/cock/ again when?

>>93379107
>/mtv/ - Video Killed The Radio Star
Holy kek.

>>93379107
Its actually nuts how good that week was.

/spa/ was an unexpected treasure

Remember how MLPol thinned out the Redditors from the Oldfags? Good times

/can/ went a little weird somewhat by posting anime stuff like nekos and went borderline furry but overall it was extremely peaceful. Was a good time. Only the already shitty boards suffered while anything decent only improved due to having a new experience.

You mean /chowder/ ?

>>93379172
>/mlpol/ going from an absolute warground to absolute chaos to an eventual truce

i regret not exploring outside my usual boards during that week

>>93379172
>>93379205
Pones chased out redditfags and the change of address fucked up the bots (they would have recovered eventually, but for a short while, it was bliss)

Life was good, anons

>Very little /pol/shit outside of the board
>Comfy threads with everyone getting along
>/cock/ & /fitlit/ being absolutely based
Those were the best few days 4chan's had in a long, long time. When will Hiro bring them back? /mlpol/ throwing a shitfit after it was deleted was hilarious, too.

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>>93379172
>>93379205
It was like one of those episodes where status quo fucks characters over
>/pol/ is forced to share space with /mlp/
>lose their fucking mind and expect the worse
>/mlp/ just makes fun of them and takes the opportunity to post porn
>/pol/ tries to get rid of them but fail hard
>realize the redditors and bots are gone because of the horse porn
>suddenly a truce happens
>they actually get together and watch the show
>/pol/ realizes the show is redpilled as fuck
>realize the boards have a lot in common
>hundreds of poor, innocent teenagers being exposed to horse porn
>they try to convince themselves they wear the pants in the relationship and they are "redpilling them" when they are the ones getting redpilled
>Suddenly status quo hit and they need to go back
>They beg Hiro to stay because they would rather share room with literal zoophiles than returning to their own board
>nuke /qa/ into a coma
It would never work in the long run but Jesus the whole thing was hilarious to watch

>>93379235
On a semi related note, does Barneyfag browse /pol/?

>>93379260
You forgot:
>Spam /qa/ with bring back /mlpol/ threads for 2-3 weeks, while threatening to "crash 4chan with no survivors" if they don't
>Gets ignored outside of Hiro calling one of /mlpol/ pics they posted on his twitter cute
>/qa/ gets frozen for a week to drive them off
>The /mlpol/tards make their own site & fuck off from /qa/
Hilarious.

>>93379292
I haven't personally seem him, but I would not be surprised.

>>93379297
>>The /mlpol/tards make their own site & fuck off from /qa/
did they really

lol

>>93379301
not him but here it is
https://mlpol.net/mlpol/index.html

>>93379307
im scared to peek but here goes

>>93379301
Yeah. mlpol.net
They have several boards & everything.

>>93379301
Mate there's like a hundred little 4chan satellites now. Some of those satellites have their own satellites. Every time someone doesn't get exactly what they want they just make their own 4chan with blackjack and hookers.

4chan was originally a SomethingAwful/2ch hybrid satellite so it's just history repeating I guess.

>>93379315
My guess is it is slow as fuck

/mtv/ was hell on earth
Never agian. Fuck /mu/

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pretty cool actually

https://mlpol.net/mlpol/res/39111.html

>Western/Great Civilization and High Pony Art

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>>93379329
>admitting you browse /tv/
Go back to your home memester

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>fucking /spa/
>people who think dumping fan art counts as discussion ganging up with banterlords
Which combos would you guys have made if you could? I wanted to see /r9k/ with /soc/ just to see the collective anger, /u/ with /y/ too for the same reasons

>>93379329
Were there any good tv themesong threads?

>>93379355
/r9k/ was actually best as it was. They had a bunch of rage and crying over the fact that no one wanted to merge with them. It fit their narrative.

>>93379367
>alone during the winter ball
>not part of a site wide joke
virtual equivalent of a school shooting when?

>>93379107
>International Vidya
BR HUEHUEHUEHUE GIB MONI PLOX

Heh. I felt good writing this.

>>93379376
Maybe we should hold an event and invite /r9k/ and reddits weird incel group. They'd make good friends.

>>93379383
just ship them with /soc/ like the /polgbt/ thing, there isn't much of a difference between the boards at this point anyways

>>93379355
If there were some snappy way to combine /d/ and /tg/'s urls, it could've been fun. Like the old lawless days before Nazi Mod.

>>93379416
>/tg/'s creativity combined with porn creativity
I never knew how much I wanted this

/mlp/ with /k/ would have been fun too

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>>93379355
/spa/ was nice. I missed /sp/ and /a/ relationship

>>93379416
/tgd/ honestly works, with TG fetish (thus, being tg'd)

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>>93379260
Really sends the noggin joggin'

>>93379355
/d/ and /ic/ for the obvious /dic/ joke.
Then we get to have /ic/ froth at the mouth over some terribly drawn porn, or just get the collective of /ic/'s artists to churn out /d/ content.

>>93379442
I remember checking the catalog and only seeing smug anime girls, was /sp/ really so triggered by reaction images?

>>93379449
mlpol was the best board

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>>93379478
yes

>>93379442
>/a/ and /sp/ having endless banter
>/sp/ getting triggered by reaction images which caused /a/ to spam them with the smug
>The discovery that 50% of /a/ are from the North

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>>93379514
>>The discovery that 50% of /a/ are from the North
what?

>>93379107
Poor /out/. No one deserves what happened to them.

>>93379329
Kill yourself, capefucker. Literally any board is better than yours.

>>93379521
Apparently due to the flags thing it turned out that a lot of anons on /a/ are from Canada

>>93379355
/spa/ was the biggest shitshow. I loved it.

>>93379528
a Fucking LEAF

>>93379355
/g/ and /diy.

I seriously wouldn't want to know what these 2 boards are capable of.

>>93379528
Same thing sort of happened on /vint/, where /v/ found out that all of their shit poster was a mix of either Canadians or Australians.

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>>93379534
>/a/ complaining/greatful that no one has merged with them
>They get merged with /sp/ and it became the most hilarious couple hours of the day

>>93379487
This.

>>93379107
I like how /vint/ was a good way to slow down the shitposting and helped to weed out which country ruined the board the most

>>93379554
>where /v/ found out that all of their shit poster was a mix of either Canadians or Australians.
we already knew australians were responsible for 80% of this sites shitposting

the very first time /sp/ had flags we realized that they were the ones making all the USA vs Europe threads

fucking kangaroo fucks

cock was fucking comfy

eating food while watching cartoons/reading comics, literally apple pie and orange cream soda, hand and glove

>>93379584
When did /sp/ introduce flags? Is there an archive of the thread where I can see the reactions revealing that Aussie posters were responsible?

>that Rick and Morty ruse
>/co/ denied of watching his favorite show with his waifu

>>93379594
I want to say 2011

i also want to say lots of the archives of that time are gone but i could be wrong

people that arent me have screencaps maybe make a thread about it on /sp/, im sure someone could help you

just make a thread there reminiiscing about old times blah blah blah, just mention australians shitposting as you mentioned and somebody may have something

luck matey

>>93379584
>we already knew australians were responsible for 80% of this sites shitposting
Used to be we were
Canada has joined us up on the podium now. Leafs are as powerful as us, maybe even moreso. It truly is the twilight of the Australian shitposter.

>>93379594
Aussie posters are always responsible for shitposting, even when we aren't, it's just in our blood, cunt.

>>93379738
t. Canadian
You fags aren't on the caliber of Australians and you know it. You just flood boards with shit, instead of quality bantz

>>93379786
Fuck off you limp-cocked drongo cunt. Don't you have more important things to do, like stealing WA's GST and circlejerking about how much you want to get into Abbot's budgie smugglers?

>>93379806
>>93379786
there needs to be a squidbillies show but for australians

cmon theres gotta be a show like that right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s96drQkfpPI

BANTER LADS FACK

>>93379852
Wait, that was the third Damo and Darren? Shit I only knew about that one and the train station one

>>93379355
>/yu/

Oh my god that would've been amazing.

>>93379172
After you fags cried the entire day for being bullied by bronies, and went to other board to cry more, while all the other merges wrestling getting along.

>>93379107
Friendly reminder that /vint/ was a travesty that breeded resentment and shitposting towards specific countries.

>>93381176
So merging with /v/ didn't make much of a difference then?

>>93381202
Well, no, but it was particularly unpleasant nevertheless.
What's /int/ normally like?

>April 1 was several months ago
>/tvpol/ still hasn't unmerged

>>93379355
/r9k/ with either /soc/ or /lgbt/ would be best.

>>93379538
/a/ fucking LEAF

>>93381217
>What's /int/ normally like?
generals where people from the same country discuss subjects only they care about

>>93381217
>What's /int/ normally like?
Like /pol/ without the nazis... or the politics... or the occasionally interesting and informative discussions... or the bants...

It's kind of shit to be honest.

>>93379172
>>93379205
>>93379260
>>93379297
>>93379307
holy shit.
I should have watched this series to the end.

>>93379528
>>93379514
So Marvel Comics was right?
Canada confirmed most evil country??

>>93381359
Australia is chaotic neutral, Canada is chaotic evil

/mo/ and /can/ were the best of the board combos. Hot blooded vehicles and comfy cute animal girls, it was a good day.

Wtf, I kept checking /TV/ and never saw /mtv/

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Never forget /mlpol/.

>>93379107
you love /cock/

/can/ was comfy as fuck.

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>>93379107
>/fitlit/
Please no. I have nothing against /fit/izens, but it somehow made /lit/ worse than it already is

>>93379107
Sure is Comics and Cartoons in here.

>>93380713
>An endless war on what is the purest form of love

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/fitlit/ was a very wholesome board

>>93382252
>>93382286
I don't know who to trust.

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/mo/ was comfy. Best tank thread we had in ages.

>>93379107
Hopefully if board merge happens again then it's two boards with somewhat relatable get matched together and not something completly shit like /outsoc/

>>93379172
>next year it'll be /comlp/

>>93379260
/pol/ didn't like the idea of the furry influx, but they were miles better than the liberal shitstains they replaced. It was like sharing a flat with a guy in a fursuit who sat making dumb jokes versus sharing a flat with a dyed-hair psychotic harpy who watches your every move and screams insane drivel while cutting themselves.

I hope they don't team /co/ with /pol/ next year. You fuckers are the most dreary intolerant tards on 4chan. Nowadays it's more true to say, "/pol/ is love" than "/co/ is love."

>>93382286
capybaras are the best

>>93382307
It really wasn't too bad. Plenty of troll threads, but also plenty of people who were willing to actually listen to the other boards recommendations

/lit/ got some basic exercises and advice, /fit/ got some decent intro's into good writing

>>93382326
You completely missed the point.

>>93379589
Don't forget the /cock/ comics storytimes, those were the best

/vint/ showed up that all shitposters and SJW role players come from Canada.
No wonder they elected Trudeau

>>93382307
The problem is that /fit/ inflames the most cancerous side of /lit/: that which treats the board as a self-help forum where they can blog about their problems

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>>93379355
/spa/ was legitimately the funniest fucking shitshow

>that one guy that was from the virgin islands
>endless pope jokes because of that one guy that was from the vatican
>every ganging up against the leafs

it was fucking great and I miss it.

>>93382358
I can already picture this scenario
>/co/ and /pol/ merge
>frog/wojak spam for a couple of hours
>DUDE /CO/MBLR LMAO
>leftist false flag all over the place (read:/pol/ shitposters doing what they know best)
>something something red skull muh modern marvel I don't read comics btw
>maybe some WW2 cartoon discussion
It would be like mixing water and oil, not because the differences in ideologies (or at least what people think the boards represent) but because the communities are just too different, /pol/ is chaotic and fast, /co/ is so disconnected it doesn't even feel like 4chan sometimes which can be either refreshing or frustrating depending on the subject

>>93382395
I wouldn't be surprised if they were using proxies to fuel the memes, /vint/ felt like /v/ talking to itself for the most part

>>93379107
I never saw /mtv/ or /spa/. Did it only last a certain amount of time?

>>93382401
THIS. I like /lit/ a lot but holy shit it gets infested with so many fucking sad sacks from /r9k/ who think that just because we talk about philosophy we can help you be less of a pathetic NEET. We should be giving these people a link to the Western Canon and a pat on the back, and then telling them to fuck off.

>>93382477
Man... There's tons of crossposting between /pol/ and /co/, on top of it most of the people here hate SJW with rage but are too spineless to do anything about it... Meanwhile /pol/ kills people and makes memes about them literally for the lulz, if anything it's help this place grow some balls and get more proactive

>>93379329
>the two biggest contrarian boards
>not made for each other

>>93379355
/yu/ would just be plain vanilla /h/. /brash/ on the other hand, now THAT would be something to behold

>>93382519
>we are le legion, expect us

/b/ crossposters are the worst thing about /pol/.

>>93379355
/sci/ and /x/, /scix/.

>>93382519
>get shit done
>attract media attention
>waves of newfags
>Hiro pls help :(
After the r_thedonald fiasco I wish I could say I feel bad about them but they deserve all the shit they are getting, 4chan is not a good place to "get shit done", they are willing to sacrifice everything to win but their victories will never be enough, niggers will still exist, jews will still control the world, etc etc, its not that the rest of the website is too dumb or too coward to do anything, its that attracting the bad kind of attention would just backfire really hard

>>93379554
Also sonyggers were mostly from third world countries and that was fairly funny.

>>93382477
> modern marvel
They'd tell you about how superhero comics are an entirely Jewish created genre which attempt to replace traditional folktale heroes with their slave morality and modernist cultural hegenomy.

> leftist false flag
They've been autistic but they don't really do this or have any need to

>>93382692
>sonyggers were mostly from third world countries
I thought that was pretty obvious, the playstation 2 is still a thing in south America

>>93381299
Are you retarded? /int/ has way more nazis than /pol/, /int/ doesnt have conservative Americans denying evolution or muh free market posters but the whole board is dedicated to who is white or not to the point of bullying /pol/ lack of whiteness.

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>>93379584
>Australians
If only you could see my flag now...

>>93382358
/co/ is. Too weak, small and irrelevant to merge with /pol/. Also /co/mblr would just cry

>>93382621
We got Trump elected just to piss off the left... You can't even get rid of feminists from your shit ass comics

>>93382778
>Also /co/mblr would just cry
And that's be bad because...?

>>93382760
they are not nazis, its just banter, non white skin is associated with third world shitholes so even people from shitty countries will act like they are of white ancestry of some kind, which leads to stuff like the Argentina being white jokes

>>93382785
Look I know nobody likes /pol/ here but could you please stop worsening our rep? Also you're South American, aren't you? Castizo or Mestizo?

>>93382774
Fuck yeah Quokkas. West Aus Best Aus

>>93382785
>We

Christ, how old are you? Judging from the way you type you're not even American.

>>93382823
See, I fucking knew I wasn't the only one who could tell. What's with the influx of braindead Mexicans the past few years?

>>93382785
And was it worth it? Are you happy with how your board is today because of what you decided to do?

They should try splitting /co/ into /coca/ - Comics and Cartoons and /cola/ - Comics (and Cartoons) Live Action.

Just to see /co/ without the cape movie company wars for a few hours.

>>93382797
Because after one hour it would just be /pol/, /ck/ is a good and extremely tiny board. /co/ is a really passive board while /mlp/ is not that big is extremely active. /co/mblr cries when they was the word WE

>>93382863
>For a few hours
>Not permanently

/tv/ is literally the worst board on the entire site and needs to go.

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>>93382785
>We got Trump elected just to piss off the left

hahahahahah

Nigga, I voted Trump and anybody with a brain know that /pol/ had never to do with him winning, what made him win was middle aged men who usualy vote for Democrats voting on Trump because of his policies regarding jobs.

Hell, the age demographic that /pol/ would be part of and most likely to know any of your memes, massively voted against him.

This is why /pol/ is so fucking dumb, you have a sense of self importance that is far away from reality.

>>93382874
Don't /tv/ also hate cape movies and want it contained here?

>>93382818
You literally got it backwards.

Ok, what is this? What did I miss?

>>93382893
Please explain
>>93382898
April fools

>>93382874
Fuck off, /tv/ created more content out of one meme than /co/ in its entire existence.

>>93382876
> middle aged men who usualy vote for Democrats voting on Trump because of his policies regarding jobs.

Unfortunately his by-the-book tax cuts to the rich are going to ensure there'll be literally no increase in jobs during his term, lel

>>93382892
I have no idea, I don't go there. Who cares what they like? Movies are movies.

/fitlit/, /mtv/ and /spa/ were fucking great.

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>>93379449
Here's the long version.

>>93382916
Maybe, but since I'm not a 20 year old who only gets enjoyment out of sharing epic funny memes on his Discord chat with fifty other 20 year olds, I don't judge board quality by that.

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>>93382922
Honestly I'm still expecting him to be impeached. Him being easier to impeach than Hillary is the primary reason I'm glad he won. Then we can have NEITHER of them, which is what most of America wanted in the first place.

>>93382963
But if he gets impeached then we get President Pence

>>93382924
Its a gray zone, containing it to either board would just be shitting up one to save the other, if people don't want the subject around they will definitively want to kill the threads with shitposting because they don't like them, which would be bad to people who just want to discuss the movies

>>93382963
I like the guy, but I'm betting on assassination.
Nothing the left has thrown at him yet has stuck.

Does anyone here remember the nyquil cake some anon made on /cock/ the night before it died
I've been trying to find an archive or screencap of it for a while

>>93382976
Genuinely question here, what's wrong with Pence? I know little outside of US politics other than the meme stuff so from what I can tell Pence would just be "Standard Republican Neocon #491"

Mods were jerks about what happened with /mlpol/ and the war with /mlp/ and the /jp/ shitposters on /qa/. They said nothing about anything and froze /qa/ until the war was over. It would have been nice to have secret merged boards but no we can't have fun on 4chan. Mods don't care about what the users of 4chan want which is why /qa/ is 90% /jp/ shitposting and the feedback page hasn't been updated since 2015. Also, don't even bother with trying to talk to them on IRC they'll be assholes to you because they don't want to cater to you.

>>93382874
I wouldn't want to lose the /co/ name/url forever. But /cola/ works great for the superficiality of cape movie wars.

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>>93382997

>>93382252
>somehow made /lit/ worse than it already is.

see, I've been to /lit/ and that board is horrible. /fit/ could only have improved it or left it the same. No way for it to get worse.

>>93382957
Yes, you are a 30 years old that gets joy out of watching cartoons for kids and cries about Snyder not making superman smile l. Be proud of yourself.


Creating its own content will always be a sign of a good board compared to a board that only bitch about the product it consumes. It doesn't matter how much shitpost a board has as long as it creates something, even a Polandball comic has more value than 30 threads about how much you hate batman, why Steven universe fans suck, or crying over /pol/ mocking wakanda.

t. /int/

>>93382997
Neocons don't exist outside America.
Neocons are just neoliberals + muh baby Jesus.

>>93383018
/lit/ is fine if you avoid the /r9k/ parts of the board. I would never have read Borges or Gene Wolfe if it weren't for /lit/.

>>93383065
"x is fine if you avoid y" goes for pretty much any board though. It's all about the ratio.

>>93382358
Mix /co/ with /pol/ & it'll just be /pol/ shitposting all over the place & "dude /co/mblr kek!" Fuck that

>>93382997
>Genuinely question here, what's wrong with Pence?
Memes aside, fucking nothing. It's be the same Presidency as if Paul Ryan would've won. Pence is just your classic ultra-conservative GOP member. He's definitely not LGBT friendly, but the memes are an exaggeration. Pence would honestly be a pretty chill President and it would mean the GOP could essentially do what they want.

>>93383028
/co/ just has a different source of humor really, the attempts at LOL and screencap threads show that, it makes sense people here don't produce the same kind of content when they wouldn't find it funny in the first place

>>93383028

Everytime /co/ thinks it has the moral HIGH GROUND it gets rekt.

>>93383028
>t. /int/

You didn't have to specify, we can tell from your grade school English.

>>93383095
>source of humor
*sense of humor

>>93382947
truly the greatest.

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>>93379427
>>93379444
/tg/ posters already make up a large amount of /d/ users
Hell, 'That Guy' threads on /tg/ regularly talk about dealing with DMs or other players forcing fetishes into everything they can manage

>>93379478
/sp/ gets invaded by /a/ every time there's a really big sporting event, and unlike other crossboarders they're not shy about it. Like "who /a/ here" in game threads and then they proceed to talk about waifus.

>>93383184
Let me guess, they pull the "we wuz oldfags" card when they are told to fuck off

>>93383094
It's a funny world when an ultra-establishment GOP autocrat is a more preferable option to the current leader

>>93379594
2010 World cup or 2012 Olympics. The latter iirc.

>>93383184
World cup time always results in huge board migrations but /a/ always seems to be the loudest.

>>93382818
>it's just banter
That hasn't been true in years.

>>93383184
>>93383246
Together forever

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>>93383274
friendship ended with /v/, now /sp/ is my best friend

>>93382358
>I hope they don't team /co/ with /pol/ next year.
i do
i want /co/mlr out of this board for at least a day

>>93383095
Filename threads on this board are something to be admired, just because of how strangely shit they are or how quickly they give up and start posting /v/ content

>>93383308
>/co/mblr
I would love to see this meme stop being spammed, to be honest

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>>93383332
agreed

>>93383355
>meme
People getting triggered over the word nigger means /co/mblr is real.

>>93383389
I've seen far more use of nigger on /co/ than people getting offended by it. /co/mblr is honestly one of the dumber memes I've seen forced on this site, & I say this as someone who thinks /co/'s mostly fucking awful

>>93383389
Literally nobody here gets offended by the word nigger. At best you might have a teenager thinking he's hilarious by pretending to be offended by it in a really blatant over-the-top manner and other teenagers falling for it and going off to tell their buddies about how they totally made fun of a triggered SJW.

>>93383207
No, they just post smug anime girls.
Pretty sure there are no oldfags left on /sp/.

>>93382837
I blame it on Dragon Ball Super

>>93382876
He actually did better with young white men than old white men.

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>>93379558
But it kinda maked sense because /a/ had pretty big thing with /sp/ before so it wasnt just some random thing

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board merges are never going to happen again given the year before's prank and that not doing so would be the biggest prank of them all

>>93383636
/a/ has a pretty big thing *for /sp/. /sp/ never reciprocated.

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>>93383645
>everybody rolling for Anthony Burch
that was a fun day

>>93381008
You do understand that the bitching you remember is from the very redditors that /mpol/ drove out, right?

>>93383677
Did anyone roll for Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold?

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>>93383184
Cant wait for Tokyo Olympics. Its gonna be glorious

bring back /mo/

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>>93383207
Why would they? or are you one of those that gets mad that someone post anime reaction images?

>>93383666
Come now. Alot people on /sp/ likes /a/ too.

>>93379553
/shiggydiggy/

>>93384121
Or an human-sized anime girl that could interact with you.

I've been on /g/ enough to know what they can think of.

>>93384066
>Why would they?
There are weebs who are really autistic and lack any kind of self awareness (furries, bronies etc also have people like that) and will attempt to hide behind the "4chan is an anime website" argument to justify themselves when they are called for their ERP forum tier behavior, hiding behind legacy to justify shitposting

Of course this is assuming its not just someone doing it on purpose for a laugh

>>93379107
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx1MA6ousJE
Never forget

>>93384505
kek

>>93383002
Seriously though mods are the biggest faggots on the site

>>93382797
/co/mblr brings most of the artfags to /co/

>>93385841
that explains the lack of anyone being able to draw better than fucking shadman

>>93383962
It's gonna be grorious.

>>93384119
That's what /a/ likes to think but I've never seen any evidence of it.

>>93379292
He does

>>93383094
Sooooo basically the same as the Trump presidency minus the batshit craziness?

>>93379144
>it's both a reference to the merging of /m/ and /tv/ and the first music video of /mtv/
Deep.

>>93386407
/mu/* and /tv/

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>No /cgl/ and /r9k/ merge

Just fucking imagine

>>93386966
>/r9k/ getting bullied by all the salty lolitas

It would be glorious

>>93384354
But /a/ doesnt do that. Newfags only complain about anime for some reason even if you just use anime reaction image.

>>93386966
>>93387043
/r9k/ is the lolitas at this point

>>93386966
What would it be called?

>>93382286
Shouldn't that overgrown guinea pig be on a leash? Are they just allowed to run wild over there?

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/cock/ JACK thread was great

Best image from /fitlit/

>>93387220
/cbs/
Cyborg Seagulls.

>>93379553
/g/ would tell /diy/ users to install templeOS

>>93387650
There might actually be some legitimate tech discussion. I see quite often people post non consumer tech on /g/ and get told to discuss it on /diy/, which is fair since /diy/ is actually a good board, and /g/ is full of /v/remin and phonefags. Occasionally there are some interesting projects that pop up, or things like reverse engineering threads, but a lot if it these days is company wars and shitty generals.