

>>93478959
But there's also characters like Irma, April, Mona, Ninjara, that weird Elf from another dimension.

>>93478996

Lots of love interests, but Donatello hasn't fucked any of them in any continuity. He's the only one. He remains pure.

So was it revealed Karai is actually a monkey mutant?

I say we make a new 5th turtle. Named Bumbo.

>>93479101

Gender dysphoria is a form of mental illness and IDW really, REALLY shouldn't be giving a mentally ill person the reins to the series.

>>93470143
Honestly Id be happy if Raph confessed his love and Alopex came out as lesbian or some bullshit.
Or she just denies him, I love me some dreams but dislike that relationship if you can even call it that

>>93479160
*drama not dreams wtf

>>93478959
Leo has had: Kurai and Radical
Raph had: Mona Lisa, Ninjara, Alopex
Mikey had: Aska/Mitsu, Shinigami, and Kala.
Donnie could have had the following: Irma, April, Bigfoot.

>>93479101
It ain't no Bumbo.

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>>93479101
Wait he's the one behind this monstrosity with the black April.

>>93479330
Ain't no Bumbo.

New Head Canon: Karai's the daughter of Tatsu.

>>93478932
>Cause Nick is bad, apparently?

It's not bad, it's just painfully uneven and outright mediocre most of the time. It wants to take itself seriously, but it isn't willing to put the work in to actually tell a cohesive story. Continuity or lasting consequence are thrown away the instant they become inconvenient.

I pretty much checked out permanently when Mikey accidentally created a bunch of retromutagen just in time for the turtles to take back New York City from the Kraang invasion. The writers did it because they needed to resolve the Kraang invasion plot quickly and easily, without throwing out the ongoing status quo of "retromutagen is hard to come by". So sure, Mikey accidentally creates the very thing they need to save the day.

Sure. Whatever. Not like anyone's invested in the plot or anything.

>>93479330
I don't want Campbell anywhere near the writing room for the IDW series, and I personally find the 5th female turtle to be a creatively bankrupt idea that just won't go away for some reason, but I have to give Campbell props for his version. I like making the girl turtle androgynous, rather than just giving her child bearing hips and molding tits into her plastron. I also think making her quiet/introverted is a decent way to make her fit in with the other four turtles' archetypal personalities.

If someone was to pull the trigger on the 5th girl turtle idea, AND THEY SHOULDN'T, this would be the way to do it.

>>93479897
Mona Lisa was supposed to be a turtle, got turned into a lizard newt, then Salamander.

And I can make a 5th turtle too. He's a sea turtle, and just sits in a puddle and screams.

>>93479417
..... Okayb that would be a neat way to develop her and bring him into IDW canon. Show him as managing a less gang like, more business oriented Japanese Foot.

>>93479984
>Tatsu sells foot brand shoes.

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>>93473978
>the first issue of tmnt universe has a laird and eastman cover

Thank you, I was not aware of this.

God, I want these two to collaborate on a story at least one more time.

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>>93480048
Cover done by Eastman and Laird.

>>93480035
or how about foot brand gloves

>>93480129
DareDevil's evil group the Hand would sue.

>>93480151
all are beneath the foot especially prices

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>>93480128
And another.

Is Old Hob the Big Boss of TMNT?

>>93480698
Not really. His followers don't truly believe in his ideals because they chill with humans (Christmas Issue).

Also may as well ask, but did you people hear about the Starfox 2 Release. Fay and Miyu are about the become canon.

>>93480795

I really wonder how this official release will differ from the Roms and Repros out there.

I have one for my SNES. It's fun to bust out every now and then. Weird. But fun.

It's like Command Mission and 64 had a weird grandparent in common they didn't know about.

>>93480048
This cover is not new. It's from the 90 movie adaptation.

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Cory posted a preview page of issue 73 on twitter.

I'm so stoked he's back.

>>93481403
>Pepperoni everywhere
Kill this shitty pet

Is there going to be a 5th turtle on this IDW ongoing?

>>93481647
Hope not but if we don't stop Sophie Cancerbell this bullshit will happen

>>93478679
But why? I always loved the episodes with him in 4kids cartoon. His friendship with Leo was my favorite.

post yfw IDW gets the rights to Street Sharks and they do a cross over.

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>>93483591
Who cares?

>>93483733
These guys.
>>93483632

>>93483591
Who owns the rights? Mattel? I remember Archie published a comic years ago.

>>93479160
Pex was looking comfy as hell cuddling with Angel in Baron Toad's mansion...

>>93477247
No, he's a mangled dude that looks like an ugly chick. Surgery can't change what you are, just what you resemble.

I hope to God they don't pair Sally with Hob. I'd rather she or Jagwar be with Dreadmon, Man-Ray, or Mondo (or even Sally x JagWar, to satisfy Ross). Hob needs to be alone in his festering hate, and pairing cats just cuz they're cats, regardless of clashing personalities is stupid.

>>93484631
Well, there were no hints of them (Hob and Sally) liking each other romantically, so you are safe

>>93484645
For now

>>93477443
She seems to want short haired April bad to, like what was the point

>>93447863
well what do you know
fpbp

>>93483632

Hehehe...Moby Lick.

>>93485856
>She

Ha.

Do you consider Chris Chan a "she" now, too?

>>93481647
No way. The team is well balanced already.

>>93479330

The idea of a female Turtle isn't horrific in and of itself. I mean, we already have two other mutant Turtles in the franchise (Slash and Tokka) and a robot Turtle (Metalhead). If fans can make their peace with all of them, I'm sure they can deal with an additional mutant Turtle even if it has a vag.

The problem is when they try to make her "the fifth Turtle" or force her into the dynamic. People like Slash or Tokka or Metalhead because even though they're also ninja turtles, they aren't part of THE Ninja Turtles.

Venus de Milo or whatever could work so long as she isn't ramrodded into the main group and remains an outside player like all those other mutant Turtle characters.

>>93483591
BRUH

>>93487114

I think the bigger issue is that a female ninja turtle with a colored bandana who is included as a love interest for one of the TMNT is absolutely THE MOST fanficky thing a writer could possibly do.

This >>93479330 is embarrassing shit as a consequence.

It doesn't really matter if you keep them segregated from the main cast ala Slash. They're going to come off like Venus the Hedgehog no matter what you do.

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bump

Can somebody briefly outline the various iterations/continuities of the turtles for me?And how they fit together/reference one another

>>93488714
tmntentity.blogspot.com is a good source for that.

>>93488714

If they're seperate continuities, how would you expect them to fit together? Not trying to be an ass, just curious as to the thinking here.

As you would expect newer continuities tend to include new concepts from the old. Usually new mutants.

There's been one crossover film.

Usually each new cartoon or film series is a new continuity. Each new comic publisher too, though that is a bit more involved.

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>>93479330
Someone made female tmnt oc fanart?

THey are worst than satan, amirite?

>>93484631
>I hope to God they don't pair Sally with Hob
THere is more of a possibility of Sally getting with Lindsay

>>93490107
Hot

>>93490027
> Female turtle has tits
> Female tutrle has hair
why

>>93487203
>who is included as a love interest for one of the TMNT is absolutely THE MOST fanficky thing a writer could possibly do.
But Venus WASN'T a love interest. I mean, all the turtles flirted with her a little in the early episodes, but she didn't reciprocate, and they dropped that pretty quickly.

>>93487114
This is the most reasonable post I've ever seen on the subject of Venus.

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>>93493397

Mutated Pepperoni = triceraton. Just thought of that. Now I want it.

>>93493014
Her shell also shouldn't be on the outside of her clothes, unless it's actually coming out of a hole in the back of said clothes. The TMNT don't work under toon physics.

>>93493014
Mona Lisa was a fucking newt, and has hair
Mondo Gecko has hair.

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>>93494998
One artist has justified this (pic related)

>>93495163
True, I won't argue with that. But isn't it still weird?

>>93495329
It depends on how it's portrayed, I think. Hell, another example is the street shark character Roxx. Everyone else mutated into sharks and other sea animals, lose their hair. But Roxx grows his hair longer. And it works.

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>>93495349
>It depends on how it's portrayed, I think.
I agree. At least it suits Mondo Gecko.

bumping to find out if tmnt is getting anew issue tomorrow

>>93496608
I don´t think so. Issue 71 is scheduler until July 12.