Why is adult Lisa always shown as a success while adult Bart

>>93386444
It's not real and the show has more than one writer, try not to think too hard about it.

>>93386444
Because jokes ha ha

>>93386444
Bart is also lazy, destructive, mediocre, hates to learn, have problems with authority, and can't manage his money.

A male loser is funny but a female loser is misogynistic

>Why is adult Lisa always shown as a success while adult Bart is always shown as a failure

because you're stuck on outdated morality where you're as valuable as your job.

also Bart ends up on the Supreme Court

>>93386444
What I see there is a free man who stayed true to himself and can do what he wants, when he wants, sitting next to a corrupt politician who is shackled by her public image and gains money by actively exploiting the general populace.

>>93386444
failure according to what standards. If you can wake up every day and be happy with what you do, that's a success. Bart does not want to participate in a highly competitive environment. Lisa does.

Bart was a supreme court justice once

Bart smoke weed and ruines his life

>>93386566
>Equality

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>>93386444
What are you talking about, anon? We all know that Bart grows up to become a construction worker so that he can pay for law school and become a judge.

>>93386864
This. Pretty much every depiction of his future as a failure is from a zombie Simpsons season.

>>93386864
Not just any judge, Supreme Court Chief Justice.

>>93386444
In the Lisa goes to Yale future where she almost married Hugh, Bart worked for a successful demolition company and was paid to demolish buildings

That shit makes bank

>>93386598
True. He really working in destruction.

>>93386864
This x2

>>93386958

Yeah, but he is immediately stabbed in the neck outside a McDonalds and dies.

The supreme court justice thing loses a lot of its charm when Lisa is the President before that.

>>93386523
yeah lmao don't think don't discuss content just watch the pretty pictures lol someone post lisa's feet
no fuck you, you don't get to end the thread like that

Is it possible to put together a timeline of all the future events from the show? I feel like it was just barely doable before the episodes where Lisa marries Milhouse and Bart has two kids.

>>93388763
Nah, the future episodes now contradict one another. To be fair, though, most of them are set up as possible futures, so they're not really canon.

>>93387198
Not really. The requirements for becoming a justice are a lot steeper than those for being president. Bart would have had to go to law school, become a judge, level up to a federal judge, etc. That takes decades.

The only actual requirements for being president are that you're over 35 and born in the US.

Also, if we assume Lisa has been eight since her first appearance in 1987, she's 38 years old now, so she can legally be president after Trump, as ordained by prophecy.

>>93388849
I think the implication is that Lisa opens all those doors for him rather than him earning them himself.

>>93386444
Bart isn't stupid, but he doesn't really have marketable skills. He's good at pranks, vandalism, and generally fucking with people. Lisa is good at music, science, analysis and writing. Those aren't the most glamorous skills but they're a lot more likely to get you a job.

Anyway, there's no reason why we can't believe that Bart has a rough start in his 20's, but cleans up his act later in life and becomes chief justice of the supreme court.

>>93386864
>Bart becames a Supreme Court Chief Justice
>Maggie a famous rockstar
>Lisa a depressed housewife married to Milhouse

The only canon one

>>93388966
So are you saying Bart would make millions as a Youtuber?

>>93386444
t. school means nothing in the real world

>>93386864
>when the writers don't remember the shit they wrote but the fans do

>>93386444
Lisa ends up married to Milhouse.

How is that a success?

>>93388989
>Angry Springfield Nerd reviews Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge

>>93390736
Milhouse doesn't count, anon.

>>93390712
The writers who wrote that episode have long since retired and there isn't much canon or continuity in Simpsons, especially episodes predicting anything.

>>93388978
>>93390736
>tfw pretty much married your version of "Milhouse"
>it's actually alright

>>93386864
this picture warms my heart

>>93386444
I remember Bart becoming a Judge once.

>>93388966

I think you make a mistake at cataloging "marketable skills" at age 10 and 8. Unless your parents are insane or you get super interested as an anomaly nobody knows they'll be a lawyer at 10 years old.

But yeah, Bart probably graduated High School, bummed around for a couple of years at a State or Community College, got his act together after one of the million things college lifestyle forces you to(no money, academic probation, drug scare, take your pick), did well as a Junior and Senior, then law school to become a Lawyer.

I think if you're forced to think in terms of the future the actual competition to BE a judge isn't that great. Lionel Hurtz is an incompetent and known as such. The only other Lawyers around regularly are the ones Krusty and Burns keep on retainer and they both likely retired rich. Bart has a reasonably clear path against established lawyers and the current judges would have long since retired.

Bart could make Judge pretty easily with just a couple of decent cases to his name and probably do it at a reasonably young age even if he had to take an extra year or two in school. From there it's political.

>Why is adult Lisa always shown as a success while adult Bart is always shown as a failure?

Because Lisa is female and Bart is male.

>>93387198
Lisa being President has no charm since she would have to sell out to corporations and superPACs just to be Commander in Chief, then spent the next 4-8 fighting with Congress to get her bills pass.

Bart being Supreme Court Justice has more charm because he can be appointed for life. There's a reason why Ginsberg refuses to retire despite being Old as fuck, She's not giving up all that power.

>>93386444
The Simpsons gene

all the males grow up to be failures. but all the simpson women are unaffected.

>>93386444
>Why is adult Lisa always shown as a success while adult Bart is always shown as a failure?

Bart becomes Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in one episode though. It's actually kind of heartwarming.

>>93391915
Yes, I forgot what an incredible success Homer's mom was

>>93391915
That's just more bullshit that newfag writers shoved in because they are never allowed to make lisa a failure

>>93387157
I understood this reference.

>>93391615
There is an episode that explains male Simpsons to have a IQ drop with puberty

>>93391951
I didn't know Homer was the result of incest. Should have guessed it.

considering Bart fantasizes about one day being a drifter, I'd say all potential futures have looked ideal to him.

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>>93386444
>Why is adult Lisa always shown as a success
>success
i think you mean bitch.
Why is adult Lisa always a bitch

>>93387157
i see what you did there anon ;)

Because it's comedy, and the comedy of the show was that the Simpson men were usually not that bright (though they weren't always outright morons, just naïve of things and prone to act on impulse).

As interesting as it would have been if the show had actually developed the characters and aged them over time, it would have led to many different things, not many of them good (for a profitable work, I mean).

>>93391951
homer's mom isn't related to abe genetically.
so i don't' get your point.

>>93392184
Who's to say the drifter isn't just a stepping point before the judge though? Pretty sure when he imagined wandering around, he was younger than what he's shown to be when he takes up the gavel and gown. Could even be what drives him to finally get his shit together.

>>93392250
>took DNA
;)

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>>93392250
>i fucked ur dad lmao
This was not intended as a children's cartoon but sheeeit man

>>93392813
Didn't stop me from watching it before I even knew half the shit they were talking about. Though that line I did understand for the most part.

I kind of want to see a future where Lisa is depressed, mooching money off of Marge and Homer and her only option was to marry Milhouse while Bart is a big success doing something with explosions on movie sets and Maggie is some kind of Donald Trump tier political leader.

>>93386864
>stabbed in the neck three times and died instantly

>>93386444
He turns out relatively well in the Boyhood episode, where he ends up having his own successful body shop.

>>93386864
>>93386972

Yeah, I was gonna say. I liked the future where Bart was happy being paid to destroy things even if it wasn't all that luxurious a life, at least he was content.

>>93391506
I would also take this.

I mean, shit, I know if everybody's happy and all there's no humor or conflict, but how many fucking "Bart is misery" future episodes are there?

>>93393057
Not gonna happen. The writers love Lisa.

>>93386566
Lisa IS a female loser her childhood.

>>93390971

Hell, they flat out admit they change up the town geography as needed and try to spite people who try to figure out what state they're in.

>>93392047
Which doesn't make any sense because it was also shown that Homer's low intelligence is due to the crayon in his brain, plus other episodes have shown Bart to be intelligent and creative when he can be bothered to put the effort in.

>>93392250
Why did Marge say that to begin with?

We saw her not shooting Mr. Burns, so she wasn't a suspect.

>>93394447

Haven't seen the episode in forever. Did the cops/townsfolk see her in public away from the shooting?

>>93386566
honestly this
the writers of the Simpsons are probably left leaning so this isn't much of a stretch

The next future episode should have Bart take over Sneeds Feed and Seed

>>93394538

It's also science. Remember how Jackass creators said they pulled stuntwomen because audiences didn't laugh when women got hurt?

Humans are hard wired to be protective of women since they're the bottleneck in reproduction. Most people just get bothered if they see a girl fail horribly or suffer.

>>93386566
I don't see how anyone can argue this when the Simpsons literally had an episode that said that their bloodline has a stupid gene that only affects the male members of the family tree.

>>93394538
I think it's more a symptom of writing being a boys club so they're very awkward at writing women, especially with sitcoms being stuck on the 50s. The writers are a bunch of suburban middle aged men surrounded by other suburban middle aged men trying to not offend anyone who isn't a suburban middle aged men.

>>93394596

What about Cruella DeVil types or Ursula? There's satisfaction in watching them fail.

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>>93394506
Can't tell if anyone else saw her, but we the viewers see right away that she was away from the shooting.

>>93386444
>Bart might not be a good student, but it has been shown countless times that he is good at problem solving, thinking outside the box, knows how to make friends and network, and he has a strong entrepreneur personality that can innovate and make situations to his advantage
Those are completely useless if your grades are dogshit. Where have you heard of a successful businessman who failed out of college? No diploma no job so those skills are useless

>>93394658

Maybe their over the top evilness cancels out the bias/a limit on how much it can force you to care for a girls well being.

>>93388763
>>93388783
This guy took a crack at it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BkQptKkj4E

>>93391721
>There's a reason why Ginsberg refuses to retire despite being Old as fuck, She's not giving up all that power.
Actually, the reason is more that the current president is one that is decidedly the inverse of her views and she doesn't want to step down so that the already tilted court balance is turned into a conservative majority for whoever knows how long. Normally, a Supreme Court justice will do whatever they can to stay on the court until a president from their political party can replace them with a justice more in line with their views.

>>93394658
They're ugly so they don't count.

>>93394895

Sounds like the best way to defeat a female villain who uses their looks to get what they want is to get rid of their beauty. Of course, the more dangerous ones have more than just looks to back them up.

>>93394596

Then again, women are more vocal about hating fictional women who are obnoxious than men are. Anecdotal yes, but I know my older sister openly said she wanted to strangle Princess Merida from BRAVE.

>>93386444
Bart does think outside the box but only for prancing purposes. Plus, he's the son of homer so homer kinda rubs off on Bart

>>93394687
steve jobs

>>93394269
it's less that they love Lisa, and more that since Lisa's VA only does Lisa(she's the only main cast VA to do so), they have to wring as much mileage out of her as possible to justify her salary

Its a safe bet that Lisa crushed any sort of accomplishment Bart may have had given her own insecurity

>>93393938
Isn't the Boyhood one where the moral is "Lisa is Bart's inspiration"?

>>93386566
>crazy cat woman
>Patty and Selma

I'm not even a Simpsons autist

>>93386444
How are you enjoying your seven digit paycheck with those bad grades, anon?

>>93391615
I love how even twenty years ago this would be the opposite default reaction. Males still make up the majority of higher positions, including government, with some 30% of seats being filled be women in the USA. Any erosion, even if it is just in response to media instead of reality, of male power is seen as a horrid case of discrimination against men. This is the Simpsons, not reality.

>>93395711
Nice meme
He dropped out, and he dropped out of an Ivy League

>>93392269
She's just like a stern dad. Really, what's the difference?

>>93392671
As an older student, there's advantages and disadvantages. Professors tend to like you more, because you can show maturity while interacting with them on a personal level, but you also have the weight of past bad grades dragging down your gpa and you won't be as educated as students who took calculus and AP classes in high school. It's heart warming, but it's pretty unrealistic.

>>93393057
Why? Just because that's the exact opposite of zombie Simpsons? But Lisa seems pretty stressed and unhappy in a lot of the future episodes.

>>93386444
>knows how to make friends and network
not really, Milhouse is his only real friend
he's actually pretty socially awkward

>>93394316
No one is going to admit that when they're rooting for Bart so hard.

>>93396646

I have to imagine that Bart wouldn't drift for long. He may like a lack of responsibility but he's used to regular food, a bed, and normal living and doesn't have circumstances forcing him.

I can see him drifting for about six months post high school after barely passing, having a dose of reality once the winter sets in and he has no prospects, then heading to community college for a couple of years before going to someplace that's better, but not that great.

>>93395925
Is this shit serious?

>>93394781
Can confirm. Aunt was a Chicago judge and when prompted would go into all kinds of shit about judge life. If I learned anything, it's that judges are smart enough to work the system, understanding it inside and out, whether they're corrupt, biased, or well intended people trying to do what they believe is right. Also, it's apparently a boys club in that it is very difficult to reside over certain types of cases if you're a woman. It's amazing how difficult it is to learn about these types of things if you aren't friends with lawyers or judges.

>>93394895
>had a strange attraction to Cruella Deville as a child
>her voice
>her sharp jaw and chin
>her mannerisms

Being les is strange

>>93388927
If that's canon, fuck that shit. Bart is smart, he just rarely applies it. He should earn his position on his own.

>>93386444
Just consider it as an extended timeline. Eventually Bart gets his act together and becomes Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

>>93386598
We never really saw anything to make us believe that Lisa was corrupt.

>>93386864
The only timeline that matters.

>>93394566
Bart's Fart and Shart?

>tfw I was on track to be like Lisa as a kid
>tfw I ended up like Bart

>>93396970
lisa "i just take what i need and that's why i have a a mac while my family struggles with money" simpson

>>93396898
Top tier taste, anoness

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>>93390712
The fans remember because they're vindictive and don't like Lisa. Bart's been unsuccessful in literally every other 'future' episode but they prefer to take the one the one that's was only used as an off-joke and never referenced again because they like him more than Lisa.

>>93386444
in canon bart becomes judge of the supreme court

>>93398092
>they prefer to take the one the one that's was only used as an off-joke
Anyone with even half a fucking brain can see that the Judge Bart episode was more than just an "off-joke". Because, you know, it was the whole point of the fucking episode.

>>93386444
the attributes you listed do not matter in the real world, as in, they only care about your grades/achievements, which of course barts lack due to no proper education.
On the other hand you don't need to have a welcoming personality yourself if you can just hire people to write speeches for you

Despite what you guys may think, academic success absolutely correlates with life success despite autism. Coupled with the fact that throughout her life she's encouraged nonstop from family and educators while Bart gets no attention.

It's also rare for people who did poorly in school to find success. Obedience is a huge factor in how successful someone might be. Lisa probably goes through high school and college involved with every student organization and grows to be a healthy, sociable individual.

Why is Bart bullied like everyone else? You'd think bullies would respect the dude who fucks with the principal.

>>93391915
Why was Uncle Herb so smart? Also another episode showed Homer is stupid do to brain damage. When the crayon was removed he became pretty smart.

>>93398800
It could have skipped Homer and Herb's generation

>>93398721
Bart is sometimes on good terms with him. Heck, at this point him and Nelson are friends.

>>93398820
Something like that doesn't usually skip a generation. It would probably have to be a gene on the Y cromosome.

Not meming, but I always felt that cartoons for some reason present males in the family as stupid slobs, like they are shit tier people who only got lucky with their wives like Homer and the father from Family guy.

>Lisa is always shown as successful
She ends up married to Milhouse.

>>93398879
Originally, The Simpsons exaggerated the typical sitcom model. Initially Homer was dumber than the other TV dads but still well meaning and a believable person. The writers quickly realized that making him dumber is funnier so they exaggerated him further (but not flanderized, that happened later).

Pretty much every animated sitcom since then has been following in their footsteps, deliberately or not. Family Guy's the most obvious example, but it seems like every throwaway cartoon uses this formate, yet I can't seem to name any.

>>93386566

It's a shame though as some of my favourite female characters are losers or dumb as shit like Toot from DT, Patty and Selma, and Francine from American dad

>>93398993
>but it seems like every throwaway cartoon uses this formate, yet I can't seem to name any.
Clarence, Steven universe (don't watch it, but the dad in there seems to be a slob too), The amazing world of gumball, My godparents are fairies. All feature retarded fathers and males.

>>93399083
Greg Universe is the best dad.

>>93399147
>He can be a bit immature at times, fooling around with watermelons in "Watermelon Steven", and is "kind of a mess" as described by Amethyst. He has been known to make poor choices, such as dropping out of college or faking an injury to spend time with Steven, but he always takes full responsibility for it afterward and will do whatever he can to make it up.
Wow look at that just as I said, dumb slob that means well.

>>93399083
It's a tough mold to break since so many writers forget that there's a mold. I guess that's what inside the box thinking looks like.

>>93398898
Can anyone confirm the retardation of putting Milhouse and Lisa together? I get the concept (Loser kid trying to get with peefect girl is funny for some).

The two instences I remember this is from that grease episode when Mihouse tries to hit on her as she's looking for stationary stuff for the first day of school and the episode where she was into Nelson.

I seriously wished they didn't push that shit,

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>>93390712
simpsons did it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfy-DSuc_Kk

>>93391615
>be the lisa simpson of my family
>make 90k in poor area
>hate my job and just want to get a van and travel

I want off this ride

>>93399355
lmao just do that then fag.

>>93391721

First part is wrong second is rightish

>>93386864
This. Matt Groening himself has said that this is the only canon future, every other future is either a speed bump on Barts road to success or non canon.

>>93398879
It's a parody of old sitcoms where the dad is a perfect flawless paragon of logic and reason.
A parody so ubiquitous that it's just become the new norm.

>>93399448
I have a moral obligation to make as much money as possible, for that time when I or someone in my family will need it

>he has a strong entrepreneur personality that can innovate and make situations to his advantage
lmao americuck pls

>>93386566
ding, dubs of truth

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>>93394447
So you're saying because the AUDIENCE sees her, she should know she's in the clear with the police?

>>93391506
Hell, if Springfield is one of those jurisdictions where the local judges are elected, it's possible that Bart used his natural charisma to rise to the bench just after passing the bar.

>>93395865
we've seen it before, like when bart played the drums.

>>93399777
Make that trips of truth