really makes you think

Why would this make me think? That isn't even a memorable scene from the cartoon.

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Truly makes one ponder.

Who are the people that sit down, look for and screencap these parallels? What terrible madness could drive a man to waste his life in such a way?

>>93306366
hey not bad

>>93306556
You already know the answer to this.

but some of these are really shitty parallels that don't actually match. And some of them are so generic that it makes perfect sense that there would be multiples of the same type of image. Like bat's shadowed profile. That isn't a unique thing, i swear we get a shadowy bat profile every time he goes and broods on a roof, his favorite nightly activity. .

>>93306281
It really doesn't though.

>>93306403
No. Just no.

>>93306403
Is this a joke on top of the photos being posted or was the creator of this really reaching this hard

>>93306281
Just like Hollywood to white wash characters.

>>93306281
>>93306295
>>93306366
>>93306403
>reaching this hard
At this point all I feel is pity for Snyderfags.

>>93306281
That BvS didn't have the score to back up its scenes. Yea I think about that.

>>93307162
?
BvS had a great score.
"You Are My World" is one of my favorite movie tracks in a while.

>>93307161
I mean, yeah, a lot of these were reaching but, >>93306366 is completely on point.

>This movie isn't shallow at all, it's incredibly layered! Snyder referenced everything important from the comics, AND that movie Excalibur!

These are real thoughts that are expressed about this movie.

Makes me think I should just give up on the movies and stick with TAS and comics

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>>93307247
That's true though.
That doesn't mean that I think it is an all time great work of art, but it is a quality film.

>>93307288
Just because it makes references?

>>93307406
No.
I said that your layers comment was true, then I said it was quality movie.
I didn't say that the allusions were why it was good.
It's good to me because I was engaged the whole time.
The allusions are just fun icing on the cake that informs who Snyder is and what his influences are.

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>Freeze framing shots from movies and comparing them to cartoons means the DCAU is good
So if I took the scene where Gwen dies in ASM2 and put it side by side with "Night Gwen Stacy Died", would that make it a good movie? They're visually similar. Is that enough for you?

>>93307542
The Gwen death scene in ASM2 is probably the best part of of the movie, so yes.

>>93306281
I really liked that scene. Does anyone else find it weird that BvS and Man of Steel get mocked for being "too dark" when they show people dying in cities during these big superhero fights, yet Avengers gets praised when all of NYC gets leveled and not a single person dies? I know it's just a superhero movie, but at the same time that's a level of stupidity that not even a child could accept.

>>93307495
Fair enough.
Sounds like how "Disaster Artist" made watching The Room a completely different experience.

>>93307588
But this seems to imply that I don't watch BvS and enjoy it how the creator intended.
I don't watch BvS like I watch The Room, I watch BvS like I watch TDK.

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>>93307555
So you're saying the whole ASM2 is good because "muh comics"? Nice. Let me guess, Dark Knight Rises is good because Batman having his back broken is visually similar to Knightfall?
>>93307495
Snyder has given his influences in interviews: only Watchmen, and not the interesting parts, just the fact that it had sex in it.

>>93307658
>Snyder has given his influences in interviews: only Watchmen, and not the interesting parts, just the fact that it had sex in it.
Snyder has talked about stuff he likes multiple times, and Excalibur always comes up.

>>93307658
>So you're saying the whole ASM2 is good because "muh comics"? Nice. Let me guess, Dark Knight Rises is good because Batman having his back broken is visually similar to Knightfall?
This is a mess.
1. I said that scene in ASM2 was good. Not "the whole ASM2.
2. TDKR is good because it's a good movie. But it's ALSO cool that they homage the comic.

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>>93306281
K I N O

>>93307706
That shot isn't in the movie.

>>93307677
So having fleeting references to King Arthur makes up for the cringey acting, dumb characters (Lois), poor pacing (trailers right before the climax), and video game boss fight? Hell I liked SOME parts of the movie like the warehouse fight, but I'm not going to pretend it's some misunderstood master piece because Snyder mentions some 80's movie in an interview.

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>>93307700
>TDKR is good because it's a good movie
It's better than the MCU at least, but it's a clusterfuck of a movie.

>>93307761
>makes up for the cringey acting, dumb characters (Lois), poor pacing (trailers right before the climax), and video game boss fight?
The only non meme here is the trailer issue.
Everything else you listed is memeage on the level of
>Pa Kent is pro child manslaughter

Also, I never once said that references were why I liked the movie.
see
>>93307495

>>93306366
I like this.

>>93307796
> It's better than the DCEU at least

>>93306281
Nope
>>93306295
Naw
>>93306366
A little, but not nearly as good in the film version
>>93306403
Not even at all

>>93308505
>but not nearly as good in the film version
Source?

>>93308534
Reality.

>>93308552
?
No, you gave your opinion.
If it was reality that would mean that any opinion other than yours on this issue is objectively incorrect.
Which is paradoxical.

I don't get why Snyder fags are still bent out of shape. MoS and BvS are just not good FILMS. Of course you can show stills, and the stills look amazing. He creates wonderful looking scenes and moments (except in Suckerpunch were everything looked like shit ass). He's just not a FILM MAKER. If he just make 2 hour long music videos, people would be damn happy.

None of that matters though, because I think Wonder Woman was good enough to make people forgive and forget a good deal of MoS and BvS. Snyder is good in a "helping out" role, with a real film maker directing. The DCEU will survive as long as a WW-tier film drops every few years, you don't have to white knight it anymore, guys. It doesn't need you to defend it.

>>93308601
WW's directing was much less controlled than Synder's though.
More "Stock".

Snyder has a style, you just don't like it and are confusing your taste with facts.

>>93308587
Did you actually read Superman: Peace on Earth. Not online, either. Did you hold the oversized book in your hands. Did you read it, can you describe how it made you feel after? I'm amazed how much BvS or MoS apologists can read into the films, because the majority of people aren't moved by them in the least. They rank in somewhere above a Transformers movie and somewhere below a less popular Marvel film.

Also, if you did read the book I wouldn't have to explain the difference in tone and context for every scene shown there. It's like how Snyder misses the intended tone for a lot of scenes in Watchmen (though the opening music video was amazing).

>>93308621
Snyder has a style the same way the incels community has a point.

>>93308662
>Did you actually read Superman: Peace on Earth. Not online, either. Did you hold the oversized book in your hands.
Yes, when I was about 6, in my local library. Don't remember anything about it.

However, my favorite Superman comic is Secret Identity, and BvS is excellent IMO.

I think /co/ doesnt get the concept of people not being able to be pigeonholed.
I'm not a Snyderfag, i'm not DCEUdrone, i'm just me.
Me and my opinions.

>>93308675
ok

>>93308621
So? It's a better film. If you want style, you can have Snyder's style all day, but your obsessing over the definition of style over substance. I'm sure Uwe Boll has a "style", that doesn't make him a master film maker. WW achieved the emotional connection that you not only want in a super hero movie, but the one you want for any work with a protagonist at all. You want her to succeed, you want her friends to survive, you want good to triumph over evil.

Snyder's style doesn't achieve that for a LOT of people, or you wouldn't be making these threads to this day. It's pathetic. MoS and BvS fans want to bully everyone into pretending the movies had the emotional weight, when they just didn't touch most people. Instead you should be asking, sincerely, why that connection wasn't made, and accepting that most people will only react to what's on the screen, they don't love a film about Superman JUST because they love Superman. Otherwise a lot less people would have hated Superman Returns.
>>93308711
Go back to your library. I don't expect you to remember the vast majority of things you only did when you were 6.

>>93308770
>Go back to your library. I don't expect you to remember the vast majority of things you only did when you were 6.
It disappoints me that you didn't engage with the meat of my post.

>>93307161
Cringed

>>93308770
>Otherwise a lot less people would have hated Superman Returns.
I'm pretty sure no one "hates" Superman Returns. They are just non-plussed by it.

You don't se the frothing at the mouth fact twisting blinding seething rage for Superman Returns that you do for Snyder's movies.

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>>93308621
Snyder hasn't made anything that moves or resonates with people as much as Wonder Woman has, though.

And it's telling that Snyder's Diana is basically a robot, but when you get Gal Gadot paired up with a good director, one who actually knows how to get performances out of people, she miraculously upgrades to "passable," and maybe even "decent." There's so, so much more to making a good movie than creating striking images and having a style.

>>93308779
Why should I? My response to the other post actually addresses it.

>I think /co/ doesnt get the concept of people not being able to be pigeonholed.
Why should we not pigeonhole? This is the same type of thread we've seen ever since MoS came out. You can't expect to change everyone's mind about a film they personally watched just by saying "see, it's like this comic that is tonally different in everyway". Snyder did an amazing job copying scenes from Watchmen, but the film doesn't stand up to the original for the vast majority of viewers (and part of that is because he gets some really flat performances from some of his actors). I mean, you could be trying to convince us the Star Wars Prequels were fucking brilliant, but that doesn't mean you'll change the hearts and minds of people who formed THEIR OWN OPINIONS. You come here demanding people respect a film they just didn't find all that appealing or brilliant. Why? What purpose does it serve except to make people hate the films' fanbase (maybe that is the purpose, I know people false flag for less).

>>93308854
>but when you get Gal Gadot paired up with a good director, one who actually knows how to get performances out of people, she miraculously upgrades to "passable," and maybe even "decent."
?
Even critics who hated BvS were praising Diana.

>>93308855
>Why?
Mostly genuine curiosity at how different someone's mindset has to be in relation to mine to have such different opinions than me.

>>93308802
MoS came out at the right time, I think. There are no real Superman Returns "defenders". Most people admit him catching the plane and the bullet hitting his eye were cool, and everything else was meh. With no one defending it, no one feels the need to rage at how Clark is a deadbeat dad who left Earth for a decade to look at some rocks and say "yeah, I guess my space family is dead", or the fact that all he does in the movie is lift stuff. Maybe if it came out a few years later, we'd be getting threads about it every week.

>>93308888
Then find an archive of the last 250 threads about MoS or BvS, write a 200 page paper about it. You'll have enough opinions to publish a book. A book called "Why don't other people accept that BvS was so fucking good, are they retarded?"

I'll pirate a copy and skim through it. Deal?

>>93308915
I mean, I like Superman Returns.
People just don't tend to misreprent it or straight up make things up about it to defame it like they do with MoS and BvS, so I just don't care as much.

I also don't like it nearly as much as MoS and BvS.

>>93308971
>I mean, I like Superman Returns.
Nigga, next you'll tell me you like Ang Lee's Hulk.

>>93308948
No deal.

I do have a theory that the world would be a better place if it was filled with the kind of people who see that The Phantom Menace is easily as good as A New Hope though.

>>93308983
Well yes.
It's kind of a confused film, but there's a lot to love.
I like TiH better though.

>>93308867
>Even critics who hated BvS were praising Diana.
>2017
>cuckmerica
>shitting on female jew in public

>>93309195
I accept your concession.

>>93306403
is the comparison meant to show how fucking shit the dc movies are compared to the animated shows?

>>93309295
Do you think that's was OP's intent?

>>93307556
You do realize that people DID die originally, right?

Its just that the tone of the movie was brighter. Man Of Steel evoked Tom Cruise War Of The Worlds, while by contrast The Avengers had the feel of World's Finest.

>>93309420
>while by contrast The Avengers had the feel of World's Finest.
Not really, because comics usually have good visuals.
The Avengers is the equivalent of the Killing Joke movie.
Good script but terrible hackneyed visuals, especially compared to the comics.

>>93309420
>You do realize that people DID die originally, right?

No, don't realize that. I saw the movie in theaters, then later with my little brother. I don't remember a single civilian death in that movie. Hell, the only death I remember is Coulson's (which was genuinely well-done and heartwarming).


>Its just that the tone of the movie was brighter.

I don't really agree. I understand that Avengers is a fundamentally more light-hearted movie, but when skyscrapers in NYC are getting knocked down, the fact that nobody dies really feels unbelievably stupid. Even for a superhero movie.

>>93306366
>>93306403
>>93306295
>>93306281

Yeah Snyder can mimic imagery but lose the message entirely. We learned that with Watchmen

>>93309473
Tell me what the message of Watchmen was and how he missed it.

>>93307162
>>93307196
The last DC movie to have a good soundtrack was Green Lantern.
Say what you want about the movie, but at least it had a theme you can hum.

I mean, seriously. Superman needs a fucking march. Not a fucking undercurrent.

>>93309499
Zimmer's MoS music is great, and you'll find a lot of people even here that agree.

>>93307871
Pa Kent wasn't pro-manslaughter, he was pro-negligence.

The latter is a misdemeanor and public shame, the former is an actual crime.

>>93309515
>he was pro-negligence.
Still wrong.
He was a man in a unique situation trying to look out for his son but unsure how to.

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>>93306281
Fucks sake, DCEUfags, you finally got ONE good movie.

Stop defending the shit one. You don't see Marvelfags trying to pretend that Thor 1 wasn't shit.

>>93309532
dumb phoneposter

>>93309313
Its hard to determine intent, we can only look at facts here.
The fact is that OP managed to show how shit the DC movies are compared to the animated shows.

>>93309546
>The fact
That seems more like an opinion.

>>93309479

Why? Ho many times have you had this argument with people? He's a fucking hack. It's telling that everything people praise him for is lifted straight from the works of better men

>>93309449
>No, don't realize that. I saw the movie in theaters, then later with my little brother. I don't remember a single civilian death in that movie. Hell, the only death I remember is Coulson's (which was genuinely well-done and heartwarming).
Watch the end of the movie, they have a board for the missing and a candle vigil for the dead.

If you look at the script, it doesn't seem that much different. Both cases the heroes primarily focus on ending the threat. But the difference is that Avengers put defeating the villains in the spotlight by having the destruction caused by an army of mooks which makes the Avengers a defending army, whereas most of MoS focused on the destruction between just two beings that were evenly matched.

To put it another way, Avengers portrays firefighters putting out a speading fire whereas MoS portrays firefighters literally fighting fire with fire and focusing on the destruction the two fires are causing.

>>93309514
You'll also find a lot of people here are ccrossboarders with /tv/, have foot fetishes, and pay to see Transformers live action movies.

It doesn't make them or the people who agree with them any less shit.

>>93309579
>It's telling that everything people praise him for is lifted straight from the works of better men
People praise him for his visual style though.
What movie from before 300 looked like 300?

>>93309593
really made me think

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>>93309545
Bitch, I'm on a computer.

>>93309610
>IMG_6526
This is an iphone filename.

>>93309573
So you're trying to say that BvS is better than BtAS.

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>>93309616
Pardon me for not being autistic enough to care about the filenames in my 4chan folder.

Also, I think iPhones actually keep original filenames for saved images now.

>>93309618
Sure. BTAS is fine and has a nice artstyle, but the golden episodes are few a far between, and even then, as sacrilegious as it is to say on /co/, i'm just not really a cartoon guy. Much prefer comics.

>>93309638
>Also, I think iPhones actually keep original filenames for saved images now.
This is a dark day.

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>>93309650
Yeah, I just checked.

If they have the photos on their computer and they sync it to the iPhone then it has an iPhone filename. If they save it on an iPhone then transfer it to their computer, it keeps the iPhone filename. If they save it on their iPhone it keeps the original filename.

You can also post animated .gifs using an iPhone so long as its saved from the source, it doesn't work naturally without some workarounds by syncing it.

So yeah. You have no way of knowing if someone is actually posting on a phone since they could just be posting an image they saved from a phone poster and didn't bother changing the filename.

>>93306556

Beats actually paying attention to the dialogue.

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>>93309692
time to die

>>93309532
I don't understand what it is about the piss jar that gets people so silly. I thought it was a good, interesting scene and something I've never seen before, which is really rare for a cape movie.

>>93310378
>I don't understand what it is about the piss jar that gets people so silly.
I think it's like a /v/ console war thing, where it's irrelevant how good or bad it is, it's just a talking point.

>>93309579
This. Snyder's white knights always come in with "Oh yeah, HOW did he miss the point?" and other shit because they know the answer, it's been the same answer since the movies came out, and they just want people to repeat themselves until they leave. It's sad.

There are a lot of creators who have unique visual styles, but even in comics (a purely visual medium) people are less likely to make excuses when a visionary artist produces a bad book. I think Jim Lee's art in "Stan Lee imagines Wonder Woman" is his usual, beautiful work... doesn't mean the book isn't shit. Snyder's fans are a lot like Snyder himself: as long as it looks pretty, it doesn't matter if you connect with the characters, the plot makes sense, or the tone is right. It succeeds by looking good.

>>93309583
>If you look at the script, it doesn't seem that much different. Both cases the heroes primarily focus on ending the threat. But the difference is that Avengers put defeating the villains in the spotlight by having the destruction caused by an army of mooks which makes the Avengers a defending army

>To put it another way, Avengers portrays firefighters putting out a speading fire

But surely MoS and BvS makes more sense, right? Avengers shows Iron Man, Thor, and the Hulk smashing through buildings. Nobody dies. I know it's just a movie, and it's just fun, but still, anyone who has lived in New York in the past 20 years know that when you knock over a massive building, a lot of people die. There should be tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of casualties.

>whereas MoS portrays firefighters literally fighting fire with fire and focusing on the destruction the two fires are causing.

I disagree. MoS shows what happens when two superpowered beings go head to head with lesser beings around them. Imagine if you and I had a fistfight on top of some anthills, that's basically the equivalent.

(and for the record, I enjoyed Avengers more than MoS. I just think the "everybody is ok!" thing at the end of Avengers is too silly even for a superhero movie)

>>93309532
>got ONE good movie.
Well-well, if it is not tumblr

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>>93310537
No one has ever explained how Snyder missed the point of Watchmen though.
At least, i've never seen it.

>>93310378
Granny's Peach Tea was the best scene in the movie. Honestly. It showed Lex would sacrifice his own people (Mercy), that he can accomplish damn near anything (piss jar into a heavily guarded government building), and he was resourceful (probably harvesting the piss from the crippled guy, who would have bags of his urine on hand).

But that's sadly as good as the movie got.

>>93310571
Two reasons.
First, he makes them too cool.
Second, the new ending and Ozy's new plan has logical inconsistencies.
Neither of these count however, because kino, so ignore my post.

>>93310583
>probably harvesting the piss from the crippled guy, who would have bags of his urine on hand
are you memeing

>>93310571
If I have to explain to you why Rorschach getting to his feet and doing kung fu on cops after he jumps from the window is "the wrong tone" then I don't think you'd understand most words I type.

Even as someone who hates the movie though, I agree that the opening music video part is AMAZING. Snyder sets a perfect mood in visuals, he just fails as a FILM maker. He's a great music video director.

>>93310590
>First, he makes them too cool.
?
Nite Owl still gets ED, Rorsoch is still an anrisocial freak, Ozy is stil la degenerate, Manhattan is still detatched, Comedian kills a pregnant lady and rapes Silk Spectre.

>Second, the new ending and Ozy's new plan has logical inconsistencies.
The squid ending can't work in a movie though as it's set up in the book purely through the far background.
The new ending is a rather ingenious work-around.

>>93310606
read my above post

>>93310593
No, really, think about it. The crippled guy has a busted spin, right? So he can't just know when he's gonna piss, he probably has a catheter and urinary collection bags. Being as he's obsessed with his anger toward Superman, I doubt he bothers to dispose of these bags regularly. So, Lex already has this guy as part of his plan, so he probably just took this otherwise wasted urine and filled a jar. The other option is that Lex pissed it the jar, but there just isn't enough time, and despite being brilliant, Lex isn't psychic and didn't know he'd have a great urine based line to reference later. I mean, he could ask his henchmen to help, but that would be weird.

Common sense says the urine came from the crippled dude.

>>93310627
I told you to ignore my post.
And the squid ending lacking setup (which it didn't because hell, bubastis is still there for some reason even though it's unnecessary) would work to its benefit as it's *supposed* to be a non-sequitor threat.

>>93310654
>The other option is that Lex pissed it the jar, but there just isn't enough time
But there is?

>>93310627
This is why people don't like you. You don't and refuse to ever understand. When you take an already set creation from one medium and want to showcase it for a new audience on a different platform, either properly adapt it or fuck off. It's really that simple.

>>93310661
>it's *supposed* to be a non-sequitor threat.
Not really for the reader though.
The reader doesn't know what it looks like, but it know that something is going on with the scientists etc all throughout the book.

>>93310679
>either properly adapt it
I just explained why your specific accusations of mis-adaptation were incorrect.

>>93310571
>No one has ever explained how Snyder missed the point of Watchmen though.
It's a meta comic which is actually about comics themselves. Making it into a movie shows he doesn't know what was the whole point of the book, unless he would've taken it a step further and make a superhero movie that was a meta commentary on superhero movies themselves. But that would require Snyder being able to interpret and create things on his own, and we all know all he's good for is mimic other's people pre-existing works of art.

>>93310704
>unless he would've taken it a step further and make a superhero movie that was a meta commentary on superhero movies themselves. But that would require Snyder being able to interpret and create things on his own

>didn't read his comments about why Ozy had bat-nipples

>>93310667
How many days passed between him asking to bring the Kryptonite to America and when the hearings took place? Lex is a busy guy, do you really think he had time planning everything AND collecting every drop of urine he produced? It's simply faster to take urine from the crippled guy, and keeping the urine all from one source would allow it to keep a rich, and consistent color.

>>93310688
There's still better workarounds.
How about instead of a "Boys" folder there's one on genetic engineering instead?

The Manhattan ending asks me to think that a planet at the brink of World War is going to ignore the fact that Manhattan was in every conceivably way an American agent for most of his tenure.

>>93310709
I think I see the problem. Your dick doesn't let out enough pee pee.

>>93310708
>>didn't read his comments about why Ozy had bat-nipples
Oh, yes, such an important message was told through those bat-nipples. What a genius!

>>93310718
>is going to ignore the fact that Manhattan was in every conceivably way an American agent for most of his tenure.
Because he nuked New York.
But you're right, they would eventually go back to fighting, which is in keeping with the comic.

>>93310708
Yeah, great, the costume department did their work.

What's sad is that Superhero movies back then didn't mean nearly what they do now. So it wasn't a full enough genre to "deconstruct". I would love Watchmen to get adapted again, perhaps as several movies, so that it can take into account modern superhero movie tropes.
>>93310719
You challenging me to a piss off, bro? Name the place, how many liters we going for?

>>93310723
But see, now you moved the goalposts. He DID comment on other capeshit movies, so now you have to see that he didn't do it "enough", as opposed to your initial "at all".

>>93310738
say*

>>93310729
Another inconsistency from Manhattan being Ozy's plan. What does The Comedian find so funny about that? Why would he lose it when he found out about it?

>>93310696
>The squid ending can't work in a movie
>The new ending

That's not adapting, you brainless twit. That's taking an already logically determined end to a set sequence of events as was already laid out by the original creator and changing them to suit your own narcissistic whims. That's the same as creating an Othello movie and allowing Othello to live or Iago to explain his entire plot like a cheap third rated villian. It completely changes the meaning, tone, and purpose of the entire piece. This is exactly why you, Synder, and all of fucking Hollywood are hated with such a passion here.

>>93310749
>What does The Comedian find so funny about that?
That Ozy had control of the world's most powerful weapon?

>Why would he lose it when he found out about it?
Exact same reason as the book. Imminent Holocaust.

>>93310750
That makes no sense.
>It completely changes the meaning, tone, and purpose of the entire piece.
Not at all.

>>93310738
I'm not moving any goal posts, I literally said that the most important thing about the original comic is that it's about comics themselves. Putting some bat-nipples doesn't make it a meta movie about superhero movies. It's just a little wink and that's all. And that's all that Snyder can ever do, the most superficial shit without any substance.

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>>93310749
Because he saw the plans and... oh wait, what plans would he see? It's seriously nothing like finding a guy is building a giant monster squid to trick the world into uniting against a made up alien threat.

All this stuff was handled better in WatchmeX.

>>93310761
Do you even understand WHY a giant squid works as opposed to a regular attack? Did you even bother to READ the comic, since you constantly fellatio this train wreck of a movie, you fuck?

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>>93306403
Thats fine.
You can do a visual homage to previous works, but there was none of the emotion associated with the originals.
Its just a hollow paper mache version of the venus de milo

>>93310773
You said
>But that would require Snyder being able to interpret and create things on his own
And I proved that he did, even if it only manifested in a wink, he hid.

>>93310729
>Because he nuked New York.
If you're a Russian general and you just saw the Kremlin get nuked by the superhuman that America has been touting out for years, to the point that he's named after one of their military programs and biggest cities, why the everloving fuck would you even believe that new york really got nuked. You'd think that shit was a ruse, or at best, a false flag, and start punching in your launch codes for a retaliatory strike.

>>93310781
>but there was none of the emotion associated with the originals.
I disagree, I found the films quite emotional. One great advantage film has over comics is score. The music does wonders.

>>93310778
I almost wish I cared enough to just storytime all of Watchmen in this thread. Then maybe the other anon would realize why the movie is so hated.

>>93310757
>That Ozy had control of the world's most powerful weapon?
And why would he find that so absurd and funny that he'd lose his mind about it?
He doesn't lose his mind about imminent holocaust in the book, but who was doing it and most of all, how was he planning to do it.
We're talking about a man who did the shadiest shit for the goverment (a goverment which had already used nukes to "bring peace" before) while laughing at the absurdity of it all. Ozy's plans were too absurd, even for him, and that's why he loses it.

>>93310778
I've decided it's bait so have fun explaining it to him.

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>>93306281
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>>93307288
How can one man be so dreamy.

>>93310778
Yes, it unites the planet. But as Manhattan says, nothing ever ends. The film ending is functionally the same. The peace won't last.

>>93310783
>Zack had an idea once, he added bat-nipples
I hope you realize how fucking retarded that makes you sound.

>>93310797
>Ozy's plans were too absurd, even for him, and that's why he loses it.
I'd say mass nuclear attack is little more large scale than anything Blake ever did, pal.

>>93310796
I own Watchmen and have read it many times. The movie is great.

>>93310802
>I've decided it's bait
That's fucking obnoxious. Respect me enough to at least believe that I believe what i'm saying.

You are an arrogant piece of garbage.

>>93310815
>(a goverment which had already used nukes to "bring peace" before)
It's nice that you skipped over this part of my post.

And like I said, The Comedian's freakout wasn't about scale only. You need to read that comic again.

>>93310835
In the film, Ozy has managed to manipulate a sentient nuclear weapon to HIS weapon.
That is what Blake is terrified of.

>>93310842
into*

>>93310807
>Yes, it unites the planet. But as Manhattan says, nothing ever ends. The film ending is functionally the same. The peace won't last.
>functionally the same
>The rest of the world, (i.e. the two greatest superpowers who have been dicking with eachother for the last 30+ years via nuclear armament) will unite as one because one nation was attacked by another
>not because an "intergalactic being" with unknown size, origin, manner, intelligence, weapons, what have you just leveled half of a metropolis in the most highly militarily and technologically advance country on the planet with no prior warning in a matter of seconds while simultaneously causing everyone left to have had literal psychological operations performed on them, all caused,created, and funded by one man's genius and hubris
>makes perfect sense

Man, you have a fine way of pissing people off. Congrats.

>>93310822
>That's fucking obnoxious.
Yeah, but so is bait.
>>93310842
What? No he didn't. He just tricked him. He manipulated him into LEAVING EARTH, so that his trick wouldn't be discovered. If the plan was "Dr. Manhattan WORKS FOR ME NOW, AND WILL KILL ALL THE BITCHES!" that would been entirely different.

>>93310911
He harnessed Manhattan's power you mongaloid.

>>93310908
You seem to be implying that the peace from the squid would be lasting.

>>93310934
And you seem to be implying that another nation attacking another one will somehow lead to world peace. We can just look into 100.000 years of human history to see that's just not the case.

What's more believable? The world stops fighting because one attacked the other or because an unknown hostile alien life force from a place we can never even touch, much less go to or even begin to fight. But whatever, right? Looks good, feels good. Psh, fucking snyderfags.

>>93310977
>What's more believable? The world stops fighting because one attacked the other or because an unknown hostile alien life force from a place we can never even touch, much less go to or even begin to fight. But whatever, right? Looks good, feels good. Psh, fucking snyderfags.
I never said the squid wasn't better, I just said that the film's ending also works and is the best possible thing they could have done outside of the squid, which they wouldn't have time to set up.

>>93310934
I know, but that's NOT "managed to manipulate a sentient nuclear weapon into HIS weapon", anon who can't spell mongoloid.

And the Squid peace could at least last a few months. Dr. Manhattan is an American, who America used to win Vietnam, who is considered loyal to America to the rest of the world. Honestly, what would stop America from just nuking New York themselves as an excuse to destroy major cities in enemy countries? America would eventually take some blame for sheltering this insane monster for all these years. Which is why Ozy chose New York, an American city, it would show the other countries no one was safe and force them to feel some pity for America despite how dickish they might otherwise see us. At least the Squid is "shit happens" no ones to blame. All you can do is rebuild and focus efforts on preventing extra-dimensional attacks.

>>93311010
>who is considered loyal to America to the rest of the world.
But the rest of the world saw him attack American population centers.

>>93310984
Excuses. There could have been a way.

>>93311042
tell me

>>93311055
>two word post demanding anon take all night to tell him how to fix a movie that had paid writers and was based on an established work
What's sad is that some of the added scenes in the director's cut are terrible. I especially remember how terrible the scene where the gang decides to go beat up NightOwl 1 is. It felt like a junior high play.

>>93311055
Newspaper articles. Have a character read a newspaper and the articles headlines progress what's happening. "Prominent Scientists and artists still missing! Police baffled!" "Top movie executive's year long secret project still ongoing." Etc. You get the idea. Then when Ozy reveals his big plan, like he does in the comic, it brings it all together.

>>93311102
It's honestly not that fucking hard.

>>93311083
>I especially remember how terrible the scene where the gang decides to go beat up NightOwl 1 is.
I don't believe that you think this.
That scene is very very well done.

>>93311102
You could, but that would then beg the question whether general audiences would follow that.

>>93311136
Who gives a shit? You want people to be engaged in a movie, to feel like they had an experience, to make them go, "Oh yeah! That's right! What a good movie." That's how you fucking do it. To have those little hints and easter eggs for those that care enough. Then you have those that paid attention feel good about themselves and those that didn't still explained to them because HE FUCKING TELLS YOU HOW HE DID IT WORD FOR WORD IN THE DAMN COMIC. FUCK.

>>93311167
But if the squid more or less came out of nowhere in the movie, joe public would call it shit.
I guarantee you.

>>93311136
No, no, NOT the scene where they beat him to death, that was pretty good! I mean, the gang members getting together on the street and one of them says "I know where that old guy is, we should teach him a lesson" or some shit. It's just the gang members and it's AWFUL, you can tell none of them are very good actors.

And dude, the movie was made for idiots. Otherwise, why did they have to STATE that the Comedian was Sally's father? It was established enough to be implied, but they said it anyway. Because they didn't trust the audience to think.

>>93311167
Even that doubt and disbelief that the audience would experience for Ozy's plan is showcased through Niteowl and Rorschach as he's explaining his master plan. That's why his "15 mnutes ago" is so memorable, because it turns that entire villain cliche on it's head.

>>93311184
>"I know where that old guy is, we should teach him a lesson" or some shit. It's just the gang members and it's AWFUL, you can tell none of them are very good actors.
Oh, okay.
I mean, that scene is so brief that it's not really a big deal for me to watch a few seconds of some struggling actor's big break.

>>93311176
So? They called it shit anyway, it made roughly as much as X-Men Origins: Wolverine (though it had a budget 20 mil less than XO:W did, so at least it didn't lose as much money).
>>93311197
It struck me as odd, because I'd never want that scene in any cut of the movie, if it was my call. I'd just leave it out.

>>93311212
>They called it shit anyway
No?
Roughly 2/3 of critics liked it, and the audience score is fin too.

>>93311176
That's why you have to make sure, as a good director, you prove to the audience that this man, this insane individual, is such a feat of the human spirit, wealthy, genius, incredibly physically fit, that him creating a monster is plausible and more-so necessary. That's why villians and monsters like Frankenstien's monster are popular, because they have just that hint sadness and madness. A mad genius creating a monster, hell, we do that everyday. Ozy just ups the scale. Plus, having the groundwork and foundation of the story strongly made as to not crumple under scrutiny helps. Most importantly? You tell people it's a cape comic movie, they'll believe in monsters. It's called suspension of disbelief.

>>93311212
>It struck me as odd, because I'd never want that scene in any cut of the movie, if it was my call. I'd just leave it out.
Damn dude, that moment really made an impression on you.
I never had an issue with it.

>>93311220
?
We already went through this.
The squid is only established through the background material in the comic.
They either needed to make a mini-series, or make a new ending.

>>93311222
I wasn't happy with the movie to begin with, and hoped the director's cut would fix a lot of the problems. All it did was extend the running time.

>>93311241
Huh. I loved the movie from the start and the DC was just a bonus. Like the LOTR extended versions.
The even longer cut with the Black Freighter animated segments is too much for me though.

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>>93307288
The still version is funnier

>>93311232
Then establish it through the background of the movie. You make it seem like such an impossibility, when in fact, it was just laziness and disrespect on the part of the director.

>>93311274
>Then establish it through the background of the movie.
This wouldn't work. General audiences wouldn't pick up on it.

If they had somehow made Watchmen for like 10 million, then hell yes background info all the way.
But you can't.

>>93311282
>General audiences wouldn't pick up on it.
So? General READERS didn't understand Watchmen very well. It took years for a lot of discussions to really develop to the point that we take for granted. Art should challenge us sometimes. You are basically saying you're fine with a film adaptation of Watchmen being a popcorn flick.

>>93311302
It's a paradox.
Watchmen can't be made on the cheap and be faithful, but expensive movies need to recoup costs.

>>93311302
>>93311309
So to add, yes, Watchmen 2009 is the best possible Watchmen movie with the way the film industry operates.

>>93311282
>This wouldn't work. General audiences wouldn't pick up on it.

See, that's where the disrespect comes into play. You literally have no regard for the intelligence or mentally capacity of the average human being. That speaks volumes on your mindset. People can pick up on good and bad movies. 100%? No, for the most part. Look at how BvS did. A gaudy narcissistic pet project from the same director. People, rightfully so, shitted on that movie. The same that people, still rightfully so, are shitting on this one. Synder will never make Citizen Kane, Godfather, Nosferatu, or hell, even the Matrix. What he can do, and should do, is play to his strengths, make movies that look good, and pass them off to a better director to draw out the true potential of any given work.

>>93311309
Then it probably shouldn't have been made.

It would actually probably work better as a short Netflix series. Pacing issues would be solved, added moments to establish the world would replace the bonus material every issue, and all the odd little things could have room to breath.

>>93311329
>gaudy narcissistic pet project from the same director.
And this speaks to your mindset.
Perception is reality my friend.

>>93311334
What is Superman? A hero. That, he has not been, since Snyder took the reins. That blame lies entirely at Snyder's feet.

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>>93311346
>That, he has not been, since Snyder took the reins.
From the very first time we see him he is saving people. Get a grip.

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>>93309601
The 300 comic dumbass. All he did was to remake the panels .

>>93311346
And gaudy sums up Synder's career to a T.

>>93311356
Which underscores any arc Clark is supposed to have. Anon was wrong, Clark is a hero... he's just not a character. In either movie, he's not a real person. He's just an icon that Snyder doesn't seem interesting in. Which is why Batman was more of a character in one movie than Superman was in two.

>>93311356
No. In fact, we seem him as a baby for 20 minutes of the movie. Then being given horrible life advice as a child, followed by running away for 30 years, picking fights, and then for no reason, having a job at the Daily Bulge, the most prestigious newspaper company in the world as a journalist, whatever his credentials he are. But hey! Being a bum must come with all that "life experience", huh?

>>93311357
>All he did was to remake the panels .
No? The movie has this inky 2D ish style. Any director can place actors where they were in the comic, Snyder created the visual style.

>>93311357
Ah, 300... his ONLY good movie.

And even then he added in a rape scene which added nothing to the film.

>>93311389
Don't the Donner movies do something similar?
I haven't seen them in a while, but I think they just plop Clark at the planet without a college degree.

I could be wrong though.

>>93311402
woman detected

>>93311396
Show an example, because I guarantee you, whatever "style" it is that you are referring to is more directed either to the genre he is portraying or to Frank Miller, the creator of that comic which Snyder copied and pasted from.

>>93311406
Don't add unnecessary scenes that cheapen the resolve, honor, and dignity of the characters when it's unneeded. It just makes you seem like a child with no understanding of what "adult" actually means.

>>93311378
>he's just not a character.
*he's just not a character that you like
Clark is a cautious but good hearted guy. Just less eager to be Supes than his comic counter part.

>>93311407
see
>>93311357
the top there
Any director can place the actors like the comic. Snyder chose to actually get it closer to the comic by making it extremely high contrast, and moving in such a way that it almost feels like a pop up book at points.

>>93311415
I mean, i'm pretty sure Brad Meltzer is a successful novelist adult with a wife, and he used rape in a way people get butthurt about too.

>>93311416
A hero inspires those around them to better themselves and to have courage.

Snyder's Superman does neither and actually has the opposite effect. Batman becomes an even more crazed lunatic, hell bent on breaking his one iron code, the people live in fear of Superman, and not one person is shown to have come out as a better person to have known Superman.

>>93311437
Was his art adapted into a movie and later disparaged by the same director like the current movies we are discussing? If not, I guess they really don't compare then.

>>93311441
Did you not actually watch BvS?
Superman saves Batman. Batman is redeemed because Bruce saw how paranoid he had become when he realized that Clark was a good man.

>Men are still good

>>93311457
>I guess they really don't compare then.
I don't follow.
Both have derided rapes, so both aren't "adult", right?
Or not.
Do you like Identity Crisis?

>>93311432
So basically he didn't just copied the placement of the characters, but also the lightingn sources. The comic panel has already the sun in the background and an high contrast in the scene.

Face it, he just copy pasted the comic as hard as he could. His visual style was completely lifted from Miller, and his only merit was in being the first to put it into a movie. He invented nothing, he just copied from a source nobody already did.

>>93311432
Yup. He copied Frank Miller's style. Good job for doing what a director should do, I suppose. Kudos all around.

>>93311416
>Clark is a cautious but good hearted guy
YOU'RE LUCKY I DON'T BREAK YOUR BONES INTO A MILLION PIECES

>>93311486
>His visual style was completely lifted from Miller, and his only merit was in being the first to put it into a movie. He invented nothing, he just copied from a source nobody already did.
Something is broken in your brain. Let's take Sin City, the movie. Robert Rodriguez adapted Miller's art IN HIS OWN WAY, as did Snyder.

Directors all approach things differently. If you told, say, Michael Bay, to copy 300 to the screen, it would look very distinct from Snyder's version.

>>93311512
see
>>93311487

>>93311472
Was Brad Meltzer artform adapted into a movie and the plot later changed? If not, then bringing him up as a topic doesn't compare. Unless you're trying to say that adding unnecessary rape is okay, even though that's childish. Are you seriously missing the point as to why adding something into a movie, especially rape, unnecessarily is an idiotic and childish way of trying to add depth to a character? Come on man. Don't be stupid.

Batman v Superman was so bad that Snyder's daughter killed herself from collateral embarrassment.

>>93311519
I'm more just baffled toward why you don't like it.
It's a perfectly fine scene IMO, not going to say it improves the movie, but it doesn't detract either.

>>93311530
upvoted

>>93311512
>Something is broken in your brain

I'm not the one that is praising a film that with the exception of like two scenes is completely lifted from the comic to the point that you can find basically every panel into it for being "innovative".

But I guess complete denial of the reality is a necessary component for liking Snyder.

>>93311467
And all it took was the lives of countless, faceless goons, breaking, entering, stealing, and lying to a corporate competitor, almost killing the entire planet, and not learning any lesson at all.

10/10 movie. Would not pirate.

Yeah, no it was MAARRRTTTHHHAA, WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME? UGHALFKNGVJBSD:LGBSN

BVS was a shit sandwich topped with disappoint and failure

>>93311549
Can you just address this?
>Directors all approach things differently. If you told, say, Michael Bay, to copy 300 to the screen, it would look very distinct from Snyder's version.
Can you refute this?

>>93311554
At least you admit that Clark saved Bruce. That's what I call progress.

>>93311559
>Can you refute this?

Why would I do? It has nothing to do with the argument. The fact that Snyder copy of the comic wasn't perfect it doesn't change that the visual style was almost completely copy pasted.

If you take an artist and make him do a painting of the statue of liberty as faithfully as possibile you don't attribute imperfection caused from a trasposition into a different media "innovative".

>>93311582
>"innovative"
I didn't say this though?

>>93311559
You still haven't showed a single thing that wasn't lifted from the comic thought.

>>93311532
It's legitimately distracting from the movie, adds nothing whatsoever to the plot, and cheapens the entirety of the movie. You even said yourself it doesn't improve the movie, so why bother adding it into the final cut? What possible reason could you possibly have to add a rape scene into a movie where A.) the central plot is not about leonidas and his wife relationship as lovers, rather his fight against xerxes, country vs country, husband/father/king protecting what's his against a foreign invader. and B.) was not in the original story.
Stupid, shallow, narcissist Snyder, that's the reason. You don't need to add, "OMG she was raped xP" when he won't even find out. It's just pointless.

>>93311582
>It has nothing to do with the argument.
then address this
>>93311512
>Let's take Sin City, the movie. Robert Rodriguez adapted Miller's art IN HIS OWN WAY, as did Snyder.

Can you not comprehend that different people do things different ways?

>>93311594
>and cheapens the entirety of the movie.
????>>93311593

>>93311593
see
>>93311598

>>93311594
It's a total non issue you fool. It's perfectly fine in the movie, and is as engaging as anything else in said movie.

>>93311588
You said he created the art style. Which is blatantly false, as the movie created nothing, just lifted from the comic. The fact that the lift wasn't perfect doesn't mean he invented anything.

>>93311594
>Can you not comprehend that different people do things different ways?

Which is the reason his copy wasn't perfect?

>>93311602
We are talking about visual style you retard. I already admitted that there are scenes that aren't from the comic. Their art style still copies that of the comic.

>>93311616
>Which is blatantly false,
Not at all.
Film is a separate medium. Frank MIller didn't create Snyer's film translation.

>>93311565
lol. No. It was mere coincidence, chance, that saved Clark from Bruce's ultimate surrender and Lois, luckily (wink,wink, nudge,nudge) who had to explain it to him. My God, even the delivery was a done in such a hamfisted, awful, assbackwards, idiotic way that neatly shows the absurdity of the whole situation. Snyder can not do anything right, except visuals.

>>93311627
see
>>93311630

>>93311633
>It was mere coincidence, chance
wha
Bruce realizes that the object of his paranoia has been a good person on along thereby restoring his hopes.

>>93311643
By a random woman's name, that literally could have been anyone, at any point, in clark's life. Bravo, Snyder, bravo.

>>93311650
I think you are playing dumb.

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>>93311630
>Snyder created noting, his merit was just to port an already existing visual style into a different medium
>Not at all, film is a separate medium

>>93311613
When leonidas kicked the messenger down the well, that was engaging. When leonidas threw his spear at xerxes, that was engaging. When even the freak was at Xerxes tent, THAT was engaging. This, just an idiot's tool for character depth and add a cheap sex scene.

>>93311549
>>93311582
>>93311616
>>93311627
>>93311668
Okay, i've made this as absolutely explaining to a child-tier as I can make it-

Snyder was tasked with translating Miller’s striking art to live action.
*He did it in the way he knew how.*
Michael Bay would have come up with something different.
Bryan Singer would have come up with something different.

etc

>>93311653
All Clark says is Martha. Then Bruce begins throwing a temper tantrum like an autist, and suddenly he's a-okay with the man he has been trying to murder for the last 2 years, even though literally nothing else has changed.

>>93311671
I'm not seeing your point. The rape fits right in line with scenes like the young naked oracle writhing around.

>>93311680
>Then Bruce begins throwing a temper tantrum like an autist
I'm out.
You win.
You're right. I'm sorry. I'm a bad person.
I'm truly truly remorseful for what i've done.
I don't... I see what you meant know.
Fuck those movies were bad.

>>93311679
Do you realize what those all would have been though? All those "interpretations"? Frank Miller's style. Just copies of Frank Miller's style. Do you begin to see where you start to lose the argument and people are calling you out for saying "Snyder's style"? Are you finally understanding?

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>>93306281
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>>93311695
No, because he translated a comic to live action.
You would maybe have a case if he just made a cartoon.

>>93311686
>The gods wisdom passing down from high above through their chosen conduit to give counsel to a king
>rape a man's wife

At last, I truly see how right you truly were. Oh, how could I have been so blind?

>>93311715
I accept your concession.

>>93311705
>>93311679

You are an idiot if you think that Sin City and 300 have more in common with other film of the same directors than with each other. They are different interpretation caused by the different director, but the art style is Miller's.

>>93311705
Wow. I'm done with you. You literally have no respect for either of the board's topics of choice. Why are you even here? Go the fuck back to your circlejerk in /tv/ or wherever it is the hell you came from. No one likes Snyder. He's a hack. Nothing you or anyone else says is going to change that fact.

>>93311726
>and 300 have more in common with other film of the same directors
300 definitely does.
The fight scenes in the DCEU, even in WW, are very much in the vein of 300.

>>93311728
>or anyone else
But I thought you said NO ONE liked him.

>>93311691
I forgive you. Because you didn't know any better.

>>93311728
Have you seen Snyder's animated film?
Ga'Hoole?

>>93311732
Yeah. You're just some faggot from somewhere else just trying to cause shit and stir the pot.

>>93311729
>same director
>even in WW, are very much in the vein of 300.

Holy shit I'm out.

>>93311737
I wish I hadn't.

>>93311754
It's a good movie though.

>>93311746
Yeah, he's just, I don't even know. He's probably Snyder himself trying to defend whatever dignity he thought he had left.

>>93311755
Right.... Like all of his other movies. Look man, it's alright if you enjoyed them. That's not what we're pissed about. What we're mad about is that you keep trying to insist that whatever Snyder screeches out from his behind is somehow a masterpiece and it's not. He's a bad director who makes bad movies. You like them, cool. Everyone else recognizes them for what they are. Pure, unadulterated hot garbage.

>>93311783
No, I like them because they are good.

>>93311790
Whatever you say, kiddo. Whatever you say.

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>>93311783
>we

>>93311794
>Whatever you say
But I thought you disagreed with me?

>>93311790
Objectively?

>>93311807
I mean, they are objectively above average as far as technically aspects of blockbusters go, beyond that my appreciation is of course subjective.

>>93311815
*technical
hoo boy i'm tired

>>93311806
You can be wrong. That's your choice.

>>93311826
So your opinion is objective and mine is subjective?

>>93311815
Knock knock

>>93311833
who dat nigga

>>93311837
Snake

>>93311842
snake hoo

>>93311843
Call me Snake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO3wcgCcA3c

>>93311847
ok my niqqa we good tho

>>93306281
BvS was the best movie of all time. Everything about it was masterful.

>>93311856
for you

>>93306403
All you did was show us how Margo Robbie has range of facial expressions of a plank.

And we have an entire movie about that.

>>93306300

Speak for yourself, i loved that scene, superheroes saving defenseless people is the best shit.

/tv/ please leave forever.

>>93307288
Bad is a quality

>>93311020
>Country nukes his own cities = World Peace
???

>>93311406
>>93311437
>>93311532
>not going to say it improves the movie
Then how is it "perfectly fine", anon? When I said above that it didn't add to the film, and you retorted childishly, it's because it ADDED NOTHING TO THE FILM. I read the original comic, and even in the movie he sends the storyteller back to rally everyone to war by telling the tale of their sacrifice. How does the wife's rape scene add to that? There is already a character who's purpose in the story is "rally everyone for war"... so the wife's entire plotline is redundant. I grew up on 80s Canon movies where rape was used as an excuse to gets tits on screen, but the rape scene in 300 served less purpose than a random rape in a Death Wish movie. It was just a few minutes of filler, and I guess Snyder called it "empowering" and people let it slide because the rest of the film is so beautiful and stylish. But don't pretend worthless scenes that add NOTHING to the film are "perfectly fine". Taking focus away from the Spartans at the front was a pointless diversion.

>>93311020
Fake news. Didn't actually happen. False flag. American ploy. It was one of our allies that struck back; we should do the same right now.

The squid works because of the old "black and white gang up on green" cliche. Manhattan fails because it's literally the opposite of that.

>>93311790
I wonder what causes the mental defect that makes Snyderfags believe their taste is objectively right. I mean, we only get these threads because they cannot comprehend that people have differing tastes. They simply can't accept anyone not liking the movies and have to say that all those people are "wrong", but when they are called out on bad opinions it's "art is subjective".

Are these all just false flag trolls? Because I find it hard to believe one fanbase can be this full of hypocrisy and prone to being disingenuous. They know exactly why people don't like the films, but demand we repeat ourselves over and over, so I can only assume this is summer newfag trolling on an easy topic.

It's no effort at all, but I kinda like seeing all the people who will explain how and why these films mostly fail. I especially like when simple suggestions from armchair directors would make a much better film.

Regarding the "Martha" scene, wouldn't it have made more sense for Lois Lane to just throw herself between Batman and Superman? And then Batman realizes that he's about to kill an innocent woman, maybe has a flashback to his mother standing in front of him, and drops the spear?

>>93315619
>I wonder what causes the mental defect that makes Snyderfags believe their taste is objectively right.
They actually believe the kino meme instead of the sarcastic derision it's supposed to be.

>>93315659
There are so many ways the scene could be better, it's hard to believe no one though of even one of them.

>>93315659
Not really. Because the entire conflict is still contrived bullshit that requires Bruce to say one thing (if Superman goes bad we're all fucked) but Snyderfags to go "that was a lie, he REALLY was just acting out of grief" or "He was trying to commit suicide by alien!" when it gets pointed out that the argument Bruce puts forth is not only unaddressed, but honestly kind of right.

Because "he realized Clark was human!" doesn't actually mean Clark is immune from going bad; just the opposite. So the entire argument has to be moved to something defensible.

>>93306281
you Snyder fags aren't even trying anymore

>>93315751
I agree that Bruce's argument makes perfect sense, Superman is still fallible and if he ever snapped the entire world would be fucked. But at the same time Bruce is a crazy man, it could take something really random to cause him to change his mind. Not something as stupid as "oh, Martha was my mom's name too!", but actually being forced to choose between sparing Superman and killing an innocent person to kill Superman.

I think the conflict isn't contrived bullshit. Like you pointed out, the argument Bruce puts forth is kind of right. It makes a lot of sense for Batman to want to kill Superman. I think it was a mistake for Snyder to cram Lex Joker and Wonder Woman into the movie, the whole premise worked fine with just Batman and Superman. Hell, in the movie, even Lex says that it took so little effort on his part to make Batman try to kill Superman.

>>93315571
Further more, Manhattan would be just another piece on the endless war cycle humanity is locked into. Ozy's plan was to break the cycle, therefore it needed to be something completely alien (in this case, literally). The point of the comics is that even then, it won't work because evil villain comic book plans don't work with real humans, just like comic book heroics don't.

>>93315703
This, it all started as a joke that a bunch of very loud people took seriously.

>>93306556

You are on 4chan, Anon. Trust your feelings, you already know the answer.

Delete these threads, please.

>>93316184
I'd be ok if Martha would be a thing that kinda makes him hesitate for a second, but you need to follow it with something else after that. In the movie, he pretty much ditches his two year long plan of killing Superman because Superman's mom has the same name as his. We all know what they tried to say with that scene, but the way they did it come out totally forced and silly.
I mean, it's not even consistent with the movie itself. Everybody needed to have several soliloquies about their plans and motivations, but then it's "oh, Martha, I guess we're best buddies now". It's really dumb.

>>93306281
>>93306295
Man, if Affleck could just get a really good script he could be the GOAT live action Batman.

Hope Reeves movie delivers.

>>93308662
the point wasnt to ape the tone of Peace on Earth, but to use the same ideas from it in a different context. Like how it took scenes from The Dark Knight Returns and completely flipped them on their head contextually.


It amazes me that people think if someone is referencing or using a scene from something it HAS to be the same exact tone or else they just didnt get it. When, in comics themselves, people are constantly using bits and pieces from previous stories but re-contextualizing them to say something.

>>93307542
Are you somehow implying the DCAU isn't good?

>>93315751
>>93316435
You are kind of dumb, arent you? The Martha thing doesnt make Batman hesitate, it makes Batman choke Superman out harder.

Also the point is that while Batman's argument could be correct (and is basically the same argument as Lex's, "what if this all powerful guy wasnt as good as we thought he was") he realizes what so many people in these threads cant seem to grasp. Superman is just an inherently good guy. He wants to do good, its all he wants to do for the world. And sure he is a man and has flaws, and COULD turn at some point, but Bruce sees that his very actions of trying to stop the threat before it becomes one IS what would create the very threat he fears.


Another way to prevent Superman from ever turning is to trust him, believe in him, and support him when he fails. Like Lois. Like how Alfred does for Batman. Like how Batman did for his Robins.

>>93315659
>>93315740
saying Martha didnt get him to stop though, he just chokes out Superman harder.


Its Lois coming in that gets him to stop.

Is it really this easy to impress Snyderfags?

>>93317133
No, I love the DCAU. I'm saying that just because a movie has similar imagery to it (probably not on purpose, Snyder hasn't watched the cartoons) doesn't make it good.

>>93308984
>boring dumb political shit about trade routes

yeah so much fun, really great movie.

>>93317357
I like the DCEU a lot and I agree with you. IDK why people post this shit so much.

>>93310571
its weird how so many actual creatives in Hollywood love Snyder films

http://heroichollywood.com/jay-baruchel-batman-v-superman/


But I'll take their opinions over critics anyday.

>>93308621
I suppose you could call wiping your ass on a comic book for three hours a style, but that wouldn't do anything about the smell.

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>>93317046
So he took the visual and either disregarded the tone or didn't understand it. None of what you're saying makes it inherently good film making. Just as making a reference isn't by itself a joke, it isn't by itself brilliant. If he had Batman riding a T-Rex, is it suddenly brilliant because he's using imagery from Odyssey? You're "point" is just agreeing with everyone who says the imagery is imitated without the tone or context, yet you want that to be a positive despite how most other people see it at a negative. Are you just bullshitting me now?

>>93317389
And remember the complete lack of a protagonist, or many good characters at all. Shit, the only character I kinda like was Qui Gon, and the movie would have been much better if he wasn't in it so that Obi Wan would be the lead character.

>>93317784
But Returns was trash.

Good job emulating trash.

>>93317771
>>93317784
>>93317793
>>93317804
Look, I get what you're trying to illustrate, and while some clever symbolism is laudable, BvS is still far, far less than the sum of its parts.

>>93317949
I think he wants to convince a bunch of people he doesn't know that interesting looking scenes, by themselves, make a great film. But everyone knows that isn't true. A film is an entire work, it can't just look pretty and make references to things. Otherwise a book of famous quotes would be considered an amazing novel.

>>93317157
>Superman is just an inherently good guy.
No one stays good forever.
How many good people have gone bad, etc.
If you define humanity by its fallibility and spend 2 movies humanizing Superman with all the emotional frailties and weaknesses that come with it then you can't just go "he's just good okay!" Doesn't work like that. Believing in him doesn't mean he's going to be guaranteed good forever; Alfred believed in Batman, right? Batman still went off the deep end here. And that's even before you consider stuff like mind control or coercion, the former of which is Darkseid's bag and the latter of which happened in this same movie.

Ergo, contrived bullshit.

I have no problem with "Martha". Bruce WOULD get triggered by that shit. He's dumb like that. The conflict leading up to it is the real problem, not the wet fart of its resolution.

DCEU confirmed for mysognitistic whitewashing fucks.

#triggered #feminism #BLM #WWwasright

>>93306556
If someone is a film/art major then this is their job

>>93306281
that girl really stuck out to me