>Female protagonist forces the male protagonist to help her

>>93332705
ur mom on dirty dish night lmao

>>93332705
Anna didn't force Kristof, she just bribed guilt tripped him

>>93332705
Moana was justified, it was Maui's fault.

All three, otherwise you wouldn't have posted them

>>93332705
2 of 3 got laid in return. Fair trade.

>>93332877

1 of 3, and he had to earn that shit after the fact.

>>93332705
Maui deserved it
Kristof wasn't forced
Nick broke the law.

>>93332705
oh no, a female protagonist needs help, and is cunning enough to get someone to do so

how unoriginal, no other hero in all of time or space has ever done such a thing

Where's rapunzel and vanelope?

>>93332705
Rapunzel.

>>93332746
Pretty much forced

Moana didn't force Maui to help her. She (and the ocean) just held him accountable for stealing the heart.
Judy and Anna don't have an excuse though. Well, Judy does, but it's a shitty excuse.

>>93332810
really makes you think

>>93332705
From a male perspective, that's some despicable shit. But from a female perspective, I bet they appreciate the manipulation and intrigue: why do it yourself when you can get a man to do it for you?

>>93332705
I'll do you one worse, the Trolls movie.

The girl ignores the guy's warnings, and when calamity strikes as he said it would, not only she demands his help, she takes away everything he had prepared for his own survival, giving it to the wasteful and irresponsible townspeople, like a fucking communist dictatorship.

>>93334771
Is this a Hillary allegory?

>>93334811
Maybe?

>>93332737

my sides are gone

>>93332914
>Nick broke the law.
Judy broke more laws than he did.

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>>93335047
I'm fairly certain that whatever minor rules she bent are not really comparable to 7-digit tax dodging.

>>93332705
Maui actually caused the entire problem by trying too hard to please humans.

Kristoff got pussy

Nick stood to gain from helping Judy, even before becoming Zootopia's first fox police officer.

>>93332914
>>93335184
>>93332746
Don't forget that Kristoff had something to gain helping Anna: namelty keeping elsa from driving him out of his ice business with her eternal winter bullshit.

>>93335140
I don't know about you, but I would not consider breaking a police procedure to be the same as "bending a minor rule."

>>93332705

Yeah I'm sorry OP but >>93334771 was right on the money. I can find myself forgiving Judy, Anna, and Moana every step of their way because their methods were for the greater good, and the people they strung along with them all were influential to the problem in the first place.

But holy fuck was that Troll princess chick such a fucking cunt. I loathed her while watching that movie, and while I'm no soccer mom or nothing, I thought she was the worse thing to ever teach children. Fuck the happy, "yay everything worked out I told you so" ending, just the fact that she got validated even a little was detesting. They should've pulled a fake out and killed the bitch halfway through the movie, switching main characters in the process, but hey that's too deep for a cashgrab children's movie I guess.

>>93335140
Taxation is theft, Nick did the right thing.

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>>93335399
while I agree to a point and feel taxes need to be cut across the board, there is 'to a point'.

Nick still seems to benefit from a lot of civil services such as maintained roads, public transport, and public utilities such as clean water, heat from Sahara's massive heater and the cold from the Tundra Town Freezer.

maintaining that climate wall cannot be cheap.

>>93334289
>From a male perspective, that's some despicable shit.

Yes, it's despicable that a woman must trick a man into being accountable for his actions, working for the common good of the community, and lending aid to their country's sovereigns.

Oh, and ultimately save your own fucking ass.

A man should have the initiative to do this on their own.

Instead, Nick doesn't give a rat's ass about a clear discrimination case towards Preds (something he's already felt), Maui didn't give a crap the world was dying and was willing to abandon humanity to their fate like his own parents had done to him, and.

Okay, actually, Kristoff was probably in good shape since technically, i'm not sure he was officially a citizen of Arendale and could have moved elsewhere.

>>93335140
>I'm fairly certain that whatever minor rules she bent are not really comparable to 7-digit tax dodging.
For a police officer every action is supposed to be more scrutinized than a civilian.
Nick may have received five years jail time but Judy, if we go by USA laws, could have received around 60 years in prison for what she did even though her actions ultimately saved everyone and led to Nick pursuing a better upstanding life.

>>93332705
Moana's still the best. In the end she decided to save the day herself because Maui was unreliable.

>>93336513
Eh, I'd argue that Zootopia has Moana beat mainly because of the flaws/causes of problems of the main characters.

Moana's only problem was inexperience- she was basically perfect even before she learned how to sail and after she learns she's always 100% right.

Judy is flawed in her opinions from the start of the movie until she meets Gideon Grey (her fox childhood bully) as an adult and truly shakes off her prejudice, but this happens right near the end of movie and after she had developed a rapport with Nick.

>>93335576
In Nick's case, he was blackmailed into committing further criminal acts (such as trespassing) and was put by an officer of the law into dangerous situations as a civilian. Judy didn't even know how big her case was, as far as both of them were concerned, she was pressing a civilian into all his shit just to elevate her own standing in the police by solving a missing person case.

In Maui's case, he was forced to risk his life off the bat. Yes, he was the one responsible, but you don't have the right to force a guy into a burning building with a bucket of water just because he's the one who started it. He stole the heart with no ill intent, he didn't deserve to potentially die while being forced into returning it.

Kristoff is just a civilian pressed into a suicidal mission to retrieve an emotionally unstable, potentially homicidal ice witch in a deadly blizzard. What makes it worse is that there are actual qualified people she could have gotten to help her, such as her country's army.

You can argue about the degrees of fucked-up on these, but it's still bullshit: a hero of the story shouldn't TRICK/FORCE people into helping them. This is a very manipulative way of taking care of business:
>I finally moved all that heavy furniture to my new appartement!
>How did you manage it without paying for the movers?
>Oh, I just guilted and pussy-baited a few guys into doing it for me
This shit sets a really bad example.

ITT: Whining about pixar/disnet formula

more news at 11

>>93337225
And before someone starts with the trick/force: I meant a hero shouldn't trick or force positive characters. Even Maui wasn't a damn villain to be led on.

>>93337257
>one of the biggest media presences in the world is teaching girls that the way to solve problems is to manipulate a man into solving them for you
>this is OK
GTFO

>>93332705
Zootopia: Judy actually forces Nick blackmailing him with the record of his voice confesing he was committing tax evation. Characteristics: Judy is a conflicted bunny who everybody told that she could never be a real cop, and this is her effort to finally accomplish her dream (even making indirectly Nick become a good mammal)

Moana: I sincerely didn't like the story. But whatever. Moana and the sea forces Maui to help them because he actually made a great mistake and she wants to momentarily evade her responsabilities as a princess. Let's be honest there's a lot of deuss ex machina, I'm not hating the movie, I'm jut not convinced by the argument. Characteristics: She's just a princess that doesn't want to be a princess and this is her journey to "accept it"

Frozen: Anna promises to pay Kristoff, he isn't forced, he only doesn't tolerate Anna's manners and attitudes, and her lack of knowing of true love, but he falls in love with her, and well again like in Zootopia we discover that a character that seemed nice is the main antagonist.

It's not exactly the same, they look alike but the main female and male character achieve different things in their story:

Judy realizes the world may not be nice but though there are trouble you have to fight for your dreams and that the world is just chaotic there, and that there are diverity and we must accept it. Well, basically all the speech she gave at the end of the movie.

Elsa realizes that she can control her powers with love, with this finishing all her problems that were caused by the lack of knowledge of her parents, Anna understands the meaning of true love with Kristoff.

I wrote too much and I only planned to defend Zootopia. So if anyone wants to write the achievements of Moana and Maui be my guest.

>>93337225
Same thoughts on this one >>93337396

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>>93332705
How about none of the above?

>>93336498
>but Judy, if we go by USA laws
If we go by actual observable reality Judy wouldn't have gotten in trouble for shit and Nick should be praising Allah she didn't break his prigger kneecaps.

>>93337396
>She's just a princess that doesn't want to be a princess and this is her journey to "accept it"
The island was dying and she believed in the tales that would restore her island and the world. Their food was running out.

>>93337591
I think anon meant it at the beginning when she kept escaping with her grandma in the middle of a ceremony

>>93337322
>>one of the biggest media presences in the world is teaching girls that the way to solve problems is to manipulate a man into solving them for you
We've come a long way since back when women were told they are nothing without a man.

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>>93332705
Obviously you're talking about pic related

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>>93337322
i didnt said it is OK, i said you keep whining about same thing over and over.


It's well known Disney is pushing the worst role model for little girls, but it prints them money so it's not going to change.

just look at Elsa: she's beautiful, powerful, rich and irresponsible. A perfect 'princess".

>>93335399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1qwj6Nkqz4

READY TO KILL SOME PIGS?

>>93337867
>it prints them money so it's not going to change.
For companies like Disney, pretty much anything they do that doesn't literally get them shut down is guaranteed to "print them money".

And I'm not sure about the shutting down thing.

>>93332877
>2/3

I know Kristoff is one. Who's the other?

(Haven't seen Zootopia or Moana)

>>93332705
Star Butterfly!

>>93339380
They might be talking about Nick and Judy, even though the ending didn't imply anything beyond platonic.

>>93339380

you should watch them, zootopia was amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqlaPttudUc

>>93332705
Rapunzel.

>>93332746
>Anna didn't force Kristof, she just bribed guilt tripped him
And what do you think Moana did? Threat Maui with physical harm? No, she guilt tripped him with "You stole the heart and the world is dying for it", and bribed him with "Everyone will love you if you do this".

>>93339696
That's not really a bribe though. Everyone would have loved Maui if he restored the heart whether Moana was involved or not.

>>93339752
but he was the cause of the trouble.


same with ela, she caused the trouble, and fixed it, and she's loved now.

weird.

>>93334771
The Trolls movie pissed me the fuck off.
Poppy
>willfully ignores the fact that her people were being FUCKING SLAUGHTERED like pigs for generations just a few years ago
>takes basically no responsibility for handing her pals over to the Burgens on a silver platter
>fucks his bunker and resources for no actual reason whatsoever
>continued to sojourn on without the slightest amount of self-awareness, foresight, or humility, nearly fucking dying twelve times while starting her quest
>wouldn't even let Branch SLEEP
>finds out Branch's grandmother was killed by Burgens (which, fucking duh- and this leads me to wonder if the royal class had to deal with that shit a lot less) and has her shitty little cronies fucking sing back the song Branch was singing the moment she died, which sounds like the perfect method to trigger up some PTSD to me
>decides to put everyone in danger to aide the "love quest" of a member of a monster race that fucking eats trolls
>probably rode Russel Brand Troll's slimy troll dick and is a cesspool of troll STDs, will give Branch troll clap

>never apologizes after any of this
>at the very end it's Branch that has to change, because apparently basic foresight and prudence is bad

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>>93340195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFuFm0m2wj0

at least visuals and songs are nice.


but goddamn, stop shitting on males, we're suffering enough!

>>93340385
>songs are nice
Eh, I would have preferred more original songs and less rehashed pop stuff.

>>93332737
thank you for this.

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>>93332737
I didn't want to laugh but it caught me off guard.

>>93332737
>dirty dish night
>implying that a night of dirty dishes would be special
>implying 6 days out of the week they avoid using dishes completely
What the fuck?

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>>93332737
damn this snuck up on me

>>93332737
>dirty dish night
>night
>not everyday
You're gross, Anon-kun

To be fair though:
Maoi might be Moana's actual dad if you look into the mythology shit (and since mythology never makes sense it works even if she has her mortal dad in my opinion).

Judy and Nick weren't love interests and came out of the ordeal as partners.

While Frozen threw out the old tropes about love at first sight, Kristoff and Anna date after the main movie plot.

So at least they're doing something new with it each time.

>>93332898
Yeah, no. Anna's a dick vacuum.

>>93342761
Ah, but can you be sure she's blown Kris and not his reindeer. She seems like the type to go after dick mass.

>>93335399
Why did it take so long for someone to say this? It's such an elegant joke.

>>93337225
>pussy-baited
We all know that's not what happened to Nick because he's gay.

Say what you will about modern American animated protagonists, the koala in Sing takes the fucking cake of being a huge piece of shit to people and being rewarded for it.

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>>93344581
The only thing he's gay for is bunny tail.

>>93337867
I wouldn't say irresponsible as much as paralyzed with trauma and fear caused by shitty upbringing. What did you want her to do, try to commit suicide?

Anna's the irresponsible one.

>>93346385
He wanted a medal, so he sorta did wanna help her. Plus, helping her win a race was probably much easier than winning another game, so Ralph definitely wasn't complaining. Helping her was conveniently super beneficial for him just as much as her.

>>93346385
>>93348275
Doesn't really count. She gets him involved, but not on purpose, at which point he still has a choice to ignore her. He didn't actually want a medal, he wanted to be appreciated and seen as a hero, he just didn't quite understand that himself and the medal was just a symbol of that he fixated on. So in the end he helped her first for misguided personal reasons and later because she was his friend and it was the right thing to do. Still mad Disney was too chickenshit to make them a couple. And good porn of the two is rare as fuck.

>>93332914
>Nick broke the law
What really bothers me about that plot point is that it was explicitly stated and demonstrated that Judy was denied the authority to directly access public records and knew no other public servants willing to help her, yet she still somehow accessed Nick's tax records despite not being able to even run a fucking plate number.

>>93349284
At first I thought she was bluffing, and she'd just have a blank form. It'd be better, but instead she got the real forms

>>93337225
>In Maui's case, he was forced to risk his life off the bat. Yes, he was the one responsible, but you don't have the right to force a guy into a burning building with a bucket of water just because he's the one who started it.

So, I start a fire in your home and am off scott-free because 'I shouldn't be guilted into helping'.

>He stole the heart with no ill intent
Neither have a lot of people who caused disasters. Guess what, it doesn't absolve you of your mistakes or accountability for them.

>he didn't deserve to potentially die while being forced into returning it.
Neither did the thousands of people or animals who died from the blight that spread because he stole the heart.

I'll give you the others, and never really disagreed about Kristoff to be honest.

But MAUI FUCKED UP. BAD. him trying to write it off and pretend it wasn't his responsibility anymore was even more dickish than Moana and The Ocean gang-pressing him.

>>93346822

she fucked up on multiple levels and got away with it, even rewarded. this is how every woman wants to live.

>>93332737
Damn.

Roasted.

>>93348536
>Still mad Disney was too chickenshit to make them a couple. And good porn of the two is rare as fuck.
Hmmmm

>>93332737
Is that not every day?

>>93335364
In what way was Kristoff influential to Elsa starting an eternal winter?

>>93335576
>Yes, it's despicable that a woman must trick a man into being accountable for his actions, working for the common good of the community, and lending aid to their country's sovereigns.

Moana was not his kinsmen, nor from his kingdom. In fact on the scale of it, she was beneath him in rank because he was a demigod. She had no authority over him and saying he had to fix it held about as much authorative weight as saying "Hey, you're doing something that's impuning something else. I don't want to fix it, but you have to. Never mind that you're doing what you feel is right and/or necessary for your purposes."

Moana ultimately couldn't do anything except rely on the ocean to forcefully coerce him, because Maui basically called her on that bullshit. She was in no position to argue ethics or morals or authority to him, and he owed her absolutely nothing.

>>93349731
It would be slightly better if she were bluffing, but that would require Nick to cave without even trying to look at the forms.

>>93351283
Sounds like you're talking about Anna, not Elsa