Is Plastic Man really as powerful as the internet says he is?

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Yes.

Yes he is.

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>>93348684

>>93348780
Nobody ever shows PM doing anything amazing, just scenes where people are saying how powerful he is.

>>93348684
Really just depends on comic/writer. All characters have had some universe shattering moments, and have jobber like little bitches. Batman is a startling example of this.
>Destroys white Martians
>gets fucked by Joker

>>93348824
>catwoman
jesus, Miller is okay at drawing borders but god don't make him detail anything

>>93348780
>those quality bants from Batman in the second panel

is he one of us?

>>93348780
Isn't that guy really powerful too

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>>93348827
That is kind of the point. He has skills of a master thief that is able to change size of his voice box to mimic anyone language.

He has near invincibly due to his body makeup and special molecules that has yet to be explained (The forge is doing that now).

Its the Deadpool scenario. Able to kill everyone due his unique skills but unable to get his life together to make anything happen with those skills and unique attributes.

>>93348827
He did some neat things in the comics on a regular basis, but DC is spectacularly terrible at using and reprinting characters who weren't from the OG three companies that formed it, so you wouldn't have read it.

Though powerlevel faggotry isn't really what Plas should be popular for.

>>93348684

Yes and no. Writers have no sense of scale so you get situations like soldiers dying from an arrow attack while atop a massive 500 foot wall and in the grim dark future we have such terrible wars that leave a hundred thousand dead.

>>93348780
A burn so sick even Firestorm is going to need a burn heal

>>93351601
How can he surprise the flash? What about that thing about attosecond thinking that was posted countless times.
Is DC just inconsistent?

>>93351814
That attosecond line is stupid anyway. Every character needs to job every so often. Here is one of Flash's. Also it's Injustice, the main league are nothing like their canon selves except maybe Batman.
>Is DC just inconsistent?
Well fucking duh, it's cape comics.

>>93351814

Out of all the superheroes the Flash suffers the worst from writer's just slapping whatever powers they need on him.

>>93348824
This physically hurts to look at.

>>93348752
Everyone has fought a giant monster.
>>93348780
Conjecture
>>93348824
Conjecture

>>93348780
wow that was rude

>>93351814
He also had an entire fight in less than a single picosecond, disarmed a machine in a picosecond, reacted in a femtosecond, picked all the bullets in a war before anyone could die etc.

Then he gett tagged by pretty much anyone, writers simply don't read comcis

>>93351814
its injustice. Nothing is consistent, nothing makes sense.

>>93351583
firestorm is pretty strong, somewhat near the green lanterns power level. But he is lackluster compared to top tier heroes like superman.

>>93352391
>injustice
please let him be a fighter

>>93351601
Never knew Plastic Man was anything of value. Never thought he was anything more than a goofy somewhat stupid powered hero. And I consider myself a big comic fan. Not sure how I feel about knowing he can do all this now...

>>93352601
I really don't know why he isn't on the roster. He has such a big role in the comics and canonically survived. Seems strange not to have him apart from difficulty with animation.

>>93352737
>Wah Plastic Man would be hard to animate!
>Dhalsim has been around since 1991
The MK guys are a bunch of hacks, what else is new?

>>93351583
When he has his classic Alchemical abilities he should be fantastically powerful. Hell the series where that scene comes from shows off some of his capabilities.

>>93348684
Batman had him locked up frozen because he was too powerful.

>>93352285

>writers simply don't read comics

Or maybe, just maybe, they "forget" these things because if they adhered to all the stupid bs flash has done in his comics nothing interesting would happen sans the times he's fighting another speedster or some stupidly OP entity.

>>93352391
Firestorm could beat Superman with kryptonite.

>>93348824
Why do people give Bendis such a hard time for his dialog when Miller was doing it a decade before him?

>>93348684
I hate when they drag Plas into power level faggotry. He's too good for that shit.

>>93352639
He's the closest thing to a toon force user in DCU.

>>93348780

I like the love/hate relationship Batman and Plas have. Plasticman is the redemption that Batman always hopes to find in criminals. They're just polar opposites that respect each other.

>>93351583

At one point Firestorm was considered potentially the most powerful being in existence because if his matrix goes nuclear he can take out all of existence. Usually he's just really strong but held back by his inexperience.

>>93352865
Can Dhalsim turn into a bicycle, pogo stick or balloon?

Can Dhalsim slip his entire arm into someone noses to knock them out?

Dhalsim is you typical stretchy guy. PM is so beyond much more beyond that.

>>93348684
For some feats, Plas went toe to toe with Fernus who one shotted superman and easily beat the whole league. He survived 3000 years on the ocean floor in little pieces. Circe magically turned him into a pig and he just bounced back.

>>93352180
That's not just some random giant monster. It's Martian Manhunter, powered up, insane and with his weakness to fire removed. He easily took down Superman, but he couldn't beat Plastic Man.

>>93351814
Flash ever losing a fight, or even being hit at all, by a non-speedster makes zero sense. But it happens all the time because it would be boring if Flash were as invincible as somebody with near-infinite speed by all rights should be.

>>93353061
But Superman knows this, so it would be a quick raw. Can Superman defeat Firestorm before he can make kryptonite? Yes. Easily.

>>93353404
That's what happens when you don't retcon silly silver age stuff to meet with today's sensibilities. Flash is too overpowered to make him work at the same level as most other superheroes so they always have to come up with bullshit ways for him to act like a retard.

>>93348684
Why was he so terrified to even attempt taking on Superman in Injustice? And he also admitted that he cannot handle the pressures of the bottom of the ocean.

So there is some admitting that he cannot take kryptonian level characters.

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>>93353904
Where the fuck did you get any of that? Bullshit, all of it. He didn't fight Supes because he didn't want to fight Supes, he wanted to get his son out of Jail and beating Supes wouldn't have done that. I recall nothing about "pressures of the bottom of the ocean".

>>93354267
His narration covered both those things several times

>>93353904
>injustice

Nuff said. Despite papa Taylor writing a fun and fucking insane story the characters and powersets are never accurate to mainline DC.

>>93354280
Yeah? Do you have a page to prove that? I don't own the comic so I can't go check but I'm pretty sure his only concern in the comic is his ability to break into the prison at the bottom of the sea once he got there.

I do know that Plas is a coward at heart though, so just because he easily beat Supes in a fight doesn't mean he'll actually want to fight him.

>>93354325
*just because he COULD easily beat

>>93354325
Actually several JLA members talk about how Plas is incapable of reaching his son because the undersea pressure is too much for him to handle.

>>93354343
They speculate that sure, but then he does it.

>>93354358
He steals a sub then teleports out

>>93352639

Boy, this doesn't begin to describe Plastic Man. People forget that he's basically a secret A lister. Dude had four seasons of his own animated series and almost got his own adult swim series. When he showed up for thirty seconds on the Super Friends, it was a big deal FOR THE SUPER FRIENDS. Shit, Baker's run is probably one of the best comics DC ever put out, if not the whole medium.

"Plastic Man is the most powerful member of the justice league" is usually said half jokingly. But only half.

>>93354379
Alright, I went and checked the annual. Cyborg thinks that Plas can't survive the pressure. Then Plas literally dives down to the prison. You are 100% wrong.

>>93348684
if both ware written as competent, how does he beat Superman? a Green Lantern?

>>93354427

Plas wouldn't be nearly so big a deal if people took him seriously. But his powerset is literally to be able to deform himself in any conceivable way while never dying. He's been shot, stabbed, burned, decapitated, the works, and he just kind of shrugs it off and keeps going. The only real obvious weakness he has besides stuff he can regenerate from is having a limited color palette while shapeshifting. But all he has to do is put something over his body and that's basically solved. Even then, he CAN do it, it just takes effort.

>>93354488

Superman is easy. He just sneaks into the fortress of solitude while Superman is away and disguises himself as Supes's cape. Then he just takes an opportunity whenever it eventually comes up and Superman is fighting somebody else.

GL's are easy. He basically just needs to soak up whatever gets thrown until they're out, then hit them with whatever he's got.

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>>93353245
It won't be an exact representation of his powers, but a Battletoads style moveset could give him some justice.

>>93351814
I think it is something he has to basically activate. Like imagine if you were thinking at that speed all of the time, you would go fucking bonkers. I am guessing that brief moment of being startled is your only window of taking the guy out since he doesn't have some kind of willpower that doesn't flinch. Once he is over that flinch though, well it is all over for you.

At least that is my way of handwaving it away.

>>93354572
The only way I could see that being given some kind of representation in 3D games would be if he was comprised of several models, basically one would have to rig and animate him so that when moves like that fist thing are used are if a model is brought in during an animation sequence and scaled.

>>93352285
That was Wally anyhow. Injustice is Barry and a shitty weak version of Barry at that.

>>93353814
They did retcon it. After Crisis Wally couldn't go faster than the speed of sound.

It just crept its way back in because once you've told a hundred slow Wally stories you want to tell some fast ones.

>>93354936
You do know that a a Battletoads character is in 3D fighting game right now right?

>>93354974
>After Crisis Wally couldn't go faster than the speed of sound.
I know, but I meant to say that it reverted back to silver age tardness, Barry included.

>>93351814
>How can he surprise the flash?
He was subtlety feeling up the Flash while they were talking. Flash only noticed once Plas already had his tendrils inside him.

>>93352865
>implying that developing Plastic Man as a Dhalsim knockoff wouldn't be a grave injustice

>>93352180
>Everyone has fought a giant monster.
As far as I can remember Consintine never did. Then again I have yet to finish hellblazer.

>>93353045
This. Flash as anything more then a guy who goes fast was a fucking mistake.

>>93354974
Well yeah. Faster then the speed of sound is fine but there still needs to be a limit past that.

>>93348684
Plas needs a weakness I think. No a kryptonite, because thats dumb. But something to make him slightly less terrifying.

I'd have it so his plastics get brittle at extreme temperatures, say, -80 to ~900-1400 degrees, depending on what form he takes. So if he shifts into a more robust blocky form, he can last longer in intense heat than stretched thinly.

It puts him in the top tier still, but lets a few select individuals (Superman for one) able to balance him out.

>>93351814
Flash has to activate super speed perception, though it'll trigger if something like a bullet starts touching him, Plastic Man was more subtle.
Someone like Quick Silver, who is in speed mode all the ti

>>93354936
Orrrrrrrrrre you just code a larger hitbox to coincide with the larger limb.

No different than when a fighting game character whips out a sword or shoots a projectile.

Hell, Crash is currently a character in Killer Instinct and his bendy cartoon proportions work totally fine

>>93348684
"Powerful" is relative when you're a comic book character being written by the hacks over at DC and Marvel.

>>93351814
see >>93357861

People keep going on about how strong he is but he is bested by a low level telepath/telekinetic or anyone with elemental powers

>>93348684
No,. not at all. It's a terrible meme started because the general belief is that if a character isn't OP then he sucks. He's a great character but DC is misusing him.

>>93348780
In this scene, Plastic Man is disgused as a button going DEET

READ COMICS AND FIND OUT

>>93357895
>bested by a low level telepath/telekinetic
He's specifically immune to that stuff, so no.
>elemental powers
Like what? Second post he's fighting a giant fire monster that beat the rest of the League, and ice is only a temporary solution.

>>93351814
>Is DC just inconsistent?
welcome to capeshit

>>93356987
He already has some weaknesses tho. He is weak to extreme temperature changes. And Acetone. You can get a litre of his own personal kryptonite for 10€ at you local furniture supermarket.

>>93353814
Meh, a good writer could just add drawbacks to his power.
>Going to fast can get him lost in the speed force
>no more time traveling without the cosmic treadmill
>no more time travel anyway because cape writers are too dumb to use it right
>entering "speed mode" requires him to concentrate for a minute or so before he enters it
Shit like that. He'll still be able to do what he does but he won't be OP 24/7 just a few times and you can spend the following arc or two showing how he's recovering after going a million times over the speed of light unlike now where he's always moving at the speed of light and is never tired and is never damaging the surrounding.

>>93348780
How did that happen?

>>93353814
>>93358076
Remember when Barry was like, I'm being shot, let me just stand here and think about all the ways I can avoid this situation and then defeat the bad guy.
And then he got shot.

>>93348684
Well he's confident to fuck with Injustice Supe so i guess he is pretty powerful

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Yes, he is.

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>>93358627

>>93358139
YO HO HO HE TOOK A BITE OF GUM-GUM

>>93358627
>>93358647
>supes could have avoided letting out his entire prison of dissidents if he'd just done this one fucking thing

>>93358805
> Supes has a prison of dissidents
> When the biggest crux of Injustice was whether or not to kill Supervillains
He's kind of an idiot and this will always bother me.
Heck by Injustice 2 he's killed more heroes than villains all to protect his right to kill villains.

>>93352601
Impossible. First, Netherealm doesn't do transfornations. They just don't. Second, he doesn't fit the whole gear system, and we can even say that shaders wouldn't even make sense. Third, the dlc characters are all already teased and no sign of plas. I mean, he could probably even be in Raiden's shilloute and NRS would just be trolling with us, then again, they DO NOT DO TRANSFORMATIONS.

>>93348827
He single handed made the Injustice universe regime look like inept morons.

>>93348780
Why is Batman such a bitch

>>93357979
>>93357895
Plastic Man was reduced to dust on a magically induced trip to ancient Atlantis AKA The Obsidian Age.

He survived as little more than mote sized bits of himself for the entire time he was at the bottom of the ocean, maintaining his relative sanity through imagined exploits and attempts to pull himself back together.

He then retired from being Plastic Man, excising a part of his own self to become a better father to his son... Which would've been permanent if not for the coming of FERNUS THE BURNING MARTIAN.

See, it turns out that a long long time ago, White and Green Martians were one and the same. Their psychic power so potent it manifested as a constant burning aura. After the Martians looked down on Earth and noticed the people would pretty much turn out as a planet of Supermen they fucked with humanity and lessened that potential.

Which is when the Guardians stepped in, shit stomped the lot of them, forced them into two separate beings and induced the almighty overriding fear of fire to prevent them from ever becoming that powerful again.

... Until J'onn J'onzz fell in love with a pyrokinetic and had a reason to overcome his fear.

Consumed by the ancient instincts and power that came with it, he utilized the whole of his abilities to crush one of the strongest iterations of the Justice League to be put to paper.

That is until Batman finds Eel O'Brien, convinces him to be Plastic Man again, and the pliable powerhouse, entirely immune to psychic attack, goes toe to toe with a being that can match his shapeshifting while also being as powerful as Superman.

God help the world where Plastic Man isn't a cartoon character in superhero tights. Because he'd be unstoppable.

>>93359703
Plas is one of the few that keeps him up at night. Imagine being Bat-"I have a plan to beat everyone in the JL"-man for a minute. Having plans upon plans for nearly every possible scenario.
Aaannd here comes Plastic man. Nearly godlike abilities and he treats everything like a goddamn joke. You spends weeks trying to think up a contingency plan for him but you simple can't find a way to beat him. Batman has every reason to fear him.

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Lets do a Plastic Man Storytime.

There is a character who is more powerful than him.

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>>93360513
Page 8 has nothing to do with this issue so story so I'm skipping it.

>>93360513
This is kinda sad...

>>93360444
>Beyonce
>Worthless without a Partner

BOY WAS THIS WRITTEN TOO SOON

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>>93353245
>Dhalsim is you typical stretchy guy. PM is so beyond much more beyond that

To be fair, Firestorm is basically a super-alchemist like from FMA, but in Injustice (and a lot of other media lately) he doesn't do any of that and is just a shitty Human Torch stand in.
While stretchy guy is a severe understatement for him, it still technically qualifies.
TL; DR: He doesn't have to be a pogo stick in order to have fun gameplay.

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>>93360766
i wonder what it must feel like to collectively shit yourselves when Batman suddenly appears in the room

>>93348684
You can't snap his neck, so yes.

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>>93360788

>>93354422
>Shit, Baker's run is probably one of the best comics DC ever put out
What issues? I wanna read it.

>>93356896
He doesn't need giant monsters to fight, all he needs is a bloody smoke.

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>>93360812
Plas is the perfect counter to Wonder Woman.

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>>93353904
The thing about Injustice is, if you take on Superman, even if your win, you'd still have to defeat the rest of his regime, which includes two yellow Lanterns, Shazam, Wonder Woman, and more.
Plas would get inevitably get worn down and defeated.

>>93360804
"Sudden Batman Syndrome"

Sufferers of SBS are oftentimes afraid to go into any room alone if it isn't fully lit. They will most often exclaim to anyone else in earshot "HE'S HERE! I KNOW HE'S HERE" without ever clarifying who they thing is approaching them.

>>93360871
>calling Captain Marvel Shazam
Why did people decide to revive this dead meme?

>>93351814
This is why I hate speedsters.

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>>93360870
The end. Hope ya'll enjoyed it.

>>93354504
>having a limited color palette while shapeshifting
He can actually change color, but he really has to concentrate to do it.

>>93356987
Plas is exceptionally weak to extreme heat and cold. A freeze ray could take him out.

>>93358739
my sides

>>93360913
Thanks anon, plastic man threads are always comfy.

>>93360973
Temporarily, anyway.

>>93360913
That was some damn good comics.

>>93360444

I like when they do plastic man, they get to basically write a DC spider-man that is a dick, and its great.

>>93360444
>elephant because why the fuck not
Goddamn I love plas

>>93361380
Someone please post the Reed Richards green text of him slowly losing his mind

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>>93361471

>It's been 9 years
>The FF has dissolved with cosmic-level threats now being quelled with dance-offs and quipping CGI people
>Sue Richards, clad in a stylish robe and thumbing through a skymall looks up from her bottle of wine and startles, seeing a man she only barely recognizes as her husband
>He wheels himself in, scar tissue and blood staining their hardwood as he proudly shows her that, after years of painful experimental surgery, magnetic enhancements, and a brief stint into quantum entanglement, his body now has 2 completely independently moving nodules of flesh which he can augment into rings for wheels.
>Mr. Fantastic can finally stretch himself into a fully-functional bicycle
>He smiles at her, feeling prouder than any moment in his life, including the birth of his child
>Suddenly Sue's robe begins to unwrap itself from her body, bending and slurping into a humanoid figure until it finally becomes a familiar source of unending rage for Reed
Jesus, what a horror show! Come one, babe, let's ride...
>Plastic Man morphs and molds around Sue's naked body, eliciting several giggles and a couple excited gasps.
>He forms into something Reed has never seen before and has no possible way of explaining.
>It's some kind of unicycle, but Sue is somehow suspended above the wheel, Plas forming straps around her sensitive areas to keep her suspended over it as she kicks herself off and out the door, laughing like a high-schooler being taken on a joyride.
>Reed can only stare, agape at the Plas-Fliz before toppling over, forgetting to lower the kickstand that used to be his penis

Does anyone else think that Plastic Man's had some of the best cape comics of all time, with the Jack Cole stories back in the Golden Age? They're still fun to read even now.

>>93358060
He's been neutralized with a non-stretchable coating before too.