>barely selling 17K copies AHHHHHHHHHH how the fuck did this

>>93435157
>17K copies

Image Comics that sell at 10K are considered big successes.

Captain Marvel has exactly zero pop culture presence aside from Earth's Mightiest Heroes and a few video games appearances. The Brie Larson movie is aimed at 2018. She's basically a blank.

There's no reason she would be a popular character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7ksGZHzUqI

>>93435157
Because they never did before, no reason to start now.

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>>93435157
Bulldyke body and lesbian hair dont sell

its time to turn carol to starfire

>>93435284

OH BOY A 13 MINUTE LONG YOUTUBE VIDEO THAT'S JUST AUDIO

I'M SURE WE'RE ALL GONNA STOP WHAT WE'RE DOING AND LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE DURATION OF THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO, THAT IS OVER 13 MINUTES LONG

THANK YOU FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THIS 4CHAN THREAD WITH A 13 MINUTE YOUTUBE VIDEO

>>93435157
17k is more than she deserves.

>>93435348
your welcome

in b4 GIVE HER A GIRLFRIEND

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>>93435157
She hasn't married Spider-Woman yet.

She's not interesting at all

>>93435410
>>93435442

im sick of lesbians

why we can´t have a strong sexy and Heterosexual woman for once?

>>93435157
I don't get marvel's thinking here. THrey want to push her hard but every time they relaunch her it's a shit creative team. You'd think after 6 failed ongoings they'd finally put some A+ talent on her.

>>93435157
They made her look like a lesbo

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Because they ruined her

>>93435487
because thats not hot

>>93435559
All she had was tits and ass. Now she has nothing.

>>93435559
to be fair her old costume was generic as fuck

>>93435487
Because western culture has associated being feminine with being weak.

Which is why "strong female characters" are almost always masculine as fuck and are just men with boobs.

>>93435348
Negro I always listen to YouTube videos and don't bother with watching. It's not difficult to have it play in another tab as you jerk off to porno in another and shitpost on the 4chan on another

>>93435601
Sometimes they don't even have boobs.

>>93435487
Because most neckbeards who consider their waifu a lesbian are less threatened than when their waifu is getting dicked by a male who is in every way better than them,

>>93435157
>Good comic not selling
I'm shocked, anon. This has never happened before.

>>93435592
It is less generic that what she got now to be honest, not necessarily better, but the SCARF AS BELT is something, which is better then the outright "Nothing outstanding" that her current has.

Mus. Marvel has the best costume though, because it looks goofy as fuck.

>>93435601
>>implying that women are not portrayed as week in every culture
If anything the west always gave women more chances to look "strong" than other civilizations..

>>93435487
I'm not sick of lesbians because they're either written shitty or obscure as hell.

If they just accepted that cheesecake lesbians can still be cheesecake FOR lesbians, maybe it'd be worth paying attention.

Like, man, a character can be sexy and serious and still be progressive. You don't have to check every box on the tumblr checklist at once.

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>>93435487
>why we can´t have a strong sexy and Heterosexual woman for once?

You'll get forced lesbianism and you'll like it!

>>93435716
Oh, and it'd be nice if they weren't all written like rejects from bad Joss Whedon fanfiction, that'd be super too.

>>93435695
>putting words in my mouth
You can have a strong female character without making them a butchy masculine dyke.

Look at japan. They have an entire genre about frilly little girly girls beating things up.

This trend of "empowering" women by erasing everything that's feminine about them and replacing it with masculine traits is kind of insulting.

>>93435157
shes a lame character that marvel keeps trying to force down people throats, shes what cyborg is to DC.

>>93435157

I don't think is the character's fault per say. But Marvel saturates the market with so many of their books that not only puts a hard limit on how many books a Marvel fan might be able to buy, but also spreads thin the talent they have (or lack of therefore).

>>93435797
What the hell's She-Hulk up to these days?

>>93435664
This

>>93435157
She has the love and adoration of the average Marvel NPC and fellow heroes, what more could she ask for?

>>93435157
the whole dyke things wears thin quickly.

>>93435797
>putting words in my mouth
You said "western culture" what implies that there is cultures where women are portrayed as "strong" and that's not the case.

>>93435881
>the average Marvel NPC
>love and adoration
That's actually an accomplishment when you consider who you're dealing with.

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>>93435844
I dunno. Judging from this cover, I don't wanna know.

Cause it fucking sucks.

See people keep complaining about Carol being a dyke but the problem is she's not even a lesbian.

Like it'd be one thing if you even got that much out of her.

>>93435608
>watching mute porn

>>93435666
It is not a good comic.

The previous volume actually started okay-ish, but then CWII happened.

>>93435952
Apparently, if you're not a mutie Despite the fact that they've save the earth than anyone can count, especially the fucking inhumans you're pretty much good.

>>93435157
Because she became an awful character.

>>93435797
>Look at japan. They have an entire genre about frilly little girly girls beating things up.
>Powerpuff Girls
>Junipper lee
>Kim Impossible
>Teenager Robot
>Star vs Forces of Evil

And others

>>93435982
Her new thing is being sad and dramatic.
Her Hulk-ness now works like Bruce's, rather than an intentional change that just lowers her inhibitions somewhat.

They're backpedaling on that for Legacy, though.
I'm sure the book will still be mediocre.

>>93435982
This is pretty much the state of her comic, if not most Marvel comics in general, except change a few things around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmuT8UeTk4s

>>93436108
The last one there is the only recent one.

>>93435664
I can see that

>>93435157
Trade sales from Amazon and digital services.

It's the only explanation.

>>93436108
>Powerpuff Girls

Not anymore.

It's not selling because there isn't a trailer out yet for the movie.

>>93436270
The first volume of the KSD run is selling pretty well continually but the rest still sell poorly.


Here's the real reason they won't cancel it:
When a movie comes out, people go out and buy the trades.

However, Carol only became Captain Marvel and got the costume she's gonna have in the movie a couple years ago. The only trades they have to sell prior to that are with Ms. Marvel and the male Captain Marvel, neither of whom will be in the movie.

Her book is being kept going solely to build up as many trades to sell as possible, that's literally all there is to it. They do the same thing for everything Marvel Studios announces, but the situation was bad for Inhumans, Captain Marvel and Guardians of the Galaxy, who had relatively little material to reprint. That's why they've pushed Carol and the Inhumans so hard and why they started a new GotG series immediately after the movie was announced, but I don't think they expected it to be a big hit so you didn't see them get pushed as hard until afterwards.

>>93435487
Well, Marvel could give She-Hulk more attention, but they already have 3 meta characters in the spotlight right now.

>>93435157
>17K copies
and that's counting the free overships

>>93435157

Is she still overly violent but still secretly wishing she was popular?

>>93436932
She got popular and hates it. Still overly violent as ever.
It's a good book

>>93435592
>generic
Nigga, it's her most iconic outfit, no one it's going to remember the jumpsuit and dyke haircut she is using now, besides for being the most unaesthetic shit ever.

>>93435157
Because her current ongoing is shit? Her last ongoing was good and I was buying it, but dropped the book with the current volume as did many others according to sales considering it was selling better by issue 10 then it currently is selling by issue 5.

>>93435157
Marvel doesn't care to sell comics. They are all about movies. I hope the sjw poison leaks into the movies but I'm willing to bet the teams who made previous movies a commercial success with stop it.

>>93436844
We got Hulk(female)
She-hulk it's dead at this point too.

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>>93435666
>Captain Marvel is good
Stop trying to trick us with your lies, Satan.

>>93437129
>generic robin mask
>generic wonder woman tights
>fully black
generic as fuck

>>93435272
>There's no reason she would be a popular character.

She's the most popular super hero in the world anon. :D

>>93437184
It's confirmed that she's going back to She-hulk for Legacy.

>>93435529
Marvel doesn't have any talent left. The only books they put out that are good are on accident.

>>93435592
The one she has now is far worse. And the curves being gone is annoying. The hair itsnt the worst thing but o wish they had kept her colors and curves. Also it feels like she is shorter now.

>>93437201
Considering that carol black outfit is high cut, Wonder Woman looks like wearing a diaper.
Also she has thigh high boots and the scarf, and her simbol on the costume is really well placed, the costume consist of a lot of different "generic" stuff from other characters, but aesthetics on the final result are good, unlike the garbage of suit she is using now.

>>93435844
I want a she hulk origin movie where she deals with her slut urges and she's embaraced to be seen in hulked.

>>93437410
>hulked
Unhulked state

>>93436123
Reading the comic it feels more like she's repressing it rather than it being triggered by her emotional state. The issue really seems to be that she's unwilling to lower her inhibitions and properly express her grief.

>>93436817
I'm pretty sure at this point they've got something like eight or nine trades out, more if you count tie-ins, for Captain Carol. GotG had four or five trades, IIRC.

>>93436123
I thought Legacy was just a bunch of variant covers

>>93437781
And more shitty stories no one wants to read.

I really enjoy Carol's new design. Why does everything else have to suck so much.

>>93437781
That's a gimmick to more more copies.

Legacy is just 2017's annual Marvel relaunch, with a minor focus on ditching some recent changes to characters.
Jen's back to "She-Hulk," Sam Wilson is Falcon again, Thing and Human Torch are back together even though the rest of the FF is still gone.
But ultimately, yes, it's pretty much fucking nothing.

>>93437781
It may as well be, since it's basically an empty gesture of an event.

>>93435638
requesting a citation please

>>93437920
I liked her with long hair and the mask. It was a nice design. I seriously despise the dykecut.

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>>93435157
time to bring sexy back or at the very least Femininity

and not just the "hey gurl' type

>>93436004
shes looks like one

but her portrayal is very masculine

>>93437129
>the most unaesthetic shit ever.
Carol's suit is fucking cool alright, she sucks but I will not let the clothes be insulted.

Captain Marvel has always been C/B list character that Marvel tries to force onto fans... even Mar Vell and Genis didn't have good runs.

The original book was like in Marvel Comic Presents or Marvel Premier one of the two and the Peter David Genis Vell book lasted only like 3 years which is an eternity considering how short books last nowadays but that's pretty bad compared to how books used to be

>>93438677
>Starlin's Captain Marvel
>not good
You're full of shit.

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>>93435666
>good comic

>>93435157
No one wants a super-heroine with dyke hair.

I guess lesbians might, but very few of them buy comics.

>>93438137
The haircut's probably the only thing that keeps me from not confusing Carol with other blonde haired superheroes like Emma / Magik / Sue.

>>93438976
?

Seems to be working for Mother Panic.

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>>93435666
Fuck off, Satan.

>>93439188
How can anyone be THIS retarded?

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>>93439279
Yea the example is a bit exaggerated but my point stands: there was nothing about Carol that made her stand out / appear to be more than just a fat chested, blonde broad who punches shit sometimes. If a redesign is what it takes for people to get invested in her, then it is what it is.

Real talk; I didn't bther with Carol's previous runs before the redesign until the redesign was a thing. She was borning aesthetic wise. I don't understand how you can jusify such a dull ass design.

(This also applies to Emma Frost and Magik)

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>>93435157

>Implying her film wont crush Wonder Womans pitiful Box Office

We need a real female hero film

>>93437010
>>93436932
I thought she hired a PR firm to get popular

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>>93439454
They were going to have a She-Hulk movie somewhere in the early 90s yet nothing ever came of it.

nobody cares about comics anymore

>>93439539
So did Marvel, yet look where it landed.

explain to me how japanese manga is making a killing off it's mix of japanese and american themes but american comics are in a gutter?

>>93439420
>mask
>brand new uniform
Yes, there were stuff that made her stand out over her female peers at Marvel. The dykecut is merely there to make her look more masculine for whatever reason.
>I don't understand how you can jusify such a dull ass design
Literally the same design with shorter hair.
Your argument is fucking retarded since the strong womyn archetype tends to have dykehair, so basically she's not only dull, but also looks like shit now.
The mohawk now, that's a design that actually made her stand out.

And just to finish your example was also pretty stupid no one confuses Magik for Emma Frost let alone for Susan Storm. And certainly no one with a functioning brain confused long haired Carol for any of them.

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>>93439715
Because they give very little shit to outsider influence and, oddly enough, their xenophobia over other cultures keeps them insulated. Also they actually READ the comics, particularly the silver age stuff and pre-disney buyout stuff.
That's my best guess anyway

Things selling more than Captain Marvel: Flagship Heroine of Marvel Comics:

>Black Panther and the Crew
>Bug: The Adventures of Forager
>Redneck: Image's new Texas vampire series.
>Doctor Aphra: Kieron Gillen's Star Wars Waifu

>>93436270
Going by Bookscan, Captain Marvel vol 1: In pursuit managed to make it on the 2013 chart, and Captain Marvel vol 1: Higher, Further, Faster, More managed to make it on the 2014 and 2015 charts. But nothing showed up on the 2016 chart which probably means that they probably got lower reorders for that year. None of the other volumes charted which probably means that they got less than 4000 in a year even as a new release.

Expect all this to change when the movie promoting is underway.

>>93440093
Or a re-re-rebrand to explain what Captain Carol's deal is.

>>93439715
Because Manga is superior to western comics.

I'm pretty sure Marvel is thinking like this:
>"it doesn't matter what the current sales of CM are, we just gotta keep shitting out her solo until the movie comes out and then it'll print money by itself!!"

>>93438161
This
That looks has a more timeless appeal to it

>>93435348
put on 1.25 speed. leave in background while jerking off with porn on mute.

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>>93435157
Her hair looks stupid why else?

>>93441200
No kidding.

Like this haircut looks douchey on dudes, it doesn't work better on women.

>>93435157

Nobody wants to read Adventures of a dyke.

Also, and more importantly, she has no personality. They just adapt her to whatever event she is on.

Example: use 3 words to describe a superhero:

Batman: Brooding, millionaire, vengeance
Spidey: Responsability, geek, relatable
Iron man: Playboy, engineer, smartass
Wonder woman: Amazon, truth, outsider
Captain Marvel: ................................................

>>93441485
Yaas, queen, slay

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>>93441485
Emma Frost: Dominatrix, Most powerful telepath in the world, bitch with a heart of gold

>>93441523
I still don't understand the yaaas queen meme.

>>93441631
The solicitation for either the #0 or the #1 issue of her latest volume contained those words

>>93441783
No, I don't mean its connection to her, I mean in general.

>>93435666
>Good comic
really satan?

>>93441626
How could Marvel make her PC?

>>93435157
>ugly bulldyke

I guess at least she has her tits in OP's image.

>>93442045
They pretty much made it that the only reason that she went with the x-men was because of Scott and once he got killed, they made her go insane and become a villain, despite the fact that she made other ties with her former team that would have kept her grounded and would have talked her down.

tl;dr: Marvel logic: Sexy=Evil

>>93440280
They're probably trying to get as much info from insiders so they can make any changes neccesary to the comic.

>>93436016
>listening to porn
What garbage taste.
I'll bet you prefer VA in your VNs.

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i miss her long hair

>>93439760
You're gonna have a hard time justifying to anyone that Carol before her redesign was more than what her bland ass appearance led her on to be.

You're also putting a lot of your argument behind how much you dislike ~masculine~ design tropes with women which leads me to believe you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Carol before the redesign was a lame looking character. It took her being a sloppy, angry drunk to give her some sort of personality but no comic-browsing person would give her stories a second shot BECAUSE SHE HAD A SLEEP INDUCING LOOK.

Facts only.

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>wondering why ASK ME ABOUT MY FEMINIST AGENDA isn't selling in a market of 30 something male NEETs

>>93435487
>for once?
You mean since the dawnof fucking time?

>>93435157
>how the fuck did this happen? Seriously, why aren't people buying her book?
are you serious? because no one likes it/her.

Her new costume is pretty good besides the dyke haircut, which needs to go.

>>93435157
>Seriously, why aren't people buying her book?
Shitty character of a shitty company, written by shit writers?

The fact that shills even force that literally who on the board is already a laughing matter, then you actually buy into the "hype"?

So why didn't they play up She-Hulk instead? Is it all just because of Captain Marvel's silly name?

>>93447342
Because Carol is a far more developed and interesting character.

>>93435157
Bulldyke look and hyper masculine females don't sell

>>93447342
They don't have the rights for her

>>93447392
Well that and to the mainstream audience she's much more of a "female derivative" than Carol. You can synthesize an origin for CarolCap without involving Mar-Vell or leaning on anything to suggest she's not the original. They've already done that. It's their main goal too.

You can also have CarolCap operate in a world where Mar-Vell already exists and she still does what she does anyway.

You cannot make a She-Hulk origin that's accessible to mainstream audience that is not heavily reliant on the Hulk. And then you have to get them to swallow a name like She-Hulk.

We can do it. Younger audiences can do it. But normies almost definitely can't. Not even in a world with a talking tree & raccoon being box office draws.

Such is life.

>>93447392
Why? Isn't She-Hulk tied to Hulk's rights, which they have? Or is it tied to the Fantastic Four because she was a member once? That'd be ridiculous.

You know how Civil War was one of the most hated comic events of our generation? Maybe a sequel to it, staring the character they're trying to promote as the next AAA lister, wasn't the best idea.

>>93447769
It's a weird distribution rights thing. She's held by Marvel but Marvel splits distribution rights with Universal when it comes to Hulk except when he's part of a team that isn't part of the character rights that were worked out for the pre-existing Hulk deal. It's why there's not been a solo Hulk movie in awhile. Universal worked out a deal where they would always get a cut.

>>93435577
>hurr durr i never read any ms marvel and now i talk shit

>>93435592
yellow lightning and red sash were pretty iconic imo

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>>93439715
Sorry for big reply. TLDR at bottom
Because the way they work is different

>Consumption
Manga series come out in weekly or monthly instalments (usually), but are almost exclusively in anthology magazines

You don't pay 5 bucks for fancy coloured collectable floppies with 20 pages. You pay 5 bucks for a newsprint magazine with up to a dozen different comics in it. This means you get your favourite comics, as well as exposure to new shit you might not have tried otherwise.

Then, if you want something long term and pretty, you get the tankobon (think the equivalent of a TPB, collected instalments)

I've heard it said that Americans don't buy/like anthologies, so you'll never get anything like manga over here. Also Marvel and DC aim hard for collectors rather than just mass appeal.

>Mangaka
Manga creators for the most part work like dogs. There is a common picture that goes around >>93429502 that shows a mangaka's work week. No time for being a shitter on twitter with that kind of schedule

Mangaka also tend to have several assistants. Putting out 20 pages each week isn't easy, even if it's only black and white.

Lastly, mangaka get small salaries but solid royalties off their work. In 2010, Oda of One Piece was earning something like $24m USD per year. So they got a real incentive to work as hard as they do. Big mangaka make big money.

>Variety
Comics used to have more variety. In fact, romance comics used to be very popular a few decades back. We don't really have that any more. It's mostly action and comedy only.

Manga still has all that shit. If you want romantic comedy, you get it. If you want generic powerlevel shit, you get it. If you want straight-up nudity and fanservice, you get it. If you want an action adventure cooking spaghetti western horror comedy manga, there is something for you.
Manga fills just about every niche,

TL;DR - the way you buy manga, variety of manga and the way manga is made is vastly different.

>>93435797
>They have an entire genre about frilly little girly girls beating things up.
The magical girl genre was more about enforcing feminine stereotypes on girls, but it could be seen as female empowerment too, if that's your cup of tea.

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>>93435157
The only captain marvel i acknowledge is billy why didn't Marvel just buy him instead

>>93449897
Because then you'd be getting books with some new OC nigger woman as Captain Marvel with Billy dead.

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This What I think:
https://youtu.be/bZxqtqzznOo

>>93441842
Its a black meme like thicc

>>93450322
Kek.