What is her appeal?

Must we have those threads every week? How long until xfags convince themselves jean is just a stupid character made for phoenix arcs and stupid love drama?

>>93395625
Well, there must be something about her you find engaging. Otherwise you wouldn't make these threads.

>>93395625
Firecrotch

>>93395666
Pretty much, and I'm getting tired of Marvel just rehashing the Phoenix ark over and over again. It's done to death

>>93395625
Originally Jean was an iconic feminist representation.
When other books like The Avengers or The Fantastic Four were relegating their token females to the status of small and unseen, Jean Grey was a beautiful woman who was valued for the power of her mind.
It was the novelty of it.
There wasn't anyone else like her.
Don't get me wrong, Golden-age WonderWoman was still the hyperfeminist ideal, but I'm pretty sure by the 1960s DC had her working as the JLA's secretary.
Jean was mouthing off to men and questioning orders and generally being the firey redhead archetype.
And she still fell for the nerdy guy on the team that comic readers identified with!
Then came the whole Phoenix saga and they added an element of dangerous and crazy to the sexy mix.
Who could resist that?

But I understand your confusion, by the time of THAT pic she had become the team's soccer mom.
The '90s sucked.

>>93396455
>Originally Jean was an iconic feminist representation.
Bullshit.

She was the useless member of the team and the only times where she was useful was when Professor X entered in her mind to use her powers for her.

Please, why are you lying?

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>>93395625
Pre-Claremont comic fans like her because she's waifubait I guess.
Post-Claremont comic fans like her because when Phoenix was pretending to be her she was sexy and dangerous
TAS kiddies like the flesh-colored tight and lewd screaming.
Movie kiddies like her because Famke is hot (although she looks too old to be Jean)
No idea why current comic (or movie) readers like her or O5 Jean.

>>93396717
someone has mommy issues

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>>93395625

>>93396890
I dunnoe about anyone else but I like O5 Jean because the original was never herself again after the Phoenix fucked her brain up and I feel like a whole new generation of readers are finally getting to meet the real her for the first time as a fresh character with all this unrealized potential.
Frankly, I felt cheated out of the original X-Men character by The Phoenix Saga and welcome finding out how Jean's going to develop.

>>93395625
She's dead. So it doesn't matter.

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>>93395625
Am i only one that notice that jean gray look exactly like mary jane?

>>93397132
Well she's being written terribly at this point so... Good luck with that. Her book isn't good and no one has found a good voice for her.

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>>93397210
Nope

>>93395625
Redhead.

>>93395625
>What is her appeal?

Redhead with TREMENDOUS tits

Just thinking about it makes me want to rub one out

>>93395625

That costume is really cool. No, seriously, that's a big part of her appeal.

>>93397220
What the fuck is wrong with your head?

Her character is the time-displaced girl who just joined the original X-Men six weeks before travelling to the modern day.

You are comparing her current portrayal to WHAT exactly???
The in-depth stories you have somewhere in your mind of all the character-driven adventures she had as a tween girl who had never heard of the X-Men???
Those don't exist.
There's nothing to stay faithful to beyond Stan Lee's original run, and even then you have to remember that she's spent more time as a superhero in this century than the last.
You can't compare her to the middle-aged burn-out Phoenix host Jean Grey as though THAT would be a sane portrayal of who she would be as a teenager.
And guess what: The original Jean Grey died between issue 100 and 101.
Up until then is the only example of 100% pure Jean Grey personality, and that's not very different from our O5 Jean at all.
So cut the crap about how she's not behaving like Jean Grey circa 1992, it's bullshit.

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>>93396455
>But I understand your confusion, by the time of THAT pic she had become the team's soccer mom.
>The '90s sucked.

You had it right up to there. The appeal of Jean in the 1990s was tied to her relationship with Cyclops, in how they were a happy, stable, loving couple, in contrast to all the drama of the other characters' lives. It's aspirational, it's what most people are supposed to want for themselves.

Most of Marvel's long-running teams used to have a couple like that, Reed and Sue, Scarlet Witch and Vision, Medusa and Black Bolt, but comics writers stopped understanding the appeal of them.

>>93398571
>but comics writers stopped understanding the appeal of them.

To be fair, "stable and happy" doesn't sell. Real-world marriages last an average of 2.5 years, so for a modern reader there isn't a lot of room to identify with a comics couple sticking together for decades. The nuclear family thing is ore or less dead, and most readers now come from very broken homes or just odd family structures. So it's really more in tune with the times to have characters in off-and-on relationships, either as fuckbuddies or as semi-estranged parents with a kid.

>>93398595

That's a bleak worldview, "everything sucks now, so our fiction should reflect that", and there's no evidence that any of those characters was a bigger sales-draw when they were single, or when they were with someone else.

Just because the real world has spent decades trying to kill romance and the family doesn't mean we should want our heroes to fail at it as well.

And just look at Spider-Man to see what happens when a character is only allowed to have meaningless short-term relationships that can't go anywhere, by editorial demand. People stop caring, stop being invested in the story.

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Best costume coming through.

>>93398926

>best
>it's just a bikini

Ugly and lazy design to appeal to horny neckbeards.

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>>93398972

Anon, it's OK to be gay. But not that gay.

>>93398595
This is a very funny way of saying, "Most contemporary comic book writers and editors have no idea what a Happy, successful relationship would look or sound like even if it bit them on the ass."

Worse, some writers and editors use characters as vehicles for themselves to live a fantasy life thinking they're Grant fucking Morrison and that it'll reflect in real life. Look at Quesada! He forced Peter Parker to split with Mary Jane for no other reason other than to reflect his own midlife crisis divorce.

>>93398571
>comics writers stopped understanding the appeal of them
You mean Joe Quesada didn't understand it. He was the editor-in-chief responsible for Spider-man selling his marriage to the devil, and killing off Jean and Janet. So that Spidey, Cyclops, and Pym could be single again.

>>93395625
Dead woman can't say 'no'.

>>93399232
you know you can just watch porn right?

it's not a good or iconic design, and the only "interesting" thing about it is how little there is of it

>>93395625
They made her evil and killed her off in a time when none of that shit ever happened. That was the only memorable thing she ever did and she has been boring up every funny book she has ever been in since they brought her back in Xfactor

>>93396455
>But I understand your confusion, by the time of THAT pic she had become the team's soccer mom.
>The '90s sucked.

That Jean was pretty much the best Jean, as >>93398571 bring up.

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>>93398571
>Medusa and Black Bolt
>nuMarvel cucks STILL trying to shill the Inhumans as some sort of classic Marvel mainstay

Jean was fine from her deubt up until the end of Dark Phoenix saga. The problems occured around that time and they have become an albatross around her neck ever since.

- Claremont wanted Jean to lose her powers and retire with Cyclops, taking them both out of the superhero game permanently.
- Jim Shooter said Jean had to die because she was a mass murderer and didn't deserve a happy end.
- Claremont was unhappy but accepted it. The "Jean Lives" version was later printed as a special release and was the basis of a What If?
- Claremont decides to bring Jean back anyway and introduces Madelyne Pryor, who is her exact copy and mysteriously appeared in a fiery plane crash at the moment Phoenix died on the moon.
- Claremont pursues original plan but now with Maddie. Maddie/Jean and Cyclops retire and have a kid. This is his planned end for both characters.
- Marvel editorial sees that X-Men and New Mutants are successful and want to expand the X-Men universe into a franchise.
- Claremont doesn't want to do another X-Book, so editorial decides to make one without his input. The pitched idea is "Let's bring the O5 X-men together as a team"
- Independently and without consulting Claremont, editorial assigns Bob Layton to do the project, called X-Factor.
- Editorial decides that in order for the team to be successful it needs to have the whole O5 cast in it, including Jean. They try to brainstorm up a solution to Jean being dead and/or the Phoenix, apparently totally unaware of Maddie or unwilling to use her. Kurt Busiek gets asked how he would do such a story if he were to do it, and he bullshits out an answer about Jean never really being Phoenix. He is not seriously expecting this to be used.
- John Byrne and Roger Stern write the actual story where the Avengers and FF find the "real" Jean in a coccoon as per Busiek's outline. The O5 are reunited and X-Factor launches.
- Claremont is vocally unhappy with everything about this and doesn't want to touch it.

>>93400307
- Since Cyclops has been forcibly un-retired and put on a team with Jean, the writers of X-factor (First Layton and then the Simonsons) have it cause strain with Cyke's marriage with Madelyn. Cyclops is portrayed as an obsessive man who cannot let go of Jean, even if he has a wife and child.
- Claremont slowly accepts this event because he's a team player and decides to resolve the situation.
- He finally adresses the issue in the Inferno crossover, where the X-Men find out Jean is alive and reunite with her, and Maddie is "revealed" (actually retconned) into being a clone of Jean made by Mister Sinister. Maddie dies, Cyclops gets together with Jean and they raise his kid together.
- Jean comes back to the X-men full-time after the Shadow King saga and becomes part of the X-Men 90s era.
- Cyclops' son gets sent into the future and is revealed to have become Cable, freeing Scott of the last shred of attachment to a settled life. He's now free to marry Jean, and they ironically immediately get kidnapped into the future to raise Cable.
- Jean putters around as Scott's wife for a while. She gets her Phoenix costume back and starts using that name again, she reunites with her time-lost daughter Rachel, she fights her reincarnated clone Maddie and X-Man from the AoA universe. She flirts with Wolverine again.
- After about 10 years of meandering, Grant Morrison kills her off, putting Scott together with Emma.

And that's where we are today, barring weird shit like Phoenix Warsong/Endsong and AU teen Jean.

>>93400342
I liked Maddie desu, but she shouldn't have happened.

>>93400392

The thing is, if she had been used for what she was "created" for, namely to be Jean-in-all-but-name and give Scott a permanent retirement and happy end as a family father, I have no problem with her. It's the fact that Marvel editorial torpedoed Claremont's attempts to make lasting character changes by pushing random reset buttons that totally made Maddie a superfluous and ultimately shitty character. What is she even about these days? She's resurrected again and just runs around doing RANDOM VILLAIN THINGS because EVIL.

She's a good cock cozy for Wolverine

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>>93400342
Louise Simonson salvaged the shitshow that was X-Factor. Claremont only ponied up and did anything involving X-Factor because Louise was his old editor and a good friend.

>>93396990

Stupid sexy phoenix costume

>>93401365

She's a classy lady.

>>93395720
>>93397481
>>93397520
This desu

>>93395625
Psychic pussy. Sex with her must be mind blowing when she can force an orgasm with the strength of a thousand suns exploding.

>>93398571
For some reason I can't even fully explain to myself, I always wanted to ship Scott with Wanda, of all people.

>>93400264
Well, they were more like New Gods in a way, as in, important but too weird to be truly "mainstream".

>>93395625
Because she's hot.

>>93400342
>>93400427
>Jean-in-all-but-name to give Scott a permanent retirement

That sounds like a very shitty concept on paper, so I'm not surprised Marvel scrapped it, even if they ultimately wanted to prolong Scott's life as a superhero longer than necessary.

>>93403200
Marvel should've just gone with "Maddie was an amnesiac Jean all along" when they decided to pull Scott and Jean out of retirement for X-Factor.

>>93403039
That happens in What If X-Men Wedding Album. Scott gets cucked by Warren in the O5 days, leaves the team, joins Magneto, and Wanda puts the moves on him.

>>93399232
The skin is nice but what the fuck do seashells have to do with Jean Grey?

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>>93403323
>not knowing about the time that Attuma tried to make Jean his woman

>>93404123

You mean make her his sex slave.

>>93404123
It's even more baffling because there is a picture of Attuma and Jean in the suit >>93398926 before the art of Jean in the suit.

>>93404168
There's really no difference between the two to Attuma.

>>93404123
>>93399232
>>93398926

Make a series about Jean pretending to be a sorceress in atlantis in that outfit and I'm sold

>>93403074

The point was that they were classic Lee/Kirby characters who had been together since the 1960s.

Marvel spending the past 4 years getting the much larger X-Men fanbase to hate the Inhumans, doesn't mean that nobody was angry about Black Bolt getting repeatedly cucked.

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Just finished pic related. It's about early X-Men adventures like the first battle against Magneto but from Jean's perspective. Not much action desu, some teen drama, X-Men doing stuff together. I really enjoyed it for what it was and I really enjoyed Jean. She was totally a waifu material in this, seemed like a real teen girl with real teen girl issues