Hypocrites of /co/, Come On Down

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>>93365807

Because he's gotten some good stories over the past few years?

>>93365869
This. I don't know what OP is talking about. Maybe he's confusing Carnage for Venom

I like Carnage as a counter to Venom, but he's a pretty shit tier villain for those gamer guys who think "Psychopaths = better villains"

I like Carnage because his motivations are 1 dimensional but Cassidy himself is fun and funny.

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>>93365992
>>93365953

Completely one-dimensional psychopath villains can be great if they're executed in an entertaining fashion.

>>93365807
I don't. Carnage is a sad relic of the extreme 90s and is best forgotten.

To be honest, I want to see how they can build a franchise around Venom. Will he fight Carnage in the first film, the Scream in the second?

Carnage has his appeal. He's not a fantastic villain by any means, but there's nothing about him that really bothers me. This isn't me defending Sony, the movie's very likely going to be horrid but I doubt Carnage will be the reason why. Well, unless they go the Raimi Venom route with him.

>>93365807
?

/co/ loves Carnage ever since at least Carnage Man.

>>93365807
I recall the majority of people here criticised Batman for killing in BvS, There's just a very vocal minority of people here who defend the DC films feverishly. Pretty much every super hero film gets fucking torn apart by most posters on /co/. Also I like Carnage but he'll probably be fucking awful in the films.

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>>93366030

Maybe the second movie would be about having to deal with a bunch of symbiotes? I agree though, making a whole franchise out of Venom without Spider-Man ever factoring into it at all seems weird.

>>93366030
First movie is about Brock and Carnage, second movie is about Flash and Mania, third movie is a team-up where Brock becomes Anti-Venom and they fight off all the second-tier symbiotes.

I've always liked him but that's because I remember once thinking maximum carnage being a good story. Though one of the first single issues I ever bought with my own money was one where carnage molded with the silver surfer, I liked the concept but that should've been far more terrifying than it turned out.

>>93365996
the right half of the right panel would be a good reaction image

How do you set up Venom and Carnage in a single movie?

I really believe this is just Sony blowing smoke up everyone's asses pretending they've got all these Spidey films in the pipeline to inflate their buyout price because they keep losing money.

I don't really get what the issue w/ MGTOW is or why you'd characterize them as losers

I'm a successful attorney making $400 per day, am top 5% physical fitness (placed top 3 in marathons, bench 70 lbs over bodyweight, ripped abs and lean muscle), charming & charismatic, have slept w/ dozens of women, in a loving long-term relationship right now... and I respect the hell out of MGTOW, they're realistic about their circumstances and have taken a rational approach to coping with them

You guys seem envious that they have the fortitude to just walk away from it all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>93366100
>>Second film completely changes main characters and adds a really minor sidekick

...really?

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>>93366155
it was a sexy look though

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>>93366219

Anon, I think you might have the wrong thread. Or maybe the wrong board.

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>>93365807
I've always hated Venom and I grew up in the 90s. I played the shit out of Maximum Carnage when it was new unlike most of the underages here.

Carnage is a worthless character that is directly spun out of Marvel making the mistake of turning Venom into an anti-hero in a sad attempt to cash in on his popularity.

>>93365807
Carnage was good in the recent cthulhu-style series. Other than that, he's shit. Minimum carnage was easily the worst shit I had read at the time.

>>93365996
at least he's trying, that's a start

>>93366170
>I really believe this is just Sony blowing smoke up everyone's asses pretending they've got all these Spidey films in the pipeline to inflate their buyout price because they keep losing money.

It makes me question how the Spider-Man franchise will even work from now on. In the future films, you don't have Venom, Black Cat, Carnage, Mysterio, or Kraven, and on top of that, the villains those characters will fight in their films. What's left?

>>93366248
>Anon, I think you might have the wrong thread. Or maybe the wrong board.

Nah, the question stands champ

>>93366258
I meant to say Carnage, not Venom.

Venom is okay, but he does have Mr. Freeze levels of "we can only really do one story with him". Carnage is terrible.

>>93366248
See, that picture is why I like the Venom/Carnage dynamic. Venom is a huge brute who physical strength his way through fights, where Carnage is slimmer and stabs his way through things.

It's been years since I read Carnage's origin and shit. Was it even a good story?

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>>93366289

I agree with your general premise, but I don't understand what your post has to do with /co/ or symbiotes or even Sony movies.

>>93366262

Hydro Man? Scorpion?

>>93366337
something something symbiote
something something venom
something something kill everyone

>>93365807
Not excited despite being a HUGE symbiote fan. If anything this'll be the movie equivalent of Costa's run, and no one of taste wants that.

>>93365807
>pretend
No, I've always liked him. I'm not a fan of him in the movie though going by the leaks..

Part of Carnage's draw is that despite how serious you're suppsoed to take him, he's goofy as fuck, and funny as a result.

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>>93366307

I like how they're both perversions on Spider-Man's design. Venom is this big hulking monstrosity, sort of like what Spider-Man might be if he looked as strong as he actually is. Carnage is basically taking the Spider-Man suit and Peter's natural lanky, athletic frame and exaggerating it into a more spindly, unnerving form.

Well, that's typically how I prefer them to be drawn anyway. It varies a bit from artist to artist.

>>93365807
I've loved him since Maximum Carnage, you all can suck my dick

>>93365807
it's like calling your movie captain America civil war but it's really just an avengers mov... oh wait.

Plot details for the movie.

Eddie Brock is still a disgraced journalist, but rather than the Sin Eater he was duped by Cleetus Kassady, and Kassady was brought down by Detective Jean DeWolff rather then Spider-Man himself. Kassady was also a killer-for-hire for mob boss Silvio Manfredi.

Brock finds out Kassady has been moved to the privately-funded Ravencroft Institute and breaks in to investigate why, as he's obsessed with getting revenge on Kassady for ruining his life. As it turns out, Kassady is being used in experiments conducted by Dr. Miles Warren to weaponize an alien symbiote that has been recovered from a crash site by their benefactor (OsCorp). Shit goes wrong, and Brock bonds with the original symbiote while Warren's "clone" bonds with Kassady.

Kassady becomes Carnage and essentially goes on a blood-soaked murder rampage, hellbent on toppling Manfredi's empire after Manfredi betrayed him. Brock grappes with the changes in his organism and a telepathlic link that allows him to sense what Carnage is up to.

Warren's assistant Ashley Kafka finds out about the whole thing and reaches out to help Brock. They fall in love as Ashley helps Brock overcome his issues and become Venom in order to stop Carnage while both are being hunted by both Warren and DeWolff.

Mac Gargan is featured as the leader of OsCorp's private military unit, armed with sound-based weaponry, and we also get Robbie Robertson as Brock's old editor at the Daily Globe, and Robbie Farrell as Brock's street-wise informant and friend who gets killed by Carnage. Frankie Barrison also appears as Kassady's psycho junkie girlfriend, while Patrick Mulligan is featured as DeWolff's partner.

Spider-Man is not involved in the plot at all, but there's a passing reference to him. Just the bare minimum to establish that he might exist in that universe. Warren atributes the symbiote's spider-like abilities to having assimilated characteristics of a "previous host".

>>93366042

Carnage is the Joker concept where the immunity is at least explained.


"We tried to execute the psycho, but it's really in the blood now."

But it is a sad relic of the 90s. Which is why he'll make a good punching bag for an anti-hero like venom.

>>93366064
It's because that minority is loud and garners attention, so the ill informed and naive assume it is the majority.

>>93365807
You are a bit dim arent you? People defend Batman killing BvS because the movie makes it out as a BAD THING and is intentionally commenting on how he killed in previous movies.

>>93366337
yeah, simple but pretty good. Cassiday is Venom's cellmate while Eddie's suit is gone. Convicted fellon. The suit comes back to break Eddie out and leaves it's offspring in the heat of the moment.

From then on it's basically a crazy serial killer with issues, with tons of power. So he hijacks a rock concert to get people to get violent. The whole thing is completely silly.

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>>93365807
Carnage is great you fucking faggot

>>93366293
I dunno the time he and Vengeance fought the predator cyborgs was fun.

>>93366516
it's shit

>>93366168
wow anon thanks for gracing us with an insight everyone on this board had 4 years ago or whatever, whenever AXIS came out

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>>93366536

Speaking of which...

Of course, this page seems a bit ironic these days.

>>93366168
It's been a common reaction image for the past 3 years, newfag.

>>93365807
I have always liked Carnage though.
I liked Maximum and I liked Carnage USA.
Superior and Minimum were bleh imo.
Planet of the symbiotes was meh.
I loved Conway's run.
And I loved Carnage in Axis (him and Hobgoblin were the best parts of the whole event).
And I liked Carnage trying to mess with Nova.
And I liked monster Carnage from the Ultimate comics and the death of Ultimate Gwen was intense. Ultimate Gwen becoming Gwen-Carnage was a neat idea but went nowhere (just like MJ as Demogoblin).

>>93365807
I never liked Carnage. The only time in his entire history that I enjoyed him was when he went Axis, because he finally had a character beyond "MUH MURDER"

Also, a Venom movie without establishing him as a major Spider-Man villain is fucking stupid. Brock is a perpetual victim, and him becoming more of a heroic figure needs to reflect on him realizing that he is responsible for his actions. But that can only happen if you actually establish him as a character first.

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>>93366258
>"I'm a 90s kid so I'm an expert >:)"

Fuck off fag. No one gives a shit about you or your shit opinions. Carnage is great.

>>93366516
>Venom is essentially a hero

why will he and Spider-man fight? Why would he hate him?

I feel like throwing carnage out as the first villain is a waste

They should rename him to Carnival. It's more fun.

>its a STR vs DEX movie

>>93365807
>Carnage and Venom with no connection to Spider-Man
I hate Sony so much....

>>93366809
It is. But it ain't like the movie will get a sequel.

>Not making Brock deranged
>No twisting everything to the point it looks like a nightmare
>Not making the big reveal that the "evil" monster is actually Spiderman

>>93366941
Brock was never that far off the deep end, that's Moonie territory mate.

That being said, I still wish it was a cold open from Brock's prison break. That way you could still keep Carnage's origin story intact, and you could have Venom's hatred for Spiderman still be a thing, with a lead in into a homecoming sequel.

>>93366293
Venom does not have that problem, honestly neither does Freeze, writers just suck nowadays. Also Carnage is great, you'd have to not have read any of his goofy idiot adventures to not like him. Like the time he downloaded his symbiote to the internet to strangle people.

>>93365807
His axis arc was hilarious

>>93366778
Because Spidey is a weenie, and Brock killing bad guys would make Uncle Ben cry.

>>93366919
Are we sure Spider-Man's gonna be completely absent from the movie? If so I agree with you, but we barely have any details to go on here.

>>93367491
Marvel almost certainly made it a condition of their leasing of Spider-Man that he couldn't be used in any other cinematic projects.

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>>93367373
I would like to see that

>>93366307
Carnage is stronger than Venom though
It's just that he likes stabbing more than punching

>>93365807
Carnage is the good symbiote though.

He's had great stories for well over a decade now. Mind Bomb and It's a Wonderful Life were fantastic. All his solo mini's since he got Sentry'd have been entertaining. His solo book was brilliant.

Carnage has a way bigger selection of "must read" titles compared to Venom. If you actually read comics rather than shitposted about them, you'd know how happy people are with modern day Carnage.

>>93368330
>His solo book was brilliant.
I think you need to calm down and reassess the concept of what brilliance means.

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>>93365807
Have they cast him yet?

I nominate this guy, pretty good psycho in Get Out.

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Anyone know where this scene is from?

I'd imagine it's from the "Carnage and Cthulu funtime adventures" series, but I'm not sure
How's that end, by the way?

>>93366750
Shut up, worst generation. Your opinion is the worst of all and is immediately invalidated.

But Carnage always was better than Eddie Brock. Everyone os better than Trashie Brock.

There's a venom movie?

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>>93366692

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>>93368883
Minimum Carnage. A Scarlet Spider/Agent Venom team up.
It ends with Kaine stabbing Kasady through the head with a stinger, making him a vegetable

>>93365807
I liked Carnage as a kid because of his design so he still has a soft spot for me, but this whole Venom solo movie seems like a bad idea and liable to be a dumpster fire.

>>93369207
good work

>>93366516
Please let this shit project die for the 3rd time.

Sony pictures is so fucking incompetent why can't they just let Marvel make their movies for them.

>>93369207
Can you shoop out the girl but keep the text?

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>>93365807

I have always liked carnage. Though I think making him a villain in the venom movie is dumb as fuck. It makes sense..... in a way. Heroes almost always fight someone with the same powers. Still, Id have prefered A maximum carnage movie. Carnage is a good "final boss" for spider-man.

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Going to commandeer this thread while I post some Carnage. If anyone wants me to stop just say the word.

>>93369266
also Kassidy got better because the symboite bonded with him to a molecular level or some shit

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Sin Eater up in this bitch! Fuck yeah!

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Every time I see "Carnage Rules", I get flashbacks to the game Maximum Carnage and the theme by Green Jelly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnihYENjC8

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Axis was such a cool concept. More characters should have been left inverted.

>>93366516
All of that is completely fucking stupid. The only aspect of that that isn't garbage is Miles Warren making a defected Symbiote Clone. The rest is literally In Name Only shit, ASM2 style.

Sony needs to fucking end.

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ha

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Glorious

>>93366516
Source?

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Oh shit. This ain't the Sin Eater I'm used to.

>>93369605
Alright, lemme drop some symbiote knowledge on you sucka fools. Carnage's symbiote wasn't even his symbiote. The original one he called "red" and was supposedly not a dick and would nag him not to kill allegedly died at the rockshow.

When it came back it was devoid of the other, and what was left had become Kassiday's blood, like you said, bonded at the molecular level. Anytime he bled, he could become carnage. After his original "died" he also became immune to sonics, and fire wasn't as bad to him, but the writers forgot.

Then later some hack wanted to write Eddie as a shitty half baked villain again, and so Venom snuck into a secret facility and ate his symbiote somehow despite that not making any sense and contradicting what had come before. So then Carnage got another suit from the negative zone, for some reason, instead of just ignorring that shitty story.

Because the suit is bonded to him a tthe molecular level, hes got wolverine tier regerneration, and so does brock. He's also stronger than brock, but no one rememrbes that and now Venom is weaker than spiderman for no reason.

Basically there's a history for these guys, but nobody cares about or respects previous established works.

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>>93369808
I care. This iteration of symbiotes reminds me of how they were portrayed in Spider-Man Unlimited. Once the host has bonded they can morph their bodies in ways that would destroy normal humans but they're fine. Also the extreme regeneration makes sense for Kasady but how does it work for Venom? Same way? Also how is Flash not dead after losing the symbiote? I thought it was established that he had been bonded so long he literally needs it.

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Cool shot.

>>93365807
I liked him in AXIS

>>93369913
It always made sense for Kassiday, made even more sense for Brock when he became Anti-Venom. The problem is, they establish cannon and then some shithead goes "NO THATS NOT HOW IT WAS WHEN I WAS WANTIGN TO WRITE IT" and they ruin everything.

Flash insofar as Remender's run didn't need it to live, but he did suffer withdrawals. Eddie did too, a lot, I vaguely remember it nearly killing him. It also happened more often than not though. But then it's Mike Costa writing it, the faggot who literally does not deserve a job. The man who made the symbiote a whimpering little bitch and had his self insert rape it because he's so hardcore.

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I didn't know vainglory was even a word. Learn something new every day.

>>93369971
Right back atcha.
I would have preferred that have died at the end of Axis. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy Conway's Lovecraftian Carnage, but I loved that Kasady realized once everything is "back to normal" he'd go back to doing what he does best so he would rather sacrifice himself than go back.

>>93365807
>Just like Batman V Superman and how /co/ defended Batman killing (before previously attacking the Burton films for Batman killing people)

....

What?

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>Carnage-Man
I'm dying

>>93370102
But then we wouldn't have him coming back to murder Sam Nova for being his friend. He gets pretty twisted about everything, no idea if he wanted to be the hero or not. When you get right down to it, Carnage is to be pitied.

OP can't understand that there are both people who like Carnage and people who dislike Carnage on this board. Typical faggot OP.

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>>93365807
>>Just like Batman V Superman and how /co/ defended Batman killing (before previously attacking the Burton films for Batman killing people), /co/ will now pretend they always liked Carnage despite always calling him a 1 dimensional psychopath Red Venom

I remember /co/ being divided on how they felt about Batman's no killing. Some were okay with it while others were vehemently against it.
I was fine with it because this is an elseworlds Batman. He supposedly regained his no kill policy after Superman died but I remain skeptical .

Also people have liked Carnage for a long while. Read more comics and visit /co/ more often.

>>93370221
>>93370221
>OP can't understand that there are both people who like Carnage and people who dislike Carnage on this board
It's almost like /co/ isn't just one person but a group of individuals all with drastically different opinions about characters.

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>>93365807
>despite always calling him a 1 dimensional psychopath Red Venom
>took red venom meme seriously
How autisc are you ?

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Fucking stellar way to end an issue.

>>93366351
Scorpion would be cool. Maybe the spider slayers hunting down Spider-Man as well?

>>93365807
>>He doesn't know how Carnage temp died for our sins and got an awesome statue

Go bait elsewhere.

>>93365807

>Golly, Billy! You mean there's more than two people on /co/?

I've always liked Carnage, I just hope we get Agent Venom at some point.

>>93370221
>>93370315
>>93370448
Seriously, of all the boards to treat as a single entity /co/ might be one of the worse choices.
.

>>93370468
My man. Spitting some mad truths.

Is Sony still cucking the MCU from having any symbiotes?

>>93366030

I hope the whole film series isn't just "Venom fights symbiotes."

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>>93366258
>played the shit out of Maximum Carnage when it was new unlike most of the underages here.

Tell us tales of old, oh you magnificent First Wave Milennial, you. Do you still keep your pogs collection?

>>93366071

Venom - Venom takes on Carnage.
Venom Two: The Venomming - Venom takes on Hybrid, the children of Carnage! Introducing Scorn as the love interest.
Venom III: Anti-Venom - Venom fights Toxin. Anti-Venom is never mentioned.

>>93366100

If they use Mania in the film's, I will actually kill myself.

>>93366024
The 90s were better than current year

>>93369141
Kek I'm probably older than you, faggot.

>>93366219

Nobody cares, dude, you didn't even post in the right place.

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>>93365807
Who wins?

>>93365807
I don't and Im irritated that he's in the movie. Though, it's not surprising at all. In fact, it's the most expected thing ever. I have no idea why people are shocked by this news.

Unless they cast Walton Goggins, this tests my faith.

>>93366516
Nice fanfiction, Anon.

>>93366778

The symbiote wants to go back to him?

>>93366516
i would just want to see this for the mess that it would be, this is literally another spider man movie but with a venom replacement

>>93371049
Not if it never bonded with him first.

>>93365807
You certainly worked hard to set up that strawman, now if only any of the shit you said made any fucking sense.

>>93366219
>I'm imaginary cool and smart!
>Can't post straight though.

>symbiote without black panther

>>93370726
>Kek
Most likely not, idiot.

>>93366778
Peter freakd out over the symbiote being alive and ripped it off. He didnt realize venom wanted to help and was doing it through its alien view of morality. Venom continues to fight evil but resents spiderman for rejecting him because he cared to much. Its possible to hate one person and not be a homicidal maniac

>>93371592

You literally said the era you grew up in, I'm gonna hedge my bets he's got a decent idea what his age in relation to yours is.

>>93365869
Recc me some carnage kino

>>93371200

>Warren atributes the symbiote's spider-like abilities to having assimilated characteristics of a "previous host".

>>93365807
love how OP compares a known killer psycho to Batman like they are somehow the same

A more accurate example would be if Carnage had a no kill policy for some reason and actual stuck to it while Batman and Superman kill

>>93370427
>>First film is Vulture
>>Second film is Scorpion
Confirmed for lamest Spider-Man franchise.

>>93371991

What the fuck are you on about

>>93369515
Carnage is the best final boss for spiderman. The result of peters worst mistake, indulging in his power, made manifest in a way that can totally ruin everything he strived towards. Carnage can take almost anything from peter easily and is more than willing to. Hes like the joker but with enough power to actually warrant being a threat to a supersquad without forcing people to job for the plot to work.

>>93372008

Vulture played by fucking Michael Keaton... it's another universe, don't get hung up on your preconceptions about the characters.

>>93371937
I'm gonna hedge my bets on you being a cocksucker of the same terrible generation of that faggot and him being a lying cunt.

Venom v Carnage
>venom is calm and collected, driven by logic
>carnage is serial bruiser, never kills anyone to prove a point about the state of healthcare
>they team up to fight toxin, an ancient symbiote possesing a corrupt cop
>everyone does a jesus pose

>>93372086

Alright, you do that, enjoy your obvious personality disorder.

>>93366778
peter sent the suit mixed signals, part of peter's psyche is that hes an edgy guy who tries to laugh out his anger. The symbiote took his school shooter anger as a natural facet instead of a character flaw and tried to empower peter to act on his nature. Peter became terrified of himself and projected his self loathing into blame because without the suit peter was able to keep himself under control. The symbiote didnt understand why its host rejected it so it decided to lash out.

I don't like Carnage or Venom. They are both extremely boring one-dimensional villains who became popular solely because they are both visually interesting. And yeah, I really like the design of the characters. Occasionally a good writer gets their hands on them and writes a fun story featuring them, but for the most part they are edgy uninteresting caricatures.

This doesn't mean that I am automatically opposed to anything featuring the characters. I think they both have potential and maybe somebody can do something interesting with them.

>>93372068
Yes, I'm sure James Spader, Eccleston, and all the other MCU villains agree he'll be well done.

>>93372275

Point, but Michael looks like he gets to actually act in this from the trailers, unlike Eccleston.

I don't think either of them are an acting match to Keaton, though.

>>93372145
You would know, fag.

>>93366071
Who's that on the back? He looks cool

>>93366071
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if they wrote the movie keeping Spiderman's presence, but as a shadow that torments Venom for both having ruined his life as well as beating him. Or maybe in this AU Venom managed to kill Spiderman in his quest for vengeance and with nothing left to do he's taken up to become a hero.

>>93372396

Anti-Venom. Also Eddie.

Mac Gargan as Venom did the "psychotic retard with a symbiote" gimmick way better than Carnage ever did.

>>93365807
I don't care what anyone else says. Carnage is a great villain.

>>93365807
>/co/ defended Batman killing
Only the DCEUfags do this.