/swco/ - Star Wars Comics & Cartoons

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What is she, /swco/?

first

>>93376071
I'm genuinely glad it was a different image.
No one knows. Asking here won't get answers. Bother Pablo.

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>Tolvan
>Sana Starros
>Luke
Why is Aphra so bisexual?

AHSOKA

WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME WITH A SHITTIER BUT SEXIER SPUNKY TOKEN NON-WHITE

>>93376116
marvel perhaps?

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Goddamn you you got to it before I saw it hit page 10, now I'll have to concede the picture dump request I was going to make this thread to go beyond Nebulons

Can people post high quality 1080p+ screenshots of TCW or Rebels involving any fleet actions or more than one starship of any kind? Preferably the cartoons instead of the movies, but anything from TCW or Rebels.

>>93376116
She was created by a bisexual man with a keen interest in increasing the orientational diversity of his characters.

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I was the pro-Shaw person in the last thread but I think we should try and avoid arguments and general negativity (even towards TFA/Disney) in at least this thread.

George wouldn't want the fanbase fighting desu

Here's a unused ROTJ poster concept that I never see anywhere as a gesture of good faith

>>93376247
Or you could have just not brought it up again.

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>>93376247
another. Only posting a few because the captcha is a fucking shit up my ass to deal with every time

>>93376116
There's no solid evidence she's bisexual. Girls call each other cute all the time without it meaning they want to fuck. I won't dispel the possibility but don't treat it like a guarantee.

>>93376247
from a visual and nostalgic aspect I prefer Shaw, but narratively, Hayden is objectively the better choice (as was previously discussed)

the only SE edit I truly dislike is the thoroughly unscary sarlacc beak, it was way more tense when they fell into the toothy hole imo

>>93376262
this, leave dead arguments in dead threads where they belong

>>93376247
>I was the pro-Shaw person
You never answered this.
>>93375444

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>>93376262
I only mentioned it because I figured someone would say "tell that to the guy who started the argument last thread" or something like that

>>93376266
was this an official poster? Don't think I've seen it anywhere before. I like it a lot though

>>93376089
He's not going to stop just because you tell him to bother Pablo.

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>>93376282
>There's no solid evidence she's bisexual.

>>93376282
The Sarlacc being a vagina was Lucas' subconscious fear of his failing marriage.

Having a beak makes it feel more like an animal and less like a sexual metaphor.

>>93376308
that is precisely as much evidence as Rebels indicating a sexual relationship between Hera and Sabine, or Sabine and Ketsu
if you want to believe in that that's fine, you might turn out to be right, just don't expect everyone to see gayness because you think Samwise was in love with Frodo

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Reminder to report OP and all EU shitposters

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>>93376284
>>93376282
I said in the last thread that it wasn't worth the argument and I was dropping it. I didn't bring it up here to start the argument again, I literally said I think we should avoid arguments in this thread and generally try to be less negative. I miss /comfyswco/

>>93376286
last one for now. Dunno what film this was for.

>>93376314
but it looked more like an anus

what did he mean by this?

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>>93376336
wrong

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>>93376346
I was gonna tell >>93376336 there's nothing wrong with discussing the EU here but you proved me wrong.

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Reminder that all of your Snoke theories are trash

>>93376336
Seriously, why does this general hate the EU? It's like the only thing you agree with /tv/ on

>>93376363
Exactly. The EU is pure autism and only brought up by shitposters.

>>93376363
That fact that you have that image saved makes me doubt that.

>>93376374
It's not canon.

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>>93376384
>the EU is pure autism
WRONG

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>>93376367
Snoke is George Lucas' doppelganger trapped inside the world he created desperately trying to find a release from his torment by bringing about the galaxy's destruction

>>93376374
>/tv/
>hating the EU
I wish, it would make their star wars threads a lot more bearable

>>93376385
and what does this image tell you about me

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>>93376374
It I had to wager a guess, I'd say to say most people here only here about meme shit like Trioculus and the Sun Crusher and base everything off of that.

>>93376374
>Seriously, why does this general hate the EU?
I don't.

>>93376384
But the EU is so similar to the canon that "Heir to the Jedi" could just be dropped in with minor canon conformity tweaking.

James Luceno's EU books are no more autistic than his canon books.

>>93376409
>>93376408
>one second apart
>one board-wide post apart
GET OUT OF MY MIND AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>the person who wrote dark disciple is writing inferno squad
I'm not sure how to feel about this

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>>93376089

>>93376432
Just accept the dark greetings

>>93376374
You can always tell if someone has read the EU or not based on their reaction to it, so it's safe to assume no one on 4chan has read it.

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>>93376486
I'll be seeing you at the Mofference

>>93376506
I could timestamp my library if you'd like but then that would make me almost as big of a faggot as you.

>>93376515
>>93376486
before I entered high school, I unironically enjoyed Jedi Prince, but didn't like The Courtship of Princess Leia, then in high school those opinions reversed. Then I read that they killed off Tenel Ka for some edgy forced drama and disliked it again.

>>93376543
>I could timestamp my library
You can't time stamp what you don't have nigger

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>>93376367
Snoke is Darth Vader's best friend Snoop Dogg. Prove me wrong atheists

Reminder that either Kennedy, Kasdan, or both is/are CANCER and will ruin Star Wars if they haven't already.

>>93376586
Kennedy had a hand in turning TFA into garbage... but she also made the decisions that saved Rogue One.

So I'm conflicted here.

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>>93376573
since I'm now nearly as big of a faggot as you, looks like it's time for you to eat my ass

>>93376632
>owning EU books

HAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Is any of you watching The Shadow's Journey?

>>93376610
Iger fucked TFA. JJ and Kasdan went to him saying they needed another year for the script because they couldn't figure out how to get Luke's role to work and the third act wasn't working as well, but he only gave them 6 months (which is why Star Wars comes out in the winter now and why those things weren't really fixed by the time the movie came out)

why The Force Awakens needed to come out in 2015 I have no idea, but Iger was the Sheev to Kennedy's Vader.

>>93376654
my canon collection is worse because I buy all of it instead of just the good ones, insofar as EU books can be considered good relative to each other as a comparison

>>93376610
>but she also made the decisions that saved Rogue One.

It was probably her decision to have Jyn be a woman and the rest of the supporting cast all be minorities rather than non-humans.

Would Cassian haave been less interesting if he was a Twi'lek? Would Chirrut have been much different if he was a Faleen? Would Big-gun have been less Big-Gun if he was an Ithorian?

>>93376632
>Zorba the Hutt

Wasn't he Greek?

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>>93376694
>It was probably her decision to have Jyn be a woman and the rest of the supporting cast all be minorities rather than non-humans.
Don't be that guy.

Okay, I was always told that we hate the EU because of facebook faggots and wook users and general autism, but now you're telling me we're okay with it?

When the fuck did it change?

>>93376694
Nope that was John Knoll's decision for Jyn to be a girl. You can see his original treatment in the Rogue One blu-ray extras (which were fucking terrible and basically featurettes that could've come out before the movie was released and no one would bat an eye) and it mentions the main character being a girl. The title was different too. Something like "The Eater of Worlds" or "The Destroyer of Worlds" but I'm not sure. I think it was the second.

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>>93376694
jyn was always a woman, you're thinking TFA again back when Rey was supposed to be a white guy and Finn was supposed to be a black girl or some bass-ackwards shit that was superior to the non-characters that we got

>>93376703
that would be zorba the greek

>>93376734
we've always been ok with people liking it as long as they accept its flaws instead of praising it as "true" star wars instead of the fanfiction it is, those people are EUfags and should be reviled and laughed out of any and all threads they post in

>>93376755
> only the EU is fanfiction
When will this meme end?

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>>93376755
Rey was always a girl, her original name was Kira. Finn was a white guy named Sam and I think they intended to cast a white guy because John Boyega talked about having to audition nine times for the role before they gave it to him.
>>93376736
yeah here's the treatment I was talking about

>>93376734
>When the fuck did it change?

It never did. We don't hate the EU, we just acknowledge that it's not perfect as those who love it believe it to be. We see it for what it is;

A massive, inconsistent mess with mostly underwhelming content with a few gems scattered about and some really decent to good ideas that were just very poorly executed.

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>>93376778
when it stops being true, which is never

>>93376821
>>93376755
All I ever heard from this thread was about how shitty the EU is and you were all just fucking around?

>>93376840
Canon is mostly fanfiction too.

>>93376778
>When will this meme end?

Never, because it's pretty much true. The EU was never canon because George never chose to accept it as part of the universe he created. So, from a certain point of view, the EU pretty much WAS/IS fanfiction.

Only difference is that it was published fanfiction that the authors got paid for.

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>>93376844
We're not fucking around, the EU is very shitty. But that doesn't mean it isn't occasionally enjoyable. However, certain fans of the EU behave like their shit don't stink, and as such are openly and deservedly mocked. Think of it like the Star Wars Holiday Special; the Boba Fett cartoon was pretty cool, but you really didn't need or want to see the stomach-churning 1970s sketch "comedy" surrounding it.

>>93376858
um, no sweetie

>>93376632
You should cut your nails.

Unless you play guitar. Or like coke.

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>>93376844
yee

>>93376844
>All I ever heard from this thread was about how shitty the EU is and you were all just fucking around?

To trigger EU autists from /tv/ who invade the thread? Probably. On more calm days, there will be times when certain EU materials are spoken of fondly. Stuff like the Thrawn trilogy, Shadows of The Empire and the Original two Battlefront Games are still very highly regarded.

>>93376661
Iger is a greedy jew who wanted to have good numbers for the shareholders.

>>93376821
This

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>red lightsabers bleed

I feel like Mila Kunis could do Aphra on screen or for VO perfectly. Been catching up and some panels really have her likeness.

>>93376907
I only clip once every 2 or 3 weeks and it's about that time

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I feel like no one in this thread liked SW before the buyout.

The EU had plenty of shit, but it had WAY more than "a couple gems".

The best EU books are currently better than anything in canon.

And the REAL kicker is that they are written BY THE SAME FUCKING PEOPLE.
That alone destroys the argument that the EU is categorically worse.

I love how all the fags who come here and ask why we hate the EU completely ignore the recommendation list in the OP

>>93376858
everything that's canon outside of 1-6 are pretty much fanfiction approved by Lucas.

Honestly I wish they didn't decide to adhere to a strict canon though. It leaves less room for creativity and interesting stories and also means that every time something comes out that's canon and is awful, we're stuck with it.

Case & point: Aftermath Trilogy. It's canon now that the Empire is defeated in less than a year and that there aren't going to be any interesting stories between 5 ABY and 34 ABY because anything involving known characters or important enough to affect those characters would fuck with continuity.

Seriously, no matter what your opinion on the EU is, the fact that at the point when The Force Awakens happens in the original Expanded Universe the Yuuzhan Vong War had already finished or was almost finished is fucking depressing. All of those great stories and characters that were introduced between the end of Return of the Jedi and the end of the Yuzhaan Vong War/NJO books are gone. And it's not like they can be replaced by anything. Everything has to happen on a small-scale so that everything stays the way it is at the beginning of TFA.


They should've just been like, "the movies are their own canon and everything else is case-by-case" like they were whenever the prequels messed with the EU's canon.

>>93376973
Same. Nice shelf nonetheless.

>>93376936
Just when you thought they couldn't edge it up, they find a way.

>>93376980
>Seriously, no matter what your opinion on the EU is, the fact that at the point when The Force Awakens happens in the original Expanded Universe the Yuuzhan Vong War had already finished or was almost finished is fucking depressing. All of those great stories and characters that were introduced between the end of Return of the Jedi and the end of the Yuzhaan Vong War/NJO books are gone. And it's not like they can be replaced by anything. Everything has to happen on a small-scale so that everything stays the way it is at the beginning of TFA.
This.
I started to sour on DisneyWars when their handling of the post ROTJ universe became clear.

>>93376936
Thank you for showing just how autistic you are. It's metaphorical, poetic.

They aren't 'alive' either.

>>93376980
They can still do What If? comics. Marvel is known for that. Legends is still ongoing with SWTOR and the books associated with it. Not to mention all the PS2onPS4 titles that have been released with trophies.

>>93376966
while you're right that Mila Kunis looks like Aphra as she often appears in the comics, Aphra is apparently a Space Asian and that wouldn't work until Hollywood Jews start considering slavs sufficiently ethnically Asian instead of white

>>93376974
>The best EU books are currently better than anything in canon.
EUDF bait

>>93376980
>>93376994
>Seriously, no matter what your opinion on the EU is, the fact that at the point when The Force Awakens happens in the original Expanded Universe the Yuuzhan Vong War had already finished or was almost finished is fucking depressing
EU galaxy had constant omnicidal destructive war with no relief or peace or happy endings EVER, new canon at least has 30 years of relative decency after ROTJ

I find it astounding that people can accuse the new canon of being depressing when the EU was an unspeakably bleak edgefest on a scale that doesn't even compare with the worst of the new stuff

>>93377004
Yeah, but TOR is to KOTOR what TFA is to the OT, a total lore rape that ruins some of the best parts.

>>93377019
kotor was lore rape of star wars 2bh and you are kidding yourself if you disagree, especially since Chris Avellone has made it perfectly clear he hates star wars and its "kiddie morality"

>>93377016
Luke was actually successful in the EU.

>>93377016
>>The best EU books are currently better than anything in canon.

There is not a single book in the nucanon as good as the best of the EU books.

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>>93377016
Han and Leia are dead in canon, dumbass.

So how come you guys suck the EU's dick so much but you can destroy a thread on /toy/ just by mentioning an EU character?

>>93377016
>>The best EU books are currently better than anything in canon.
I don't see why this is a controversial statement.

>>93377056
>/toy/
Well there's your problem

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>>93376974
>I feel like no one in this thread liked SW before the buyout.

The EU wipe happened before the buyout. But it was admittedly hard to be a fan with the Eu being at the forefront. It made being a Star Wars fan feel like a chore rather than be something enjoyed. Too many headcanon arguments, nobody could agree on anything on what happened to what or who because the books, comics and games they preferred didn't fit with the ones others liked.

When George set the record straight, it made all the negative aspects of being a Star Wars fan go away. It was something that could be fun to enjoy again.

At least, that's how it is for me. Obviously it made things worse for a few folks (pic related).

>>93377029
Really though, don't kid yourself. The kiddie morality is the worst thing in Star Wars.

>>93376999
>They aren't 'alive' either.
Kyber crystals

Sith having synthetic crystals is old EU. Both use Kyber now.

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>An Imperial spy posing as a rebel prisoner is being escorted by a Rebel spy posing as an Imperial Agent to a secret base where both are aware of an incoming strike

>>93376994
>new trilogy announced that takes place 5 years after Jedi and ignores/overrides the nucanon
>OT actors are recast (obviously)
>Main characters are Luke, Mara, Kyle Katarn, and Rogue Squadron with Leia/Han/Chewie/Lando given a fitting conclusion to their character arcs in the first film and then off-screen in the 2nd and 3rd
>First film is influenced by the Thrawn Trilogy
>Second film is influenced by the X-Wing books and takes the best parts from various EU stories for Luke, Mara, and Kyle's storyline
>Third film is influenced by the Yuuzhan Vong War storyline with the stupid shit about the Vong removed.

>post yfw we get the single most kino scene in the saga when Luke goes to the ruins of the Jedi Temple and walks up the temple steps with his father's Force Ghost, placing stones on each step in memory of the fallen Jedi

Executive Producer - George Lucas

would you be hyped, /swco/?

>bleeding lightsabers is a new concept to him
disgusting
this means you didnt even read best girl's novel

>>93377019
My point is Legends won't go away anytime soon. They'll keep republishing because it still sells just because it's SW. And they still have the potential to add to it.
>>93377016
>Space Asian
Since when did Hollywood give a fuck about casting whites as asians?

>>93377077
Not really a trilogy if every movie tells a different story.

And that "kino" scene is shit.

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>>93377065
This makes no sense.
Just enjoy a good story.
The book I posted is a very good book.

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>>93377016
>while you're right that Mila Kunis looks like Aphra as she often appears in the comics

Kunis doesn't have the same caliber of ass that Aphra does though.

>>93377073
I was referring to Kybers to begin with. What did you think I was talking about?

>>93377016
>EU literally ends with all of the main characters save for Chewie alive and no threat to the galaxy looming
>nuCanon has Han dead, Leia about to be dead, their only child being the one who killed Han and also generally an evil fucker, and Luke as a literal depressed hermit with nothing to his name

well at least there weren't any canonical wars in Star Wars after Return of the Jedi!

>>93377121
>>nuCanon has Han dead, Leia about to be dead, their only child being the one who killed Han and also generally an evil fucker, and Luke as a literal depressed hermit with nothing to his name
this
Fuck this shit.

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I've always hoped that all of the EU post-rotj would be moved to the Old Republic era in nucanon

like it's an alternative timeline where everybody was born hundreds of years earlier

>>93376977
I always advise them to ignore it, because it's full of EU.

>>93377104
Well each film in the prequels and the original trilogy tells a different story, it's just each trilogy has an overarching story that's relevant in each film but not the driving force of the plot save for maybe the final film.

That'd be the case with what I came up with, I just didn't mention it

>>93377139
Answer this simple question for me- James Luceno has written for the EU and for canon.

What makes those works different in quality?

>>93377121
>>93377130
You're judging an incomplete story.

>>93376936
it's figurative, not literal

>>93376980
>Case & point: Aftermath Trilogy.
outside of the writing style, isn't really all that bad. Nothing special tho.

> It's canon now that the Empire is defeated in less than a year
In a year, actually, and there's nothing wrong with that, especially since it was orchestrated posthumously by Sheev. He set his Empire up to collapse without him but had contingencies so that the best of the Empire could flee to the Unknown Regions and create a new one

>there aren't going to be any interesting stories between 5 ABY and 34 ABY because anything involving known characters or important enough to affect those characters would fuck with continuity.
Just because the main major conflict is over doesn't mean that there won't be interesting stories. They just are keeping the stuff off-limits until the films establish more

>no matter what your opinion on the EU is, the fact that at the point when The Force Awakens happens in the original Expanded Universe the Yuuzhan Vong War had already finished or was almost finished is fucking depressing.
It's more despressing that the Yuuzhan Vong War is just one of a million different wars or conflicts that were crammed in after ROTJ into a short period of time.

> All of those great stories and characters that were introduced between the end of Return of the Jedi and the end of the Yuzhaan Vong War/NJO books are gone.

First of all
>great stories and characters
>most of the Post-ROTJ era outside of a few books and a couple comics

Secondly, it's a good thing that the stories and characters were gone. The Post-ROTJ era of the EU was pure cancer as a whole

>And it's not like they can be replaced by anything
They are replaced, with a much better "Galaxy has at least some peacetimes before then next conflict"

>They should've just been like, "the movies are their own canon and everything else is case-by-case" like they were whenever the prequels messed with the EU's canon.
no, that's retarded

>>93377158
Everything is connected™

>>93377174
There's always a bit of truth in legends

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This is now a Mara Jade thread

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>>93377045
>Leia
When did this happen?
in canon I mean

>>93377132
considering most of the notable post-RotJ stuff in the EU happened before 34 ABY, theoretically they still could've happened (at least the pre-NJO stuff) without it affecting the story much. Ben is basically Jacen anyway and Rey could have either been a retcon of Jaina or a retcon of Ben Skywalker as well. The canon didn't have to be wiped completely, they just could've written over what they wanted and ignored whatever created continuity errors.

I'm keeping my headcanon that way desu, as autistic as that sounds.

>>93377111
>Just enjoy a good story.

That becomes impossible when you want to enjoy it with other people and they don't feel the same way. I've had insurmountably more cases of being on the same page as others since George set the record straight than I did before then.

Canon or no canon, I'm a Star Wars fan. But with established canon, I've seen so much more instances where people are enjoying things together. With it, I can finally be a Star Wars fan WITH other Star Wars fans. Which makes being a fan of Star Wars all the more special.

>>93377165
Pretty sure Han is completely dead.

>>93377166
refute this
>>EU literally ends with all of the main characters save for Chewie alive and no threat to the galaxy looming
>>nuCanon has Han dead, Leia about to be dead, their only child being the one who killed Han and also generally an evil fucker, and Luke as a literal depressed hermit with nothing to his name

>>93377189
>Mara Jade
>Mary Jane
whooa

>>93377193
When Carrie Fisher died and they re-wrote episode 9 from the ground up to remove her character.

>>93376374
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>>93377189
I was watching this the other day and realized how much I wish we could get Kate Mara as Mara Jade, even if it makes absolutely no sense in nuCanon and would probably mean her entire character would be rewritten and thus canonizing her would be pointless.
But I still want it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BheQ5thb5SY

>>93377202
????
>it becomes impossible to like something good because other people don't like it
You're a lemming, mate.

>>93377232
Yea they all are. I expected this when TFA hit. It's way Worse then I could possibly imagine

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>>93377116
?

>>93377209
I think Jade was just her last name and she kept it as her middle name or something when she married Luke, but it'd would've made sense for her to be Mara Jade-Skywalker instead of Mara Jade Skywalker.

But yeah, I don't think Mara Jade was her first name like Mary-Jane's

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>>93377193
>When did this happen?
>in canon I mean

It hasn't, yet. But it's practically guaranteed to since Fisher died.

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>when you refit your droids with a basic ai so they can learn more effective means to kill and adapt on the battlefield but instead of creating an army of terminators you create an army of retards because you couldn't afford proper maintenance due to (((budgetary constraints)))

>>93377252
And further confirmed because they wrote her out of episode 9.

>>93377255
Blame Gunray for trying to buy more porn.

>>93377247
I've been critical of some aspects of the nucanon, but I love the way they are handling the Sith and the Vader/Sheev relationship. The art may be weird, but this new Vader comic has been my favorite comic since the Dark Horse/Marvel exchange

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>>93377255
I just remembered I still haven't finished this book

>>93377205
>refute this
>EU literally ends with all of the main characters save for Chewie alive and no threat to the galaxy looming
>nuCanon has Han dead, Leia about to be dead, their only child being the one who killed Han and also generally an evil fucker, and Luke as a literal depressed hermit with nothing to his name

Incorrect in regards to Legends. Legends chronologically ends with all of the OT heroes dead, though it does end with no apparent conflict looming because Legacy ended.

Not sure what you wanted me to even refute though. You could try refuting what I said though.

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>>93377229
She certainly has the hips for it
and hair

>>93377315
That's a primate body if I've ever seen you.

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>>93377252

At least it probably means that Luke won't die in TLJ, but could you imagine if he did die and the only characters from the OT in Episode IX are Chewie and the two droids? I doubt they'd have that so Luke is definitely safe till at least IX, but then again I don't know which would be better for him, living at the end of the trilogy or dying. He has nothing to live for and nothing to die for either.

>"Oh Luke btw you know your nephew that you trained but he turned to evil and killed all of your other students?"
>"..yeah?
>"He killed his father and your best friend while you were in hiding. You probably could've prevented it since the search for you is what led to Han getting killed"
>"oh, I need to sit down. Is Leia okay?"
>"oh she's dead too."
>"Ben killed her too?"
>"No."
>"Then what happened?"
>"I dunno she died off screen, wanna help us go stop Goldmember?"
>"Fuck this, I'm staying on my island with my puffins. Artoo you can stay too if you want."

I'm so glad that Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connolly (who aside from being Trevorrow's co-writer also wrote this years classic film Monster Trucks) are the two people in charge of handling the end of this story and possibly the end of the Skywalker Saga.

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>>93377229
>>93377315

>A Mara

>>93377313
>Not sure what you wanted me to even refute though.
Why lie?

Also, he clearly meant the EU books. And even in Legacy, it's never implied that the big 3 died from anything other than old age, whereas Han was killed by his own kid in the disney canon, and Leia is being written out because the actress died.

>>93377313
yeah because of a story that takes place 100 years after the previous chronological story. Obviously all of the characters would be dead after 100 years. That's a retarded fucking argument.

>>93377334
Well I for one welcome our new ape overlords

>>93377368
This. Fuck the Maras forever, because FUCK the Giants. Go Cowboys.

>>93377255
God I love the B1s
They're so fucking stupid I love them
I'm so glad their clone wars versions are in BF2

>>93377370
>Why lie?
I'm not...? I just entered the conversation and was responding to something else, I'm not sure exactly what he wants me to refute about that other statement that I was never replying to.

>Also, he clearly meant the EU books.
He didn't specify if he did.

>And even in Legacy, it's never implied that the big 3 died from anything other than old age,
We'll never know for certain though.

>whereas Han was killed by his own kid in the disney canon, and Leia is being written out because the actress died.
And? What exactly is the problem with that? Again, I was responding to something entirely different before in my post>>93377166

>>93377379
>yeah because of a story that takes place 100 years after the previous chronological story. Obviously all of the characters would be dead after 100 years. That's a retarded fucking argument.
It's not an argument, it's a correction of what you said.

Again, I don't know what you're wanting me to "refute" when what you said is basically just plain fact and not something I can really "refute".

You need to pose a question or make some sort of statement in regards to that

>>93377442
rude desu
Playing dumb is never a good look.

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>>93377391
This poor child has strayed from the light.

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>>93377358
fuck me you're absolutely right

at least The Last Jedi could still be great and I have faith in Rian, but everything afterwards is fucked

>>93377358
Well we already know Leia's going to be in The Last Jedi, they already shot all of her scenes. If she dies, it's either going to be a rewritten scene near the end of the movie, or offscreen between 8 and 9.

>>93377456
I think he's making a joke because Kate Mara's dad I think owns the Giants, or at least co-owns. I don't know a lot about football but I read something about that on her wikipedia page or something recently

>>93377478
>I think he's making a joke because Kate Mara's dad I think owns the Giants, or at least co-owns.

Nah, they own it. It's pretty much automatic in all of the Mara's film contracts that if the Giants go to the superbowl or someshit that all production for whatever they're working HALTS so that they can attend.

I read that about them years ago when Zoom came out and I've loathed them ever since.

>>93377531
Rooney strikes me as less of an entitled bitch than Mara.

>>93377158
One is canon and one is not. Anyone who wastes time reading something that isn't canon is an autist. It literally doesn't matter.

>>93377605
Nayrt but I think you can enjoy things outside of canon. They just don't matter.

Is there no fun allowed at all?

>>93377605
Hopefully bait, but either way that's like saying that The Dark Night literally isn't canon to the DCEU so it doesn't matter.

A good story is a good story.
Remember that before there was a Star Wars canon there was just one man' goods story rolling around in his head.

>>93377615
>They just don't matter.
What does this even mean?
A story, canon or not, is comprised of a series of events that matter within said story.

http://www.jwrinzler.com/blog
http://www.jwrinzler.com/blog
http://www.jwrinzler.com/blog

J.W. RINZLER TELL ALL
"The Rise and Fall of Star Wars"

>>93377645
They're canon to the story, but they don't matter to the canon of the Star Wars universe. If you can enjoy them while accepting that, what's wrong about it?

they're fanfiction

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>>93377651
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>>93377651
tl;dr literally nothing, come back friday

>>93377651
I get the feeling this won't really amount to a juicy tell-all so much as just Rinzler's perspective on how things went down. We'll probably learn a few things but I don't expect any massive bombshells.

Also probably won't be able to elaborate on a lot of the stuff from his cancelled Making of TFA book.

>>93377016
>>The best EU books are currently better than anything in canon.
>EUDF bait


How the fuck is that bait when it's true you stupid cunt?

>>93377651
>comcast
>sony
Dodged a fucking bullet

>>93377651
this should prove interesting.

>>93377720
>Also probably won't be able to elaborate on a lot of the stuff from his cancelled Making of TFA book.
I'm in it for this. Hope he divulges at least a little.

>>93377720
The man had access to most of the internal LFL archives. He obviously has more than just his perspective.

I'm guessing Making of TFA probably raked Abrams and possibly Kennedy over the coals for it to get cancelled.

>>93377699
>>93377720

he said every monday, wednesday, and friday he'll update it with a new post and that it'd end with December 31st 2015, which I think was when he got fired and the Making of TFA book got cancelled, so I'd be surprised if he didn't talk about it.

Plus the "Lucasfilm employees were never afraid to criticize Lucasfilm" or whatever the exact quote was seemed to imply he wasn't going to pull any punches.

At the very least this should be interesting regardless and give us info about the behind the scenes stuff during the prequels, since we only got Making Of books for the OT.

Can't believe they cancelled the TFA book and fired Rinzler but they're coming out with a Making of Rogue One book in October, despite being way more tight lipped about what happened with Rogue One's production than anything about TFA's production save for Lucas' original treatment, but even Pablo has made it seem like people blow the treatment way out of proportion and that it was only like a brief outline for Episode 7 and nothing past that. Plus it was only written to make Disney want to pay more for Lucasfilm since they'd think he was going to make the Sequel Trilogy regardless of them buying the company. Lucas himself said that.

>>93377799
Anything that embarrasses Abrams will get a look from me. God I hate Abrams so much. He is secretly the worst director in Hollywood, and his biggest work of movie magic has been to convince people he's good.

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>>93377815
>and give us info about the behind the scenes stuff during the prequels, since we only got Making Of books for the OT.
Rinzler wrote an RotS making of book though.
Got it right next to me. It's a good read.

>>93377817
okay you can get away with saying he's a bad director but you will never be able to convince me that he's worse than Bret Ratner. He's not even the worst director of the Sequel Trilogy (looking at you, Trevorrow)

>>93377815
>Plus it was only written to make Disney want to pay more for Lucasfilm since they'd think he was going to make the Sequel Trilogy regardless of them buying the company. Lucas himself said that.
Source on Lucas saying that?

>>93377831
Brett Ratner isn't even that bad, he's just meh.
X-Men 3 is fine.

>>93377831
Oh, but he is. What makes him truly awful is that he's actually talented, but he uses his talent specifically to make Godawful movies. Every single one of Abrams' movies are trash that sacrifice any attempt at telling a good story and crafting good characters for moments meant to tug on our lizard brains and pander to our sense of nostalgia. He's a cheap, cynical charlatan that manipulates his audience like a fucking supervillain. Fuck him.

>>93377831
Hey Ratner directed the Rush Hour trilogy and those are some of the best cop buddy movies ever.

>>93377828
yeah I read that but I couldn't remember if it was a Making Of book like the others or a concept art book like the one Rinzler did for either Episode I or II. Regardless it still wasn't as extensive as the Making Of books for the OT, but those were released a few years ago and the RotS one came out around the time of the film's release.

>mfw we almost got young Han Solo on Kashyyyk giving Yoda a piggyback ride and helping him find a cave where the two of them found a way to contact Qui-Gon's Force Ghost. It even got to the point where concept art was made for young Han Solo and storyboards of that sequence were done. I can't believe nobody said it was a bad idea.

God I'm so fucking glad George decided it wouldn't fit for time or whatever the reasoning was. I don't think you'd be able to find a way to defend that being in the movie if it was.


The idea that Boba Fett would be walking outside in Coruscant when Mace got flung out the window and Boba would see him, step aside, and quickly shoot him before he hit the ground made me laugh pretty hard when I read it, but I don't think it was meant to be funny. I'm gonna go look for the book now actually, thanks for reminding me about it.

>>93377845
you just described most modern blockbuster directors though. None of that is specific to Abrams.

You guys realize you sound like the people who always used to say "George Lucas raped my childhood!" and shit like that back when the prequels were coming out, right? I'm not defending Abrams, but you guys are acting like how /pol/ acted about Clinton during the election. Relax.

>>93377869
>>mfw we almost got young Han Solo on Kashyyyk giving Yoda a piggyback ride and helping him find a cave where the two of them found a way to contact Qui-Gon's Force Ghost. It even got to the point where concept art was made for young Han Solo and storyboards of that sequence were done. I can't believe nobody said it was a bad idea.
I mean, I like that idea. The only problem is that it conflicts with Han's whole skepticism thing.

>>93377888
>but you guys are acting like how /pol/ acted about Clinton during the election
Shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about libcuck

>>93377907
false flag
Highly doubt you're the guy he replied to.

>>93377888
>but you guys are acting like how /pol/ acted about Clinton during the election
You mean laughing at how she was going to lose?

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>>93377845
>be me in 2013
>watch Star Trek: Into Darkness
>leave the theater pissed off because it's just a load of The Wrath of Khan references without any of what made The Wrath of Khan actually good
>be me in 2015, watch The Force Awakens
>leave the theater pissed off because it's just a load of A New Hope references without any of what made A New Hope actually good
>somehow I didn't see that coming
I was dumb, but I'm not making that mistake a third time.

>>93377897
yeah the inclusion of young Han Solo was my issue, not Yoda finding a way to speak to Qui-Gon's Force Ghost. I should've clarified that. I would've liked if Yoda did meet his Force Ghost in the movie, though. Whenever I rewatch it and Yoda and Obi-Wan are on Tantive IV at the end and Yoda is like "btw you can talk to Qui-Gon's ghost" it catches me so off guard every single time. I wish the movie established that beforehand or at least hinted at it better, because the way it just comes out of nowhere makes me feel like the movie was almost finished shooting and Pablo or someone reminded George that he forgot to mention Force Ghosts throughout the prequels and that people would probably be asking about how Yoda and Obi-Wan became ghosts but not the other Jedi so George was just like "oh shit right yeah" and quickly added it at the end. I doubt it went down like that, but it really just comes across like that.

>>93377930
lul
I feel for ya.
I do think Into Darkness is slightly better than TFA though.

>>93377888
>you just described most modern blockbuster directors though. None of that is specific to Abrams.
It doesn't make it not true. I don't think he's the absolute worst director ever but he's one of those people where once you realize he only has a few tricks up his sleeve it's hard to enjoy what he does. I can't see him as anything but a Spielberg knockoff with none of the charm.

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>>93377950
?
I love how it goes down in the film.
I first saw RotS when I was 7, and learning the news WITH Obi-Wan was amazing.

It wouldn't have had the same effect if the audience already knew IMO.

>>93377950
>I wish the movie established that beforehand or at least hinted at it better
To be fair Qui-Gon was actually going to get a voice over cameo in a scene before that. When Yoda is meditating on Polis Massa, we were supposed to hear him speak to Qui-Gon before Bail enters to get him.

Not sure the exact reason Lucas cut that but I think he felt that wasn't the right place to put a scene like that and just never found another place to put it that didn't break the flow of the movie.

>>93377978
I think it works very well when we find out the news at the same time Obi Wan does.

>>93377951
>Into Darkness
Maybe a bit more entertaining. But it missed what makes a Star Trek movie a Star Trek movie fucking bigtime. Which is astounding, considering it's almost a shot-for-shot remake with the big plot twist reversed

And rendered fucking useless in the five minutes after

>>93377930
>cue music
>anon makes another mistake

>>93377996
Yeah, it's a bad movie. Bad it's not as bad as TFA is what I meant.

>>93378006
I don't know. It hurt a lot more than TFA did to me, but maybe that's because Wrath is one of my favourite movies ever. The fact that the death is fixed not five minutes after it happens soured the movie for me. A lot.

>>93377996
It was the fucking writers. Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci wrote super-blood plot devices in like another two or three movies after that

>>93377978
Yeah, I can see why that would've been an awkward place to put it. At that moment the audience would be invested in what just happened on Mustafar and a few minutes later they'd be invested in the birth of the twins. Having a "hey Yoda I learned how to keep my consciousness I'm gonna show you how too!" scene right in the middle of it would've been weird.

Plus the scene works better silently, since it gives Yoda a contemplative moment and the audience a chance to breath.

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>>93377651
>sony almost had Star Wars
Fuck me, could you imagine?

>>93378044
are you the anon I talked to about this a couple weeks ago?

I don't know how you fuck it up when it's basically handed to you, shit.

>>93377987
IMO it'd work if there was any resolution to it, like a scene where Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon speak for the first time since Qui-Gon's death, similar to what this guy said:
>>93377978
But with Obi-Wan instead of Yoda. That would actually be a really powerful scene, with Obi-Wan basically confessing his failures with Anakin to Qui-Gon, and Qui-Gon interrupting him and reminding him that he was fulfilling a promise to Qui-Gon that he made right before his death, and then maybe inspire Obi-Wan to actively protect Luke on Tatooine and not to blame himself, and so then there's some emotional build-up and context to the final scene of Obi-Wan giving Luke to Owen and Beru, instead of us feeling something in that scene because we already know what it means because we saw A New Hope. If you've never seen the original trilogy that ending is probably confusing as fuck since we barely get to know Owen and Beru in Episode II and it's never explained how Obi-Wan knew who they were, why they would take the baby, why them, etc. It'd be poetic with the trilogy starting and ending in a way with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan talking, and much more of a optimistic ending than the one we have with the good guys losing and no real ending to Anakin and Obi-Wan's character arcs.

>>93378063
This bitch is just delusional.

>>93378093
>and no real ending to Anakin and Obi-Wan's character arcs.
You are aware that there are 3 more movies after that right?

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>>93378093
>If you've never seen the original trilogy
really makes you think

>>93378107
well yeah, but the prequels and the original trilogy are two separate trilogies, and with two individual stories that are connected through certain characters, locations, and other stuff. I forgot where I was going with this

>>93378169
>with two individual stories
no
The original trilogy is the second half of the movie.

>>93378169
Go to bed, Anon.

>>93378175
Yeah, but that wasn't originally the intention.

>>93378175
then why do we treat them as 2 trilogies instead of 1 group of 6 films (or whatever it'd be called idk)

>>93378132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVrIyEu6h_E

better than thumb wars every way

>>93378093
>and it's never explained how Obi-Wan knew who they were
This got me thinking for an explanation and I have one that satisfies MY autism at the very least.

There are two options.
A. Anakin at some point talked about his family on Tatooine to Obi or Yoda
or
B. He never told anyone but Palps, who we know knows about the Sandpeople incident.

So either Yoda and Obi know about Owen, OR they don't know that Shmi is dead and mean to send Luke to Shmi, only for Obi to arrive with and track down the Lars farm.

It works either way IMO.

>>93378190
Neither was Vader being Anakin but that was retconned in Empire so hey.

>>93378192
Because you can't make a twelve hour movie and take 30 years doing it?
They're like chapters of a book.

I'm going through KOTOR 1 and 2 again due to nostalgia and god I forgot how much I loved these games.

Are there any indications of them at least having some partial canon?

Outside of the Revan model that was never used and Malachor, which technically should've been a bunch of rocks floating in Legends.

>>93378216
I think Anakin would've opened up about Shmi's death. Obi-Wan already knew he'd gone to Tatooine anyway, even though he was supposed to be on Naboo (well technically supposed to be with Padme), so Anakin probably would've explained something, while leaving out stuff like the slaughter.

>>93378257
>Are there any indications of them at least having some partial canon?
No.

>>93378257
there was a very, very vague potential reference to Revan in the Anakin & Obi-wan comic. But it can just as easily be some other Jedi.

The Selkath are also canon, but the KOTOR stories as a whole will never be back.

>>93378267
>>93378216

There's also that Padme could've told them. She was, at the least, friends with Obi-wan.

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>>93378093
>>93378216
>>93378267
The implication from the conversation is that Yoda/Obi-Wan(at the very least) knew that Anakin went to Tatooine and that he had family that existed there.

"To Tatooine. To his family, send him."

>>93378257
>KOTOR
>Are there any indications of them at least having some partial canon?
There's no such thing as "partial canon". KOTOR, like the rest of the old Expanded Universe, is no longer canon.

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>>93378345
I know, i'm just playing devil's advocate and wondering whether that could be looked at as a flawed scene in that it wasn't necessarily set up that they knew about his family.

I'm personally fine with it, but I always try to look at it from the perspective of objective filmmaking quality, because that's why people claim to not like the PT.

>>93378345
"Partial canon" in the sense that Republic Commando is partially canon as Delta Squad appeared in The Clone Wars.

>>93378345
Some parts could retroactively be canon. Like Dash Rendar's ship, and most famously Thrawne.

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Does anyone else here come from a religious family (I'm not personally religious) and sort of associate SW with christian rock?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk9Pj3ID0UE

>>93378418
No
even when I was religious at home I knew christian rock was shit

>>93378371
gotcha, I see where you're coming from

>>93378394
>"Partial canon" in the sense that Republic Commando is partially canon as Delta Squad appeared in The Clone Wars.
Again, there's no such thing as "partial canon". Republic Commando is just plainly NOT canon. Delta Squad is canon, but the game and the books are not canon at all, not in the slightest.

Parts of Republic Commando and the book series COULD become canon eventually(though obviously a massive chunk never can simply because of Traviss's Mando bullshit) but right now they are not.

>>93378401
yes but that's something else entirely called re-canonization.

>>93378442
Eh, I like some of it. Switchfoot is pretty good.
The song I linked it good IMO.

I mostly like it because it's not fucking cnyical so like much shit everywhere these days.
I can take the cheesiness if the upshot is that I hear optimistic stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcrEVFZOXs

>>93378401
>Like Dash Rendar's ship

The Outrider isn't canon, just that model of Corelian freighter.

>>93378475
They specifically meant it to be The Outrider.

>>93377394
FU people like you don't deserve the right of existance with such obvious brain defects to think something like that.Phantom menace voices or attack of the clones voices for droids; nothing else do you hear me! try to understand a little quality instead of pure crap.

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>>93378517
>They specifically meant it to be The Outrider.

And yet still, it isn't the Outrider. The only canonical YT-2400 light freighter we've seen in star Wars is called Sato's Hammer.

>>93378534
>if they're down here sir, we'll find them
I like the voices.

>>93378548
I mean, it not being the Outrider is dependent on you taking "canon" as something set by a media conglomerate as opposed to the CG artist who made it and put it in there.

>>93378517
Incorrect, the YT-2400 was designed for the Special Editions. Because SOTE was in development at the same time, the ship was used there and one was given to Dash Rendar

>>93378597
prove it you fucking honkey

>>93378579
>t not being the Outrider is dependent on you taking "canon" as something set by a media conglomerate as opposed to the CG artist who made it and put it in there.

Lucasfilm went and made the thing for canon. They say it's not the Outrider, then it's not the Outrider. Just because you want it to be the Outrider doesn't mean that it's so.

>>93378617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlpvQhH58X4&t=4m1s

>>93378579
Why should I have to suffer time and again because of people like you and is it any wonder why I don't take part in this world any longer. Those clone wars voices sounds like something a child would create and not a very charistmatic or bright child. So many things I like, so much treasure turned to trash because I don't know maybe the world has a agenda against me and likes seeing me suffer. Am I the only one left that remembers what quality was like? its like the whole world is saying get out and die already so we can cater to this new brand of idiot.

>>93378743
pls b b8

>>93378619
>>93378644
ree

>>93378534
>FU people like you don't deserve the right of existance with such obvious brain defects to think something like that
Ow the edge

>>93378534
>>93378743
Are you underage or just mentally handicapped?

>>93378796
>Are you underage or just mentally handicapped?

Neither. He's clearly just shitposting.

>>93378534
>>93378743
*tips fedora*

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>>93376966
Live-action Aphra should be played by Chloe Bennet.

>>93377255
This begs for Ancap ball image

>>93378800
So both?

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>>93377255
What book is this?

>>93379085
>hipsters.webm

>>93377466
you know, after rogue one, I think disney might seriously consider inserting a CGI leia with a minimal role in 9. If they do it right it could be a tasteful farewell to carrie.

>>93380237
They should just recast her. Having a CGI double or Carrie 'Crackwhore" Fisher really limited the potential of the character especially since it was established in ROTJ she was a Skywalker like Luke.

>>93379085
Which episode?

>>93380397
The Ryloth arc IIRC

>>93380438
Thanks

The Star Wars Show didn't cover the Han Solo story that broke this week...bad press?

>>93379035
I still think Mila would do a great job, but yeah the likeness is there too.

>>93379035
Aphra should never show up in live action.

Let her stick to shitting up the comics.

Luke is fucking Aphra as we speak

>>93380286
She looked no worse than Luke

>>93376071
She is STICC

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>look for Rebels art on Tumblr
>find this

Ron Howard is stepping in as the new director

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-movie-ron-howard-steps-direct-1015674?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

>>93381648
Solo confirmed for kino.

>>93381648
Ehh...

>>93381701
>muh edgar wright

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>>93381645

>>93381701
This is literally the closest they could get to having Lucas direct except Howard is actually good with dialogue.

>>93376632

those nails

>>93381648
They're better off just restarting the whole thing with the new director and releasing it at a later time. How are they going to manage half way through filming?

>>93381486
Looked? You're right, she looked fine. How she acted was another matter entirely. Face it, man, parts of her were basically paralyzed. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

>>93381744
>>93381719
Okay, what am I missing with the guy then?

Convince me he is the right choice for this, because I skimmed through his IMDB and nothing stood out to be as him being perfect for this movie.

(I did notice that his humor wasn't "childrens movie quips"-tier, which means the rumors about the replacement being due to the movies poor action and overabundance of quips is seeming to be more true)

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>>93381648
Best outcome. Howard oscillates between the servicable (Da Vinci Code; In the Heart of the Sea) and the good (Apollo 13; Rush). He's not a quipmeister. His movies are always comfy.
I am gladdened. This is a positive change.

>>93381810
He's the guy that directed Willow, which is a story from George. Plus George wanted him to make The Phantom Menace back in the day. He basically knows how George would want Star Wars to work while being backed up by Kasdan writing Han's dialogue to be similar to the sarcastic humor he had in the OT.

>>93381810
Dude, he directed Apollo 13. He's won a fucking Academy Award for Best Director. He is arguably the best director ever to direct a Star Wars film with the POSSIBLE exception of Lucas himself.

>>93380927
Why would they cover only the negative side of the news? The new director wasn't announced at the time of the episode going up.

>>93381856
>>93381901
Alright, you both sold me.

Especially;
>George wanted him to make The Phantom Menace back in the day

This is George's story idea, so it is even more important to have someone close to Lucas who would put the appropriate care into the movie.

I noticed Lucas seemed a lot more uncomfortable when people take his ideas and fuck them up. That's why he directed the Prequels himself when his few top picks turned him down. That's why he didn't like TFA, but was happier with Rogue One. Rogue One was someone elses story idea, so he just got to enjoy it as a fan, rather than see how someone had fucked up his vision.

So if Lucas trusts this guy with his world and characters, then I do.

I am hoping that they will be doing reshoots, and maybe even some re-writes. I wouldn't mind the movie being delayed, although they still have a lot of time. I want to see Ron's entire take on the movie, not his best attempt to damage control.

>>93381851
>>93381901
When I was a kid, Apollo 13 was my favourite movie right next to Star Wars. And now I live to see them combined. Truly it is a time of wonders.

Howard is the perfect choice. He can get a really humorous, understated performance out of an actor without it turning into Tony Snark kooky shit. Best outcome, it'll be kino. Worst outcome, it'll be an ultra-comfy pillow-fort movie. Either way, we win.

>>93381851
Rush any good?

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>>93381014
I don't know if you are that guy for whom Aphra is "everything wrong with modern Star Wars", or if you're just butthurt that your precious Legends action figure will never happen because Aphra rightfully won that poll, or if you simply hate fun, but either way, cry some more.

Aphra is one of the most popular canon non-movie characters and so far the only one to get her own comic series. And she is stealing best boy. Deal with it. She has appeared in Force Arena and is likely to appear in other, bigger projects.

>>93382006
Yeah, definitely worth your time. It's the (true) story of an intense rivalry between formula-1 drivers. Came into it not giving a damn about racing, but Howard can make you care about anything.
One of those rare movies where Chris Hemsworth isn't underused and gets to do more than look beautiful and broody.
Funnily enough, when I was watching it, my mind kept turning to Vader and Obi Wan. You'll see why, I think.

>>93381988
>I wouldn't mind the movie being delayed
You'd think they have to delay it

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>>93377358
>I'm so glad that Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connolly (who aside from being Trevorrow's co-writer also wrote this years classic film Monster Trucks)
delete this
fuckers are ruining my favorite character

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>>93380986
Mila doesn't look half-Asian enough to be Aphra.

>people think Trevorrow won't be fired if he does a shit job after these two memers got the boot

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Really makes you think

>>93382118
BWAHAHAHA!!!

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>>93382356
Oh wow

Yuuzhan Vong

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>>93382418

>>93382356
>>93382409
HAHAHAH WHAT? QUALITY FUCKING WRITING

>>93382418
Dark Greetings, shitposter.

>>93381851
>>93381648
Trying so hard not to make an Arrested Development joke here

>>93382445
He (Triple-Zero) is right, you know

>>93382035
Aphra is GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
deal with it waifufag

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>>93382492

>>93382492
>Aphra is GAY
as soon as this is confirmed, thats when >>93382035 suddenly declares aphra is everything wrong with modern star wars

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>>93382526
I have absolutely no problem with gay characters in my media.

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aphra a shit
not just her but her edgy droids and the wookiee too

>>93382556
She is a little bit... Mary Sue-ish. A lot of the new female Star Wars characters are, honestly.

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>>93382556
CHELLI A CUTE

>>93377255
Seriously, anon, what is this from?

Normally Ron Howard directing the Han Solo movie would get me excited but the fact that 90% of it was filmed and they haven't changed the release date at all just makes me feel like he's directing it as a favor to his friends and isn't really invested at all.

>>93382598
I want an I <3 Boop shirt with her face all over it

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>>93382465
Man am I ever glad I threw up the first chapter of my Star Wars/Arrested Development fic last week before this announcement. Shame I hadn't finished my fanart of the Knights Of Ren as pic related, though.

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>>93382666
Don't call her that, she hates it

>>93382629

he's there to pick up the pieces, film the unfilmed scenes, re-shoot other scenes to be less quippy and hopefully make something coherent.

Honestly though it was three weeks before the end of shooting. It's fucking unheard of to remove a director (or directors in this case) that late in the game. Something must really be wrong with the movie as it currently stands

>>93382706
Even if the problems were with Lord and Miller's direction, I can't help but see it as a huge botch for Kennedy and Kasdan. How do you decide so late that you don't like how the film is coming out? How can it take you that long to realize there's a problem?

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>>93382623

>>93382722
Well the rumors are saying that Lord and Miller were literally adding quips on the fly, as well as encouraging improvisation.

Supposedly Kennedy took a look at what was filmed so far, and was shocked to see that the action pieces were incredibly mediocre, and the footage included lots of added comedy that wasn't in the script. One rumor suggesting that L&M had completely portrayed Han out of character, which is a very big deal. The whole reason the Lucasfilm Story Group oversee everything is to main continuity, including keeping characters in-character. The would have approved a script that would have been in-character for Han, it's up to the directors to bring it to life.

So to discover that L&M were literally adding shit on the fly without anybody knowing would have been a big red flag.

It's sounding like the Han Solo movie was looking to be MCU-tier, so even though it was so late in production, Kennedy had no choice but to find a replacement director.

I'm betting a lot of the extra shit they added is going to be cut or reshot.

>>93382782
But like I said, how do you figure that out so late? These guys are comedy directors. They made fucking Clone High. What did she expect? She knew what she was getting when she hired them.

>get handed keys to the kingdom with insanely popular franchise

>get fired because muh creative freedumbs

JUST

>>93382782
>One rumor suggesting that L&M had completely portrayed Han out of character, which is a very big deal. The whole reason the Lucasfilm Story Group oversee everything is to main continuity, including keeping characters in-character. The would have approved a script that would have been in-character for Han, it's up to the directors to bring it to life.
Where the fuck was Kennedy when JJ was shitting on everything but the OT and purposely ignoring the Story Group?

>>93382849
TFA had bad boring shit in it but none of it took a dump on how the characters are portrayed and act, despite persecuted fans thinking that Luke having a failure = WAHH DISRESPECT

>>93382870
JJ changed the opening crawl without LSG knowing about it, almost shitting on the worldbuilding that LSG was created to maintain in the first place. Why was Kennedy okay with it?

>>93382821
She might have expected versatility, talent, and a willingness to get the job done right. Instead, she found the modern day "comedian."

>>93382821
I think she just expected them to stick to the script like usual. Directors obviously have some creative leeway with the script, but the rumors are suggesting that they turned Han into a quipster to rival fucking Starlord. And Han was never someone to make quips like that. He is a funny character, but not because he makes literal jokes.

So Kennedy sat down to watch what they had, and saw all this extra "comedy" that wasn't in the script, as well as disappointing action pieces. Remember, we're coming off from Rogue One which had a huge battle and some really exciting and creative use of Star Wars iconography in new action pieces. You can't just go back to marvel-tier quips to distract you from shitty action. Especially with a character like Han Solo, which people already have mixed feelings about.

>>93382827
Creative Freedom should be allowed to an extent, but not at the expense of the entire legacy of a character that an entire company is in charge of maintaining and protecting.

>>93382849
>>93382905
Kennedy is head of Lucasfilm, but Lucasfilm wasn't entirely in charge remember? Kennedy (at the request of Speilberg, who truly thought JJ was a good choice) allowed JJ to have more leeway with his own company, Bad Robot.

Kennedy, while I am not particularly fond of her, IS a long-time friend of George Lucas, and I believe that she was not happy with TFA. She'll never admit it of course, but I was even more convinced of this at Celebration this year. Like Pablo, she was heavily praising Rogue One for telling a new story that took risks in the Star Wars universe. I never saw that kind of passion from her for TFA beyond "female protagonist is good!".

The fact that Kennedy feels that the Han Solo movie is worth overhauling with a new director so late in production IS a good thing. While it is worrying that the movie is going to be a mess, this is at least telling us that Kennedy doesn't want the Solo movie to end up a hyper-active mess like TFA.

>>93382821
>comedy directors = being uncooperative and doing things incorrectly

4chan is actually starting to make me sympathize with companies and corporations a little more with the amount of outright fucking cocksucking anonymous people will perform on directors and actors without knowing how they actually behave or act on set.

>>93382905
>>93382849
They very much weren't ok with it, as was made clear following the release. The thing is, they allowed JJ Abrams to take over the whole thing more or less by making it a co-production with his shitty studio, bad robot. He kept them in the dark as part of his contract and released a shitty product typical of his ilk, which absolutely infuriated pretty much everyone at Lucasfilm. He burned them pretty bad and Disney is burning him in return; he'll never work for them ever again. They aren't going to make that mistake a second time, if a director isn't playing ball, his ass is grass.

So it's basically impossible that the Han Solo movie is still going to release next May, right?

>>93382556
>mouthing off in front of the Emperor
Explain why she's not a smouldering, charred corpse.

>>93382952
Obviously it's case to case. Companies and studio heads have fucked things up in the past.

But it's also true that Directors and Actors can cause trouble. Especially when they're contributing to a huge multi-media, multi-billion-dollar franchise where there is literally a group of people hired who's sole job is to make sure everything is in-character and in-continuity.

Then some quiplord directors who's claim to fame is Lego show up making a mess of everything. A mess of this huge character, a mess of George Lucas's story idea, a mess of what could be a platform for the future of the entire character in books, comics, vidya, and maybe even other movies.

So yeah, if things are as bad as they sound for Kennedy to want to replace the directors, then it sounds like maybe L&M were really screwing it up.

>>93382952
Symptom of the times. For the past 50 years it's been nothing but "muh corporations are ebul >:(((" but repeating that mantra doesn't make it so. We've seen way too many times where people are granted independence away from the influence of their supervisors only to consistently produce an insultingly terrible product. It's why I've stopped blaming EA for their shit games; they have awful business practices, but the fact is the studios they own are full of no-talent hacks that couldn't tell a good game if it bit them in the ass. From Bioware to Battlefront, it seems to be consistent messes from their subsidiaries that they have to pick up and damage control. I'll have more sympathy for the "little guy" when he proves himself deserving of it.

>>93382993
I'm going to bet that it'll be back to the December release. Honestly, I am not sure how I feel about that.

We have annual vidya releasing in fall, alongside Rebels, and the annual movies. I really like how much Star Wars stuff we get in the winter.

But at the same time, if we move the movies to the summer, they could cash in on the people who supposedly refuse to watch the new Star Wars movies in the winter (IE; Nobody) while having to compete with other blockbusters. BUT this would also mean that Star Wars would be releasing new content every single month of the year, be it vidya, cartoons, or movies. We would never have the period in summer where we are left with just comics.

How the fuck did Luke blow up an entire moon's worth of people in the Death Star and not go to the dark side?

I bet Sheev would kill for a chance to kill that many people at once

>>93383075
because dark side/light side isn't a fucking video game morality slider you inbred brainlet

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>>93382952
>sympathizing with fucking Disney of all companies

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>>93383075
>how the fuck are Americans not evil for nuking Japan???
t. weeb

>>93383033
>It's why I've stopped blaming EA for their shit games; they have awful business practices,
>but the fact is the studios they own are full of no-talent hacks that couldn't tell a good game if it bit them in the ass.
This.

Studios like EA and Disney have done shitty things. And I am sure they will continue to.

But that doesn't mean the creators underneath them are guaranteed to suck. It's better to take things case-to-case. Dice/Motive/Criterion have a valid shot at making Battlefront 2 a great game, despite EA.

And at the same time, it is also worth looking into how much the creators themselves are shit, as opposed to EA. A lot of the worst shit in the Battlefront 2015 game came straight from Dice's ass.

Content and creators should be judged case-to-case, but by what their boss has done in the past.

>>93377950
You can hear Qui-Gon's spirit trying to call Anakin in Yoda's meditation as Anakin is slaughtering the Tusken Raider camp in Episode II. So it was definitely a factor by then, but it would have been another bit plot material stuffed into an already relatively complete story. The Prequels have a lot going on in them narratively, and what couldn't be told within the constraints of a two hour films was put into The Clone Wars. Where the OT was simple and straight to the point, that of the PT was much more multifaceted - political corruption leading to a galactic war all spun by the ancient enemy of the Jedi Order who would later be revealed to have been spiritually compromised the whole time? That's a lot of story to tell. What story that was told may not have been to everyone's palette, but it was realistically the only story that could be told in movie format.

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F R A N K
P A L P A T I N E

>>93383075

Very dumb question

>>93383099
I sympathize with Disney more than two dumbasses who wasted their chance to make a billion dollar movie

>>93383075
Killing for the sake of killing is what leads to the dark side. Luke was very easily brainwashed into the whole "empire is evil, rebels are good, death star is bad" mindset that helped him destroy it in good spirits and avoid it.

>>93383178
You are too quick to apologize for Kennedy, Kasdan, and the Story Group. This whole thread is. They are thread that unites all the problems the new Star Wars films have had in production. They meddle too much. This is especially a problem with Star Wars, which for good or ill has always been grounded in Lucas' personal vision. The Story Group can try to maintain that vision, but at the end of the day they're not him. I would honestly rather them realize that, loosen up, and let their directors actually flex their creative muscles.

>>93382993
Nah
It's apparently mostly finished. It only had a few weeks left of filming left.
All it needed was someone to put all the pieces together.
And Ron Howard is a good corporate automaton.

I'll be done

>>93383075
>the Force literally guided the torpedoes to destroy the Death Star
>The Force did not want the Death Star operational