Who here remembers 2002 He Man?

Nobody

>>93421897
The best He-Man animated storyline by far. And one of the best reboots ever.

>>93422178
The 80s version is better

>>93422222
The 80's version is unwatchable. Really bad.
But the 80's mini comics are great.

>>93422242
>The 80's version is unwatchable
Millennial detected

>>93422254
The truth hurts...nostalgia aside.

>>93422273
The 80s version was campy and feel good. A classic 80s piece. The 2002 reboot tried to have more grit and lacked the charm the original had. That's why it didn't last very long.

>>93422242
The 80's version has the best Skeletor though

>>93422293
Keep telliing that to yourself.

>>93422301
Nope. Langella's version was the best version.

>>93422318
Wrong

>>93422450
Whatever you say. Argue with nostalgia fags it's useless anyway.

>>93421897
Yeah, didn't it have one of those fucked up "heres what we were planning" cancelations tht sounded awesome, like what with the Star Trek Enterprise and the such.

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>>93421897
HE-MAN
HE-MAN
SHE-RA
SHE-RA
DUN DE DUN DE DUN DUN DUN
I HAVE THE POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>93421897
Fucking me! It's one of the best cartoons out there, and the most perfect reboot the franchise could have gotten at that point in time. I love that show, I have the whole series on DVD, thank you very much Mill Creek!

>>93422518
Yup the 3rd season was going to be epic, with all the MOTU factions heading towards a huge final conflict.

>>93422293
>2002 reboot
>grit
You have GOT to be a troll. The 2002 reboot was still very much a children's cartoon. You're trying to make it sound like it tried to do something and failed which it didn't, that show was a perfect action cartoon for kids and teens.

Also the show had some lovely backgrounds, and great use of color too. Also, the voice of Teela is the voice of Relena Peacecraft in Gundam Wing, did you know that?

Here we go again.

I did quite like it.
World building was fun, and the villains did seem quite threatening sometimes.
I would have loved seeing a 2002 She-Ra.

>>93422640
funny enough the canceled season was gonna have hordak so maybe we would have gotten she-ra at some point

also fuck thos two arguing about witch era was better they both were good for what they where

>>93421897
Who remembers The New Adventures of He-Man?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CxVXRzRtM

>>93422743
It wasn't as bad as many believe.

It was the Star Wars versions of He-Man and Skeletor.

>>93422743
I've heard of this but I haven't seen it. There's a DVD set of it I've seen a a local used book store, should I get it? I am a big fan who has both the original series and the 2002 reboot all on DVD. I wish there was a DVD release for She-Ra too that was reasonably priced.

>>93422603
>I disagree
>that makes you a troll
every time

>>93422743
I hated it as a kid. I think its pretty cool now days though

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>>93421897
This thread will inevitably devolve into the same two weirdos arguing about Filmation vs 2002 if it hasn't already. Every MOTU thread does.

If you DARE think that the premise of MOTU is goofy and campy you will be called a casual troll.

Anyway here's some art

2002 had indisputably better animation, but the art, music, character designs (Mostly. I'd say 2002 He-Man and Adam are better than the originals) and plotlines from the 80s He-Man are better.
They were both campy and naïve, and are both watchable.

>>93422743
>Dat motion.
Beautiful. Too bad the designs are shit; they remind me of Visionaries, and I wouldn't be surprised if I found out they were made by the same people.

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>>93423845
It reminds me more of Captain Power.
I dont see Visionaries in them that much.

>>93423807
Agree on this

>>93422254
I remember watching that shit as a kid. And thinking it was the pinnacle of TV animation. No show was cooler.
Netflix put it up recently and I tried and even on a level of Nostalgia it is god damn unwatchable.

>>93422743
It was quite good. I remember about think it was a sequence to Filmation's (since have a finale, He-man actually defeats Skeletor and essentially ends the feud).

Fluid animation and story, but bad designs and poor music. I got disappointed when I discovered She-ha was supposedly to be included, but they only put a She-ha-like Teela guest starring.

>>93424899
Nope she wasn't. Teela was going to appear like she did in the end, but Mattel gave at the studio the wrong picture.

>>93424796
This. The 80's cartoon has no plots, no character development, no progress of the story, retarded jokes etc. They took the awesome concept of the mini comics, and completely "killed" it.

>>93421897

I liked it, but it seems like it set the precedent for CN to shitcan action shows with very little notice.

I'm still Salty about Thundercats. I can only hope one day Netflix with approach the guys and revive the series on Netflix similar to how Voltron is getting a treatment.

>>93422293
Except that's wrong. The reason it didn't last long is because toy sales were poor. Which was because distribution ratios were bad. You'd get like 2 or 3 He-man and Skeletors and 1 of every other character in the wave per case. On a TV show that is basically a toy commercial, no sales means no funding for the TV show.

>>93422576
They put some of the Season 3 plot points into the MOTUC character bio info. Apparently they had planned for Man-At-Arms to become Snakeman-At-Arms and would build weapons and vehicles for the Snakemen to use against He-man. That would have been awesome.

>>93422743
Is that Optimus Primal's voice actor?

>>93425198
There is also a comic about the 40th episode's plot that came out in 2008.

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How about 90's He-Man?

>>93425132
And toy sales were shit because the show was shit. No one wants to buy toys for a shitty show.

>>93425361
Really? Then why the original Thundercats toys sold like shit, even if the show was extremely popular? The She-Ra toys also sold purely, even if the show was popurar too, which brought the premature end of the 2nd season. But according to your logic both Thundercats and She-Ra were shitty shows, since their toys didn't sell well. Apparently you have no idea how the toy industry works.

>>93422743
The most anime of the He-Mans.

>>93424058
>Captain Power
Now there was a show. I don't know how to describe what sort of show it was, but it was a show, all right.

>>93425294
Now that's unwatchable

>>93421897
I loved it.

>dat time when you see shadows of King Hiss eating an entire monster

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>>93421897
Cringeworthy dialogues was the worst part of the show and all those spiderman tier jokes were horrible
Also backstory in 1st eisode is shit
He-man characters without backstory are better
Explaining why Skeletor has skull face was a mistake

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It was a pretty good show. I didn't like how they try to make it anime like with all the speed lines and everyone was flipping around and twirling their weapons.

Speaking of weapons, He-Man's sword in that show looked like shit. It was this bulky, mechanical looking thing that just looked ugly. The power sword in the original sword had a much cooler look.

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>>93428707
>that 2002 sword

holy shit it's deviantart tier

>>93428561
Yeah because the retarded Filmation dialogue was better?
He-Man and Skeletor had already a rich backstory from the awesome mini comics, something that the the 80's cartoon completely ignored, giving one dimensional boring characters, that no one could care less about them. At least the MYP series gave depth to MOTU mythos, explaining the preshistory of Eternia, having a better and more convincing transformation instead of Adam remaining with his underpants, and a Skeletor that is connected to the 80's mini comics and specifically Keldor's story which comes from 1986. So MYP respected more the source material than Filmation did.

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All of the posts in this thread shitting on the 2002 MYP show all sound like the same guy...

>>93421897
I loved 2002 He-Man. Super bummed they never got to Hordak.

Fuck You CN!

>>93421897
Remember when reboots used to be good?

Remember how amazing the 2000s were?

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>>93422222
>>93422254
>>93422293
>>93422301

>>93428766
Skelator from the mini comics wasn't Keldor. He was an interdimensional conqueror from a whole race of evil blue skull people

>>9343075
That was in the very first mini comics by Glut.

In the later mini comics from 1986, it was going to be revealed that Skeletor was Keldor the long lost brother of Randor.

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>>93430864
Ah yes. Way late into the line when the Eternia set came out.
I had actually placed this in my memory as a Star Comics thing but you're right it was a mini comic.

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>>93430958
Yes.
The Search for Keldor was the mini comic's title.
The mini comic's writer confirmed in an interview that Keldor he was transformed, while was practicing the dark mystical arts.

What are those huge art books like?

>>93433054
no idea about any of the others, but the Mini-Comics collection is an awesome book

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>>93433054
>>93433054
The Mini Comics Collection is amazing. Also great is the recently released Character Guide and World Compendium which covers all the canons, all the characters, the creatures, the factions, the locations, the vehicles of the Masters of the Universe that appeared in the 35 years history of the franchise.

>>93433427
i can agree with this anon the mini comic collection is good as fuck it also huge as fuck and surprisingly cheap got mine for around 20 bucks at Barnes and noble and the art of he man is good as well going into not only the worlds but the toys and what not

>>93422743
I actually liked that version of Skeletor a lot. I liked that he manipulated a war entirely to battle He-Man, because he felt their battle was the biggest picture in the universe. He wasn't even subtle about it, but the Mutants were so worried with pissing him off that they let him.

>>93428561
Yeah, Skeletor being Keldor is lame.

I like him being an ambiguous force of evil.

>>93433986
It makes him a lot less scary to me. Him being an immortal evil being from beyond, able to split the Sorceress into two entities with his magic is great.

Being Keldor with a messed up face is lame.

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>>93433986
Keldor is an intriguing character that adds a lot of depth to Skeletor's character. With Keldor, Skeletor is not just a typical villain, but much much more. Otherwise Skeletor is just a skull faced villain and nothing else.

>>93434037
Actually with Keldor, Skeletor is far more dangerous, because his motivations are not just search for power, but also payback and revenge. He is like the Darth Vader of MOTU. There is a reason of why Vader is far more popular and interesting character than the Emperor, even if the last one is more scary.

>>93434083
So he's an evil guy without a skull face before he's an evil guy with a skull face. Such depth.
There's nothing wrong with a villain who is purely maniacal and sinister without a lot of bullshit backstory.

>>93433986
>>93434037
I always kinda wished he was a full skeleton instead of just a dude without a face.

>>93434162
It's a lot more than that.
Keldor was a prince, illegitimate son of King Miro of Eternia, and Randor's half brother. This takes the conflict between him and He-Man in a whole new level, since at Keldor was denied his chance to be king. So there is a far more interesting background.
As for the "villain who is purely maniacal and sinister without a lot of bullshit backstory", this role is taken anyway by Hordak, so there is no need for every villain being the same with the other.

>>93421897
All the pointless weapon twirling, acrobatics, and ridiculous posing...this was pretty fuckin' lame, combat-wise, and forgettable in every other area.

>>93434521
It was an animated series for youngsters, what you expected the characters using their weapons to destroy each other? Or the Filmation cartoom had better battle sequences? Oh i forgot it didn't have any. As for being lame again you should try the Filmation cartoon, to see what "lame" it really is...

>>93434521
And if you want to see the MOTU characters in actual battles, try the mini comics and the regular comics.

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>>93434605
>>93434664

I loved the Filmation cartoon as a kid. (and yeah, those comics were fuckin SWEET) But the 2000's version...why the fuck are you waving your weapons art each other, if you aren't trying to stab or cut the other guy? They did more twirling, posing, and flipping than actual attacking. If you're gonna fight, fuckin' FIGHT! And the original series had eye candy for everyone.

>>93434832
So you love the Filmation cartoon which had zero violence, and you criticize the MYP version because it didn't show violence? I believe that you are trying too hard to find ways to belittle the MYP series, at the point that you are contradicting yourself. But i believe that in the 2nd part of your answer it's the real reason of why you actually like the Filmation series especially with your "eye candy" comment. Anyway let's agree that we disagree.

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>>93434876
As did She-Ra...

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>>93435007
It was a cock-tease for violence. That was the problem. He-man in the original at least threw a fucking ROCK at people, when he wasn't tossing them like used napkins. The series never felt like it lacked for violence because it just wasn't like that. The reboot was supposed to be combat heavy and gritty...yet everybody seemed afraid to actually touch each other.

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>>93435009
Neither Filmation cartoons had fights with weapons. Maximum a kick or a punch. So your argument is contradicting your criticism about the lack of the "weapon using" in the MYP series. As for "eye candy" it's not that MYP is lacking either.

>>93435114
>The reboot was supposed to be combat heavy and gritty.
Wrong in both ways. First in the reboot wasn't supposed to be combat heavy and gritty, just not completely lame like the Filmation one. And second if you had watched the series beyond the first 3 episodes, you should know that the fights and battles became more complicated than "twirling, posing, and flipping"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC8o0VKWBAE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep5oh_6D4yY

So for an animated series the MYP actually managed to have epic battles without being gritty at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyyTzkktjsI

02 Teela was mighty fine

>>93435114
One thing it seemed the 2002 series did better was show how much of a super man He-Man was. He tended to do a lot more super strength stuff then he did in the old show.. THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE UNIVERSE...and hardly does anything powerful.

>>93425482
Did they stop to think that maybe the toys weren't selling because they kinda sucked?

>>93422743
I remeber watching a few episodes of this as a kid. Was the animation always so fluid or was that only for the intro? Also, from what little Iremeber the Skeletor of this show was far more comedic, seemed to remind a bit of Joker at times, was that true or just my bad memory?

>>93421897
If only the ones who wrote 2002 He-Man wrote Thundercats reboot

>>93430756
And Man at Arms was from a race of people that mastered weapons, and Tri-Klops was a bounty hunter who sounded like he was going to side with He-Man at the end before being taken by Skeletor, and He-Man came from a jungle tribe and the Prince Adam identity didn't get used until much later. You forget that the early stuff was before they ironed things out.

>>93425294
I loved Beast Wars Rampage playing Skeletor.

>>93440267
I don't forget that at all. Same reason all those had the Goddess instead of Sorceress.

>>93429440
And not the posts that repearedly use the words 'lame' and 'amazing'.

>>93421897
I used to watch it when it came on after Adult Swim back when AS ended at like 2 or 3. I actually liked it even though the online consensus seemed to be that it was trash. It was better than the Space He-Man bullshit from the 90s.

Watching 80s MOTU feels like if Vince McMahon wrote a cartoon show and I think that's why I liked it so much as a kid, He-Man was like Hulk Hogan with a sword. Then I grew up and realized heroes without weaknesses are kind of lame.

2002 was surprisingly good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3OXU9eqqis

>>93422242
Nigga I watched the series 3 years ago and I loved it. It's incredible how they can make very decent stories with completely recycled animation and music

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So if they would make new version of He-man nowadays

Would it be good?

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>>93443691
only if it was a shounen anime and had harem elements and a more tsundere teela

>>93425361
>And toy sales were shit because the show was shit. No one wants to buy toys for a shitty show.

No, the show had very high ratings at its time. It died because Mattel pulled the plug due to the fact they fucked up the toy distribution. Every case was just copies of weird, shitty variant He-Man and Skeletor figures and maybe 1 new character, which quickly became impossible to find due to scalping. As a result every toy aisle was clogged with SAMURAI HE-MAN and SAMURAI SKELETOR for the better part of a year, and sales died off.

The death of 200X was 100% Mattel incompetence, just like with the demise of every other version of MOTU.

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>>93421897

>We will never get season 3
>We will never see The Masters, The Snakemen, Skeletors forces and the Horde have a four way battle for the fate of Eternia

Why can't we have good things?

Why haven't we seen a new MOTU animated series in this age of reboots?

>>93422242
actually fuck off.
its campy and fun, and even setting that aside, there are several episodes that stand on their own two feet as really, really good episodes with originality that the 2002 version only poked at.
>She-Demon of Phantos
>Masks of Power
>The Cosmic Comet
>Dragons Gift
>Golden discs of knowledge
just to name a few!

While I enjoy and like the 2002 version as well, it felt like more of a "toy commercial" at times than the old cartoon did!
Just look at
>Mystery of Anwat-Gar
>of machines and men
>Sky war
in those episodes, I just couldn't shake the feeling of "Paid promotion to sell more toys down the line" and I don't know why. Not to say that didn't happen in the original show either, but it felt slightly more nuanced.

Again, I like them both for different reasons, but I very much prefer the 80's version.

>>93444151

Because He-Man is queer as fuck and with how progressive cartoons are these days I give it 4 episodes before Fisto is wrist deep in Adams ass

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>>93444151
if voltron got picked up, this could too. also, best sword

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how would you all feel if a new he-man show pulled a ben 10 and we got segments of flashbacks to when they were kids and whatever happened then somehow is relevant to what is currently happening?

>>93444151
There's a movie currently in development hell

>>93444889

From Sony so I hope it stays there

>>93444178
Both shows have been created for sell toys. Did you forget the Filmation episodes with the use of Dragon Walker "for go faster in Snake Mountain" or the Talon Fighter without a specific reason. The 2002 series did it too, but associated a background story, and not randomly coming out of nowhere, and many times in ridiculous way. Also the MYP for the first time has He-Man using different kind of armors and weapons, something that was part of the MOTU mythos since the beginning, but Filmation's cheap production never care to show not even in a single episode.

As for the two series's episodes, Filmation has perhaps 10 decent episodes, but the rest are bad, the plots are disconnected, the story never advances, apart from the main 4-5 heroes, Skeletor and Evil-Lyn, the other Heroic and Evil Warriors never did something, never had much spotlight and much less character development, they are there only to advertise the toys.

The 2002 animated series with only 39 episodes and not the 135 of Filmation, had at least 20 that are great:
>Siren's Song
>The Ties That Bind
>Turnabout
>Underworld
>The Monster Within
>Snake Pit
>The Council of Evil, Part 1
>The Council of Evil, Part 2
>The Last Stand
>Out of the Past
>Rise of the Snake Men, Part 1
>Rise of the Snake Men, Part 2
>The Price of Deceit
>Second Skin
>The Power of Grayskull
(this one especially is the best MOTU episode ever created)
>Web of Evil
>Rattle of the Snake
>History
>Awaken the Serpent
Basically the MYP series was able to do an important world and character building in 39 episodes that Filmation didn't do in 135. The MYP series also had continuity, the story advances instead of being stale, the secondary characters are taking the necessary spotlight to be developed as well, He-Man is not invincible, he depends on the Masters in the battlefield, the battles are more convincing and epic, it has fun moments without being ridiculous.

>>93421897
I caught a few episodes, and thought it was pretty great. I actualy went and warched a few episodes on youtube not that long ago.
A pity it got cut short. Issues with the toyline, right?

>>93443691
It would only be good if they went full on adult style with drama and violence. It doesn't have to be an edge Lord fest, just make it a bit more mature like anime. I think if they try to do the same thing they did before with just trying to sell toys then it will probably bomb and fail utterly.

>>93445623
Yes. Apart from Skeletor and He-Man variants, nothing else could be found in the stores. That killed the toyline, and the animated series couldn't continue since its budget depended from the toy sales.

>>93422532
That's the weirdest stripper I've ever seen

>>93422743
>>93437034
Skeletor was full of jokes in the early nineties He-Man, yes.
One of the few views I recall having of the old series was that He-Man cracked fewer jokes in that version compared to the original, while Skeletor made a lot more

>>93425242
yep, Garry Chalk