>Elric is the Berserk of /co/ Well is it?

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>>93385920

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>>93386127

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>>93385920
Not enough lolicon to be our Berserk.

>This is what Berserk has been for years now.

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>>93386326
So what you're saying is, it's better than Berserk then?
I always knew we had the best taste...or does this belong in /tg/?

I thought our Berserk was Conan

>>93386435
Conan isn't the berserk of anything.
Elric may be on par in terms of quality, but Conan is motherfucking CONAN.

>>93386462
Slight correction. Elric IS on par with Conan but Conan is fucking Conan.

>>93385920
Elric is /lit/

>>93386479
So is Song of Ice and Fire but GoT made it a /tv/ thing as well.

>>93386326
I actually appreciate just how it keeps getting brighter and softer.

>>93386531
/lit/ is too autistic for ASOIAF

>>93386326
What happened to this series?

Was it really Idolmaster?

>>93385920
That's not Ardent du Walburge.

You don't wanna get Ardent du Walburge mad, he'll destroy your kingdom within days.

>>93386614

>he'll destroy your kingdom within days.
Too fucking late for that. Elric destroyed his own empire in a single raid.

>>93385920
what's with all the Elric threads lately?

Elric is griffith with a guilt complex
Guts is more like Corum

>>93386707
So who's Hawkmoon?

>>93386435
conan isnt grimdark enough. Guts is a lot like Conan but the world is more michael moorecock than robert e howard

Are there any collected volumes or publishers to read Elric stuff from?

>>93386807
Books or comics?

>>93386820
Comics

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>>93386833
Titan Comics are collecting them all again but they got still a few more volumes to go till it's done. Three more i believe(Vanishing Tower- Bane and Stormbringer) and there's a bunch of uncollected stuff that i'm not sure they have the rights to.

>>93386881
Thanks anon

>>93386940
No prob. Check out the new series as well.

Have some music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO7RcCtsuyg

>>93386833
What ever you do, avoid boom studios elric. Titans collection of the marvel run and the bd's are great

>>93386326
is it dadsek or everyone pretends the kids are not there

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>>93387062
Balance Lost is a big fat okay.

I like that it introduces concepts from Blood, Fabulous Harbors and War Amongst the Angels but it also shits the bed on so many other areas.


Mind you. I will say that i did appreciate the look of Spammer Gain and big tittied Billy Bob.

>>93386990
I like the songs michael moorecock wrote for BOC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krC6SY5b1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krC6SY5b1A

I've been wanting to get into Elric. Is it better to read his stories in order of publication date or chronologically?

>>93387178
Core saga goes chronologically. Rest can be done out of order.

>>93386753
That comic somebody posted made him look like a half-baked Jojo character.

>>93386990
cheese / 10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edPckSU41g4

>>93387218
Here's a pretty obscure one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeCdoNQE9qc

Kinda spoiler alert but it's a pretty good piece regardless.

The horn blows thrice..

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>>93387194
MAKE WAY
I HAVE TO TAKE A GIANT SHIT

Samurai Jack is /co/'s Berserk

>>93385920
>>93386350

Berserk is the Berserk of /co/ just like Conan is the Conan of /a/
it one of the few cases that is so good it gets to move from board to board.
But hey, Elric, Guts and Conan together would be epic

>>93387544
are there ever conan threads on /a/?

>>93387544
I don't think they'd like each other honestly

>>93387540
But samurai jack is /co/'s gurren lagann

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>>93387637
Elric and Conan canonically do not get along.

>>93387544
>Elric, Guts and Conan together would be epic

So who buys the first round?

>>93387637
>I don't think they'd like each other honestly
>implying my deepest wish isn't to see a battle royale with the three
I.. i am sure they would get along just fine...

>>93387637
conan and guts would probably be best buds but they both have their own paths. Conan just wants to fight and steal shit and guts has his responsibilities and his revenge so I dont think they'd see each other much. I dont think they'd like elric. elric is a pompous civilized sorcerer so conan would hate him, and elric is practically griffith so guts would probably hate him.

>>93387544
>>93387708
Who gets drunk first and who wins?

>>93387604
no, they are too much of... a delicate taste people to have Conan threads, but if they wanted they could and stuff, cause Conan

>>93387724
>and elric is practically griffith so guts would probably hate him.
Slight correction on that.

Elric is a self loathing Griffith and not a complete prick.

>>93386326
>>93386542
He said Guts deserves a good ending because of all the suffering he's endured.

He's mellowed out since when he firsted started the manga.

>>93387747
Or rather it's the other way around since Elric is probably an inspiration for Griffith's design. I swear to Christ, Japan will not stop dickriding that albino brooding asshole.

>>93387747
you correction is wise and precise
fuck Griffith and his gay magical kingdom

>>93387728
You mean delicate bitches.

>>93385920
Micheal Moorecock is the most over-rated author I've ever read.

OK I'm a fan of Alan Moore, Dave Sim, Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman, Bryan Talbot, ect. Most of these guys point to the Elric and Jerry Cornilius as inspirations and say that he's this amazing author who inspired them, and is therefore the genesis of modern mature comics in the same way The Rolling Stones where the precursors to Punk Music.

I've read his stuff and all I get out of it is, "It's a bit more ironic than the genre it's attempting to "parody" (not quite the right word, but you get my drift).

>>93387544
>Conan is the Conan of /a/
No, Conan is the Sherlock Holmes of /a/.

>>93387764
is elric big in japan? Also it's probably a happy coincidence berserks universe is just like moorecocks universe

>>93387754
to be honest, Berserker went thru some deep, dark shit, it would have to get a lil light sometime, or the author would end killing himself or something.

>>93387724
Depends which version of Guts. Just post eclipse Guts is a colossal ass and incapable of joy. He'd be a prick to Conan and probably end up in a brawl.

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>>93387804
yes.
I like this thread and the people here

>>93387809
I see what you did there
now you must face the consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzioWPfw280

>>93387824
Let's put it like this.
Beyond the fact that Yoshitaka Amano drew the covers to many of Moorcock's books for the Japanese releases but Daicon IV, the famous short animation film made by the same people that made Gainax afterwards?
The most featured element in that film besides the heroine is Stormbringer itself.

Think of that for a beat.
It wasn't Gundam, other anime or even more famous characters from comics and Star Wars they decided to spend all that time animating.

They chose Stormbringer out of all things they could have picked. And even reference the novel of the same name by having it split into clones of itself.

Think about it. Moorcock is definitely known in Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-840keiiFDE

>>93387844
golden age guts and conan would be inseparable, black swordsman guts and conan would probably fight all the time but I feel like conan would see through his assholish behavior and still respect him, conviction an beyond would respect each other but rarely cross paths unless conans pirate ship caught them or something

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>>93387922
So where does Elric fit in?

>>93387806
Sword and Sorcery doesn't take itself seriously, Moorcock's work tread mainly on that genre

>>93387824

80s Fantasy is extremely big in Japan, and so is Wizardry, D&D and that includes moorcock

Why do you think there's so many western fantasy races on anime and manga?

>>93388016
>Sword and Sorcery doesn't take itself seriously, Moorcock's work tread mainly on that genre
I liked him when he went full on bizarre sci fi with Dancers at the End of Time.

Is that even Sci Fi? Or just fantasy?

>>93387806
>Jerry Cornilius
Jerry Fucking Cornelius.

Now there's a series i will never "get".

How much acid was dropped to even write that shit?

>>93388049
There was a time when there was no difference between sci fi a fantasy. I imagine it harkens back to that age

>>93387918
man I'll never tire of watching this

>>93388109
They did have top taste when it came to music.

>>93388049
past a certain point the only difference between them is the terms the narrative uses. By example there's no real difference between "magitech" settings and archetypical space operas.

My rule of thumb:

if it talks about aliens, technology, the sciences, space and time exploration, and subtle and not-so-subtle politics and cultural criticisms etc, it's sci fi.

if it talks about mythical races, magic powers, and concepts such as destiny, fate and things that follow the general concept of chosen ones, it's fantasy.

>>93388107
By the time Moorcock came around there was a clear distinction between fantasy and space operas. Asimov came around and Star Trek had already codified Sci Fi as we know it today

>>93387922
>>93387972
Elric>Buy guys. Why do i have to carry the supplies again? I'm an albino!
Conan>Be silent, chalkskin. It was because of your damned sorcery that we got kicked out of that tavern!
Guts>So tell me, how did you manage to flood the whole place again? My arm's about to rust because of that stunt.
Elric>I just wanted to summon a water sprite to impress the tavern girl. I apologize for the lumbering brute sitting next to us attack it and sending it into a frenzy. Next time i'll make sure the local drunks are only half as dumb
Guts>Whatever. Just be sure to keep that sword of yours sheathed. I heard it whispering last night and i don't take bullshit like that kindly
Conan>That blade of night brings nothing but dread
Elric>I got it under control
Stormbringer>No you don't, my love

>>93388300
So what the fuck happens when your two rules are both present? See also, Blood.

>>93388375
You enter the glorious realm of sci-fantasy

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Enough with the fucking Elric spam. Faust is the most berserk like comic

>>93388479
Well post it then.

>>93388490
This is a blue board the mods would delete it

>>93386462
Lone Wolf And Cub=Conan?

>>93388375
I guess it becomes it's own thing?

After all, the only difference between both is how you present them to the reader. Fantasy and Sci Fi are as much what the writer does and what the fandom thinks they are, If you are trying to fit both, you create something new entirely - a new way to present them

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>>93388341
Only issue I see here is that Elric would insist on riding, dude is almost never without a horse, landship or magical conveyance of some sort between adventures (in keeping with his 'dissolute noble' theme.)

Guts almost never can keep a horse alive, meanwhile it really depends with Conan, but his tendency to wander trackless wastes and his abilities as a tracker/thief means he operates best on foot.

>>93388624
>in keeping with his 'dissolute noble' theme.

I read a pretty interesting bit the other day regarding Zenith and Elric.

>>93385920
Why do you make an elric thread every day?

>>93388797
>>93388624

Here we go
What is most interesting to me, is that Zenith was of Eastern European nobility. The loss, sadness—and it may seem a contradiction when considering the threat he presented, but the helplessness—so predominantly a part of him, stemmed from the Great War, when his native part of the world was reshaped, royal houses fell, and nobles were reduced to the status of common men.

Skene, however, was an English writer, so what we’re really referencing here is the fall of English nobility, the members of which, through enforced wartime exposure to “common people,” lost their mystique. The gentry had been haplessly thrust into a world they didn’t fully comprehend, and Zenith occupied that same liminal territory between the old and the new, neither of the past nor of the present, and for sure not of the future.

Michael Moorcock tapped the same vein superbly with his Elric stories. Inspired by Zenith, he gave his own albino exactly the same disconnectedness. Elric doesn’t just witness the fall of the past to which he belonged, he is instrumental in its destruction, and the loss would be intolerable were it not for his own version of opium: Stormbringer, the soul-sucking sword that could kill him at any moment.

The feeling of alienation is near heartbreaking in both cases. In the Elric tales, the fantasy setting maybe soothes the existential angst a little (unless you're a teenager, in which case, OUCH!), but with Zenith, the author was writing in exactly the period of history that saw this estrangement visibly represented throughout the land. Every city, every town, every village had its men who'd once "been something" now reduced to cripples or shellshocked wrecks. Wherever the "upper class" had been present, there were now nobles exposed as vulnerable, as delicate, and as breakable as the "ordinary" man.

>>93388844
Because i'm tired when i get home from work and i want to unwind and spend some time sharing and talking about things i enjoy. I've always liked Elric so why not do that.
But i gotta storytime Corum and Hawkmoon though. Or do Weird of the White Wolf or Vanishing Tower.

>>93388095
It's a shame, because I love the stuff that it inspired.

>Bryan Talbot's The Adventures of Luther Arkwright.
>Matt Fraction's Casanova
>Grant Morrison's Sebastian O and Gideon Stargrave(King Mob) of The Invisibles
>Cornilius himself appearing in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Vol. 3: Century

But when I went back to the source, it just feels like sixties emo version of The Prisoner.

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>robert e howard killed himself before he could write more bran mak morn
>there's never going to be any adaptions of bran mak morn because there's next to nothing to adapt
fug

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Elric is poor mans Witcher

>>93385920
Elric always struck me as just a bit too emo. Not really the thing I read for high adventure.

>>93386435
Conan is like the anti-Guts in a lot of way. Conan went through terrible shit, but he keeps a sense of humor and a subtle nobility. As much as people like bringing up how "NEUTRAL" Conan is, he'll always do the right thing when it comes down to it.

Oh, and he's smart as fuck. His first story had him writing and singing a poem about how much he hates politics.

>>93387380
Jesus christ, he's a Stand.

>>93389242
>Not really the thing I read for high adventure.
Ya should. Fortress of the Pearl and The Sleeping Sorceress are great adventures.

Not to mention the crushing finality that is Stormbringer.

>>93388016
>>93387806
The problem I have with Elric is that it takes what I like about Sword and Sorcery and makes it miserable.

You don't have fun reading Elric.

it's a cheap rip off of the classic Witcher books.
I'm glad they made it to the west so we know these comics are basically plagiarism now

>>93389263
Eh, I'm not really into the whole "EVERYONE IS BAD EVIL WINS" shit, which is Elric to the hilt.

>>93389153
All of them are a poor mans Conan.

>>93389153
>>93389343
Your bait is weak and so are (You) but at least it gave me a chuckle.
Geralt is nowhere near Elric's levels of self-inflicted suffering.
Also Yen a shit, Stormbringer a best.

>>93389242
conan is pretty fucking well educated. I like in conan the cimmerian when he's in akivasha's tomb and shocks the shit out of her when he immediately reads her ancient language and knows she's a vampire

>>93389359
berserk is the strugglers conan

>>93389346
>"EVERYONE IS BAD EVIL WINS" shit, which is Elric to the hilt.
Well it isn't really. Elric is more
"Life is shit, make the best of it". Even in the end, he still wins. Just not in the way he wants.

But if it ain't your cup of tea, i totally get why that would be the case. Hawkmoon might be more your thing. He even gets a living wife and kids by the end of his story.

>>93389397
I hate the movies for giving the public perception that Conan is just a big stronk dood.
Think the Marvel adaptations got him more right.

>>93385920

The Metabarons is the Berserk of /co/.

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>>93389377
>Also Yen a shit, Stormbringer a best.
Patrician taste here

>>93389436
Does he? I recall spoiling myself and hearing that he ultimately destroys his own empire and causes the end of his world. Stormbringer then goes on to corrupt the next world.

Never heard of Hawkmoon. Sounds interesting.

>>93389491
They also forgot that Conan is legit a funny ass guy. And that he wore armour usually. And that he's apparently really fucking hairy.

>>93389514
to be fair he starts off half his stories losing his armor and I dont think he had armor at in in a couple. I love how funny conan is. Reading conan always puts a giant smile on my face

>>93386707
If Elric is like Griffith, then he deserves everything that has happened to him.

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>>93389514
>I recall spoiling myself and hearing that he ultimately destroys his own empire and causes the end of his world. Stormbringer then goes on to corrupt the next world.
He does but you gotta understand the context behind those actions.
He destroyed his own empire out of what he perceived was a mercy killing due to their own decadent ways being beyond repair.
He was destined to end his own world but it was doomed from the start when the cosmic gods decided to make it a battleground. He managed to do the world a favor by riding the next world of the influence the gods of Law and Chaos could have over it. And Stormbringer just kills him because it's a fucking dick.


Now i want to post two pics for you to understand what that position in the end ended up becoming.
>>93389587
Yes and no. He makes stupid choices. Not malicious ones.
Griffith did what he did out of selfishness. Elric genuinely wanted to be a better person.

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>>93389582
Conan is a lot like Prince Valiant in that his stories often end up being a series of "oh fuck the absolute madman".

>>93389626
But doesn't Stormbringer ascending to the new world mean it is still bound by the laws of chaos? Won't it end up being even worse?

>>93389582
I can never find a good omnibus of good Conan stories.

Anyone got a reccomendation? Prefer Hardcovers.
>>93389514
>Never heard of Hawkmoon. Sounds interesting.
You'll love Hawkmoon.
Quick synopsis.
Hawkmoon is captured by the evil forces of Granbretan who implant by means of arcane technology (devised by a caste of 'sorcerer-scientists') a sinister black jewel in his skull. He is sent to Kamarg (a future version of the southern French region of Camargue) to perform reconnaissance prior to invasion. The black jewel transmits (and may record) all that Hawkmoon sees to Granbretan's capital, Londra. Temporarily freed from the curse of the jewel by Kamarg's Protector, a grizzled warlord called Count Brass, he falls in love with the Count's daughter, Yisselda, and embarks on a quest to find and implement the will of the Runestaff, a magical item which preserves the Cosmic Balance. During his adventures, he has to collect two more magical items; the Red Amulet held by a mad god somewhere in future Ukraine; and the Sword of the Dawn. Winning many battles in which he is hopelessly outnumbered, but helped by loyal companions, by mysterious allies who arrive in the nick of time, and by dissension, scheming and treachery in the ranks of his foes.

>>93389652
>But doesn't Stormbringer ascending to the new world mean it is still bound by the laws of chaos? Won't it end up being even worse?
Something else happens in Quest for Tanelorn.

I won't spoil it unless you want me to but let's just say the sword is still involved in the multiverse. Or rather, the spirit inhabiting the sword

>>93389678
Not an omnibus, but this place has a lot.

http://getcomics.info/

>>93389652
>>93389703
Also. Laws of Chaos?

This ain't Warhammer. Chaotic entities barely have any restrictions on them beyond the major ones enforced by the balance.

>>93389703
Shoot, man. I don't mind spoilers. All about the journey to me.


>>93389678
https://www.amazon.ca/Complete-Chronicles-Conan-Robert-Howard/dp/0575077662

>>93389729
I don't think chaos as in Warhammer. I think Chaos more like SMT, where it's rather darwinian.

>>93389636
>>93389626
God, I need to finish the books ASAP

This year alone Elric has fast approached LotR and Star Wars levels of respect from me

>>93389652
I really need to start reading prince valiant. I've read a couple issues and loved the hell out of it

>>93389626
>Griffith did what he did out of selfishness. Elric genuinely wanted to be a better person.
Griffith did what he did because muh dream.
In his mind, if he gave up all the sacrifices up to that point would be in vain. He basically made an all or nothing gambit. He's not a good person, but selfish is not the right word for his motivations.

>>93389678
for the original stories get the complete chronicals of conan. I got it for $20 about a year ago. For the comics I only know of the colossal conan which you wont find online for less than $500 the the archive editions which are glue bound 7inch books.

>>93389766
>Shoot, man. I don't mind spoilers. All about the journey to me.
Okay. Strap in.

You need to understand that Elric is only one part of a Cosmic archetype called The Eternal Champion. It's an entity that exists to create stability in the multiverse and prevent everything from collapsing into the void.
Sometimes it fights for Law, sometimes for Chaos and sometimes for the Balance exclusively.
Law and Chaos aren't good and evil. They're ideologies and cosmic forces whose gods range from benevolent, to insane nutjobs.

Stormbringer, is an aspect of a similar entity to The Eternal Champion called The Black Sword bound to almost incarnation of the Champion.

And now. Copy fucking paste

>>93389931
The Multiverse

The Multiverse consists of what is colloquially called "The Million Spheres". Each sphere or plane is a complete dimension in which both men and gods exist.

Interplanar travel is possible. Some races, such as the Vhadagh or Nhadragh can naturally see into and travel between the planes (or at least their "Fifteen Planes"). In some cases, artifacts are necessary to travel the dimensions. The Runestaff, for instance, allows the wielder to travel to any dimension known (cf. "The Vanishing Tower").

Every eternity, an event occurs which is called "The Conjunction of the Million Spheres". This is a time of paradox, when interplanar travel is easier than ever before or after. Old laws are broken and new ones are forged. The nature of space and time are changed. Another Cycle of Events begins. After another eternity, another Conjunction takes place, and so on.

It is in the Cycle previous to the current one that the events of Moorcock's writings take place and that this discourse is concerned with.
The Four Artifacts

After the beginning of the Cycle, smiths alien to the Multiverse created four artifacts. Despite being not of this Multiverse, they served the Lords of Law and humanity. With the first artifact, they sought to fight Chaos with Chaos, much as a fire is fought by creating a back fire. The first artifact is the Two Swords (which on Elric's world were called Mournblade and Stormbringer). But in order to give them the power they needed, the Swords had to be inhabited by a spirit. They struck a bargain with a creature whom we will call the Spirit of the Sword. His power was split between the Two Swords. But one of them was broken, and so he inhabited the remaining one.

>>93389950
he smiths realized the flaw in their belief of using Chaos to fight Chaos. So, they created the Second Artifact, the Runestaff, an instrument of Law. Again, they bargained with a creature, whom they thought was the brother of the Spirit of the Sword. This creature is known as Jehemiah Cohnalias, son of Orland Fank.

Sadly, the smiths did not realize that Jehemiah and the Spirit of the Sword were not brothers, but different aspects of the same being. With the power of the Swords and the Runestaff, this being could wield absolute power over the entire Multiverse (with one exception).

In order to trap the being, the smiths created the Third Artifact, the Black Jewel (which manifested itself in the world of Hawkmoon as the Jewel implanted in Hawkmoon's skull). However, although it could imprison the being's soul, it could not do this for eternity.

Therefore, the smiths created the Fourth Artifact, the most powerful of them all, the Cosmic Balance. A symbol of the necessary Equilibrium between Law and Chaos, it gave power to the Runestaff to produce Order. It could resist the power of the Spirit of the Sword, and therefore became its sworn enemy.
The Effects of the Four Artifacts

Their task completed, the smiths returned to their place of origin. The Four Artifacts worked their power on the entire Multiverse. The Eternal Champion served the Cosmic Balance to preserve Order and Equilibrium. Though numberless, he and his Companion were doomed to constant struggle. They include: Prince Elric of Melnibone and Moonglum of Elwher; Prince Corum Jhaelen Irsei and Jhary-a-Conel; Duke Dorian Hawkmoon von Köln and Oladahn of the Bulgar Mountains; John Daker, alias Erekosë; Earl Aubec of Malador; Urlik Skarsol.

>>93389960
Sometimes the Incarnation of the Champion carried one of the Artifacts: Elric carried Stormbringer, the Black Sword; Hawkmoon bore first the Black Jewel, then the Runestaff. But ever the Cosmic Balance controlled the other three Artifacts, using them to fit its own purpose.

>>93389973
The Conjunction of the Million Spheres

At long last, another Conjunction was about to take place. The Spirit of the Sword, seeking a way to break the Cosmic Balance and escape its eternal prison, took hostages that would persuade two Incarnations of the Champion, Hawkmoon and Erekosë.

In Tanelorn, all met. The Spirit of the Sword needed two things: to have in its possession the Black Jewel so that it could reunite itself with its counterpart in the Runestaff; and then to possess the Incarnation of the Champion who would be willing to wield the Sword for it. For the Spirit could not abide in both the Jewel and the Sword simultaneously, not if it wished to remain whole. And it had to be whole to have enough power to destroy the Balance.

In exchange for the hostages precious to him, his wife Yisselda, and his children Manfred and Yarmila, Hawkmoon surrendered the Jewel. For ironically, the Spirit could only use the Jewel for its purpose if it were surrendered to it willingly.

The Spirit then reunited itself with its counterpart in the Runestaff. Now that it had the Jewel, it sought the Sword. In that form, it could destroy the Balance. But, should it manage to do so, as it had long desired to, it itself would be destroyed unless it had a refuge -- the Jewel. Moreover, while inhabiting the Sword, a manifestation of the Eternal Champion would have to wield the Sword. And thus the second hostage.

Erekosë volunteered to take the Sword in return for the hostage, Ermizhad, his love. The Spirit then inhabited the Sword, leaving the Jewel behind. Controlling Erekosë, the Spirit destroyed the Balance.

The Spirit then inhabited the Jewel. Until Hawkmoon destroyed the Jewel with the Runestaff. Bereft of a refuge in which to survive until the next Cycle, the Spirit of the Sword, Fear, Satan, was rendered powerless. The next Cycle would have no gods.

>>93389982
Tanelorn

Tanelorn alone is present in every plane in the Million Spheres. It is a concept, a city, a refuge. Tanelorn has the power to resist even the power of the Spirit of the Sword. It is a place where men do not need gods. They rely on themselves.

Tanelorn was created by Man. It has always existed, and always shall.


And this is old info. I ain't even touching the shit going on in War Amongst the Angels where so much other shit is involved

>>93389858
He never cared about anyone other than himself.

He later thinks of Guts as the only person who could have distracted him from his desires.

Of course he's selfish. Everything he did, he did to advance his own goals. Even saving Casca was just another step for him to get his own kingdom. He didn't even give a shit about his own body as long as it got him what he wanted.

He never did anything out of altruism. He was always a self centered prick.
Griffith deserved his suffering in the tower. Every moment of it.

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>>93389881
>I got it for $20 about a year ago. For the comics I only know of the colossal conan which you wont find online for less than $500 the the archive editions which are glue bound 7inch books.

>>93389766
>https://www.amazon.ca/Complete-Chronicles-Conan-Robert-Howard/dp/0575077662
Thank you anon-kun. Been wondering which edition would also look nice to get.

>>93389997
>>93389982
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>>93389950

Just want to point out that several revisions were made regarding certain plot elements in this story in later books so take it with MASSIVE grains of salt.

>>93387146
shit meant to link this. it's also about elric
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKNaIXtBZQ

>>93390269
More like Erekose but still fits. And post the live version damn it.
Best guitar solo ever made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pFdkkjGiEs

Buck Dharma is a GOD.

>>93390266
Doesn't this mean that anything set in the Elric universe like Hawkmoon automatically has a bad end because of Elric destroying the world?

And does this mean that the cycle is now broken?

>>93390293
pretty sure moorecock wrote it about elric

>>93390342
>Doesn't this mean that anything set in the Elric universe like Hawkmoon automatically has a bad end because of Elric destroying the world?
Nope/ Because it's not a universe. It's a multiverse.

>>93390352
Eternal Champion really.

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>>93389153
That's not even a competition

>>93390342
>And does this mean that the cycle is now broken?
Nah, there will be another cycle. The struggle never truly ends but takes different forms. You just gotta do good in your life.

>>93390357
Huh, but doesn't that mean that people who interact directly with Elric are doomed? Or do they live on an alternate universe?

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>>93390459
Elric's universe dies in order for a new one to be made. And yes. Almost everyone he interacts with ends up becoming Stormbringer chow or chaos meat.
But certain friends of his have alternate lives. The soul of his love is the Eternal consort and goes on through the multiverse in various forms.
Moonglum comes back directly to help him out face the spirit of the Eternal Champion and set it free.

Shit's weird yo.

>>93389126
Redpill me on Brak Mak Morn

>>93390106
He cared about Guts in his own crazy way. His entire breakdown was jump-started by him being incapable of dealing with actually caring about someone to such a degree. He's a megalomaniac that has to control everyone and everything in his life, and losing control of his emotions sent him into a rapid downwards spiral.

Also Miura spent that whole life review chapter showing us he does in fact think about all the bodies he's stepped over to get where he is, and by his logic, not achieving the goal he got them to die over made would make it all pointless. That and his confused hatred/affection for guts were the strongest motivators for him accepting the bargain. What he actually wants to do with this kingdom shit is unclear; he claims altruistic aims but his methods have been rather devoid of that. Probably that was just more of that ends justify the means logic his life seems to run on. Then there was that vision of the quiet life with Casca, which may indicate he feels SOMETHING for her, or at least feels like he should.

He cares for his companions on some level, but he also cares for power/muh dream much, much more. He is a bad person and deserves whatever horrible end comes to him, but he was not a complete monster before literally becoming a complete monster. Even if he was totally heartless before the eclipse and was just pretending otherwise, it seems even he bought into the lie and tried to make himself into the actual shining knight everyone saw him as and failing with the catastrophic results we see. At several points he risks himself for Guts, which is highlighted as him taking unusual risks. Even when he was crippled and useless he made attempts to help his endangered companions, seemingly not realizing he'd be utterly worthless in that regard.

I really don't get why people are so fixated on simplifying him into a completely heartless villain. The whole reason he's a great villain is because his motivations and morality were complex.

>>93390599
There's no much to tell because there's only one story and a couple poems about him. He's a pictish king during the roman era who becomes enraged after a roman governor crucifies one of his people. He goes to a witch to get his revenge who then helps him summon a race of lovecraftian monsters (I think they're the same snakemen from kull) to bring the governor to him. when they do the governor is completely broken and bran kills him out of mercy

>>93386326
Would you prefer for Miura to go utterly insane and suffer a complete psychological break from writing pure grimdarkness all the time then? The reason why everything has been so light and peppy for a while now is that Miura is literally doing this to preserve his own mental health. The massive hiatus came about specifically because he was genuinely falling ill from writing some of the sick and twisted shit that appeared in the story.