What makes Star Vs. so liked but Steven Universe so hated here?

>No forced drama
>No pretentious ass lore
>Likable MC
>Tumblr, but not to the level that SU is
>Actual writers and not tumblr artist pretending to be writers
>No extensive crying scenes
>No fakeour shitty resolutions

>>93336390
SU's morals are weak, falsely sanctimonious, colored deeply by the Writer's personal politics, and espouse Steven's weakness as a virtue. Star vs. doesn't. Also, less filler, better pacing, and actually good consistent art.

>>93336390
Quality.

>>93336390
Star Vs artstyle isn't as repellent as SU's

>>93336390
Star is less chauvinistic toward males. In fact, it's fairy conservative in terms of morals family-oriented cartoon, as almost everything Disney makes, while SU is a full blown feminist shrieking nightmare.

>>93336493

Wanna know how I know you haven't watched SU?

>>93336390
Because the writing and directing in Star Vs is miles ahead of SU. Like take the characters for instance; the cast in Svtfoe actually progress and evolve into different characters as the series progress, while the cast in SU are either downgraded into shells of their former selves or reamin the same constantly bitching about the same flaws they had since S1

>>93336390
A volatile cocktail of autism and contrarianism.

>>93336505
Because I don't watch garbage?

>>93336390
The writing and characters probably.

>>93336422
>Likable MC

This. Steven is such a little bitch.

>>93336516

Well then I guess you're not the authority you claim to be on SU's content, then.

>>93336390
Star Vs has actual character development.

>>93336390
SU- Mediocre writers who want to create thought-provoking lore but then lack any follow through, pander to silly ass tumblr fans, underwhelming reveals and twist.

Star Vs- Writers that know what they want to do and actually deliver, minimal pandering for tumblr, minimal filler

>>93336505
Because his opinions don't match yours and /sug/'s?

>>93336390
Pandering to lesbians doesn't excuse how horribly executed Steven Universe

>>93336390

To summarize what a lot of people have been saying in this thread, it's probably because Star is more moderate in it's themes/characters/ and even fandom.

SU is kinda all over the place both figuratively in the show sense and literally with the fandom.

I'm not a fan of either show but I do appreciate how more mellow Star as a show/phenomenon is.

Both shows are overhyped by their fandoms though.

>>93336390
Because SU has been out for far longer.

The moment Star has been on for another season or another new show grabs /co/'s attention, they'll turn on Star. They always do.

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>Starfags

They can't stop hating us! Probably because their show is failing!

>>93336685
>muh victim complex

>>93336722
falseflagging should be a bannable offense

>>93336584

As a fan of SU, this, essentially.

SU is a good show but the fandom hypes it to death and treats it like something its not, and their raving of lesbian romance and inclusive themes, while not necessarily displayed in the show itself, really put new watchers off the show because they don't like that kind of baggage. Before people jump down my throat at my mentioning of "not necessarily displayed", I mean that the show doesn't show the themes Tumblr thinks it sees.

I like SU because its relaxing and I enjoy the style and the gem shenanigans. I don't care for shitty fandom drama. I'd imagine I'd enjoy Star vs, but it just doesn't strike me in the way SU does.

I'd say people like the main characters and writing more

>>93336727
Nope, just a pattern I noticed. Every single beloved /co/ show gets turned on in this board. You guys will find some flaw, blow it out of proportion, and shit on it while praising a newer show.

This has happened before, and it will happen again.

Steven Universe doesn't understand escalation.

>>93336516
>I dont know what im talking about, but I can parot memes. Plz think im cool.

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People who watch both shows on other sites overwhelmingly call SU better. Even Rick&Red, a review channel that lost like 10% of its subs for saying SU had a lot of filler and that GF was better admitted that Star just delivers less

This place is contrarian and they have no real reason for liking things. The reasons in this thread are very clearly bullshit anyways. Chauvinistic to men my nigga? Are we talking about SU?

>>93336390
I like SU way more that Star. It's pretty much just a chill show with lovely backgrounds and nice tunes to me.

The fandom is some fucking cancerous shit for both shows, though.

I just hate the characters in SU

>>93336844
>"""""characters"""""

>>93336790

And god forbid you try to have discussion threads on OLD SHOW when NEW SHOW is currently airing.

>>93336790
You're a fucking newfag. Name 5 shows this happened to.

>>93336390
Nefcy is a turbo autist just like /co/, which makes her /ourgal/ and the show ended up N O T being garbage like most expected it to be; almost like a red herring.

Star is Nefcy's idealized version of herself at 14, Starfan13 is how Nefcy actually was at that age, however Star is barely functional and more often than not commits a lot of mistakes by not thinking things through, it does feel like a coming to age story in which Nefcy shows how what we want to be is not always what we have to be.

To top it off there's cuckqueaning.

>>93336813
>ass blasted suMale

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>>93336817
Damage control.

>>93336882
yeah dindt the SU fandom make some girl kill herself?

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Nefcy
>posts art of Star in a "feminist" shirt
Sugar
>posts saucy art of the gems

Wow, really makes ya think!

>>93336506
I think the only character in steven that actually got some real development was connie. She actually transitioned into a fairly capable fighter. Now if only steven could do the same...

>>93336948

People always bring this up and, while its terrible, isn't an indicator on the show's quality. I'm sure we can all agree that the SU fandom is awful, but fandoms generally are and people really should stop using that fact to prop up arguments as to why SU is a bad show. The show itself has actual flaws, we can focus on those.

>>93336390
Cause unlike Sugar

Nefcy actually knows how to keep her animators in check so the characters stay on model for every single episode

The crying that happens isn't forced like SU

Plus Sugar could have kept Lapis and Peridot closer to the temple but instead she went back to square one by almost never having them show up all the time

>>93337006
fuck off, I was seriously asking

>>93336948
Also doesn't SU have some of the most vicious shipping wars? I remember like a year ago where tumblrs were just cannibalizing each other for some of the most benign stuff

>>93336862
1. Adventure Time
2. Gravity Falls
3. Steven Universe
4. Rick and Morty
5. Samurai Jack

>>93337015

Then the answer is no. But some artist "attempted" suicide over Tumblr which really speaks volumes of the maturity of both parties, really.

>>93336390
Star Vs is liked? It's just plagued by obnoxious shipperfags but most people outside the general agree that the show is nothing special. /co/ hates SU mainly for what it stands for and the people it attracts, the show isn't for anyone but /co/'s hatred for it has more to do with the people who like and praise it as something special than the quality of the show itself.

>>93337049
To be honest Rick and Morty always got shit on even on it's own threads, but it was a sleeping giant seeing as how fast the seasons went, they really turned it up to 11 with the april's fools thing and the constant youtube shilling on the following weeks.
Blame the players not the game.

>>93336390
Star is using its drama to expand and explore the universe it created.

SU decided no one cares about the fantastic world and races they created and decides to focus on normal humans instead of plot.

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>>93336390

Lack of focus.

>>93336390
Jesus the characters in SU are fucking ugly.

>>93337049
>Adventure Time
Ginuely went to shit

>Gravity Falls
Only started getting genuine hate during season 2B

>Samurai Jack
What new show came along? People only started shitting on it when Ashi became a main characyer

>>93336390
The MC isn't absolutely insufferable.

>>93336390
>Mouth movement independent from the lips

>>93336427
>and espouse Steven's weakness as a virtue

Yeah right.
The show makes it pretty clear that his empathy and pacifism don't work and are going to get him and everyone killed someday. Even his mom had to resort to violence.

>>93336493
How is Star vs. conservative in morals?
It's got a pantsy male lead, an aggro female side whose a magical princess and her mother runs what's basically a matriarchy. All the main villains are male sans Heinous.

>>93337160
>AT
>went to shit
that's, like, your opinion, man

>>93336745
It is fairly unambitious in its themes, has a focus on personal relationships rather than ideological conflict and works with magic insofar as it makes ots workings confusing and contradictory as to not lend itself to big reveals and theorising.
Development is limited and focuses on Star and Marco's relationship, or lack of one.

>>93336422
>No forced drama
They are literally making a young teen lady boner into a big deal, "I'm a 14 year old that thinks my classmate that I meet some months ago hot ohhh what now :DDDD"

>>93337160
>Ginuely went to shit
Nope it just pissed off shipper and lorefags so they fucked off to SU and then when that show pissed them off they fucked off to Star Vs

>>93337187
It's multiple people's opinion too

/co/ is more interested in shipping wars than good storytelling.

More at 11.

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>>93337194
>Development is limited and focuses on Star and Marco's relationship, or lack of one
pic related doesn't think so
and Tom too, and I guess we're getting Toffee soon too

>>93337160
>Ginuely
Alright junior, it's time to log off now.

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They're good shows Brent

>>93336862
Korra
Samurai Jack
Gumball
Loud House
Adventure Time

>>93336880
So you refuted his point by re-stating his very point thus proving him right? How clever.

>>93337238
that still doesn't make it a fact though does it?

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So it's basically "I can't distance a show from it's fandom"

Fandoms are a cancer that you should just ignore tbqh

>>93336422
You left out the two most important. No lesbian rocks and no fatass faget of an mc.

>>93337238
>multiple people

You mean shipperfags?

>>93337006
Except that argument doesn't really work in SU's case where they hired people from the fandom to work on the show

>>93336964
>Judging the quality of the shows by how hot the creators are

>>93337006
SU Fandom, the suicide incident aside isn't even that bad. Star vs fandom is leaps more horrible and toxic, it's a disgusting cesspool of bile that even /co/ doesn't want and the mods are constantly trying to control so it's toxicity doesn't spill over.

I'd rate it among one of the worst fandoms on here since the Equine one, it's really really hard to undersell how awful the Star vs fandom is.

>>93337259
Yeah

>>93337187

Nigga it was a boring slog of pretentious shit nobody could care about, remember Orgalorg? I fucking don't.

>>93337253
>Korra
This turned to shit in its first fucking season
>Samurai Jack
Season five was a legit dissapointment
>Gumball
Was never big here but most of /co/ agrees that its a solid show
>Loud House
Was never good and a lot of backlash is because of its fanbase

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>>93337194
>works with magic insofar as it makes ots workings confusing and contradictory as to not lend itself to big reveals and theorising.

In the first season I could see this in that the magic was often the "excuse" used to kick off certain plots.

Would no longer say that when the second season embraced the magic aspect of the show and gave its workings greater focus.

>>93337281
No, many thing S5 was a low point.
http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt1305826

>>93337296
Unless people are making enough threads to fill up 2/3 of the board or spreading it to other boards, then it's not as bad as the equine one.

You know what has done the first one of those though? Korra

>>93336882
I would actually dig it if pearl had the one true war machine as her signature weapon

>>93336565
Because Greg.

>>93337310
Yeah, I like THe Loud House, but primarily because it's the only low concept cartoon about just kids being kids on the air right now. It would fit right in with any after school lineup, and would have been completely average and forgettable if the current lineup wasn't so high concept across the board. Clarence is the only comparable show I can think of right now.

>>93337253
>Loud House

Nobody cares about that show. Also Korra went to shit as well.

>>93336390
It's the same autist pussies who were somehow traumatized by multi-colored horses and are now shaking in their boots at the sight of multi-colored rocks.

>>93337211
She's also potentially the most powerful thing in the universe and heir to a royal interdimensional empire. The entire theme rests on this contrast, how despite being what she is, she's also a dumb selfish girl with a lot of problems and teenage angst.

SU does this similarly but to a kid who is a heir to a rebellion opposing said empire instead of ruling it and with pacifism instead of horrendous Shakespearean character flaws.

>>93336790
I haven't seen anyone shittalk OtGW to any significant extent.

>>93336390
Fan base. Give it a while and Star will be just as hated.

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>>93336964
Why is her art style so shit?
Like, as growing artist myself I look up to artist that actually bring something new or interesting but her artstyle seems so dull and lifeless
No amount of flowy lines can cover up your shit talent

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>>93337341
>imdb

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>>93337310
>>93337366
>t. star fandom console wars faggots
I knew it was only a matter of time until Starfags threw the Loud House under the bus to protect their shitty show

>>93336948
It turned out some other girl basically orchestrated the witch hunt to settle a personal vendetta against the artist in question. It didn't just happen, it was deliberately cultivated.

>>93336506

But isn't that part of the point?

I much prefer Star VS but in SU a great deal is made out of the Gems immuteability. They cannot change, humans can. There might be no character development for Gems because they are simply unable to and that's a writing decision they made.

This is of course completely undermined by Lapis and Peridot and all the other Gems changing. So maybe they just have shit writing?

>>93336722
>1 hour special and 2 more seasons
>failing
Uh...

>>93337253
>Samurai Jack

I can't think of any new show that came to fill its slot, and to be fair season 5 did experience an absurd dip in quality about halfway through

>>93337387
Her old AT era art was pretty good.
Ever since she started SU she's kind of degraded.
Zircon is such a shitty generic design that wouldn't even have passed on Adventure Time.

>>93337430
Oh boy another upset loudfag, nobody cares about TLH on /co/ except pedos

>>93337430
>the Loud House is only ever relevant when it reaches for progressive points

Sad.

It's honestly SU's stop-start schedule that encourages constant shitposting.

>>93337393
Have a better metric for judging opinions of the show?

>>93337483
Objectively? Probably my opinions

>>93337483
Not using the same site that gave Korra an 8.6

>>93337430

Not a SUfag or Starfag here, nobody cared about your dumb show, the fandom are just people that wants to fuck the little girls and the most atention it got was this week when the lesbian episode happen.

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>>93337567
>the fandom are just people that wants to fuck the little girls
>Saying this in a thread about SU and Star Vs

>>93337472
Anon's not even wrong on this one. That tied in with the steven-bombs and the lackluster 'hype points' stirred the pot wrong.

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>>93337387
>Rebecca's art style is shit

Not to be rude man, but like, that's objectively not true.

>>93337465
>>93337470
>>93337567
>Dumb samefag mad that Loud House is more successful and popular than there tumblr shows and has more solidarity than their cancerous fanbases
Stay mad Starfriend.

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>>93336390
WHY DO STARFAGS HAVE TO CONSTANTLY ATTACK SUFAGS LIKE WE GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR GIRL POWER GARBAGE

YOU ARE IRRELEVANT

>>93337542
Korra is a good show

>>93337366
lol, no, it's one of the most popular shows on the air right now, across all of the networks, and it has a 24/7 general on /trash/. Just because /co/ mods do everything in their power to eliminate this cartoon from the cartoon board because god forbid people post 34 on this 18+ website, it doesn't mean it's unpopular.

>>93337635
Not that this image is necessarily bad, but it is very mediocre if you meant to shut the other anon down

>>93337666
>GIRL POWER GARBAGE

SU is more girl power than Star you fag

>>93337666
They're a fanbase of autistic retards and the worst type of edgy tryhard faggots. They're like Orkz from WH40K, you cannot reason with them and nobody should ever deal with them. They simply lash out endlessly and cannibalize themselves.

Don't deal with those subhumans.

>>93337006
>People always bring this up and, while its terrible, isn't an indicator on the show's quality.

You fucking cunt. You think that's an indicator of anything other than a bunch of crazy pigs overreacting to a fucking drawing? May God have mercy on your soul, I wont. If I find you, you will receive what you deserve.

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>>93337644
>more successful and popular

>>93336390
both shows are over hyped as fuck and only show the bad taste /co/ has because there is no other replacement
>star vs
literally mexican soap drama
>steven universe
People call Lars death fantastic done , just saw it and it was absolute trash

People just forgot what standards are

>>93337724
What's your problem?

>>93336964
Sugar needs to stop with this ambiguous gender shit. Judging by that it looks like she just wants to draw a bunch of sexy girls.

>>93337666
Kek. Satan is a mad autist.

>>93337644
>says the babyfucker

>>93337724
See what I mean?
>>93337714

Star vs fags need to be quarantined, rounded up and removed firing squad style.

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>>93336390
This thread is absolute Cancer and everyone who pats it it should be banned from life.

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>>93337758
I don't get why everyone goes on about the death when that wasn't the interesting part.
What was great during the whole season final and the bomb was Lars development from a coward to a real hero.
Plus his resurrection and the interesting stuff this is implying brings up many interesting questions and I'm interested to see where they go with all this.

>>93336390
Better waifus and husbandos

>>93337714
Who you callin an ork ya bloody wanker? How bout ya go back to ya mum's tits and ask if she'll give ya newest shite Gemsona a look see

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>>93337703
SU HAS A MALE MAIN CHARACTER AND CONSISTENTLY EMPHASIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF FATHERHOOD

GREG, KOFI, FRYMAN, ETC.

SU MAKES A POINT OF NEVER EMPHASIZING GENDER EMPOWERMENT BECAUSE IT SHOULD GO WITHOUT SAYING

THEY EMPHASIZE PERSONAL EMPOWERMENT, ACCEPTANCE, AND SELF WORTH. THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE AMETHYST OR WHOEVER WEAR A "FEMINIST" SHIRT FOR SOME POINTS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATCH THE NARRATIVE AT ALL

STOP LISTENING TO THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA /CO/

>>93337811
>brings up many interesting questions

Like?

>>93337703
>SU is more girl power than Star you fag
Both are girl power to the extreme but at least steven universe got relevant male characters,all Star got is that obscure crocodile villain that clearly works for that evil Queen

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>>93337644

I Don't like neither show and i don't care for the Loud House, if anything i like LH more than the other 2 by virtue of not giving a shit

>>93337758

This guy gets it

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>>93337067
They doxxed and harassed the girl until she attempted suicide, you assfuck. You can't blame a 16 year old girl for caving after everything is turned on its head like that.

>>93337783
Try it, faggot. I will put you to the ground.

They are both shows that are for children which have been taken over by autists like me. all will be corrupted

>>93337703

Explain how.

>>93337824
>CONSISTENTLY EMPHASIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF FATHERHOOD

No it doesn't, Greg rarely appears and raised his son in the back of a van with no education like a hippie faggot.

>KOFI, FRYMAN
Half the time we see these characters they talk about how their kids annoy them

>SU MAKES A POINT OF NEVER EMPHASIZING GENDER EMPOWERMENT
Even Rebecca thinks SU is a feminist show, try again

>>93337811
>Plus his resurrection and the interesting stuff this is implying brings up many interesting questions and I'm interested to see where they go with all this.

Too bad the speculation always ends up being better than the resolution becouse sugar can't deliver

>>93337846
>steven universe got relevant male characters

Name 5

>>93337859

The smart thing to do would be to walk away from the screen.

>>93336390
steven universe is gay and gay is bad for /co/
star vs only had 1 gay moment and it was pretty short

>>93337913
Greg... mmm... Lars?

>>93336390
The female is white and not gay, so 4chan can fap to it.

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>>93337835
>Why do Rose Quartz's have this power in the first place?
>Why did they need to be made to resurrect dead "organic" beings?
>Why did it give them telportation powers and mini pocket dimension in Lars and Lions heads?
>Does this work for everyone?
>Does this have any negative side affects?
>Will Lars live forever now and never age?
>Can Lars even die again?
>Why did Rose resurrect a Lion and no other organic beings in all her time on Earth?
>Does Lars have to follow all of Stevens orders now? Just like Lion?

>>93336390
SU was pretty decent in its first season, but it's well and truly lost its magic for me now. Season 4 was plain bad, and I wasn't that wowed by the season 5 stuff so far either. I would drop it but I've come this far. I've only seen the first season of Star vs. and some of the second, and it was very mediocre, I don't understand why it's so popular. I'm told it gets better but I just don't give enough of a shit to continue. To answer your question, I have no idea. Neither are that good.

>>93337897
>No it doesn't, Greg rarely appears and raised his son in the back of a van with no education like a hippie faggot
Want to know how I know you haven't watched the fucking show?

>Half the time we see these characters they talk about how their kids annoy them
Fryman says Peedee can look after himself, but Ronaldo can't. Kofi lets his kids do whatever when they're not working in his shop.

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>>93337897
Greg is literally Rebecca's favorite character, and it shows. Literally the only time he's presented in the wrong is that one episode with the black geode thing, and even that wasn't really him being a bad guy, he just wanted to be with his son.

>>93337635
She really only excels in background design and coloring. Character design and anatomy and such are all fairly mediocre.

Just for the record, I agree with you that she is objectively not shit, I'm just expanding the point and discussion.

>>93337913
Greg
Lars
Steven

Does are the main ones there plenty of others males but there side characters.

>>93336790
this
>>93336862
Adventure Time
Gravity Falls
Steven Universe
Samurai Jack
Gumball
The Loud House
Korra
Rick and Morty
Its gonna happen. Stop deluding yourself. Eventually, star vs the forces of evil will get more seasons and people are gonna start hating it.
>remember when star vs the forces of evil was good? i miss season 2
its gonna happen. It doesn´t matter if the show gets better or gets worse, it's gonna get more popular. Therefore, /co/ will hate it.

>>93337913

Greg
Steven
Lars
Peedee
Ronaldo

>>93337897
>Even Rebecca thinks SU is a feminist show, try again
Can I get a source on that? Would be super useful for future discussions.

>>93337937
>>Why do Rose Quartz's have this power in the first place?
The answer is because she just does

>>Why did they need to be made to resurrect dead "organic" beings?
We've seen that RQs can heal inanimate objects as well

>>Why did it give them telportation powers and mini pocket dimension in Lars and Lions heads?
See first answer

>>Does this work for everyone?
Yes, we see Bismuth come out

>>Can Lars even die again?
Yes

>>Why did Rose resurrect a Lion and no other organic beings in all her time on Earth?
Because she owned a pack of lions and was very close to them

>>Does Lars have to follow all of Stevens orders now? Just like Lion?
Obviously not because we see Lion disobey Steven multiple times

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>>93337979
>Ronaldo
>relevant

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>>93336390
The gems aren't 14

Because Star Vs. doesn't have a baby ass faggot as an MC plus the supporting cast isn't annoying (or at least not as bad as SU)

>>93337959
>Want to know how I know you haven't watched the fucking show?

Well, Steven doesn't go to school, is extremely ignorant of many subjects and said ignorance is noticeable. Has no idea how to handle his emotions. His grasp of reality is so utterly simplistic, that it hurts him and the people around him.

Lars should not bow to him, he should continue to call him out on his bullshit. Because that kid is on a trip to retard land.

>>93337984
She also said that kids need to learn about consent.

>>93337959
>Want to know how I know you haven't watched the fucking show?

Want to know how I know YOU don't watch the show?

>>93338029

I'm dying to hear this. Okay anonymous poster, explain me.

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Rose Quartzes have the power to heal corrupted and shattered Gems.

The Rose Quartz army was not only bubbled because our Rose went rogue, but because WD and YD want to prevent them from stopping the clusters.

Rose Quartz revived PD, bubbled her and put her inside the chest on the Lion island.

Screencap this post.

>>93337984
https://www.google.com/amp/ew.com/article/2015/06/15/steven-universe-creator-growing-gender-politics-her-brother/amp/

>>93337979
>Greg
>Steven
>Lars

One is the main character. The other twos are less important than the hot black chicks from the pizzeria.

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>>93337913
Greg
Lars
Steven
Ronaldo (Rebecca loves him for some reason)
Sour Cream
Buck Dewey

>>93338011

Ronaldo is one of the townies that's had the most episodes. You didn't ask for good characters, you asked for relevant male characters. Ronaldo meets your criteria, whether you like it or not.

>>93337979
>Peedee

???

>>93338060

>Greg
>Not one of the, if not THE most important character on the show

Find the nearest gibbet and string yourself up from it.

>>93338060
And Greg and Lars are the only ones slightly important. Greg more so for being the only human family this kid has that appears in more than one episode (the uncle was right about Greg, though)

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It's funny how many people say star vs doesn´t have an annoying MC, and yet i think she's the most annoying cunt i have ever seen in television.
I mean im not saying steven is always cute. He's annoying sometimes, there´s no denying that. But Jesus Christ star is an annoying cunt. She keeps screaming random things, makes people do what she wants to do, has OP powers that endanger others life, made marco a gift card that cursed his soul, made a musical performance that made her kingdom turn against her family because she wanted to show her "bitchy" mother, who is so "evil" that she wasnt even mad at her for what she did (seriously, shes a A+ mom), not to mention how every day she endangers the life of the people who live on her wand, that have families and personalities.
I mean wow.

>>93338086
Only if you suck me, bitch.

>>93338027

>Well, Steven doesn't go to school
Okay
>Is extremely ignorant of many subjects
Such as?
>Has no idea how to handle his emotions.
I think he's got a good grip on them. He functions as the emotional center of the Crystal Gems, after all.
>His grasp of reality is so utterly simplistic, that it hurts him and the people around him.
He's a kid.

>>93338099
Anything is less annoying than Steven. Even fucking Korra.

>>93338109

I don't suck faggots.

>>93337635
>art
>objective
>ever

I'm personally a big fan of Sugar's style, but c'mon, all we'very been getting from her for the last two years art-wise is the occasional angsty doodle on her twitter. We haven't gotten anything "concrete" in a while.

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>>93338060
>Greg
>Not the most important character in the entire show short of Rose or fucking Steven

Not to hate on Kiki and Jenny of course.

Why do we have to fight? Can't we all just get along?

>>93338124
i don't know. i wouldn´t mind fucking Korra

>>93338120
>Such as?
War. Death. Love and friendship. He is a naive little boy that had a crisis over not being born a girl.

>I think he's got a good grip on them. He functions as the emotional center of the Crystal Gems, after all.

Yeah, because crying over anything is sooo healthy. Also, why are the CG putting so much emotional baggage on this poor boy? They are adults. Don't they know this shit they do could lead him toward depression? Of course not.

>He's a kid.

Not an excuse to mess with other people's life.

>>93338079

You caught me. I debated whether to use either Peedee or one of the cool kids. I would probably also have put Onion, but I'm not sure if he counts.

>>93338149
we can get along, but starfags like to make a dick measurement contest with SUfags, thinking it makes their shows objectively better.
They are both fine in their own way and should be enjoyed by anyone.

>>93338133
Of course you do, faggot.

>>93338099
The big difference for me is that people act like Star is annoying. THey call her on it all the time. The universe itself calls her on it frequently.

On the other hand, every around Steven enables his behavior and rarely if ever calls him on it. If they do, half the time it's the encourage him to regress instead of put effort into developing. It's especially annoying because early on, the three different gem parenting styles were very nicely contrasted. Now it all just sort of blends together into a big pile of wallowing and doing nothing.

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>>93338158
You act like the show fully supports Stevens own views.
It doesn't in Bubbled the whole conflict was that Stevens "love and friendship" speeches did not work.
Him helping and trying to befriend Eyeball almost got him killed.
The show challenges Stevens world view plenty times.

>>93338171
Only Greg and Lars does, anon. Everyone else is behind the delicious brown twins.

>>93338184
>The big difference for me is that people act like Star is annoying. THey call her on it all the time. The universe itself calls her on it frequently
when? Janna likes her. Marco´s parents like her. Her parents like her. Tom likes her. The unicorn lady likes her. The hair girl likes her.
I don't remember a single time where somebody told star she was being annoying. And marco forgives her for all of her shit.
>On the other hand, every around Steven enables his behavior and rarely if ever calls him on it. If they do, half the time it's the encourage him to regress instead of put effort into developing
that was season 1. when steven fucks up,he knows he fucks up. The gems just dont make a fuss about it because it would only make things worse. There was a whole episode dealing with how shitty he felt over his mistakes.

>>93338158

>War. Death. Love and friendship. He is a naive little boy that had a crisis over not being born a girl.
Let's be honest here, anon. You're mad no one took you serious when you were 14, and now you're having your vicarious revenge on a cartoon character.
>Yeah, because crying over anything is sooo healthy. Also, why are the CG putting so much emotional baggage on this poor boy? They are adults. Don't they know this shit they do could lead him toward depression? Of course not.
Holy shit do you think the CGs even know what human emotions are? They didn't even know what fucking babies were. Don't go looking to the gems for emotional maturity because you're just looking in the wrong spot.
>Not an excuse to mess with other people's life.
Apart from the Lars possession thing, what's this even about?

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Ok be honest.
How many people here defending star vs has seen SU and how many people here defending SU has seen star vs?
Because im seeing a lot of complaints over stuff thats fixed in both shows.

>>93336390
At least SU's fanbase is getting called out on its bullshit. The Star vs. fans are just being left to quietly fester and shitpost. I don't know if I've ever seen a fandom on /co/ that avatarfags as much as Star.

>>93338254

Don't bother, every time there's a """"criticism"""" thread on /co/, you get opinions from people who haven't seen either, but they want to look cool in from of the big bad anonymous so they follow the hivemind because they're afraid to rock the boat.

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Jasper is best gem

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>SUfags start another cartoon war thread

>>93338241
>Let's be honest here, anon. You're mad no one took you serious when you were 14, and now you're having your vicarious revenge on a cartoon character.

No, when I was 14 I used to do cocaine on the back of my van with my brother.

>Holy shit do you think the CGs even know what human emotions are?

You are only pushing my argument further.

>Apart from the Lars possession thing, what's this even about?

Ronaldo's girl. Lars very own life. Putting EVERYONE on the city at risk for stupid reasons.

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>>93338254
I love SU to death.
I've only seen three eps of Star and so far its just ok.
I'm going to keep watching it to see if like SU it gets better later.

>>93338231
Except he doesn't learn from it. He continues to try this same schtick again and again.

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>>93338296

>>93338296
but it was a starfag that made this
>>93338300
>No, when I was 14 I used to do cocaine on the back of my van with my brother.
damn man i feel sorry for you

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>>93336422
>came here to see actual pros or cons from both shows
>first post is already completely senseless, filled with only blind hating and stupid bandwagon-tier complaints
>scrolling down is no better
Never change, /co/

Both shows are terrible, and mediocre at best at their highest points.

Star is slightly less offensive though, as many of it's flaws can just be attributed to it being a show aimed at children. No forced melodrama and crying every fucking episode, less heavy handed MUH LORE faggotry, less blatant pandering, broader sense of humor with more jokes that actually land, etc.

Also, it's art is far more consistent.

>>93338314
give examples.

>>93338063
>Sour Cream
>Buck Dewey
>Relevant

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>>93338314
And the show proves him wrong again and again.
His believes that all life is worth protecting is hard wired into him you seriously think he's just going to break that rule after one or two mess ups?
As I said the show is challenging his pacifism.

>>93338319
>damn man i feel sorry for you

Don't be. I fucked an stripper by the time I was 16. Knocked up a black chick by 20's. It's a good life, my kids are great.

>>93338237
Janna's entire character is being chill. Marco /constantly/ gets frustrated and fed up with Star. You can make an entire episode where his dialogue was just frustrated grunts. Not to mention Star's mother. There was even the test cat.

>>93338120
>Such as?
The concept of education itself

>>93338354
No, is not. The show will always prove him right. Like with every single instance with Lars.

I'm sorry guys but Star sucks. It's so bland and it's obvious shitty jokes fail every time. At least Steven Universe feels like it's written competently with a focus on it's characters while Star's just feel there to service dumb shipping drama and a dull plot.

Steven Universe is popular and Star Vs isn't.

>>93336390

Most star vs episodes don't involve star laying down on the floor crying

Which makes the few that do that much hotter

>>93338300

>No, when I was 14 I used to do cocaine on the back of my van with my brother.
You're so cool.
>You are only pushing my argument further.
What argument? The argument where you wanted the gems to act responsible in raising a child? The same gems that kidnapped said child because they didn't know what the fuck he was? They learned better after that but expecting the gems to change after 5000+ years of things working out as they always do for them is a big ask, and I'd expect that real life people would be as difficult to accept new ideas if they lived to be 5000.
>Ronaldo's girl.
Ronaldo's girlfriend was played for laughs. I hate to break it to you, but he's a joke character.
>Lars very own life.
Lars takes his life for granted and puts up a facade of being cool when he's really afraid to be a genuine person. He was a coward, until the recent bomb.
>Putting EVERYONE on the city at risk for stupid reasons.
Like?

>>93338377
examples?
>>93338370
but marco forgives her for everything, and so does her mother. She didnt even get mad at star by revealing the secret she told her to hide. And the rest of the universe likes her.

>>93338377
Give examples.

>>93338395
So now a man's suffering is a laughing matter to Steven and SUfags?

You people are fucking disgusting.

>>93338374

>The concept of education itself
I know this is hard to wrap your mind around, but Steven isn't exactly a human, and will not have the same life that you think a normal human should have. School is important to real people, but to Steven it barely matters because he is doing things well beyond what the classroom can teach.

>>93338254
I've seen both. SU as a whole is worse because of how long it's taken to do anything and the strange anti-climax everything takes on: the Cluster was bad but Jasper's lurking threat being dispersed by her appearing on a boat to proposition Lapis then get btfo takes the cake. The show is just continually promising that a bunch of really cool stuff is going to happen (and soon!), but it's been doing that for four seasons now, and that stuff has either not happened or been really lame.

Star vs. had a really mediocre first season and then a second one that also promised lots of really cool shit and, while not fully delivering, did enough to make me happy. It also helps that it's funny -- subjective, yeah, but SU's attempts at humour are the sort of things an old dear would rattle off to a toddler -- so there's a draw there besides plot and lore.

>>93336390
A standard Star filler episode has her wrecking the town looking for a frozen banana maker because she is pretending to be on a quest. Or running away and living with dragons in the river.

Standard Steven filler episode generally has him walking and talking, or crying over some random townie issue which tends to not really be an issue. Forced drama that jumps from normal to everyone;s lives are in ruin in about 10 seconds all the time. But overall are not so adventurous and are boring.

>>93338319
Yeah and it was an ATfag that made >>93336888
Go back to SU subreddit.

>>93338388
>Steven Universe feels like it's written *competently* with a focus on it's characters.

Nigga you high?

>>93336390
Star is hated too. We hate every cartoon here.

We've at at last become /v/.

>>93338428

You're awfully judgemental towards people with different opinions than yours.

>>93338404
She pretty obviously was mad and stressed out by that, but the fact that her and Star's lives were in danger was the greater priority. There was literally no time to see her being annoyed with Star because shit was about to go down, and probably in later episodes where there's some downtime we'll see more interactions between them.

Even if she's fucking pissed at Star, she's not going to let her old enemy kill her daughter.

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>>93338428
Holy shit man get over yourself.
He's a joke character and nothing more he is played for laughs he's a real person.
You might as well cry about squidward being abused for laughs.

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>>93338436
An ordinary education can be applied to extraordinary things, pic related

>>93338436
>I know this is hard to wrap your mind around, but Steven isn't exactly a human,

Yes, he is. He is a boy that looks human, acts human and feel like humans do. The CG pretty much did him a disservice by not putting him into school with other humans. I guess he is just too good for that shit.

>>93338437
Anon gets it

>>93338466
He's not a real person is what I meant to say.
My bad.

>>93338468

>My weeb novels provide an accurate and compelling guide on how to survive in real life.

Quit while you're ahead.

>>93338460
No, I just can't stand bullies.

>>93338466
Yeah. I guess guys killing themselves over abuse are hilarious to SUfags. That and being Zuke's strawman is hilarious.

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Pros and cons from both shows, because im not a delusional fag who thinks my dick gets bigger every time i defend my favorite show
>Star VS pros
Great animation
Great action
Marco´s Parents
Toffee
Glosorryck(or whatever his name is)
>Cons
Annoying MC
Annoying side characters
Bad comedy(subjective,i know)
Uninteresting lore
Every character except Toffe and Star´s mom is an idiot. Even the god of cosmic time and space.

>SU Pros
Good characters
Interesting lore and story(for some. I recognize not everyone is interested in it)
Great music
The Diamonds
Good morals
>SU cons
Bad world building
Takes too long for something to happen
Lapis Lazuli
Jasperedemption isn't real yet
Season 4
Too many townies

>>93338500
It's better written than SU though

>>93336390
Pretty much what everyone else has elaborated on- Better execution.

Star Vs. has better animation/art, better writing and a better idea as to what the hell it wants to be. Sure it's got that mix of serious/comedy thing going on, but it feels much less jarring here.

SU on the other hand has inconsistent/downright terrible animation writing that doesn't move the plot forward for dozens of episodes at a time (if not nearly entire seasons) and the characters only have the bare basics of a personality most of the time. Not to mention that Lapidot ship that was prevalent during seasons 2-3.

>>93338500
Jojo is better than SU.

>>93338470

You're seeing only what you want from the show.

Look, I get it. THE SHOW DOES NOT ACCURATELY REPRESENT REAL LIFE. I'm sorry if this is news to you. I hate to break it to you in this way. I hope that, over time, you'll forgive humanity for constructing this fictitious universe purely to irritate and confuse you.

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>>93338522
>ot to mention that Lapidot ship that was prevalent during seasons 2-3.
you mean that ship that didnt even happen? Lapis and peridot have 0 romantic relationship. The zuke shit was stopped before it happened.

>>93338517
Star's comedy is hit or miss, but SU's is one of the most consistently miss comedies out there. It's baffling how bad they are at jokes sometimes

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>>93338507

>>93338558
difference is, you can hate SU´s comedy and still enjoy it. You cant hate star vs comedy and still enjoy it.

>>93338531

I'll bet you believe that, too.

>>93338536
>I-I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED

>>93338042
You don't, that's how I know

>>93338507

>No, I just can't stand bullies

Why do you hate yourself so much?

>>93338583
It is. Jojo takes a million shits on top of Steven Universe.

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>>93338604
jojo is better than star vs too

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>>93338594

Compelling. Have a reaction image.

>>93338583
>>93338604

Have read all of JoJo and watched all of SU. This comparison is pretty retarded.

>>93338583
>Says the person who watches a show that rips off anime

>>93338614
Of course. But Star Vs is also better than SU.

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>>93338604
nah

>>93338583
Oh great. SUfags just keep asking to be fucked. First Star Vs, then Loud House, now Jojo. What's next? Avatar?

>>93338631
Is it though?
>Main character with healing abilities
>Homoerotic undertones
>tons of references
>Rock people

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>>93338604
but they referenced it

>>93338584

>THIS CHILD SHOULD GO TO SCHOOL TO LEARN ABOUT TRIG AND CALCULUS, BECAUSE THAT WILL MOST CERTAINLY HELP HIM FIGHT A MATRIARCHAL SOCIETY BENT ON TURNING HIS PLANET INTO A SNOW GLOBE

With every passing moment you sound more and more like a man possessed.

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best gems

>>93338674

Amazing, you put hiragana over a screencap.

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Don't really care for this argument, but from what I've seen, Star seems to genuinely have a large following and content creation scene, while SU is just heavily viral marketed with no substance.

I wish I still had that screencap of the bot-posters getting exposed in one of those "fast" Steven Universe premiere threads.

>>93338673
SU's story doesn't have the length of JoJo's though. Those factors don't even work the same way. (Hamon and all of the healing stands, the Rock people aren't even aliens and are more of a sidegrade to humans)

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>>93338604
Samurai Jack shits on both; Steven Universe especially.

>>93338679
If the CG can't handle that by themselves (like they did before). Then they are not fit to raise a child.

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blue zircon the best

>>93337921

Yeah but most teens aren't smart enough to do that

Look at jump jump from the loud fandom

>>93338548
The two characters with next to 0 chemistry? Thank god for that

>>93338666

Please don't act as though your precious Joestars is some high art. I don't say the same about SU.

>>93336882
>Andrew (played by Herve Vilchez)
You owe me a pair of sides, anon. (It's Villechaize though)

>>93336964
>this amounts to saucy
I bet you think pilgrims without their bonnets are lewd.

>>93338713
It does.

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fuck both of your shows. Villainous is better than both of them

>>93338728
I wonder if that Zircon is somehow based on David Bowie.

>>93338739
It is next to SU.

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>>93338767
probably a david bowie-phoenix wright design

>>93338718

I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore. You want the gems to put him in school because Steven cannot name the 50 states, but they're terrible parents anyhow so they're unfit to raise him, which, ergo, means they're unfit to send him to school?

Do I have that close to correct?

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>>93337714
C'mon dude, at least orks are top memers

>>93338698
I want Aquamarine to be adopted and put on a leach for being naughty

I don't understand how insanely obsessed /co/ is about cartoons appearing better than anime. You don't see /a/ doing this shit.

>>93338761

Dont you have your own general and waifus to masturbate to/in?

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>>93338805
this

>>93338436
That he can do these things and has these powers only reinforce the idea that he should be getting an education, to understand how to ground himself in reality and learn to analyze, compartmentalize, and think critically about the things happening around him.

Or perhaps you think that the space refugees who launched a failed rebellion, lost their leader to human cock, and suffer from a rainbow of personality disorders would do a better job

>>93338791
Child endangerment is not something that should be tolerated just because the parental figures a turbo dykes from another planet.

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>>93338780
Definitely looks like a David Bowie gem in Phoenix Wright.
Why is there no crossover fanart showing the resemblance of the two yet?

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>>93338713
Samurai Jack season 5 was garbage, Steven Bomb 6 and Wanted were were a better set of ten episodes to be honest familia

>>93338833

Answer the question.

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Peridot is cute! Cute!

>>93338703
I wonder how much of this is because of the companies though.

Disney really promotes Star even when the seasons are over. Cartoon Network ignores all things SU until a week or so before a bomb then nothing again. They do not even rerun it at all.

>>93338838
>Wanted were were a better set of ten episodes to be honest familia

Shut the fuck up, no they weren't you delusional faggot.

>>93337714
Ork Freebooters actually deal with trade with other civilizations sometimes.
Sure its "I'll gives you dis gubbins for dat blaster, and then we won't kill ya" tier but its still being able to deal.
Orks will even agree to a temporary alliance with people they would normally fight, as long as the result is a bigger fight.

>>93338798
I wish I was awesome enough to make something like this.

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>>93338838
Nah. I think Samurai Jack still did better in Season 5, and especially that Lars' death seemed forced and Ashi's wasn't.

>>93338827

>understand how to ground himself in reality and learn to analyze, compartmentalize, and think critically about the things happening around him.

Steven's reality keeps getting swept out from underneath him with alien invasions, kidnappings, monster attacks, and intergalactic war crimes. Find me another kid who copes with it as well as Steven does.

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>>93338890
no the original anon but yes it was. And i liked samurai jack until it went to shit
>>93338904
lars death wasnt forced. and ashiis death was a literal anime reference

>>93336422
What the hell does forced drama even mean?

>Most dramatic thing that happens in SU in the last season was an alien invasion that resulted in the kidnapping of the main character and his friend to be put on trial for war crimes.
Alright that's interesting and it makes sense for it to happen. No characters have to act in ways that aren't normal for this to happen.

>Most dramatic thing in SVFoE was a season of relationship drama because Star suddenly decided she liked Marco after helping him get with Jackie multiple times with no signs of her showing genuine interest before then.
This is a pretty much as forced drama can get in the colloquial sense. Star is the teenage girl's definition of the apex bitch.

>>93338923
Oh boy name moments in those episodes that were better than Samurai Jack

>>93338703

>Star seems to genuinely have a large following and content creation scene, while SU is just heavily viral marketed with no substance.

From my observation the reverse is true, though SU content slows to a crawl during hiatus times, which is all the fucking time.

SU is basically LGBT and SJW propaganda, Star Vs isn't.

>>93338851
No, I want him in school so he can learn how to actually handle the world he lives on. You honestly believe the word education only encompass stuff like math or geography?

You are one stupid little cunt.

>>93338884
Does this comic even exist? why has nobody uploaded a pdf, same with the Peridot renaissance fair one.

>>93338906
Bitch Shinji. Yes I am being dead serious.

>>93338437
>The show is just continually promising that a bunch of really cool stuff is going to happen (and soon!), but it's been doing that for four seasons now, and that stuff has either not happened or been really lame.

This, everyone is very excyted waiting for cool things to happen, but they never happen. Admitedlly, the character moments were the high points of SU, like Rose scabbard , but even those don't happen anymore

>But what about the recent episodes?

They were lame and hamfisted and dumb, so the usual really, the show spend so much time chasing its own tail that i can't be bother with any of its characters, even if they die, the whole fucking cast minus steven could die and it woundn't still be enough to pull a single string in my heart now, even without counting the hiatus that's still 140+ episodes, and they want me to care NOW?

As for Star Vs its really simple: It didn't have the time to fuck it up. The first seasons is somewhat lame and the second is building expectatives, so now we have to see if they deliver in said expectatives.

>>93338923
True, but the ending worked.
I still think Lars' death was forced because it was unnecessary.

>>93338923
>lars death wasnt forced

Yes, it was.

>>93338906
Yet it's his reality nonetheless, and let's be honest: can we expect much of these things to be that mind-blowing given how long gems have supposedly been on earth, and how humans react to them? Nobody batted an eyelash when a building-sized fusion sat down for dinner at that outdoor restaurant. And regardless of how well any kid "copes" with things, that doesn't mean they're capable of interpreting the events around them rationally, which is learned.

>>93338952

Finally, the meat of your argument. From what I can gather, people go to school in the real world to learn how to get along with others, to learn new concepts, and to learn to effectively function in the society they find themselves in. Now, in SU, Steven is already adept at getting along with others, judging from his interactions with the townsfolk, which gives him a strong sense of empathy. Steven learns new concepts from the gems relating to his powers, the wars on Earth, or his mom's checkered past. I'd imagine that Greg helped Steven on how to effectively function in the society that Beach City is, since Greg seems to get along well with others, even though they might disagree with his life choices.

Did I miss anything?

>>93338983
>>93338983
I've waited so long to see what Homeworld looks like, pretty happy. Now we're getting Pink diamond murder conspiracies, why aren't you hyped?

>>93338884
I'm almost saddened by the concept behind this panel. Clearly the idea was to showcase colorful, vibrant, varied characters interacting in new ways for a nice indication of life outside the show, but maybe 3 are worth caring about, so it feels like a wast of time

>>93338906
Kids cope with things surprisingly well. It's like they don't quite understand how the world is supposed to be so when weird crazy shit happens they simply go "well I guess that's how life works" and keep rolling with it. It's when they're forty and looking back do they realize they had fucked up lives.

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>>93338975

>Yes I am being dead serious.

This is how I know you're fucking with me. Have a reaction image for your time.

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>>93336390
Steven Universe is as loved and hated as it has always been. There's tons of SU discussion when the show is airing, and when there's hiatus, the shitposting begins to rise up again as any meaningful discussion withers away due to lack of new material.

>>93339055
>Finally, the meat of your argument.

If it took so long to get it. Then perphaps you need to go back to school, like Steven.

>since Greg seems to get along well with others, even though they might disagree with his life choices.

So being an ungrateful piece of shit that spat on his family is ok as long as you are nice? Yeah, you need to get educated.

>>93338906
Every african child soldier

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>>93336390
Star Vs: meh ideas executed well.

Steven Universe: great ideas executed terribly.

Star Vs: story and characters get better as the series goes on.

Steven Universe: they get worse.

>>93338388
SU can't even get its own story straight. They write that Steven's Physical age is tied to his mental state. I guarantee between that Steven episode where he ages and now, his mentality should be higher than before. So he SHOULD have physically aged too. But they don't want to age Steven because then they would lose their "CN targeted audience". a 14 yr old that acts like a 10 yr old...

>>93339066
Fatigue and the fact I know none of this is going to get addressed without me sitting through 20 epsodes of mundane town hijinks. That and the track record for them making it satisfying to sit through said hijinks is terrible means I'm not looking forwards to it.

>>93339066
Probably cause it took soo long to get here and the direction it's going with is a bit...underwhelming.

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>>93339116

I thank you for this conversation, but I feel like you will never be happy with what the show is doing. This is sad, because it really sounds like you care. Unfortunately, you only care about what you want to see from the show, and if the show doesn't meet your lofty expectations, you get angry because it let you down. I get that. we all get let down by things in life. I'm let down by you constantly rehashing the same tired arguments said by a thousand other posters in other SU threads. I understand that the conservative in you wants Greg to care more about his family history. Unfortunately, life doesn't often work out the way we want it to. But that's okay, sometimes you just have to carry on and find out what's more important. I thank you for entertaining me.

>>93339163
This is weirdly on point.

>>93339128

Good one.

>>93339163
This guy pretty much nailed it

>>93339116

>So being an ungrateful piece of shit that spat on his family is ok as long as you are nice?
Andy could have visited anytime, he wanted people to come to him. Maybe Andy was the one who needed to change?

Funny you should call for others to be educated, because I feel as though school was wasted on you.

>>93338906
The children who survived the Holocaust.
The children who survived the atomic bombings.
Children can cope with extreme trauma better than people give them credit for.

>>93339245
They cope perfectly fine while they're kids. It's when they grow up do the neuroses reveal themselves.

>>93339163
Idk about that last one, su seems to fluctuate between good and bad stories

>>93336390
It's all about the context of where the show's at. In the past Steven universe was building up to something in Season 1, especially after the two water mirror episodes. However, after the big payoff from the season 2 finale, the show started to stagnate. With progression going at a snails pace, along with being forced into a bomb format. The hype started to die down, with hopes being slashed as each problem was taken care of, coupled with the episodes involving the townsfolk which only seem to barely progress the characters, the show became stale. The main characters also have become more less interesting than the side characters, Garnet especially.

Star vs. on the other hand has only recently become the hype, with its now recently established main threat, along with side characters that have managed to become as interesting as the main duo, it's clear that people are now more interested in Star Vs.

>>93338437
>anti-climax

Thankyou! This is my whole problem with SU right here. It's constantly a let down. Seeing homeworld was so dissapointing as a reveal since 99% of what we see is dark backgrounds, a generic hiding under an overpass scene, and then, most unforgivably, a super generic cave system. This was supposed to be their big reveal of the "alien" home planet? It wasn't alien at all.

Then besides that, every piece of lore and drama just gets shunted to the side in order to reset the status quo. Every finale or climax is eventually treated as a "haha no big deal" moment from the cast, and as an audience member it feels twice as so. It's happened so many times now I don't even get hyped over new episodes, I just end up looking for the way they'll disappointingly end the drama and return everything back to normal, just in time for a few filler episodes. They havn't disapointed me there yet I suppose.

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>>93339438
I was pretty happy with this desu

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>>93338856
Literal Meme goblin.

>>93339066

Becouse who cares for PD or her death? Thinking it logically, how does that afect the CGs ultimate goal of protecting earth and steven? Lets say she did kill her, then nothing changes, its the same as it ever was and there's nothing stopping homeworld from crushing the planet, lets say she didn't, then nothing changes becouse they still rebel against homeworld, so it doesn't matter, and why would i be hyped over things that don't matter?

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>>93336422
>>93336422
you forget this two:
>no songs every two fucking episodes
>no wasting viewers time with 65% episodes of the entire show being filler episodes about fucking townies like the fucking black restaurant's family having dinner in the cristal gem's house

>>93339485
Then you are incredibly easy to please.

SU would be decent without the songs and with a better writer.

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>>93336422
What you just described is basically Fangbone!

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>>93339523
>Disliking the songs

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>>93336422
>no forced drama

>>93339579
>liking music
what a fag

>>93339485
If the show was at all ambitiois the entire bomb would have taken place on Homeworld, and not the "easy to draw so we can save money" tunnel network either. It's a massive letdown of potential and would have been the pivot the show really needs to get away from it's formulic routine.

They almost accomplished this with the Zoo arc, but no, giant reset button at the end of that arc too.

>>93339553
But most cartoons I've seen are so fucking shit, small things in SU pleases me/

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>>93339579
>Liking the songs

>>93339579
All the songs have sucked since Garnet's battle with Jasper.

>>93339066
>I've waited so long to see what Homeworld looks like

There's only like one shot of Homeworld, the rest is in a kindergarten, a location we've already seen.

>>93339517
>another Diamond killed PD
>Diamond is ousted as traitor
>civil war ensues
>new ruling caste reforms homeworld, loses interest in earth (or even contributes to it's protection in PD's memory or some shit)
>CGs achieve ultimate goal without lifting a finger

>>93339066
You know what was a way better conspiracy theory that could have made sense?

Pink Diamond defected and created the persona of Rose Quartz. Her 'death' was a cover up so the remaining Diamonds didn't have a full blown civil war going down on home planet. Suddenly the shit ton of powers makes more sense, and Steven's attempt to solve things amicably has validity.

>>93338063
This list of fagets.

>>93339517
Because if white/yellow diamond did it, then it would bring Blue diamond into the mix. Along with a potential civil war.