Where can I read Dredd easily and for free?

>>93296863
Your local comic book shop, Barnes and Noble or order themore online. No need to fuck the publisher due to being broke or just too lazy to buy it. That's why so many good books get cancelled, cause of theives.

>>93296863
on the internet

>>93296905
I'm not really familiar with the comics industry, is it really that bad? Because, for instance, piracy in the game industry is not a problem at all. Movies, eh, not that prejudicial too.

But if the comic industry is that bad I might buy them instead

Downloading banned comic books is three months in the cubes PER PAGE. Are you willing to take the risk, creep?

>>93296949
Comics are an industry that are struggling to survive. Movies and videogames can tolerate piracy because there's so much money to be had that a tens of thousands of people pirating their stuff isn't going to be the end of the world.

It's the reason why comics and familiar characters have to change so often. The audience is constantly changing so stories and motifs have to change to appeal to the audience. Mario can always be about platforming because at the end of the day there's always going to be enough people that like platforming in videogames. Same can't be said for niche comic readers.

>>93297985
Well said.

>>93297725
I-I gotta get my fix of zarjaz, anon! I can't afford this much thrill-power legally!

>>93296949
>piracy in the game industry is not a problem at all

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you. Fucking. Kidding me?

>>93296863
In the cubes!

>>93297985
>>93298664
Fuck off you worthless samefag trash.

>>93298730
>thinking piracy has ever negatively affected any media producer that isn't already too big to fail

Lots of cocksucking retards on /co/. Piracy is the most effective form of advertising there is. This has been demonstrated so many fucking times it's not even funny. The only people who can be hurt by piracy are those who are already so huge that further advertising doesn't help them.

Why the fuck do you people come to 4chan anyway? Fuck off back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

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>>93298779
You're an idiot who needs to learn how to 4Chan. Shit post elsewhere summerfag. Go back to /b/ you casual fucking moron.

>>93296949
Nobody reads comics. Even less people buy them. Once you're outside of Marvel/DC you're a huge success if you can sell 20,000.

>>93298842
>You're an idiot who needs to learn how to 4Chan
>4Chan

>>93298882
Well done. You got called out, be mad bitch. Go be 12 on another board. Back to /b/ summerfag. KYS when you get there.

>>93297985
>Mario can always be about platforming because at the end of the day there's always going to be enough people that like platforming in videogames. Same can't be said for niche comic readers.
How has 2000 AD survived so long?

>>93299260
By being owned by a video game publisher who keeps it going to farm the ips.

>>93298826
>This has been demonstrated so many fucking times it's not even funny

Ah, yes, that classic study by Dr. Youssef Ucking Fullofshit. I remember that one. Good shit. Totally made lousy freeriders feel completely okay because maybe, just maybe, somewhere down the line someone finally ponied up some cash. It wasn't them, obviously, and it wasn't their friends, because why would friends of pirates pay for things recommended by pirates that's fucking stupid, and it couldn't be friends of friends of friends but somewhere. Somewhere down the line the purchase was finally made that absolved the pirate of taking without giving. Thank goodness.

>>93299383
>>93298826
This is bullshit. Its a way they can steal and be okay with doing it. Cognitive dissonace.

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>>93299383
Or to quote Pay Mills
>FUCK YOU, PAY ME

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>>93299373
>>93299260
Way I've heard it they get very, VERY good TPB sales. The weekly prog sales are by all accounts meh to OK, sometimes pretty dire, but stuff like the Case Files and big collections of old series sell really well. And now they're starting to reprint long out of print stuff like One-Eyed Jack, so that should keep them afloat for a while. That said, there are no hard numbers that I've found so I'm mostly going by what I've heard on the Thrillcast and such.

As for the vidya thing, they haven't really farmed them extensively outside of Rogue and Dredd, and of those only Rogue was really successful. What did help them a lot in that front was digital distribution, since all their previous games had a hard time making a profit due to publishing costs. Now that they can sell direct to consumer, even moderately successful game series like Sniper Elite turn in a profit.

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>>93296863
>free

>>93299606
I dunno what the prog sales are like now but when I was reading physical I remember it being around 20k or so.

>>93296905
I don't think you understand what being broke means.

>>93299260
The basic set up has always been true- Judge Dredd is a brutal but fair Judge in a dystopian future. He isn't brutal because he finds enjoyment but because it really is necessary to keep the order in Mega City One.

But what does change is the setting around him. Characters come and go when they're needed like Walter the Robot, Judge Dredd's Niece, and his assortment of usual perps who die when the plot requires it. He's been there when Mega City One was at it's height, been nuked, and rebuilt. He's also been to the moon and space stations. 2000AD survives because it's always changing and keeping things intresting. If plots are a formula then the constant is Dredd and everything else are variables that can be changed and experimented with. The company isn't afriad to use occult plot elements, sci-fi, detective noir, comedy, arguments over democracy, or utilizing contemporary social issues.

>>93299710
>He isn't brutal because he finds enjoyment
Hmmmm

>>93299657
Rebellion don't release that information (because why would they) but what I've heard 2000ad is between 10 and 15,000 for physical and about the same again on digital.
For comparison IDW's Dress on going sells around 5,000 a month

>>93299946
>because why would they
To be honest I think comics companies not releasing full sales information is pretty detrimental to drumming up support.

>>93299710
>If plots are a formula then the constant is Dredd and everything else are variables that can be changed and experimented with.
Dredd isn't even a constant- the setting is interesting enough that it works great even when Dredd is in the background or nonexistent, like Anderson Psi-Div, Lowlife, all the Dredd one-shot progs focusing on normal cits getting up to kooky shit, etc.

>>93299776
work on your reading comprehension anon

>>93300015
Pretty sure Dredd does find enjoyment in brutality, and not just in the 90s Millar/Morrison era.

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>>93300037
Absolutely not. He does what the law requires, no more and no less- he might be harsh, but he's just following the Justice Dept's rules and regs, not being brutal for his own good. This isn't Deadworld we're talking about here.

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>>93300037
Enforcing the law and fighting crime is literally what he was made to do and he gets a lot of thrills and excitement from it, although of course he never shows it. And there's also the matter that, in his mind, there's a certain comfort to be found on the streets, where life is simple and things are crystal clear.
Dredd's enjoyment of his job isn't a fetishistic power trip centered around ultra-violence, but more a sense of absolute satisfaction that this is the job he was brought upon this world to do.

>>93300141
>God
>not Grud
WHO WROTE THIS, I WANT THEIR HEAD

>>93296863
While I have no download links, you can find Dredd in pirate form in various formats:

Individual progs (though be warned, these go back only a couple of years and each only has an eight page Dredd story in them)

Pre-existing TPBs/HCs/Casefiles

The "Director's Cut" Casefiles which replace the B&W pages with the colorized pages from the Eagle run plus include stories/editorial materials that did not make the Case files that flesh out the Dredd Universe but don't directly involve Dredd himself

The original 33 Eagle comics put out that were the first Dredd books reprinted in the US, in full color as well, with new covers from Bolland and McMahon.

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>>93300167
Pic related. Although it could've been Alan Grant, too.

>>93300217
>fucking up your own creation
but how

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>>93300241
And that's not even the worst part of it. In the very same story that quote comes from, Judge Dredd... SMILED! And let criminals run free!

>>93300183
>Individual progs (though be warned, these go back only a couple of years and each only has an eight page Dredd story in them)
The other series in 2000AD are completely worth reading, though. Unfortunately getting invested into them means it hurts that much more when they go on hiatus as opposed to ever-present Dredd.

>>93296949
OK so films are a pretty mainstream product. They have an enormous customer base of every type of demographic, age and gender. The film industry markets broadly and effectively to as many people as possible. And it still has a big piracy issue.

Comics are no longer a staple of American youth. They cater to the markets of hobbyists and fanboys. The kind of computer dwelling nerd people who are most likely to pirate and download stuff.

Piracy is an enormous issue in the comics industry. Because so much of the market is pirating everything else they get anyway.

If the film industry is suffering due to piracy, the comic industry is get Holy hell beaten out if it.

Comic book artists used to be millionaires. Now you can barely pay a mortgage on comics. It's an income comparable to low level insurance broker.

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>>93300309
>tfw going through all the progs
>finishing Nemesis book IX
>knowing it'll be literally years until The Final Conflict
Even with the guest appearances and short stories, I can't imagine the kick in the nuts that must've felt at the time.

>>93296863
Past! OP, over here...
Listen I can hook you up but if the Jays catch you, you don't know me I don't know you.
http:/>>93296863
Past! OP, over here...
Listen I can hook you up but if the Jays catch you, you don't know me I don't know you.
[Spoiler]Readcomicsonline search Dredd [/spoiler]
Also word on the slab is the win-o thread posts new issues every week but you didn't hear that from me

>>93300367
Failing this hard has got to be a criminal offence.

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>tfw no extra thicc judge-marshal secretary to sit on my face as she does paperwork
why even live, bros?

>>93300309
Well, it's more like the ones that are worth reading vastly overcompensate for the ones that aren't.

>>93300401
Well fuck...
It's the cubes for me I guess

>>93296949
>I'm not really familiar with the comics industry, is it really that bad
It's print media. None of it is looking good. That's been the case for the last 10-15 years.

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I guess its time

FOR ARSOLI

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>>93300913

Hate the art, one of Biz worse, but man, the story !

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>>93300928
Arsoli is the gift that keeps on giving, I never tire of reading it

>>93300928
>that second panel
>dredd's fucking boots
What in the goddamn, Bisley? I'm only okaying this because I've jerked off to your amazon ladies so many times.

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>>93300954
And there's more !

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>>93300977
Panel 4, the highlight of Judge Dredds 40 years

Foot, Bang, Rumble !

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>>93300995
And short, but sweet, end with the tanks pointing at the fat mans ass

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Tell me, honestly,

Would Marvel or DC ever consider a storyline as bold as Arsoli for one of their main capes ?

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Arsoli brings a smile to everymans face

There is literally nothing wrong with piracy.

You owe NOTHING to massive corporations. Absolutely nothing. You didn't ask to be born, and you did NOT agree to the rules. You did not agree to the value of goods or the value of money. You did not agree to obey the law.

Do whatever the fuck you want, and don't get caught. Enjoy yourself. That is the only way to live.

>>93301267
you must be 18 to post on this site

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>>93301267
CONFESS

>>93301140
If this were released today, there would be a thousand vore jokes made within the hour of its release
I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not
>>93301064
Considering that people literally do not masturbate in the DC universe (still one of my favourite 'comics are a weird industry' anecdotes) I doubt they'd do it, and I don't think modern Marvel would be as bold as to have one of their heroes work for the TSA

>>93301364
That anecdote was a while ago senpai.

>>93301267
>AM I BEING DETAINED

>>93301382
True, but until they saw or show otherwise I like to assume its true, Neil was right in that it would explain a fair amount about the DC universe

>>93301267
this is true tho

give me one good reason why i am required to give money (an abstract conceptual number invented by people with social status to maintain that status) to companies for things they create regardless of whether i pay them

there's just no fucking reason to participate in a shitty system that was invented millennia before your birth instead of choosing happiness

anyone who feels guilty about cheating a corporation can suck my pirate cock

and dont give me that "if you dont pay, they wont make your favorite shit" excuse. there will always be more than enough media in this world than i can ever possibly enjoy, so who gives a fuck if specific things get discontinued

get some fucking perspective you fucking sheep

>>93301267
>sent from my IPhone my daddy bought me

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>>93301267
>>93301728
M'Niggas

>>93301745
Do you feel in charge?

Stay oppressed, dumbass.

>>93301728
Congrats on rationalizing your way into niggerdom and gypsyism.

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>>93300513
NOT FOR SEXUAL

>>93298730
Ubicucks get off MY BOARD! Judensoft and Memethesda are the only companies i pirate off because of their attitude towards the PC player.

>>93301849
That's the price of freedom, child.

Niggers and gypsies, however, are unfinished. They never found the place where I have arrived. A place where you experience no animosity. Just peace.

You can come here too, but it seems like you made your decision. Now die by it.

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>>93301728
>and dont give me that "if you dont pay, they wont make your favorite shit" excuse. there will always be more than enough media in this world than i can ever possibly enjoy, so who gives a fuck if specific things get discontinued

Who gives a fuck if Granny dies miserable and alone because you neglected her? There's more old people in the world than you could ever love.

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> A place where you experience no animosity. Just peace.
>Now die by it.
BOY I SURE LOVE THOSE COMIC BOOKS, YOU FUCKING INCORRIGIBLE FAGGOTS

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>>93301898
>A place where you experience no animosity. Just peace.
>You can come here too

If only everyone was like this.

>>93301898
Sounds like you're about ready to teleport behind me, huh fedora-kun?

>>93301931
>mfw it's gonna be years until we get any more news about the TV series
At least Deadworld is getting a collection this fall, so that's cool.

>>93301921
Are you equating human life to shitty comic books?

Because you're actually right, and I'm proud of you for contextualizing your own false attachments.

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>>93299675
It means get a job.

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>>93301898
>A place where you experience no animosity. Just peace.
>Implying an ideology that glorifies theft can ever no peace

You're nothing but a bandit who hides behind a shitty idea. You're a literal parasite who thinks you can take what you want because "someone else will always make more for me".

The ironic thing is, your ideology gives corporations the moral clearance to absolutely fuck over everyone they want because hey, they're always be more paying customers! They're just a group of people exercising their freedom to take whatever they want, however they want.

>>93301875
That's exactly what she's for

I want to deputize her ass under the jurisdiction of my genitals

>>93302047
You seem to be making a lot of assumptions. You're equating piracy to theft which is already going full retard, so I can't help you. We can't have a discussion if you refuse to even educate yourself on the basics.

I am happy. Why should I willingly abandon that happiness? Give me a single good reason.

>>93302054
>not her soft, soft tummy

Reminder that >>93302047's tax dollars are what allows >>93302086 to live.

>>93302124
Yeah and I thank him for that. So what? If people are going to abandon their own happiness and delude themselves into doing more than they need to, why should I not live on the excess? Why should I choose suffering over happiness simply because "that's the way things are". I'm hurting nobody. You're only hurting yourselves.

>>93302124
That's not fair. It might be his parents that support him. You don't know.

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>>93302054
>FIVE YEARS for making lewd suggestions to a judge
Drokking hell!

>>93302262
Why do those without happiness always insist upon deluding themselves into thinking happiness is unobtainable, and those that have it are lying?

My life is better than yours and it always will be.

>>93302339
>My life is better than yours and it always will be.
lol

>>93302245
I'm assuming it's welfare and not parents in the sole case that if it's autism-bucks, it isn't complete fraud.

>>93302365
You don't have to put up a front. You can weep here. You are anonymous. You have nothing to hide.

>>93299383
>Dr. Youssef Ucking Fullofshit
That's a good one.

>>93302402
He works out of Sigmund Freud Block.

>>93302401
lol

Why the need to justify piracy? There's no need to do that, it's dumb, if you really need one you can just use "because that way I get it for free". That's the best and most simple one.

Is piracy theft? Who fucking cares, just pirate if you want.

I'm not gonna lie though, I would actually steal stuff from stores and people if there was no danger of getting caught.

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>>93302401
>You don't have to put up a front. You can weep here.
Th-Thank you...

>>93302522
No problem. I'm here for you. We need to focus more on helping each other instead of faceless corporations.

We must not be afraid to feel. We must not forget that we CAN feel.

>>93302502
Nothing's more embarrassing than someone using purple prose to explain they want shit for free and no one's going to stop them.

>>93302502
I've heard this called the principal of reasonable greed. People generally like the idea of a just society but it's just not reasonable to expect them to pass on free shit when it's practically being handed to them.

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This conversation about neets and welfare reminds me of a question I had about Mega City One

In some of the earlier Dredd materials, and in the original GW Dredd RPG, the flavor text mentions that aside from a few skilled jobs, employment is basically nonexistent, with most labor handled by robots. Citizens spend their entire lives on the dole, and most crime is the result of the boredom and restlessness that comes with having nothing important to do and knowing that you are completely worthless and replaceable to society.

But since then, we've had stories about people losing their jobs and housing, about the Low Life where everyone works a blue collar job, about homeless people like Dirty Frank, about a money economy where most people are either gainfully employed or trying to find a job to avoid being evicted, starvation, etc.

Is there an in-universe explanation for this change? Is it the result of the constant robot uprisings, alien/demonic/soviet invasions, and other disasters bringing back the need for human labor? Or does the Meg 1 economy just function however a given writer wants it to for the purpose of the story at hand?

>>93302573
And how do the workers feel whose hard work you stole? What of their families who rely upon them for support? By stealing their product you have may as well have stolen the money from their pocket or the food from their mouth.

Your ideology of parasitism does humanity no good when one man leeches off the work of countless others. You are more of a leech than the corporations you abhor, who at the very least give some compensation for services rendered.

>>93302639
Morality hasn't caught up with economics yet. This is nothing new. It's happened many times before, and it will happen long after our way of life has been forgotten.

Right now, digital media has infinite supply, meaning it's mathematically impossible to steal from the supply. With infinite supply, the concept of demand breaks down. Some newer companies are already beginning to learn that this shift is inevitable.

These companies are smartly investing in the business of platforms over the media itself (ie. Netflix, Hulu, Spotify, even YouTube, and other subscription services). People will choose to pay if the quality and convenience of the platform outweighs the ease and simplicity of piracy.

Many people still believe it's possible to simply end piracy and go back to a time before infinite supply, but it's not going to happen. The reason these beliefs pervade so widely is because older corporations who don't want to change invest quite a lot of money in maintaining that public opinion.

But that just delays the inevitable.

>>93302736
Here we go again. Piracy is not stealing. Whether you choose to pirate or not, that much is a fact. Second, study after study has proven pirates have a far higher rate of investment in a given product than the average viewer, which directly translates into a measurable increase in merchandise profits from those individuals. Pirates are far more profitable customers than your average joe. Third, you can't seriously be implying that piracy actually affects employees on the ground level. If you are, then you probably haven't read into the subject very much, and I don't know why I'm bothering debating someone who doesn't even do the most basic of research.

>>93302703
>Is it the result of the constant robot uprisings, alien/demonic/soviet invasions, and other disasters bringing back the need for human labor?
Probably that. Figure most of MC1's population has been almost entirely killed off multiple times, and huge swaiths of infrastructure have been either damaged beyond use or totally razed.

Even current progs list that 'unemployment is rife' in the weekly Dredd infobox, so it might just be different writers/choosing to write about different things/out of ideas of kooky shit for bored cits to get up to.

>mfw corporate wageslaves actually claiming the moral highground in this thread

goddamn it's worse than i thought
go back to fucking japan you fucking money sluts

>>93302703
Well 80% of the city being destroyed in the Chaos riots probably had some effect. Mostly though I'd say that city welfare is enough to meet your basic needs but not enough to actually do anything. Most cits are content to sit in their habs and watch their shows and never think they could have more but those guys aren't interesting so we never see them except as victims. The cits we see are the ones desperately trying to claw back some sense of their own worth. Also unless you have a particular talent or are very lucky I don't get the impression that working is much better paid than sitting on your ass all day

You know who never show up in the strip anymore? Fatties.

>>93302909
Say what you like about chronic food shortages they do wonders for your figure

>>93302821
>Piracy is not stealing.
Someone has created a product that they put time, effort, and resources into. They have offered that product up in return for some sort of material compensation. By pirating it, you are taking it without compensation in an illegal manner. That's theft, plain and simple.

>Second, study after study has proven pirates have a far higher rate of investment in a given product than the average viewer, which directly translates into a measurable increase in merchandise profits from those individuals.

I'd love to see the studies that prove that people who don't give any money to a producer are somehow more profitable than those who do.

>Third, you can't seriously be implying that piracy actually affects employees on the ground level. If you are, then you probably haven't read into the subject very much, and I don't know why I'm bothering debating someone who doesn't even do the most basic of research.

Anyone who's actually worked as a ground level employee knows just how willing those at the top of a corporation is willing to screw over those below them. Which often times means paying their employees less.

But of course since you're such a studied individual you'd probably be able to prove me wrong by providing sources on the studies and other information you use to back to your claims.

>FB_IMG
Fuck off normalfag.

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>>93302852
>mfw I thought this was gonna be a thread about my favorite comic with a few storytimes and discussion about the upcoming series, other 2000AD comics, predictions, bad puns, etc, and it's all this shit
goddamn it's worse than i thought
go back to whatever fucking board you came from

>>93301728
>there will always be more than enough media in this world than i can ever possibly enjoy,
But all media is not created equal. If artists and writers create works that I enjoy, it follows that I would like to see that work continued. If the book sells poorly it gets cancelled. The character, subject or genre may be deemed unprofitable. The creators go their separate ways and may be less apart than they were together or might not get more work at all.

>>93302821
>study after study has proven pirates have a far higher rate of investment in a given product than the average viewer
Source?

>>93303094
I have a honest question do artist, letterers, writers, and colorist get paid for the work after the comic is done? Or only when the comic sells? Or is it the system set up like they only get paid per sold comic? Genuinely interested because I'm interested.

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Oh good, a Judge Dredd thread!

I'm reading Volume 6 of the Judge Dredd complete case files. Just read the "Destiny's Angels" story. Although I like finally seeing Fink and Mean Machine in the same story for the first time, it feels like a weak follow up to "The Judge Child Quest" with the way that Owen was just blown up at the end.

Is "City of the Dammed" the real sequel to the Judge Child?

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>>93302997
You act like that's ever stopped them before.

Reminder that thread derailment is shitposting and should be reported as such.

>>93296863
I see you also follow Comic book pages without context.

>>93303462
This is a piracy thread, not a Dredd thread. Didn't you see the op?

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>You will never see Hershey and Anderson riding off in to the sunset.

>>93303332
>>93303094
With that antagonistic tone, I'm not really inclined to help you. But just this once, I'll humor your ignorant ass. Here's one study to hold you over while I gather some more.

For some reason I can't link it, but search for "OCI Tracker Benchmark Study: 'Deep Dive' Analysis Report prepared for Ofcom"

First result should be the relevant pdf. Read the whole thing or don't bother speaking again.

>>93303518
The only thing I want to see Hershey riding is my face.

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>>93303512
Who

Theft is theft. Trying to manipulate the definition of who owns the property does not change facts. You are not a pirate, that has a posisitive spin on it, you are a theif. Simple as that. No room to debate it. Very cut and dry.

>>93303754
Literally wrong. Piracy and theft are different crimes under the US criminal code.

>b-but I'm not from the US! There's no such thing as DMCA in my country!

Then your views on the subject are irrelevant

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>>93303814
Over a decade since the Big Chan's inception and people still haven't learned.

>>93303743
that doesn't seem like the proper spot for a judge badge
tell me more though 'cause that's a nice tit

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>>93300281
Dredd has been known to smile.

>>93303616
That was actually interesting, and confirmed some of my suspicions.

Too bad everyone will ignore it because it goes against the narrative they require to feel moral.

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>>93304119

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>>93301875

>as soon as evidence is posted the thread evaporates

kek, never change 4chan

If I wanted to start reading Dredd, where would I start?

>>93304454
The beginning with the Case Files collections and go all the way through. The oldest stuff is more corny sci-fi but it's worth it and you might like it.

>>93304454
production order

when will people fucking learn

PRODUCTION ORDER

Always.

>>93304580
Every single issue?

>>93304627
You don't HAVE to, but we'll call you a weenie if you don't read at least most. And don't skip any of the epics.

>>93298730
please point to me how many games have failed because piracy alone please

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>>93304479
>>93304580
This is the wrong attitude

Yeah it's good to start at the beginning, but the start is rarely the highlight of a comic, and is often the worst, before it finds its stride.

Recommend a couple good stories to get people hooked before they dig into the series proper.

>>93304386
either the things, people and services that provide you happiness have value and are worthy of the contributions necessary to sustain their existence, or they don't actually have any value to you and don't make you happy.

It's really fucking simple anon. If someone asks you to build a nice house for them, and so you build the house, does the house have value? Do you deserve to be compensated for building the house?

>>93307084
you keep using words like "worthy" and "deserve" as if there is some cosmological force dictating such things

there isn't, there never was, and there never will be

you're right, it's really fucking simple

>>93307468
Do you deserve things that make you happy? Do you deserve anything? If I stood to take something or yours without compensation, say, reaching into your pocket and nabbing your phone, then why shouldn't I? Would you be unhappy if I took your phone? Would you fight me for it, or call the police on me if I took it?

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>>93296863
Claim your waifu before someone else does, /dredd/

>>93307468
also answer the question in >>93307084 should you or should you not be compensated for providing a valuable service to someone?

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>>93307634
Claiming Dredd as my waifu

>>93307577
I don't deserve to be happy, but I will pursue it because it is pleasurable. You are more than welcome to try and take my phone, but yes, I will call the police because that is a resource available to me that could likely result in the return of something I desire.

If they don't find you or my phone, then you win. That's the way the world has always worked, regardless of the presence of police or even a government. Personally I find pleasure in other people finding pleasure, so I choose to live my life in such a way that I do minimal damage to others (ie. I don't steal their phones) while still seeking my own goals. Again, this is nothing new, and I guarantee it's how you and every other person lives. The only difference is that I don't delude myself about the structure of society being the source of these beliefs and actions.
>>93307649
It depends on the result. If I want to get your help again in the future, then of course I will compensate you because that compensation will act as future insurance for my future pleasure. If I do a service for someone else, of course I expect them to pay me the same way, but if they don't, then like everyone else, I would either pursue legal action or just move on with my life.

Now in the case of digital media, whether I personally pay for a song or comic has zero bearing on whether I will be able to obtain such things in the future. Absolutely none. Even in the (extremely) unlikely event that piracy kills something that I enjoy, there will always be more media to be found. There is more media in this world of high quality than could ever be consumed by one person.

If you find a quarter on the ground, do you do your civil and moral duty and take it to the police in order to return it to its owner? Of course not. Because the benefit of doing so is so infinitesimally small and unlikely to yield useful results that you don't bother doing the displeasurable work. And a quarter is worth less than an infinite file.

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>>93307634
It isn't Hershey.

>>93306388
>Points out a game
>No that game failed because it sucks

Oh wow you sure got me I guess piracy isn't a problem.

>>93307850
At least you admit your failure. I admire that. In fact, I forgive you. We're good, man.

>>93307850
You haven't pointed at any game yet ya imbred retard

>>93299987
Or even Lawless, which I'm pretty sure takes place on another planet.

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>>93301267
How's that sovereign state thing working for you, creep?

>>93308453
And now that you mention Lawless we've also gotta include that other one I forgot about which is a precursor to Lawless, the one I can't remember the name of with the SJS Space Marines.

>>93308313
Dearest Dumbfuck,
Picking a game was irrelevant. The previous poster tried to set a very dumb, and very obvious, "logic" trap. I skipped ahead a few steps to save us all some time.
Lovingly,
Your brotherfather

>>93307827
>I don't deserve to be happy, but I will pursue it because it is pleasurable.

Then stop sabotaging the people who provide you that happiness.

> I will call the police because that is a resource available to me that could likely result in the return of something I desire.

So do the police deserve to get paid? Are you going to pay the taxes that pay for the police, since you find them so damn valuable? See where I'm going with this?

>It depends on the result. If I want to get your help again in the future, then of course I will compensate you because that compensation will act as future insurance for my future pleasure.

So you provided something to them that they value, makes them happy, and that they want to keep. Now, again, if there are people providing things that are valuable to you, and make you happy, and that you want to keep, then why shouldn't you compensate them as they would you? If digital media makes you happy but you don't pay for it, shouldn't the party who wants the house also get the house for free? If they can just take it from you, why the hell not?

>Now in the case of digital media, whether I personally pay for a song or comic has zero bearing on whether I will be able to obtain such things in the future. Absolutely none.

But it very reasonably can. Imagine there's have a product that 90% of people pay for, but 10% don't. Why shouldn't members of the paying group join the nonpaying group? If you can be so blessed to not have to pay for things, then why not them? If you don't have to pay for it, why shouldn't anybody? What makes you so special? Unless you believe you're more deserving than the paying group, how could you justify riding on the back of somebody else's labor? You said you don't deserve to be happy, then why do you deserve to be the bum leg in the machine that feeds the people who provide your happiness?

>>93308564
>>93307827
>If you find a quarter on the ground, do you do your civil and moral duty and take it to the police in order to return it to its owner?

If a gumball costs a quarter and I could replicate an infinite number of gumballs, and so could all my friends, and so could all their friends, and so and so forth, who is going to bother making gumballs anymore? But to answer your question, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be wholly justified in taking it either, because if I knew whose quarter it was then the best thing to do would be to give them their quarter back because it's not my fucking quarter. In your case, you know whose fucking quarter it is and should return it.

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>>93307837
As someone who does like Hershey, I really, really fucking like how that artist draws her, possibly the most out of any of 'em even if Judge Anon doesn't agree with me. Something about the eternally pissed off eyes and those goddamn lips.

>>93308564
>So do the police deserve to get paid? Are you going to pay the taxes that pay for the police?
I don't believe anyone "deserves" anything. The world is as it is, until it isn't, and even then, it will still be as it is. Of course I pay taxes, but only because not doing so would have bad results. If the police didn't exist, then they wouldn't exist. I do not decide whether they exist or not. But if they do exist, I will use their services to my advantage.
>Why shouldn't members of the paying group join the nonpaying group?
I never said they shouldn't. However, based on centuries of history, I know that they won't. I'm not Kant. I'm not giving you a universal categorical imperative. I can't tell others how to live their lives. I can only know what makes me happy, and thus I am driven to pursue that. If the entire world suddenly decides to agree with me and begin pirating everything, then the world would be a very different place, and I would likely seek different avenues of pleasure. But in all likelihood, this will not happen.
>why do you deserve to be the bum leg in the machine
I don't. But that's the position I find myself in, and I see no reason I shouldn't take advantage of that.

I can't change the world. Certainly not in such a short life span. I can only survive, and hopefully, thrive. I didn't agree to the rules of the world nor did I agree to be born, but here I am, and here I henceforth choose to be.

>>93308752
Well given your view of the world I don't think you deserve a say in how it works. So you don't get to determine whether there's "literally nothing wrong" with piracy.

Alright, enough of this. Dredd threads are usually super cozy but this discussion's getting inane. Maybe the next one'll be better.

>>93308818
You're not a Judge. You can't tell us what to do.

>>93308818
I'm not entirely convinced part of the discussion isn't one guy samefagging when it gets slow to incite more people to reply.

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>>93300913
>>93300928
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>>93300977
if only it were a woman, this would be my fetish.

>>93299383
Nigga, I bought like, three volumes of Usagi Yojimbo after /co/ storytimed a few issues.

It's like the old drug dealing adage "First one's free."

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>>93308857
A man of taste.

>>93308858
This is why I don't mind 4chan storytimes. Those are basically free samples. I DO object to stuff being hosted on other sites so you can just binge the whole thing free.

4chan storytimes have caused me to reduce a hefty portion of my bank account into transformers comics, so I can attest to it working. As long as I can find it and pay for it easily enough, I'll do it.

That being said, where can you get 2000AD comics online and pay for them? Comixology good enough or do people have better alternatives?

>>93308963
You can buy digital copies/subscription right from 2000AD online now.

>>93308858
Ah, the 'ol "I actually bought something I pirated once" excuse. Love it. Use it myself.

>>93308963
Dredd/2000AD is just about the worst comic to try and buy legally if you live in the United States

>>93309001
In the case of storytimes on 4chan, the timeline works like this:

>Aw, that comic looks cool
>When are they going to upload the rest of it?
>They aren't? Or they're going to take forever to do it?
>Fuck that, I'm impatient and I have a job that gives me money, I'm just gonna skip the middleman and get the shit myself
>many moneys later
>Where did my last 3 paychecks go????

>>93308818
to be fair the thread was fucked from the get go, might as well use it to dump hard nuggets on tendiemongers

>>93309125
>the thread was fucked from the get go
It wasn't. It only turned out that way because of one sperglord.

>>93309146
>>>/reddit/

>>93309159
>>>/reddit/

Sperglord is from >>>/somethingawful/ newfriend

>>93309004
As with most things these days there's an app for that

>>93300513
there's a crumb thread up right now for the likes of you, you know

>>93309744
A what? I only come to /co/ to find 2000AD threads.

Does he take the mask off to sleep?

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>>93303518
2000AD being 2000AD they'll have a romance spread out across 200 progs with Anderson bouncing off Hershey's repression over and over but with stories from Hershey's POV revealing she's head over heels.

Then pic related happens with missiles inbound and point defense failing.

Between 50 and 250 prongs after that there's this massive plot line with two criminal masterminds pulling all sorts of shit including killing Judges, and it turns out later most were bent and the rest might have been.

There are several props with the masterminds operating under cover as a couple. They do a very good job of maintaining cover.

Eventually several Judges have made them, including a couple of Dredds, Harvey (?) the robot Judge and Anderson's ex. They've done a lot of good and helped save the city on a couple of occasions.

The investigation comes to a head but ends with Dredd instructing everyone to stand down, nothing to see. Thank you both, from myself and the Department, and leave now because I can only look away once.

They do leave in a privately owned ship. The last we see of them for now is touching down on a rough field in the ass end of nowhere, under Marshal Lawson's jurisdiction.

>>93304627
You won't go wrong reading everything. There are some bits of dubious quality but even then there's generally good stuff among it.

>TFW you're about 3 weeks behind in progs and 2 months behind in the meg

>>93311923
>operating under cover as a couple
a return of Oola and Homer Blint?

>>93311923
Would read

>>93304627
I'm around 200 issues in to a prog slog right now and I'm finding a lot to enjoy even in the early more kid friendly stories.
And it's easy enough to skim through the few stories that don't hit the mark

>>93302328
Nudist judges were a thing in one story. They kept the helmet. And the badge.

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>>93308625
Yup, Colin Wilson is really good. And she also gets a ton of awesome expressions in his panels too.

>>93308963
Book Depository also has an excellent stock of Dredd trades, thanks to them being UK based. And free shipping!

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Have one of my recent favourites

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>>93312905
>best dark Judge-fu

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>>93312927

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>>93312943
Thanks, dude. Always a pleasure reading this.

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>>93313212
all good JA, have another

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>>93315095

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>>93315095
oops

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>>93315227
Sydney really is an asshole.
Do you have the Fear one?

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>>93315400
Sure thing.

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>>93303462
>of the Dammed" the real sequel to the Judge Child?
Pretty much.

There's another set years later - name forgotten sorry - on the day The Mutant is supposed to turn up (but he can't because Dredd and Anderson shot him, dropped him in lava and then nuked him for good measure). Dredd actually goes off the rails temporarily a bit due to some residual psychic 'stuff' but Anderson pulls him through it.

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>>93315680

>>93315664
Yup, "In The Year 2120."

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>>93303743
Well, it's Ian 'page 3' Gibson with the art so of course it's a nice (highly stylised) everything.

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>>93315705

>>93296905
as a shelf fag, I feel I should tell you that being a smug prick only makes the rest of us look bad.
Do you really want to never have anyone to discuss good comics with because they never read them?

>>93315729
Thanks Judge

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>>93315715
World can always use more Gibson art.

>>93315883
Why haven't you killed yourself yet, cunt?

>>93311968
Except with a lot more asskicking and strapons.

But yeah, they're both senior Judges, one has held absolute top clearance, the other is a powerful and extremely experienced Psi, and they would be intimately familiar with how people like Maybe, Orlok and the Blints operate. Oh, and whatever changes in doctrine were put in place after they were taken out.

>lol @ doctrine, all they have is "eventually perp will randomly encounter Joe Dredd"

Anyways, Rogue Presumed KIA Hershey and Anderson, Tribadist Investigators will get shit done.

Also I can't believe how many times I let my machine misspell prog.

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>>93316393
>Tribadist Investigators
I'll be eagerly awaiting the team-up.

>>93315997
why the hate

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>>93312838
>tfw Dark Judges movie never ever

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>tfw new SJS-centric Dredd strip in the progs
>tfw Williams and Weston talking about doing an SJS story in the Megazine
>tfwas your own SJS story is getting published in Zarjaz
Serendipity's awesome.

>>93316582
how getting your stuff published going anyway dude
>>93316567
maybe with MC-1

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>>93316769
It's going. Got a couple of local publishers interested lately, gonna try and send another Future Shock sometime soon, and in the meantime I got stories coming in the next Zarjaz and Dogbreath. Still haven't cracked the "actually getting paid" part but I'm getting there. Thanks!

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>>93316857
GG dood

>>93316582
First issue of the 2000AD SJS thing made it seem really boring. Maybe Pin will be weirder than he looks.

>>93296949
Look at it like this, there's a reason movies, music and games have become more generic and targeted to the lowest common denominator over the last few years. Piracy still affects those industries and alters them, even if they continue to find ways to survive.

>>93316857
Nice. The art has some tommy lee edwards/jean-paul leon vibe to it. How does one get his paws on Zarjaz?

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>>93317089
I liked the last page and loved the art, but yeah, the key is gonna be what Pin's motivations look like.

>>93317138
Cons, mostly. You can also order them straight from Future Quake, the publishers, through their website. And yeah, the art's pretty nice. Done by a guy called Adrian Bamforth, who actually did get a couple of stories published in the progs in the mid 2000s.

>>93316533
Dude, don't give him the (yous) he's clearly either desperate for attention or off his meds. Either way no good can come from engaging

>>93317241
Do 2000ad editors keep any eye on the zine for new talent or are they completly igonoring it?

>>93316582
Pin, are we the baddies?

>>93311923
I hate and like this.

My head hates it but my dick likes it.

>>93317962
SJS ABSOLUTELY know that they ARE the baddies.

However the intro to this was a pretty dull "Judge goes too far" set-up (following the new Cadet would have been more interesting) and Williams' Suicide Squad has been shit frankly, so I don't have high hopes. Hopefully the second or third prog are gonna take us somewhere completely offbeat and it's not gonna be the story everyone can see coming here.

>>93318864
>...and for the right shoulder pad design I was thinking we'd match the skull appliqué on the CBR mask with the 20th Century Third Reich Shutzstaffel logo. So a large SJS based on the SS logotype.

>Excellent work Judge Boss, I think we can go with this as a provisional design. Have them run up then execute some focus groups and see if the intimidation factor works in practice. Oh, could we use silver plated baby skulls on the helmet?

>>93319411
I live for the alternative universe SJS Judge Boss / Wally Squad Judge Amies that will never be.
>when uniform regulations turn deadly!
And yes I know there was already a Dredd story that was literally that.

>>93318766
These are the hoops I had to jump through to suspend disbelief on Hershey and Anderson fucking. I mean, it's intrinsically hot in a mature athletic leatherdykes sort of way, repressed woman in authority seduced by experienced subordinate and all that.

But making it believable takes jumping through a lot of hoops.

>>93319506
Where's Devlin Waugh when you need him? This should be a roaring rampage of haute couture and homosexual stereotypes. Also, violence.

>>93319507
>mature athletic leatherdykes sort of way
wew

>>93296905
shut the fuck up loser.

>>93302016
Privilege.

>>93303094
please shut the fuck up you self-righteous prick.

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>>93308963
>>93309001
>>93309053
http://comicsalliance.com/neil-gaiman-piracy-lending-books/

>>93319741
Correct! Having a job can be your privilege too, but you have to apply yourself!

(Also apply yourself for the jobs too)

>>93316938
Really liking this Mortis design. It still makes no fucking sense whatsoever (inb4cartoon) but it looks a lot better.

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>mfw shitposter is furiously samefagging in vain, trying to derail the thread

>>93319877
Even a library book wears out after 20 or 30 lends.

>>93301267
>I agree to obey the law
>tfw I can read comics for free anyway since its legal here

>>93300090
Jesus, they don't fuck around do they. Rookie slaps a thug during a training exercise and gets fucked for it.

>>93309999
I love this

>>93320299
I can think of a later strip that almost actively contradicts that.

>>93320132
I'm not sure which of the recent posts you think are samefagging, but there are a lot of new IPs among them.

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>>93315680

>>93321448
Beautiful.

>>93308532
Why even try to hide the fact that you're the same person lol