/swco/ - Star Wars Comics & Cartoons

>>93400811
>Ah, Rey, it seems you have Anakin's Lightsaber!

>>93400769
Gee I sure loved that gatling rifle that will never be seen or used in Star Wars media again because it's so retardedly overpowered.

Making new Star Wars films without George was a mistake

>>93400889
>Rogue One was better than every prequel and arguably better than Return of the Jedi

what did he meme by this?

>>93400902
>Rogue One was better than every prequel

I don't know about that, and RO is one of my favourites. Come on dude

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post star wars ships only you like

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>>93400902
>Rogue One was better than every prequel and arguably better than Return of the Jedi

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>>93400925
Can't like it without being called a normie for some reason

>>93400922
Rogue One isn't a fantastic movie, but it's a really fun action movie. A lot of what I like about it is fanservice, but not like "HEY LOOK IT'S AN AT-ST STAR WARS I LOVE STAR WARRRS" like RLM put it, but more like... Hey look, it's an actual star war in star wars. A lot of my least favorite parts of the movie were the parts where they shoved in fanservice where it was unwarranted or awkwardly, like the convicts showing up.

Vader showing up to kill people at the end is debatable but come on, we're never going to get another opportunity to see him work again and he had a good reason to be there.

What did RLM actually say about Rogue One beyond MUH PANDERING while jerking off TFA, again?

>>93400997
>jerking off TFA
What? I thought they hated it

I've honestly never watched their videos, but I can't help listening to their opinions here

>>93400997
Their core complaint was that it was bad because the characters were uninteresting and unlikable, that while the action was well done it wasn't interesting, and that it felt more like a Star Wars fanfilm than anything else. In their commentary track Mike brought up what I've been saying since the first trailer, that it felt more like an tabletop RPG campaign than a proper narrative.

Also CGI Tarkin and Leia looked like crap.

>>93401020
They really liked TFA, thought Daisy Ridley was super charismatic and hated Rogue One to the point of making like five videos about it when people got mad at their opinion.

I decided not to watch them because I felt like I might get buttmad

>>93401038
>thought Daisy Ridley was super charismatic

compared to a lot of star wars actors, and ESPECIALLY the women in the series she actually is

Poe and Finn run circles around her though

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>>93400997
I liked the last scene. It was like something out of a slasher film in terms of atmosphere, and I really wasn't expecting it. I liked RO because my favourite is ANH, admittedly. I liked it. But I do recognize that most normies don't give a fuck about Tarkin, or to read a novel that sets this film up so PERFECTLY. all of my normie friends who '''''love Star Wars!!!''' hated this movie. one told me it was boring because 'there weren't any jedi'. it was a film for fans, to give us Star Wars stuff we loved. RLM really blew it WAY out of proportions, though, especially when they loved TFA for the exact reasons they hated this one.

I unironically liked it, and the characters. But, it's like number 4 on my list

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>>93400769
this gave me an erection
Top Blaster movie when?

can we have one thread where we do the ratings thing?

ROTJ > ANH > ESB = RO > ROTS > TPM >>>>>>>>>>> AOTC

>>93401063
forgot to mention I put TFA = TPM

>>93401063
>can we have thread full of shitposting about each others tastes?
no

>>93401020
Ever since Rogue One came out and they shat on people have been saying they love TFA. On Half in the Bag they were a little swept up in the hype of there being a new Star Wars movie that wasn't total garbage, but they also excused it a lot for being a rehash movie with a kind of weak main character. Since then Mike (through Plinkett) has argued that TFA works because it had good characters (Daisy Ridley's performance elevated the underwritten Rey is his argument) and emotional content, but not a good story due to the rehash parts. Meanwhile, he says Rogue One had bad characters, a bad story, and no emotional connection to the audience.

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>>93400925

>>93401034
He's not wrong about any of the narrative elements, but fuck him for "muh cgi" and fuck plinkett just out of spite I'll never give him the benefit of the doubt after he spent NEARLY AN ENTIRE DECADE poisoning the well with his Lucas and prequel hate

I disliked Rogue One but I hate RLM.

>>93401020
Their first TFA video had Mike looking all teary eyed (not even joking) and smiling and going "I loved it. It was everything I hoped it would be". And praising TFA. They went back on some of this later on with the Plinkett review, but only some.

>>93401099
to add onto this (not this anon) 4chan does not really care about characters in Star Wars so they don't understand or care about this critique and call them hacks

a lot of people will say BUT FINN AND REY ARE TERRIBLE CHARACTERS and write a huge essay about them (bypass the development no flaws blah blah blah) but at the end of the day people actually remember them and enjoyed them whereas most people do not remember any character from Rogue One that wasn't K2 or Vader

the disconnect between Rogue One, TFA and 4chan Star Wars fans is reminiscent of the disconnect between normal people and 4channers, they do not understand one another

>>93401034
I can understand those complaints because they never really found the time to develop most of their cast (although I liked the ideas for a lot of the characters, Cassian being a Seperatist child soldier is interesting and provides a different perspective even if it's a little grim.) I actually liked Jyn more than Rey because she genuinely felt like she was in over her head compared to Rey who learns the force and picks up a lightsaber and kicks Kylo's ass after he supposedly ruined Luke's Jedi efforts even though she's been isolated her whole life and doesn't have a clue what's going on.

I liked the action too, but maybe that's just because I don't watch as many war action movies as some? A Sci-fi war movie in a tropical setting using props derived from WW2/Vietnam era equipment is basically my favorite thing ever, I really really enjoyed everything surrounding the scarif fight.

CGI Tarkin and Leia... Honestly, I feel that complaint for literally every movie that uses CGI effects. You can't get away with it. Eventually it's going to look like shit as technology gets better and better, I was feeling the same way during the Amazon fight scenes in Wonder Woman.

I guess I felt like Rogue One was a mediocre movie that had a bunch of really good ideas that could've been fantastic and innovative but were still enjoyable whereas TFA wasn't even trying to do anything new, it was just trying to win fans over with a re-shoot of ANH and I found it really distasteful.

>>93401145
>appeal to majority argument

grown ups 2 blew pacific rim out of the water
transformers franchise is one of the biggest film series on the planet

>>93400997
Honestly, the only dumb fanservice moments were the cantina dudes and C3PO and R2D2 briefly showing up. I mean, I guess, if you wanted to reach, you could go "MUH BLUE MILK" scene, but that's so nitpicky. How dare something that exists in universe be shown? And the complaints about AT-ATs and all that is dumb. It's set at the height of the Empire. Why wouldn't those things show up?

I genuinely liked the Vader scene. I do think Rogue One had flaws, but it's been blown out of proportion by people like RLM, especially considering they've made five or so fucking videos because their viewers decided to not maintain their echochamber.

>>93401187
>using Pacific Rim as an argument when it was a genuinely terrible film
>bringing up Transformers when it's the Godwin's Law of film

>>93401196
>especially considering they've made five or so fucking videos because their viewers decided to not maintain their echochamber

they make the videos because they get a lot of views which means money

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>>93400925

>>93401217
Okay yeah Pacific Rim isn't great, but it's the easiest example I could remember. Still, it's a better film than Grown-Ups.

>Transformers is the Godwin's law of film
I have no idea what you're talking about but what does Transformers being brought up a lot have to do with anything? You're talking up the majority when going off of movie sales the majority has terrible taste.

>>93401099
>Meanwhile, he says Rogue One had bad characters, a bad story, and no emotional connection to the audience.
Again he's not entirely wrong. The most interesting new characters in the movie are a hammy D-list Batman villain, Asian bros, Based Mads, cheerful Rebel pilots, an alien Winston Churchill, and Quip-2SO who puts Memelord to shame.
>>93401145
This guy also has good points on the subject.

The story of the main crew kind of trundles on clumsily, dealing with a lot of contrivances to deny them any resolution until they finally force the square plot through a round hole. The overarching story concerning the race against the Death Star's operational ability and the Rebel attempt to uncover it has lots of potential but the focus on these literal whos (that all get vaporized at the end anyway so they have no real emotional impact beyond their first appearance, once the movie is over the audience stops caring) tends to be a pause button on The Search for the MacGuffin(TM).

Keep in mind I don't think Rogue One is a bad addition to new canon, it's acceptable and far better than a lot of the other shit that could have been movified from the EU (God knows it's better than the even more murder-happy Ewoks movies) but I think there was a lot of wasted potential. And I ALSO think that RLMbabbies do not get to have an opinion on it after they spent the past 10 years shitting on everything star wars like the faggoty OT purist (really not even that, more like ESB purist) retards that they are, so I hate having to share an opinion with them however involuntary.

>>93401253
Transformers is the Godwin's Law of film discussion because just like people will bring up Hitler to try and "make a point" people will bring up Transformers to try and "make a point"

>Transformers makes a billion dollars so all movies liked by the majority are BAD!!!
Casablanca is bad? Apocalypse Now is bad? Alien is bad? Blade Runner is bad? go fuck yourself idiot

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>>93401172
>I guess I felt like Rogue One was a mediocre movie that had a bunch of really good ideas that could've been fantastic and innovative but were still enjoyable whereas TFA wasn't even trying to do anything new, it was just trying to win fans over with a re-shoot of ANH and I found it really distasteful.
this pretty much, the only perfect, endlessly rewatchable scenes in my opinion were the ones involving Tarkin or Vader shitpost at other Imperial subordinates (namely Krennic), and the next closest thing after that was the space battle above Scarif, which still isn't quite perfect (not least because its interrupted by the shit on the ground) but because
1. Y-wings used exclusively as bombers instead of the Starfighters they are END THIS ROGUE MEME
2. you hardly get to see the capital ships fire their weapons at each other, if at all
even so that doesn't really excuse the whole movie for its shitty ultra-high grain darkened camera filter

>>93401307
>all movies are bad
nice word-shoving u dummy head

"It's popular and most people liked it ergo good" is just a bad argument because the majority can like and throw money at bad things. Use actual arguments supporting the film's quality or give it a rest

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>>93401360
t. Karen o'Traviss

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>>93401370
Except a character resonating with people is a solid argument while "a character didn't check all the boxes on a checklist I made of what makes a good character" is not an actual argument

>>93401360
>posting trump while complaining about perlmutter, someone who is not only conservative but currently consulting for donol
>and also almost entirely irrelevant to star wars at large

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will we ever see an original cut of rogue 1?

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>>93401431
Probably not, which sucks because it looks like Krennic had some pretty kino scenes

>>93401410
>immature move these goalposts right quick

>>93401410
you seem to be under the false impression that stormfags don't hate Trump for having Jewish friends, a Jewish daughter, deals with Israel, and hasn't gassed all the non-natsoc non-Aryans yet

>>93401437
>doesn't even use the right fallacy
2/10 bait, needs work, we can see right through your insincere EUDF shilling

>>93401230
They made a comprable amount of videos about RO as they did for TFA, but almost all of their RO vids were made after it came out and they hated it, and they had to make the case for why it was bad. Most of their TFA videos were made in the leadup to the movie itself, with only The Plinkett review video coming after it. If they had liked RO, I bet we wouldn't have seen then four or five vids that focused on the movie after it came out.

>>93400986

I like the Slave 1 too, anon.

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Hey drawfag when you have the time could you please draw a more accurate version of this Gallius Rax fan art? The books describe him as wearing a white military uniform with a red cape. Basically Krennic's outfit but make the cape red. I would really appreciate it since for some reason the only fan art of Rax is him wearing random OC donut steel military uniforms.

>>93401461
Shut up Jew go eat some more BBC

I'd say that I can kind of see where RLM was coming from with letting the "I clapped" moments in TFA slide due to the goal of the film basically being to revive SW as a viable film franchise in the public imagination, hence the need to pander to old fans even as they tried to appeal to new ones. However, once past that first film, where you can let these things pass, pandering to nostalgia gets old very quickly, and RO had problems in that area.

I didn't love TFA, and honestly think it below ROTJ, which, for all its flaws, has moments I love and moments I really didn't care for at all, while TFA had moments I liked and disliked, but nothing I really loved or hated.

In regards to characters, I'd say that the film's glaring weakness was its script, but that JJ, for all his faults as a director, once again managed to make the most of his cast so that the performances elevated what could have been a tired story with trash-tier characters. Rey straddles the line on being a Mary Sue, Finn is inconsistently handled, and Poe is just plain badly written. However, each of the actors playing them managed to elevate the characters so that you remembered and liked them anyway. It's why Poe is so unlikeable outside of the movies, because Oscar Isaac isn't distracting you from the character's shortcomings with his charisma.

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>>93401497
>and honestly think it below ROTJ
everything is below ROTJ you fool

>>93401405
what a stupid argument

the reason those characters resonate IS because of a checklist of reasons each of them have whether they know it or not, sometimes they're even bad reasons, like political ones, shallow visual ones, or otherwise

poorly done things can reach mass market success with intelligent marketing and targeted pandering, that's why cult classics exist, because a decent thing has terrible marketing.

>>93401517
by the way i don't even disagree with you that rogue one does a bad job of making its characters memorable

>>93401370
between money, critical score, and audience score
transformers took money and nothing else
pacific rim took about average money, making a decent though not spectacular amount, bu high critical and very high audience scores

TFA took all 3 pretty good
it was rated high, made a billion dollars, and is very much well loved by casual viewers
by all accounts it was a success

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>>93401436
I kind of find it difficult to believe that shots like the tie fighter appearing appearing in front of jyn were done specifically for the trailer

>>93401497
If we're willing to admit that TFA was basically an advertisement then why are so many people still defending it

doesn't that sound stupid to you

>>93401545
Normies like ANH and it was basically a new hope

even though ANH is my favourite too

>>93401497
As for RO, it just plain failed as a movie on various levels, and I'm surprised that there's so much unironic love for it here of all places. The characters are underdeveloped (you could cut Cassian out and merge parts of his backstory with Jyn's to make a much stronger character), the tone is inconsistent (it's hard to take the grittier nature of the film seriously when more average Joe type characters can waste stormtroopers as easily as the plot shield wielding characters from the more lighthearted main films or Rebels; the Vader sequence at the end undermines the attempt to make the Empire look bad because you're more focused on how cool Vader looks here than how bad it is for the Rebels), and the story seems to lack any strong direction in its first two acts.

It was the first SW film I felt bored watching since AOTC (although the TCW pilot movie didn't really do anything for me either), and watching it outside a theater setting later resulted in me simply skipping ahead to certain scenes and the climax because I just could not find it in myself to care about the movie as a whole.

>>93401558
I mean my list goes ANH=Empire>power gap>rogue one and I really resented TFA for just remaking ANH

>>93401560
>characters underdeveloped
true
>tone is inconsistent
not a deal breaker for me, i can swallow jyn and cassian mowing down stormtroopers since one is a child soldier trained since birth to kill and the other is diego luna
>vader
looking cool is all i asked for since the OT, and as for undermining the empire looking bad, the empire has always gotten the cool toys, people have always focused, so even if you dont agree its still standard practice

it aint perfect, but it serviced my fan expectations in just the right way for me to end up watching twice, the action scences and unadulterated fanservice in every way, and the space abttles to end all space battles, were more than enough for me to be more than pleased

>inb4 normie
dont care, i love what i love, and i aint ashamed

>>93401560
>cassian could be merged with Jyn to make a stronger character
maybe, but I'm not sure how you would do that easily
>it's hard to take the grittier nature of the film seirously when average joe type characters can waste stormtroopers as easily as the plot shielded main characters
it's an action movie and by the end of the movie they've all been wasted by regular stormtroopers (something that never happens to ANYONE important in the OT) save for those nuked by the death star
>vader sequences undermines the attempt to make the empire look bad
do you have to do that at this point? Everyone knows the Empire is evil, I don't think showing a bad guy doing cool shit automatically makes everyone join their side.
>Story seems to lack strong direction in its first two acts
I can understand that.

>>93401545

>If we're willing to admit that TFA was basically an advertisement then why are so many people still defending it

For the same reason I don't care that Last Crusade is basically the same movie as Raiders of the Lost Ark.

I still found the characters and action entertaining. And in regards to TFA itself, I found it explored JJ's pet themes(family legacy/daddy issues) better then any of his other works, since it basically turned those inward and made it a whole odd meta commentary on how titanic an influence Star Wars is and how it would be to love up to that legacy.

>>93401560

I'm on a weird group of Rogue One fans where the fact that the characters were so flat and one-note ended up being a part of the reason I enjoyed it.

It was a near-perfect replication of the kind of simple, dirty 1960's Dirty Dozen/Where Eagles Dare styles of men-on-a-mission movies that I watched a lot of in my teen years when I was going through my war film phase. All of those films had flat, robotic characters who existed as pure genre chess pieces to be pushed around on the board and die dramatically like the characters in Rogue One. Part of the enjoyment is just watching professional do their jobs and deep six a bunch of faceless goons, cutting out a lot of the expected character beats in service of manly dramatic sacrifice.

But I get why not a lot of people liked it. if you haven't read a lot of Alistair Maclean books or watched a bunch of cheap Richard Burton WWII espionage movies, it's not going to connect with you and it's not really fair to say "You'll only really enjoy this movie if you have nostalgia for a very specific kind of movie.

Ok I wanna get people's opinion on this, which was more fanservicey - Vader chopping up poor rebel mooks like a shitty 1980s teen slasher film or the Tantive IV shooting out the Profundity's ass like explosive diarrhea

>>93401063
ESB > ANH > ROTS > RO = ROTJ > TFA >>>> TPM >>>>>> AOTC

>>93401710
vader definitely
i loved it so much ,we need more badass vader moments

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>>93401705
>For the same reason I don't care that Last Crusade is basically the same movie as Raiders of the Lost Ark.
>Last Crusade is widely liked as the best out of the trilogy, and is analogous to ROTJ
>Temple of Doom is considered the weakest out of the main trilogy, but is analogous to ESB
esbfgs btfo, rotj master race

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Drawfriend anon, if you are still lurking, are you still taking suggestions?

If yes, maybe you'd be willing to draw an Imperial version of pic related? Hera could be replaced by either Pryce or Seventh Sister and the loth-cats by loth-cat versions of the other Inkies and Thrawn.

>>93401710
Vader, fucking absolutely.

It's the thing people have been asking for for basically forever, Vader doing his fucking job without any of the bullshit.

>>93401063
OT (dont make me choose between my babies) > RO = ST > RoTS>>>>>TPM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AotC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>holiday special

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I'm a huge fanboy for a lot of things, and that's resulted in me watching and reading a lot of shit that sucked hard for franchises I love. Street Fighter Alpha: The Animation, Street Fighter IV: The Ties that Bind, the really bad era of Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog, the Super Mario Bros. Super Show, etc. I love the series that these works are a part of, but I recognize how they all stink out loud.

I don't get how so many other Star Wars fans like a movie that only gets action right, but gets all of the stuff that Star Wars was more about wrong. I love a good action movie, but when you don't care about the characters who are involved in the action, the plot which the action is furthering, and the action itself is only presented well but not interesting or clever, there's no reason to care about the action at all. Rogue One was the most bored I've been in a blockbuster action movie in quite some time.

Worst of all, none of this is about the /co/ part of Star Wars.

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>>93401756

>>93401063
movies I like > movies you like

>>93401756
its a spin-off with a different tone, so i walked in without expecting a star wars story, and walked out without trying to compare it to the originals

its more like fury lite rather than westerns or fantasy, and it does that very well, and its very enjoyable in that respect

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Who could it be?

>>93401705
the difference between Rogue One and all those badass 1960s WWII action movies is that at least one of the characters survived Dirty Dozen, Battle of the Bulge and Where Eagles Dare

>>93401063
>>93401728
FUCK NO, RATE STAR WARS MOVIES ON THE COMFY-METER (tm)
>TPM = 6 pillows
>AOTC = 3 pillows
>TCW = 4 pillows
>ROTS = 1 pillow
>REBELS = 8 pillows
>R1 = 3 pillows
>ANH = 11 pillows
>ESB= 10 pillows
>ROTJ = 9 pillows
>TFA = 5 pillows

>>93401829
Rogue One's a pretty comfy movie
the fact that it was so slow in some parts was part of what I liked abotu it, I think

>>93401829

>the difference between Rogue One and all those badass 1960s WWII action movies is that at least one of the characters survived Dirty Dozen, Battle of the Bulge and Where Eagles Dare

Sure, but the fact that they wiped everyone out was one of the best parts.

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>>93401710

making this bomber.. shall i proceed?

>>93401441
>stormfags
No one mentioned them

Hey, /swco/.
I'm not really a big Star Wars guy, but someone mentioned something in another thread and I figured you guys would know the answers.
What is a Yuuzhan Vong? I don't remember that name from any of the movies. Is it from the Clone Wars cartoon or something?

>>93401756
honestly TFA = Rogue One, but Rogue One had the supreme advantage in visuals while TFA had the benefit of nostalgic characters to connect with
I dislike both

>>93401841
but the WWII movies NEVER to my knowledge wiped EVERYBODY out, there were always a couple survivors, typically the highest paid lead actors

>>93401837
rate them in terms of pillows or blankets or something

>>93401847
>complaining about jews unironically
>not a stormfag
really makes me think

>93401872
This exact same post appeared identically in the last two threads. Do not reply to it. It is copypasta. It is bait.

>>93401878

>but the WWII movies NEVER to my knowledge wiped EVERYBODY out, there were always a couple survivors, typically the highest paid lead actors

Sorry, no I meant that Rogue One doing it was one of the best parts.

I mean, being enamored by things that aren't fantastic but I think have "potential" has been a thing for me for a long time. Several of the games I played my friends would chew me out for playing but I liked playing them because I could see something they could be with progress that they couldn't.

Rogue One is a stupid, comfy action movie with underdeveloped main characters. Maybe it was bad at managing the time it had, but a space war movie in a pulp sci-fi universe using vietnam and WW2-era equipment as props is just about the best set-up a movie could conceivably have for me. With TFA there were things I kind of wanted it to do but by the end it was obvious to me that the vision was "we're going to make ANH again in as cheap a way as possible" and I lost all imagination.

>>93401893

lol this whole thread is a fucking robot shit post from facebook.

>comfy

fuck off

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>>93401895
Oh I'd disagree with that (especially in regards to the fundamentally anti-nihilistic and cynical themes that make Star Wars what it is) but I can respect your opinion knowing now that you weren't referring to The Eagle Has Landed or Kelly's Heroes.

>>93401872
>What is a Yuuzhan Vong?
Non-canon

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>>93401905
I wish, facebook actually posts quality canon content

>>93401710
Vader, without a doubt. He was like a goddamn force of nature.

>>93401910
>getting triggered by 'comfy'
sperg

it's literally just another way to say "thing that is atmospheric and immersive in a comfortable way"

if you don't understand it and it makes you upset to hear then that's your problem buddy

>>93401923
Meanwhile, TFA has the government the OT was spent fighting for annihilated so we can spend three more movies doing rebels n' empire

R1 had people fighting for a good cause and accepting in the mission to scarif being likely suicidal but doing it because it was the right thing to do, I don't think that's inherently cynical

>>93401618
>maybe, but I'm not sure how you would do that easily
I'm just spitballing here, but I guess I'd make it so after the prologue, we get Jyn working as a Rebel in Cassian's position. We understand her motivations because we see how she would hate the Empire, but at the same time, we could have her feeling conflicted and tired of it all because of her doing the dirty work that Cassian did. The search for her father once word comes her way would then reignite her passion and idealism.

>do you have to do that at this point? Everyone knows the Empire is evil, I don't think showing a bad guy doing cool shit automatically makes everyone join their side.
RO kind of expanded on just how bad the Empire is to the average person. It's one thing to see Alderaan blown to bits, but another entirely to see a small sample of the human (and non-human) cost when you see the scale of the DS's destructive capabilities at low power and what happens to Jedha and Scarif. We see families torn apart and the Order of the Whills left in ruins. In short, we were shown just how much life under the Empire sucks.

So when you take this seemingly monolithic evil and show how bad it is on a day to day level instead of keeping them the cartoonish bad guys that we're mostly told are bad (although we do see some of its worst traits in the other movies), you want to keep that consistent.

Vader comes in and suddenly the bad guys look cool and you're looking forward to him hurting Rebels even though you were supposed to be rooting for them before this moment. It'd be like showing the Warsaw Uprising for most of a movie and then seeing an elite Nazi unit kick ass in the coolest manner possible at the end.

>>93401898

>With TFA there were things I kind of wanted it to do but by the end it was obvious to me that the vision was "we're going to make ANH again in as cheap a way as possible" and I lost all imagination.

I dunno, I just like the new cast so much, and like Trek '09 JJ's super-speed pacing worked really well on me.

>>93401923

> in regards to the fundamentally anti-nihilistic and cynical themes

I think Rogue One managed to balance the expected themes of a Star Wars movie with the genre trappings of the old-fashioned cynical WWII mission movies.

Though I could have done without everyone saying the world "hope" 50 times.

>people who think the ST dynamic is the same as the OT when both sides have assfucked each other completely

>>93401826
Hmm... wonder who it could be.

>>93401829
>ESB
>10 pillows
>TPM
>only 6 pillows
Pod racing is quite confy even if its not safe.
TPM its a soft 8 pillows

>>93401973
Well, it's Star Wars. They're clearly expecting that you already know what's going on, which might be problematic to some- but the Empire have always had the coolest shit since the OT. The very first scene of A New Hope is rebels getting gunned down by Stormtroopers breaching a spaceship.

>It'd be like showing the Warsaw Uprising for most of a movie and then seeing an elite Nazi unit kick ass in the coolest manner possible at the end.

...I feel like I might watch that movie.

>>93401878
I hate having to argue in favor of TFA by comparison, because after the movie came out my friends and I came home and immediately started complaining about another death star, where were Y-Wings, why did she get so good at the force so fast, why did they bother casting two guys from The Raid for the shittiest scenes in the movie, etc. For all of it's flaws I still sort of cared about what was going on, and I just don't care about action for action's sake unless it's really interesting action (which the closest RO came for me was the use of the Hammerhead). Both movies weren't good, and I have no intention of seeing another live action Star Wars movie unless they really improve.

Cinematic universes are bullshit. I hate that cape comic discussion has to deal with it so much, and I hate that studios are trying to make them more of a thing than they already are.

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>>93401923

it would be nice if they will show a year in which lucas said it.

first movie was analytical view on happening in former british empire as Tatcher and her royal gangbang bodies went to power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher

>>93401063
Objectively (how good I think they are):
ESB > ANH > RO > ROTJ > TFA > ROTS > TPM > AOTC

Subjectively (how much I love them):
RO > ANH > ESB > ROTS > ROTJ > AOTC > TPM > TFA

>>93401872
Stuff from the old Expanded Universe. It's not canon anymore thankfully as it was edgy and pretty discordant with the Star Wars themes and setting.

I kind of wanted to see a role reversal for the ST, when I first heard about it. This time the Empire are the rebellious splinter faction and the new republic are chasing them down. The fact that TFA had the republic blown up before they could do anything and gave us the resistance just bored the heck out of me.

I loved TFA and R1. And I'm thinking of watching them tonight.
Is that a bad thing? What does that say about me?

>>93401063

ESB > ANH > ROTJ = TFA > RO > ROTS > TPM > AOTC

>>93402016
when do the rebels get cool things to match the empire

the coolest things rebels have done is the death star fight, one of the few times the rebels are more famous than their imperial counterparts, and the battle of endor, where they pry victory from the jaws of defeat

in both cases, their finest moments, the empire still managed to get one over them like vaders TIE advanced murdering everyone

>>93401923
I look at this image, and I can't help but recall that SW was introduced during a period of national cynicism and a time when cinema featured antiheroes and stories filled with shades of grey and black.

And then I think of all the mongoloids out there who are all "the new trilogy should go in a more grey direction to match the mood of the modern day and expand the directions the story can go in."

Why are there so many plebs in the world?

>>93401963
I'm not defending TFA, but it did at least give us 30 years of peace in between the trilogies, which is 30 years more than can be said about the EU.
Still, I wince at the insistence of people to include edgy shit in one of the last few franchises that deals in sincere idealism. There are COUNTLESS grimdark shows and movies and books of every genre, and criminally few fairytales with a genuine, serious childlike innocence that are not totally unwatchable by anybody above the age of 3. Star Wars is one of the last outposts of good feelings in a bleak and mean spirited cinema landscape, and I shudder at the thought that it will no longer remain as such by people who want enforced conformity.

>>93401984
>everyone saying hope every other fucking line
>there isn't any hope in the movie except for it to be over so Leia can save the day in ANH
this was definitely annoying, if you're gonna be as grim as R1 was, keep it fucking consistent

Oh shit, I've just read that Kasdan wanted to retire after Han Solo movie.

That's like the first good news about that disaster of a film.

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>>93401196
>Honestly, the only dumb fanservice moments were the cantina dudes and C3PO and R2D2 briefly showing up.
There was literally nothing wrong with the droids. For one it kinda explained how and why they ended up on the ship at the beginning of ANH. That aside, it's basically a tradition to have R2 and C3PO to show up in every Star Wars movie or tv show.

Either way, it was far more subtle than C3PO just popping up and ruining a perfectly good and heartwarming scene and shouting "HEY LOOK AT MY RED ARM! DID YOU NOTICE THE NEW RED ARM I GOT?" I can never understand why people praise this cameo but attack the cameo in RO.

>>93402051
>is that a bad thing
not at all
>what does this say about me
that you love star wars

not everything has to be hate, despite it being the only emotion /co/ seems to understand

i love watching them too

>>93402037
People love to root for underdogs the most, and equals who are on higher moral ground second. There was no way were going to get a movie that portrays space nazis favorably, and a movie about a strong republic dealing with scattered, weak badguys just doesn't excite people as much. That would be a risk, and Disney isn't about risk.

>>93402051
>Is that a bad thing?
No. We disagree on it, but opinions are subjective

>What does that say about me?
That you're going to watch movies that you enjoy.

>>93402069

>Why are there so many plebs in the world?

To be fair, Pottery King tried to make SW more morally grey with the Prequels Trilogy and we saw how that turned out.

So it's not like he didn't go back on what he said.

>>93402051
It says you have a shit taste and you should be ashamed of yourself.

There is always a chance that by watching TFA again you will realise how wrong you were, but still, even if you won't noone died of shit taste yet.

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>>93402069
>Why are there so many plebs in the world?
Secularism. There is no god but the state, and the media is its profit.

>"... here we are at the end of the 20th century with a lot of people lonely in a Godless world—and now they are denied not only God but the solid substance of judgment and perception". "The world has always been disgracefully managed but now you no longer know to whom to complain." - Eugen Weber

They do not know or believe in anything but the experience they have in life, and right now, that experience is shit. So they think everything needs to be as shitty as them to be enjoyable.

Sorry for waxing philosophical but you asked for it.

>>93402078
holy shit kasdan is such a beta bitch boy cuck good riddance

I wonder what ESB and ROTJ would have been like with Ron Howard helping GL

>>93402069
>so many plebs
as it turns out most people are average

>>93402070
But pure idealism doesn't mean as much if you don't have bad things happening to balance it out. If you lead a life without any strife, you'll ultimately become jaded and bored because you've had nothing to make the good things in life seem good.

There's a point where you can go overboard with edge, but a little bit of it can just make the idealism of the characters seem all the more pronounced. Wonder Woman, for instance.

>>93402144
>muh "humans need god or they'll all act cynical or amoral"
leave

>>93402132
>this post
kek, this summarizes /tv/ in two autistic lines.

>>93402079
I think the complaints about the droids was more that their cameo really stuck out in the movie. The way they were included made enough sense in universe, but it felt too much like "yep, we gotta put these two in." C3PO's red arm and shoving himself into the scene was bad, but R2D2 was in the movie for plot reasons, so their inclusion was okay. In RO it was basically a Stan Lee cameo, and one that seemed at odds with the movie's tone.

>>93402175
not the argument I made, the argument was that they needed something good to believe in, not something demonstrably shitty, believing in flagrantly immoral things (e.g. Greek gods) is psychological poison

*tips fedora* M'lady.

>>93402078
>Han Solo movie.
How mediocre is this movie going to be?

>>93402179
Exactly. In RO you only saw the droids from behind as well.

>a whole thread of nothing except for actually discussing Star Wars movies
Excuse me, did I accidentally click on the wrong thread? I was looking for /swco/.

>>93402209
Disney hired a pair of directors who were turning the movie into exactly what everyone expected them to turn it into, then replaced them part way through production to make it a more typical movie in its genre. Same thing happened with Fantastic Four (2015), and look how great that turned out.

>>93402209
might be great, might be better than any other movie there is, might be worse than TFA, who knows, I'll still be offended by its very existence regardless of whether I enjoy it or not because I have a personal aversion to the idea of capeshit character movies even though I like most of them

>>93402116
I'd argue that while some moral ambiguity was introduced in the prequels and TCW, ultimately, the story remained mostly black and white because we knew that there were clear cut good guys even among the troubled Republic and Jedi, and that ultimately, the main antagonists were all very much pure bad guys who were responsible for most of what was going wrong as well as what risked turning grey.

>>93402263
the inverted bookends of the Binary Sunset (one of the first scenes of the first movie and the last scene of the last movie, so chronologically in universe they basically touch, "muh ring theory" and so on) felt a lot more sincere though in comparison to HEY LOOK HERE'S LEIA THE REAL STAR OF THE SHOW

>>93402263

>I'd argue that while some moral ambiguity was introduced in the prequels and TCW, ultimately, the story remained mostly black and white because we knew that there were clear cut good guys even among the troubled Republic and Jedi, and that ultimately, the main antagonists were all very much pure bad guys who were responsible for most of what was going wrong as well as what risked turning grey.

Well I'd say that's a big issue with the PT, in that it's trying to find some kind moral ambiguity in a world that can't support it outside of maybe very limited pockets.

It's why Ian McDirmand gives the best performance of the whole lot, he's the only one that knows this is silly nonsense and not a grand Shakespearean tragedy or a 1950's James Dean doomed romance melodramatic weepie.

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>>93401063

>>93402321
They were Georgie boy's movies, and they were definitely sincere. The Prequels were shitty movies, but they were his shitty movies, full of new (mostly bad) ideas.
Disney Star Wars isn't even trying to hide how it's only made to sell merch and cash in on nostalgia.

>>93402205
I just think the idea that humans can't be complete believing in themselves is a little insulting, not to sound like an anime.

>>93402352
>AOTC
>OK tier
>TPM better than ROTS

>>93402367
>full of new (mostly bad) ideas
What's with the sudden wave of /tv/ posters?

>>93402367

>Disney Star Wars isn't even trying to hide how it's only made to sell merch and cash in on nostalgia.

I just can't accept this narrative after years of people making fun of Lucas for branding anything possible with a Star Wars logo for sale and even including a whole race of cuddly teddy bear monsters as built-in toys.

Lucas and Disney did the exact same things and people just hand-wave it as though auteur theory is some sort of bulletproof shield that makes you inherently better then a company by design.

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I'm currently making a version of Revenge of the Sith that adds in a few deleted scenes (the one where Palpatine and Anakin talk about the Chancellor taking direct control over the Jedi Council, the one where the Delegation of the 2,000 is formed, the one where the Delegation meets with Palpatine, then the one where the Jedi discuss the dark aura surrounding Palpatine). I'll probably upload it somewhere for you guys so would you like me to add any other deleted scenes? The only one I really don't want to add is the one where the clones disguise themselves as Jedi because I think it's stupid as fuck.

>>93402383
They can of course, but first they have to believe that humans are good instead of murderous, divisive, greedy, hateful, perverted, barbaric, tribal, evil, racist, corrupt good-for-nothing scum, and political institutions are not the ideal role model for that. And I include as political institutions the Fourth Estate of the media.

>>93401826

wedge?

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RotS>RO>ANH>RotJ>ESB>TPM>AotC>>>>>>>>>>>TFA

>>93402441
because the narrative is horse shit promoted by EUfags who got burned by the canon purge and need a scapegoat to lash out at now that they can no longer piss on Lucas

>>93402447

Just don't add the one where Shaak Ti gets killed by Grevious because it'll trigger me as it's non-canon

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ANH > ESB > ROTJ > ROTS > RO >= TFA > TPM > AOTC > HOLIDAY SPECIAL

>>93402543
Yeah I didn't want to add that either because it's noncanon. Plus I don't want to add any with unfinished CGI.

>>93401872
I'll give you a non-retarded and non-dismissive answer.
They were an extra-galactic race that invaded the Star Wars universe. They were unique in regards they almost completely relied on organic technology and despised machinery, droids and non-living tech. They also couldnt feel the Force either which made them immune to Jedi and Sith alike.

They were mostly hated because they were almost 40k levels of what. I appreciate what they tried to do but it wasnt set up properly. You have to understand things were kinda of stagnant at this point in the EU. Everything was a copy of the OT or PT.

>>93402560

the holiday special is like the definition of kinography you utter pleb

stay woke

>>93401497
>and honestly think it below ROTJ
Well ROTJ is the best so no shit
TFA is the worst SW film
It's a better film compared to AOTC but AOTC is a better SW film.

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>>93402601
>Well ROTJ is the best so no shit
my wookiee

Why did the Death Star blast looked different for Jedha and Scariff? First time it looked like an asteroid impact (which I think was more realistic considering how the superlaser works), second time it looked like a nuclear fireball with no debris to be seen.

>>93401481
so you call them drawfag them ask them to draw something for you?

fuck off

ANH=ESB>RO>ROTJ>>>>TFA>>>PREQUEL NONSENSE

>>93402681
Drawfag is a general term used here retard. Nobody uses it in a derogatory manner.

>>93402687
winner

>>93402681
newfag detected

Where did the "it's good because the director tried" meme start?

>>93402673
Completely different shot. We did not get much lingering shots of Scariff but they both had the "nuclear" look

>>93402690
>>93402721
TRICKED

>>93401235
>>93401134
kys

>>93402882
no u

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>>93402922
THE DELEGATES THRAWNALD

>>93402681
Fucking neophytes have ruined these threads.

>>93403008
Second one from the right looks a bit like Justin "Fidel's jr" Trudeau.

Why does everyone complain about "inconsistent tone"

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>>93402069
>Star Wars is everything anti-hip

Is that why it's trying to prove women and blacks are better people than white men like every other entertainment property out there?

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>>93403235
How was he "better"? What kind of portrayal would fall under this? BVS, Aquaman, Spider-man Homecoming, Star Trek 3 have black villains.

>>93401063

> ESB = R1 > 77 > ROTJ = TFA >>>>> TPM > AOTC = ROTS

>>93403235
>Is that why it's trying to prove women and blacks are better people than white men

Don't be that guy

>>93403145
Out of curiosity, just how many of these do we have?

>all these people that don't have TFA dead last
Looks like this general isn't for me anymore.

>>93403469
That's the third variation I've seen posted here. Could be more.

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>>93403469

Reminder that Kathleen Kennedy is the official Star Wars expert and always knows what's best for the franchise.

http://ew.com/movies/2017/06/22/ron-howard-takes-over-directing-duties-on-han-solo-film/

>After relaunching the franchise, which had taken damage from the critical reception of the Star Wars prequels, and building not just an acclaimed new saga with The Force Awakens but kicking off a series of stand-alone films with Rogue One, Kennedy felt she had earned her galactic bona fides: The directors should give her the benefit of the doubt and follow her concept of what the Star Wars movie should be.

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>>93403553
>mfw

I just finished reading Guardians of the Whills.

That book is the comfiest Star Wars book I have ever read. Easily boosted Baze and Chirrut up my favorite characters list.

>>93400861
This is actually explained in the book; Baze's gun is a custom-modified Tank Turret he salvaged/stole. Baze is just stronk enough to carry it around.

The huge silver container he has on his back is a cooling chamber to stop the turret blowing up in his hands.

That's why you're not seeing it anywhere else.

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>>93401196
>Honestly, the only dumb fanservice moments were the cantina dudes and C3PO and R2D2 briefly showing up
The funny thing about the droids is I think Star Wars fans are honest-to-God done with them

I NEVER see people excited to talk or point out those droids, but I have seen people excited for Chopper. That's fanservice done right. For the fans, adding positively to the universe, while not being shoehorned or in your face.

Pic very related

>>93403752
>>After relaunching the franchise, which had taken damage from the critical reception of the Star Wars prequels, and building not just an acclaimed new saga with The Force Awakens but kicking off a series of stand-alone films with Rogue One, Kennedy felt she had earned her galactic bona fides: The directors should give her the benefit of the doubt and follow her concept of what the Star Wars movie should be.

So Kathleen Kennedy is going the Lucas route. It's MY sandbox, you're going to play in it MY way. This sucks, I honestly thought we might actually get some crazy, off-the-wall Star Wars movies, but nope.

>>93403752
>Ron Howard taking over directing duties
I'm kinda optimistic about this.

>>93403841
That's not what George was doing though
The OT had multiple people directing and he wanted others to do the Prequels but no one wanted to

>>93403904
It's probably just some reshoots and the last 3 weeks of production they had left.
The movie is definitely going to be very mixed because of different directors.

>>93403835
We've seen them so often that it's barely noteworthy that they had a cameo in RO. Chopper was huge since it was a definite cross-medium moment that a lot of people were skeptical would ever happen. It was genuinely exciting to see a major character from a cartoon appear, even as a cameo.

>>93403835
There's no reason to even care about the droids, they've been around forever and a cameo from them is meaningless. Hell, the last time we saw them in TFA they were basically cameos anyway.

>>93400769
Oh, so this character actually has a name. Color me surprised.

>>93404000
Yes anon, they say it in the movie

>>93404000
Do you have ADHD or something?

Or is this a /tv/ meme I have missed

>>93404020
once, offhand

not good writing

>>93403835
There are multiple levels of fanservice for a series as popular as Star Wars. R2 and X-Wings are for casual fans.

>>93403752
Why is everyone quick to blame Kennedy?

Rumors were suggesting that L&M were adding in shitty quips that weren't in the script, as well as producing very mediocre action scenes.

It was Alden himself who was expressing major concern that the movie was becoming a joke, which prompted Kennedy to take action.

I don't exactly like Kennedy neither, but in this situation, it seems like she was completely justified to bring in Ron Howard, who seems far more fitting and deserving of the movie. This has nothing to do with Kennedy trying to make Star Wars "one type" of film, or wanting to limit Lord & Miller's "creative freedom". Especially after how Rogue One took a lot of risks for a Star Wars movie, and both Gareth and Rian have expressed that they have had a lot of creative freedom with their movies.

They just didn't go full retard with it, whereas it seems Lord & Miller did.

>>93401063
ROTS > RO = ANH > TPM > ROTJ > AOTC = ESB >>>>>>>>>>>> TFA

>>93404036
>im too dumb to remember a characters name, even though it's said clearly in the movie, and everybody else in the thread knew it just fine
>this is the writers fault

>>93404143
>said once in the movie
>bunch of people who talk about star wars every day know his name
whoa!!!

>>93404122

>and both Gareth and Rian have expressed that they have had a lot of creative freedom with their movies.

M8, we know large parts of Rogue Juan were reshot.

Rian Johnson is a different story. He has enough clout and enough of a bantzmaster that if he was getting fucked by Disney he either would have quit or would have let something slip. But RO was not made with a lot of "creative freedom."

>>93404173
Why do you come to a Star Wars thread if you're just going to complain about Star Wars?

>>93404195
>M8, we know large parts of Rogue Juan were reshot.
No, we know that reshoots were done to make the ending more streamlined

they certainly weren't "massive" and mainly were just there to simply the stealing of the plans

>>93404220
>he comes to 4chan for discussion
just go outside

>>93404122
>This has nothing to do with Kennedy trying to make Star Wars "one type" of film, or wanting to limit Lord & Miller's "creative freedom".

Yeah it has.
They hired them to make the Han Solo movie, so let them make the movie they want to make.
But they're not firing them because they wanted to make their own movie, which they were hired to do.


>both Gareth and Rian have expressed that they have had a lot of creative freedom with their movies.
Gareth had a shit ton of reshoots with a different writer/director(?) though since his stuff wasn't "good enough". Which seems to be the same thing they're doing with the Han Solo movie.
The difference is that Lord and Miller seems to have more "integrity" and didn't want to play along with LF. Where as Gareth rolled over since he was happy with just making a Star Wars movie.

>>93404173
It was said 5 times in the movie and the promotional materials and books also would have been options to familiarize yourself with the name.

It's no one's fault but your own that you can't pay attention

>>93404291
>But they're not firing them
But they're firing them*

>>93404195
I know about the Rogue One reshoots, but Gareth actually recently came out to explain that most of it was just because the final act of the movie was too long. The DS plans and the transmitter were supposed to be completely separate buildings that Jyn would have had to travel through (evidence of this is in the trailers if you remember)

However regarding the creative decisions made by Gareth and Lucasfilm, they had TONS of freedom. Gareth even said he was surprised at how much, stating that he didn't even think he would be allowed to kill half the cast, let alone all of them. He brought up the possibility to Kennedy, and she told him to go for it.

Kennedy isn't the meddling, trigger-happy, satanic feminazi that some people believe she is. At Celebration this year she was praising Gareth and RO for the risks it took above all else, and said she was expecting Star Wars movies to continue to surprise fans in the future.

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Newbie drawfag reporting back after last night's thread. I have some free time now so starting to add some colour to this.
Thanks all for your patience. Slow and steady...

>>93401481
To do that justice, I think I'd have to read the second and third Aftermath books, and I haven't been able to find the courage, yet. Sorry.
>>93401746
That's... pretty cute, I have to say, Pryce frolicking with some imperial lothcats. I'll take it under advisement.
>>93402681
I appreciate your concern anon, but it's alright, we like it

>>93404291
>add shitty jokes that weren't in the approved script, and bad action scenes to the movie
>to the point that the lead actor is complaining
>"waahhhh they should have been allowed to make it that way if they wanted"
What the fuck are you smoking, anon?

>>93404291
We already know why Gareth had to do re-shoots, and it wasn't because his footage wasnt "good enough"

>>93404299
my my we're defensive.

>>93404122
Not the anon you replied to but I agree. L&M probably would've given the movie too much unneeded levity, but that's just considering their background in comedy, I don't mind there being humour in a Han Solo movie but I don't want the movie to evolve into Jump Street in space.

>>93404320

> but Gareth actually recently came out to explain that most of it was just because the final act of the movie was too long

Except there was clearly a lot of background material on Jyn that got cut. More with Whittaker's character, more with Galen and Ben Mehndelson, etc. Also apparently so much of Riz Ahmed's character was reshot that he even got an entirely new name, which is insane.

>Kennedy isn't the meddling, trigger-happy, satanic feminazi that some people believe she is

I'm not saying she is. She's been a Hollywood producer since the 80's, she wasn't born yesterday and she knows what she's doing.

I'm just saying Rogue One was not made with pure creative freedom.

>>93404385

>I don't mind there being humour in a Han Solo movie but I don't want the movie to evolve into Jump Street in space.

Which makes me wonder why they hired them in the first place.

>>93404376
Yeah, you are getting pretty defensive

Why were L&M even picked in the first place?

>>93404398
>Except there was clearly a lot of background material on Jyn that got cut. More with Whittaker's character, more with Galen and Ben Mehndelson, etc. Also apparently so much of Riz Ahmed's character was reshot that he even got an entirely new name, which is insane.
Where the fuck are you getting all of this?

>I'm just saying Rogue One was not made with pure creative freedom.
It had more than enough for Gareth to leave his desired mark, making his own decisions, as will Rian and TLJ.

Studio heads meddling could be much, much worse. When the movies start turning into the MCU, then we can worry about directors not getting any creative freedom. Everything we have heard about this fiasco suggests that Lord & Miller were truly screwing it up for everyone.

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Why does it seem like Ventress has wildly inconsistent power levels. One episode she can't stop a padawan and the next she is topping a Jedi master with no problem.

>>93404398
>Which makes me wonder why they hired them in the first place.

My guess is that Kathleen thought that they would be good picks to bring out the natural charm and charisma that Alden would need to portray Han Solo, to make him come off as naturally funny.

She probably didn't expect them to do this by adding in quips that shouldn't have been there, to "force" Han's comedic side.

>>93404437
See: >>93404463

>>93404437
>>93404398
Because even without their comedic elements, they're good at handling multiple characters at once and they're good with action.

>>93404398
>Except there was clearly a lot of background material on Jyn that got cut. More with Whittaker's character, more with Galen and Ben Mehndelson, etc. Also apparently so much of Riz Ahmed's character was reshot that he even got an entirely new name, which is insane.
Source?

>I'm just saying Rogue One was not made with pure creative freedom.
of course not, but it was made with quite a lot of freedom, enough for Gareth to feel comfortable and to leave his mark.

>>93404437
Of the original Star Wars cast, Han was "the funny one," so they chose directors who direct comedies. Then when they focused on what they do best, and what they were clearly hired for, they got kicked out.
Han wasn't just a funny guy of course, but that's what they do, that's what they were hired for, and Lucasfilm is totally at fault for picking the wrong directors for their project, same as Fantastic Four, Suicide Squad, Ant-Man, etc.

>>93404437

>Why were L&M even picked in the first place?

The only thing that makes any sense is that they're known as the miracle workers of inherently stupid ideas and Kennedy knew that everyone would consider Young Han Solo to be an inherently retarded idea.

ie

>Young Han Solo? That sounds idiotic, who wants that?

>Oh man, the Jump Street/Lego guys are directing it? Well, they've done more with less

The problem is they're going to want to make a wacky comedy and Kasdan clearly wants to make his big sendoff to the universe he helped shape.

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>>93404455
Firstly, power levels don't exist in Star Wars. And before you mention Midichlorians, those are more a measurement of potential and growth, than actual explicit power levels.

Secondly,
>One episode she can't stop a padawan and the next she is topping a Jedi master with no problem.
I don't know what you even mean by this? Any time Ventress fought Ahsoka, Ventress always had the upper hand. Ahsoka would likely even be dead had Luminara not been there.

The strongest Ventress was ever portrayed was when she force choked Obi-Wan and Anakin, and that clearly took every single shred of hatred and power within her, as she was in the worst situation of her entire life. She couldn't even finish them off, she was begging them to just leave her alone.

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Who was the more favored by Count Dooku?

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>>93404766

>>93404804
I like this, Cushing and Lee were bros irl.

>>93404291
>They hired them to make the Han Solo movie, so let them make the movie they want to make
>>84215028
>Lord and Miller get hired to make the Han Solo prequel
>It's a standard boilerplate Disney SW movie exactly like they will make every year from now on indefinitely for decades; some action, some comic relief, some sadness
>Lord and Miller decide they want to make more of a star wars comedy
>They can't ask for a new script because it will tip off the studio that they are changing the film, so instead they shoot the take from the script, then encourage actors to ad-lib a few takes mostly with more humor in mind
>They end up using the improv takes instead of the ones that follow the script
>No one knows anything about this except the actors and some of the people working on the film since no one watches the dailies
>Eventually Alden Ehrenreich, who hates the comedy direction and wants his character to be serious goes to Disney and personaly rats them out to Kathleen Kennedy, tells her they are not making the movie they are supposed to and they are ruining his character
>Kennedy demands to see the cut of the film they have so far
>They send her the cut so far
>It's a comedy and doesn't follow the script at all
>She completely freaks out and says this wasn't the film you were hired to make
>She demands they reshoot everything and follow the original script
>They refuse
>She fires them and hires Ron Howard to do the reshoot
She made a good call

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/books/2017/06/21/star-wars-battlefront-ii-inferno-squad-exclusive-excerpt/103037074/

So Iden was present at the deaths of both Death Stars, having been caught in the debris field of the first just as it explodes.

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>>93405104
Whats the consensus on the Inferno Squad designs?

>>93405104

definitely not an ahsoka-level OC donut steel though

>>93405156
I like it. I know some people don't like the suped up TIE pilot design being used for special forces, but I don't mind. I think they look cool.

I'm just hoping the game won't be complete shit.

>>93405156

I love the idea of inferno squad but I think those pilot helmets look goofy, always have - I wish it was a new helmet that we haven't seen before

>>93405156
They should have had black and red scout trooper helmets instead

>>93405156
I like it

i bet some fags will complain that they weren't given some ocdonutsteel special armor

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>>93401056
Originally there was going to be a Top Gun-esque arc in TCW involving Rex and R2 as well as some clones. In that same arc there would be a Terminator-esque vibe as well when Rex and R2 capture a Super Battle Droid and grow attached to it over the course of the episodes.

>>93405156
My mind associates that helmet with pilot, so I can't see it as a ground trooper helmet. It's like seeing fire turn something into ice. It's just confuses and hurts my poor pea brain.

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Anyone else feel like everything about the stormtroopers in rebels is terrible? Design, voice acting, mannerisms it all feels either wrong or just strait up bad.

>>93405195
I think it fits really well if they are used for space combat as well and are kinda used as a jack of all trades sort of trooper ones that can move between land and air with relative ease.

>>93405372
they're...cute


i wish they would seem menacing at least once

>>93405156
i dont mind it just seems like storm commandos may have been a better choice since they can fly also

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>>93405156
So how many stormtrooper special forces does this put us at now, I've lost track? Bonus points if you can explain why Disney feels the need to keep making more rather than use existing ones.

>>93405372
They're like less funny versions of the B1 droids, but also somehow more incompetent

>>93405461
>Disney makes star wars

>>93405472

I think that's the problem with Stormtroopers on the whole. In the first movie they were intentionally missing shots and built up to be a big deal. In the second one Luke only survived by taking cover, and even then Vader wanted to meet him instead of just have him shot. In the last one they manage to catch Han trying to sneak around and fight him mano a mano, absolutley fuck the Ewoks and Rebels, and wound Leia.

NuCanon, and to be fair large swathes of the EU, has this bizarre idea that Stormtroopers are bumbling retards when that was literally never true in the films. It also has them not just get treated like disposable drones, but like filler you can just kill off for a punchline.

>>93405195
>>93405156
>>93405216
>>93405274

Lads, Inferno Squadron is literally space-focused. That's why they have TIE Pilot helmets.

We see Iden in her TIE in the trailer, and the Novel excerpt also has her piloting. Battlefront 2 is probably going to have ground-combat out of necessity, not choice, with most of Inferno Squads prior experience being in the air.

The recent comics also showed TIE Pilots full geared up for action after exiting their vehicles.

It's not like they were chosen for shits and giggles

>>93405543
Seriously the more expendable Clones get treated with more care and respect. Get more varied voice acting too, I don't know why they thought to reuse the same voice for all stormtroopers in rebels, and it doesn't help that the actor always sounds like he doesn't care about anything that is happening.

>>93403779
Just finished reading it as well. Comfy, though surprisingly depressing in terms of the escalation that happens through the story. Deliberating on what to move on to next (Thrawn, Rebel Rising, Rise of the Empire).

>>93405461
Those are cyborg bodyguards, not special forces

Also they've made new trooper designs for literally every Star Wars movie ever. And while toys will be made and sold, it's also partly just because they like designing cool new shit.

>rather than use existing ones.
"Inferno Squad are just TIE Pilots, REEE!"
"Death Troopers? Why does Disney keep making new designs rather than use existing ones?"

>>93405590

They reuse shit all the fucking time in Rebels. I think every second or third no name officer or bridge operator in the empire is just Steve Blum, who's also doing Zeb and a bunch of other voices at the same time.

>>93405590
They do have various Stormtrooper voices, its just Steve Blum fills in a lot

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>>93405372
Nah, the design is fine(the big helmet has grown on me even if I wouldn't mind a normal one), the voice acting has been fine, and the mannerisms too.

>>93405543
>has this bizarre idea that Stormtroopers are bumbling retards when that was literally never true in the films.
Stormtroopers couldn't hit anything on Bespin and on Endor they just ran away from the Ewoks when they were ambushed instead of standing their ground and shooting at them

>>93405590
>and it doesn't help that the actor always sounds like he doesn't care about anything that is happening.
you mean just like the stormtroopers in the OT?

>>93405372
They're fine

Heavily inspired by the ANH troopers, which should answer all your points

>>93405653

Luke was behind cover on Bespin and had the force to guide him. Standing around waiting to be killed is also terrible from a tactical standpoint.

>>93405543
Canon has been treating them just the same as the movies.

Competent, except when they're not. Which is whenever the hero-in-question needs to be shown succeeding.

Always been the case, always will be.

>>93405626
I'm ok with inferno squad, but what was the point of the deathtroopers, they showed up for one movie and will fad after the fact, and considering the timeline placement of said movie them not showing up again is really noticeable.

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>>93405716
They already showed up in Rebels m8, what are you on about?

They're clearly a popular design that will crop up again where applicable.

They're specifically on-call for any high-ranking Imperial who requests them. Seeing as we don't see any Grand Admirals in the OT, we don't need to worry about why there aren't any in those movies.

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>>93405461
Well the clones were just as bad they had so many designs it's crazy.

>>93405697
>Luke was behind cover on Bespin and had the force to guide him.
I wasn't talking abut Luke, I was talking about Leia, Chewie, Lando, and R2. The Stormtroopers never hit anything besides the walls or the falcon when shooting at them.

Not even when they had pretty damned clear shots

> Standing around waiting to be killed is also terrible from a tactical standpoint.
They're fucking teddy bears with stones and shitty arrows, the stormtroopers had blasters and armor. If they're "elite awesome badass soldiers" they should be able to easily handle a bunch of primitives.

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>>93405787
>they should be able to easily handle a bunch of primitives
The Stormtrooper vs Ewok debate is purely because Lucas wanted toys to sell instead of using Wookies like was planned.

>>93405840
>The Stormtrooper vs Ewok debate is purely because Lucas wanted toys to sell instead of using Wookies like was planned.
Incorrect.

He didn't use wookiees because

1. Budget
2. He wanted the "primitives beat the more advanced Empire" angle but couldn't do that with Wookiees because of Chewbacca

>>93405771

They literally should have had the white designs, and like 3 others max.

90% of clone designs are ugly as hell

>>93405907
Probably due to the fact none of the suits actually existed and the animators just kinda went crazy because they could, rather than being constrained by what can be built and would actually be wearable. .

>>93405771
>>93405907
>Shitting on those based as fuck Clone designs
You guys aint my nigga

You aint my nigga at all

>>93405840
I hate this meme

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>>93405461
people are only going to buy so many of the same stromtrooper toy
Han solo movie has at least one more new trooper

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>>93405771
So witch basic trooper design is the best?

>>93401535
They do random shots

That shot from the first trailer where they first show Jyn in the imperial uniform where she turns and looks towards the camera was only done because as they were walking across the set someone called Felicity Jones's name and she turned to look. The director saw it, thought it looked cool, and decided to do an actual shoot.

Though you're right, something like that was probably more intentional

>>93405771
>>93405907
(You)

>>93406052
P H A S E 2

>>93406052
Phase II >>> Phase I > Stormtrooper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First Order

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>>93406052
Phase II > Phase I > TLJ FO > Stormtrooper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FO

>>93406052
phase 1, 2 and the OT trooper have a clear progression that you can see. FO trooper changed far too much, it feels like we're missing 1-2 helmets in between

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>>93406095
>>93406098
>>93406118
Where the clones basically the best thing to come out of the prequels?

>>93406223
They're one of many good things IMO, but yes the Clones are really fucking cool.

Cool designs, cool names, cool characters, empathetic stories, and they fight in actual large-scale wars, something that despite the titular name of the franchise, is uncommon in the other eras.

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>>93406223
They were one of the many great things to come from the prequels

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>>93406052

Phase II, Phase 1, and the original helmets are good. The TFA ones .. not so much

>>93406079

what are you trying to say here

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>>93406052
Concept Stormtrooper
but out of the ones that actually appear on film i'd say phase 2 mostly because it has the best fit even if thats because theyre cg. I think they need to tweak the stormtrooper armour design just so it fits better. Especially if theyre going to kepp using them in anthology movies. They lookd pretty bad with theyre armour all flapping about next the more solidly designed trooper variants that rogue one introduced

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>>93406594
Twi'leks are whores, not master race at all

Masters of sucking dick maybe

>>93406594
how do her ear horns fit in there?

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>>93406638
you mistook which part of that picture was the ubermensch

>>93406716
they're soft and squishy

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>>93406746
Scout Trooper master race reporting in.

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>>93406773

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>>93406802

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some drawfag on /tg/ was kind enough to draw a custom scout trooper oc for me last year

So, apparently Scott Bromley might be involved with an episode of Rebels. Nay or yay?

Even he admits his jokes are throw away.

>>93406920
Nay.

He's a great producer for Lucasfilm, but while I like Comedy Button a lot, I never find myself wanting to go back to an episode. A good Star Wars... thing... has a lot of rewatchablity.

>>93406920
Only if the episode stars a combination of the Star Wars Show cast and Comedy Button cast.

And is about a crew of Rebels so bad, they got located to Hoth over half a decade before Empire.

>>93400769
>laser rifles
Who wrote this? Pretty sure that man portable weapons only come in the blaster variety, with lasers being reserved for starships. Is it firing the equivalent of five laser cannons? Is that gun the equivalent of a fucking x-wing in firepower?

Also, what is a guardian of the whills? Last I checked, the term was essentially undefined outside of probably yoda's race or maybe the writers of the opening crawl or maybe the force entities yoda spoke to at the end of clone wars or something.

>>93406879
Big guy.

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>>93406126
There was like 30 years in between OT and FO
perhaps will see that in a cartoon

>>93407083
Pablo Hidalgo wrote that guide. And yes, Baze's gun is literally a modified Tank Turret. It's stupidly strong.

The Guardians of the Whills are a little more mysterious so its hard to answer. Having read the book of the same name, it seems like the Guardians are spiritual monks who might have a heightened connection to the force, but not enough to become Jedi. So they watch over sacred temples and preach Jedi teachings, without actually having magic powers themselves.

Basically psuedo-Jedi. Although I noticed something interesting; The Sith Code was recited and collected in the Journal. It seems the Guardians may preach more than what the Jedi teach, but rather a more extended view on the force.

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>>93407251
But that's wrong

>>93407273
There was some concept art for Battlefront 2 that showed what seemed to be a middle-stage for post-Jakku stormtroopers.

Not sure if that design is going to be realized in the game/other canon media or not though.

>>93406052
Phase 2 is the GOAT

>people complaining about new shit in star wars

kill yourselves

>>93407273
Filoni's next project is a "Star Wars Hats and Helmets Through the Ages" weekly fashion show.

>>93407305
>my guy has an even bigger gun than the biggest gun that exists in star wars!
At least the lasers are on purpose.

And the guardians of the whill are just another non-jedi force using group that teaches jedi stuff for some reason, yes? Seems pretty straight forward. They probably don't know what a whill is either.

>>93407326
>Doesn't post the image.

>>93407435
>people not worshipping every decision of Disney's as gold
Maybe you should take the mouse cock out of your wallet for 5 minutes and get some help.

>>93407435
Nothing wrong with new. It's the SHIT they keep trying to pass off as star wars that offends me.

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>>93407251
Droideka out of the way

>>93402095
>That would be a risk
That's most movies, though. Terrorists, criminals, supervillains, etc. You can still put the heroes in a position of weakness when the empire isn't all-encompassing.

>>93404766
Genndy wars material (which both originate from) made it fairly clear that Dooku had more confidence in Grievous than Ventress but Grievous has gotten fuqq'd since ROTS so it's probably the opposite now

>>93407976
>grievous and ventress originate from genndywars
this is what eufags actually believe

>>93408042
>eufags
No the word you are looking for is casual.

>>93408106
why did you say eufag twice?

>>93408042
it's true for grievous, ventress showed up in a comic book before she appeared in clone wars not long after

>>93408106
nah.

Casuals would be confused as fuck seeing they only watch the movies and claim that Rey is the best Jedi ever.

>>93408156
Genndy got his hands on final production art for ROTS before he had the chance to claim "he showed up here first." Everything about General Grievous is Lucasfilm's alone. Which is why Lucas continued to completely ignore what Genndy had done to his character.

The NAME Asajj Ventress, might be a creation of Genndy Tartakovsky's, maybe, but the design is all Lucasfilm. She was concept art for Darth Maul before Maul was turned into a man.

>>93408140
EUfags are only becoming casuals in recent years, as they divulge in less and less content, while psuedo-EUfag normies pretend like they always enjoyed the EU.

Actual EUfags are pretty hardcore autists though

Anyways, >>93407976, this anon: >>93408156 is correct, although technically Greivous didn't really appear in Genddywars either. Lets face it, that guy was NOT Greivous. Genddy just ran with the "badass" design, and tried to create a "badass" character to match, not really knowing what Greivous was actually going to be like.

(Although thats the LEAST of it, 2003 Greivy was way too over-the-top, even if the character WAS going to be more competant)

>>93408181
I must do well avoiding casuals because I think I would physically die if I heard that irl.

>>93408204
>She was concept art for Darth Maul before Maul was turned into a man.
You're thinking of Mother Talzin

Ventress was actually fully designed and was almost going to be in Attack of the Clones.

I think she was cut because Lucas realized there was way too many new villains.

>>93408106
>This is what neophytes actually believe.

>>93408181
Most casuals I have talked to don't like Rey.

Except for the girls, who like her because she is a girl.

(Although I find that most girls still prefer Ani/Obi above Rey and Luke)

>>93408214
If I remember correctly with Greivous Genndy just had a design to go off of and Lucas gave him nothing so he was just going blind.

>>93408230
Oh I mistook that. So she was originally going to be the Dooku character (way early in production that is) before they decided he'd be a man right? Because Grievous was originally a tiny human-ish boy and maybe even a girl before that, and the Neimoidians were shaped like the Geonosians.

>>93408249
Funny enough, I was considering mentioning 'because she's a girl' but opted against it since that's more 'casual sjw' than just a mere casual.

>that last point
I suppose there's always room for hope.

>>93408204
But you're not changing that Grievous first showed up in Genndy Wars first, my dude.

Also why are you painting it as Genndy stealing the character and perverting it for his Genndy whims when Lucasfilm literally hadn't finished writing a characterization for Grievous yet though they were expected to write a leadup to ROTS with important characters present?

>>93408273
>So she was originally going to be the Dooku character (way early in production that is) before they decided he'd be a man right?
Dooku was always going to exist, but he was going to be less interesting or important, until Christopher Lee got on board. Lucas actually rewrote the entire character around Lee.

>Grievous was originally a tiny human-ish boy and maybe even a girl before that, and the Neimoidians were shaped like the Geonosians.
That's mostly just different concept art that was thrown around. Generally Lucas would throw out random ideas he had, and the art department would just go wild. Then Lucas would come down and check out what everyone had come up with, and pick the designs he liked the most, or fit the ideas in his head.

With Greivous, George just wanted a new droid commander, so they had a lot of freedom there. But eventually George started leaning towards the creepier skull masks, and he said he liked the idea of a cyborg being in control of the droid army. He also really liked the idea that the General would cough, because the imagery of a coughing droid was bizarre and funny and creepy and unnatural.

>>93408369
Greivous "showed up", but the main point is that it wasn't really Greivous. It was just a general early use of his design, sort of comparable to Boba Fet in the holiday special. Nobody accepts that as the real Boba Fett after all.

Genddy was allowed to use the character/design, so he did. It ended up being completely inaccurate to what Lucas was making, as well as not really fitting Star Wars at all. And thats fine, we all still enjoyed the cartoon when it aired because it was exciting. But you still have to accept that it isn't really Greivous beyond the general design and name.

>>93408434
>what lucas was making
Didn't he abruptly decide Grievous was something completely different after the show finished production?

>>93404339
Hey man, I'm the dude who gave the lapdance suggestion last thread.
Saw your progress in the archive.
And now this?

You're real talented man. Keep it up!

>>93408471
I highly doubt that considering Greivous appeared at the very end of the first season of the 2003 cartoon, so ROTS would have been well into production by then. In fact, I even remember BTS images of Hayden on set of the Invisible Hand released around that time

So unless Lucas re-wrote/re-designed Greivous and all his scenes and character interactions over the course of about a year.

I mean, it's possible, but following the BTS development I have seen, it just seems far more likely that Greivous was never intended to be as obnoxiously "badass" as the original cartoon portrayed him.

>>93408471
>which is more canon, the fanfiction cartoon based off of concept art or the movie involving the actor creators of that character?
Holy Ravioli Sonichu

>>93408587
>it just seems far more likely that Grievous was never intended to be as obnoxiously badass as the cartoon portrayed him

Everyone who was the focus of a scene in clone wars got about the same level of badass thrown in, because high octane action is just what Genndy does. Grievous got it dialed back to straight up pathetic way more than the others, though nobody is as intense as genndy wars.

>>93408680
>straight up pathetic
>manages to kill jedi and countless clones regularly despite being a cowardly moustache twirling villain
just because hes not an invincible 2cool4u deviantart oc doesn't make him pathetic

>>93408680
Yeah the entire show was over-the-top, thats why it got a pass, at least just in being mindless fun. I watched that shit all day erry day as a kid, between movie rewatches.

As an accurate representation of Star Wars or its characters though, it falls flat in comparison to the canon media. TCW dwarfing it, obviously.

>>93408725
Maybe if they fixed mustache twirling villain problem, that's my main issue with Greivous.

>>93408482
Hey pal! Thank you! It's coming together. I've got Thrawn down and Aphra's almost there. I kinda like it with the two of them, and not sure I can work Sabine into it right now. Though I definitely want to team those two up at some point.

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>>93408751
how is it possible for someone to hate fun so thoroughly

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>>93408680
Canon Greivous is actually still a pretty fearsome character.

He is just cowardly and doesn't play fair when he gets overwhelmed.

He does have some pretty hardcore spotlights though, he kills a lot of Mandalorians and Dathomirians, raped Depa Billaba, killed plenty of Clones, and some Jedi.

Just because he didn't kill 4 Jedi Masters at once, doesn't mean he is pathetic.