Accept it /co/.

>>93284860
No.

>>93284860

When you accept death, Jean.

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You know DC used to beat Marvel when it came to number of gay characters in prominent roles in running comics, but then that changed in the last one or two years.
But funny enough, despite that shift, DC is still light years better at handing their homos.

>>93284860
Fuck off, Jean.

No

and I won't apologize.

Who haven't they made gay by now

>>93284860

How much sales increase did /lbgt/ provide? Has comics been finally saved?

>tfw no Bobby on Bobby action yet
What good has come out of it?

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Never

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>>93285044
>DC is still light years better at handing their homos
This. Why is he so perfect?

>>93286656
Jean "Straight Conversion Therapy" Grey

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>>93284860
Why couldn't they have made someone cute gay? I don't give two shits about Bobby.

>>93284860
No. But tell you what. Kill Jean Grey in a painful manner and I will tolerate this.

>>93284860
NO

We need to kill Jean again

>>93286779
What you would you prefer, they give him Billy's fag hair?

>>93286744
Because DC's smart enough to make sure their writers at least try to make them interesting instead of turning their homosexuality into their defining characteristic, because the kind of person who lets their sexuality define them tends to be a vapid asshole.

>>93286889
No, I'd just prefer if it was someone else confirmed gay.

Like Gambit or Nightcrawler or the mutant with eyeballs all over his body

>>93284860
I'd accept it if it was done organically.

>>93286889
Kid Apocalypse

>>93284860
>Accept it /co/.

Accept what, that he has a Inhuman boyfriend named Romeo? I can't accept that kind of lowered standard for creativity. It's like a Family Guy cutaway where someone and explains and laughs at their own joke. Like couldn't they have come up with a different name instead?

>>93284860

Okay, I accept he's gay.

But you can't make me give a shit about it.

how much time until old booby make out with young bobby?

>>93287046
>the mutant with eyeballs all over his body

Anole already fulfills the freak quota.
Besides Marvel is going about this like a business, albeit a retarded business, and trying to use a "marketable" character.
Not saying Bobby is, but in comparison to Anole, he would be the better option, as much as it pains the /co/mrades, myself included, like him.

>>93284860
Is it still considered gay if you make out with a recolor of yourself?

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>>93287259
>implying most fags don't date similar versions of themselves

To be fair to Bobby, at least the guys has different skin/hair/eye color.
Most gays don't even bother going that diverse.

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>>93287216
>Anole

I was actually referring to this qt.

>>93287727
I meant we didn't need more freaks as faggots.

inb4 oxymoron

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Am I crazy or was Colossus gay at some point?

>>93287771
I also heard this (same thing with Zangief from street fighter) what's up with that?

>>93287771
>>93287813
Colossus was gay in Ultimate universe.

>>93287771
Ultimate Universe was gay.
I don't think he was one of the few mutants that survived the universe destruction.
And good riddance, he turned into a mess of character after Ultimatum, or even before then desu.

>>93287771
Yes. He got kicked out by his dad for sleeping with some other kid. At least that's what I remember. I also remember the X-men playing baseball sometime during the comicbook

>>93287904
*Ultimate Colossus

>>93287046
>Like Gambit or Nightcrawler or the mutant with eyeballs all over his body
Gambit and Rouge are too famous as a couple and Nightcrawler being a gay catholic seems like some fedora tipping wish fulfillment

>>93286037
>How much sales increase did /lbgt/ provide?
lol

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>>93287767
Aw, but the freaks are so much more endearing than the regular chads with super powers. Just imagine how many fujos would go nuts over a quirky new character being revealed as gay.

>>93287813
I think 'Gief is just part of that thing with Japan where they correlate hyper masculinity with homo.
Cho aniki and gachimuchi, and wherever they stem from, probably has something to do with it.

>>93287978
Fujos want whites Chads (with the occasional brown or Asian Chad, but never Tyrone), you know this is the case.
Stop lying to yourself and others.
Looks>Personality for them.

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>>93287951
>and Nightcrawler being a gay catholic seems like some fedora tipping wish fulfillment

They could always retcon that out the way it was retconned in. Catholic Nightcrawler is a sore spot for a lot of people from what I've seen.

>>93288031
Nah, fujos like strange characters with physical quirks, it's why shit like Villainous is currently so popular among westaboo fujos.

>>93287978
That's a great cover

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>>93288064
>westaboo fujos

There's your problem.
Fujos from Moon Land are not like our hambeasts.
Now please find me a western example or GTFO.

>>93287861
>>93287904
>>93287926
Does Colossus maintain his gentle giant disposition in the Ultimate Universe or is he an edgy piece of shit?

>>93288174
Well, Villainous is also popular among western fujos. And Undertale and Homestuck.

>>93288181
Read my post again, he went off the rails after Ultimatum.
His universe was Zeno'd and only a few mutants from it escaped it. I don't think he is one of them.

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>>93284860
((Virtue signal))

>>93288228
>he went off the rails after Ultimatum.

Explain

we can all tolerate homos
but nobody has to accept them

>>93287589
Really? I always thought bears would go for twinks and vice versa

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>>93288181
>>93288360
Very late in UXM it gets retconned so that he has been using a superpower drug called Banshee since he was a teenager and then Ultimatum happens. Then he gets imprisoned, they take over the camp, and a vote to kill the humans that captured the mutants happens. He got the final vote.

>>93288450
I unironically stand by this philosophy for everything on the premise it's how I've been received so far.
Equal opportunity.

>>93286727
Brutal...

>>93286727
You are God. Please mate me with me and make me pregnant with your babies.

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When is someone going to showcase the bad side of homosexuality?
There is plenty of content to go on such as: the constant racism, open relationships, bug chasing, mental health and self-hate, disappointment from their parents, friends and family laughing at them behind their backs, club culture and orgies.
As someone that has lived close to real gay people and know their issues im tired of this "so brave" personas people try to painting them as.

>>93286727
If Teen Jean eventually disappears or "dies", as that goes with her, and everyone starts acting different from now I don't think I'll ever stop laughing at the mere thought of the implication.
Even if it's just a change of writers and direction, it would cement that her mere presence is a subliminal cancer.

>>93288697
We barely do that with black people, what makes you think will do that with other groups?
You know why, it's because of (((them)))

>>93286727
benis :DDDDDDD

>>93288450
Well, if you tolerate an inch, they tend to take it as a mile of acceptance.

>>93286727
Make Jean a fujo and give her an actual personality besides being a bitch 24/7

Evan Sabahnur x Sam Alexander WHEN? Gay shotas WHEN?

>>93286744
you know, this guy is so fucking badass that the fact of being gay is totally irrelevant. But the character has always been this way, with Bobby it really looks like Marvel girl has raped him mentally.
This makes me terribly uncomfortable because it does not look like a natural thing.

>>93288780
>all this happened because Jean wants her ships to be canon
brilliant

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>>93287589
The gay hipsters got me.

>>93288892
By some literal who inhuman?
I would have made Scott gay and then made them pork. This Jean doesn't really seem that interested in Tyke.

>>93288697
Just make an abusive relationship but with Men.

>>93288697
Yeah, I'm pretty sick and tired of the media sensationalizing and even glorifying homosexuality. Being gay is definitely not a fun experience, and if you try to make it "fun" you'll just end up turning yourself into a total fucking degenerate.

>>93288697
The thought process goes that they have been oppressed for so long it is uncouth to talk about those things. Besides, they can just say "straights do it too to some extent" and continue their dildo orgies while saving face.

Will the young X-men ever return in their time?
I like young Mccoy and Pure Scott, but it's really time to bring them back home.

>>93289000
>but it's really time to bring them back home.
>asking this beaten and dead horse

Have you not been fucking read or what?
I don't blame you.

>>93286727
kek

>>93289035
It's been a few years since I no longer read X-Men, yeah because of Bendis and his characters assassination. I know Young Scott is still around, I have no idea about Jean, but this thing >>93286656 was really over the top.

>>93287951
Wasn't there a homoerotic cover of Wolverine sitting while a naked Nightcrawler looms in the foreground?

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>>93284860
Is this still a thing?

I thought Chuck Austen set this up a decade ago.

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>>93289263
Yes.

You're welcome.

>>93288697
>When is someone going to showcase the bad side of homosexuality?

Isn't it a common complaint that the majority of movies about gay couples are usually full of suffering, unhappiness, and one half of the couple dying?

>>93287098
He ISN'T gay?

>>93289303
Marvel is not trying to make a social complaint. He is trying to broaden the number of readers.

>>93289295
>They say you're the best there is at what you do, Logan
>And what I'll do is between you and me, Bub, if you catch my meaning. ZIPKT!

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>>93286727
>mfw I keep looking at this image
>mfw every single time I noticed something new

Truly the work of a master.

>>93289365
It's a legitimately good cover. The shading and lighting is well done, and makes the whole thing look like an arthouse porno.

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>>93289295
W-when was this done? Is the issue itself full of gay sex?

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>>93289295
>this is the highest resolution on the internet.
How is this even possible?

>>93289584
Source?

>>93289625
This cover is 15 years old - back then digital issues probably weren't widespread

>>93286727
Do you remember? In Ultimate Spiderman, Jean had replaced Spiderman's brain with Wolverine only for the Luz. Always by Bendis. The pic is not a fucking joke.

>>93287978
How the fuck does this guy masterbate? Does he feel pain when he walks and shit? I have so many questions..

Did young Jean turned him gay with her powers?
Imagine the shitshow if she turned someone homo or bi into a straight person.

>>93287978
Wtf I want to read Generation X now

>>93289584
It's a cover for Wolverine #6 by Greg Rucka.

Marvel should publish a special with Jean turning all the male Avengers into gays, and then they all having a huge homo orgy.

I would buy it, desu.

>>93289642
>Rucka's run was 15 years ago
I'll be in the corner if you need me

>>93289634
LOL, I didn't know Logan and Nightcrawler were popular in Yaoi. I know there is a shit ton of Beast and Wolverine Yaoi.

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>>93289625
I have a bigger one, but it covered by slav runes.

>>93289719

Nightcrawler is built for yaoibait anon.

>>93289584
You wish, you fujoshit

>>93289760
He really is.

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>>93289719
There's a shit ton of Wolverine yaoi in general. Weren't Gambit/Wolverine and Scott/Wolverine a big thing back in the day too?

Nips seem to prefer shipping Nightcrawler with Quicksilver or Angel thanks to the movies.

>>93289793

>Nips seem to prefer shipping Nightcrawler with Quicksilver or Angel thanks to the movies

Bryan Singer has good taste in twinks if nothing else.

>>93289707
This would guarantee so much profits from the fujoshit market that they wouldn't have to try to make a single decent comic for the rest of the company's life

>>93289793
>>93289295

>>93289719
What have I done! I've derailed this thread. I'm sorry.

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>>93289634
http://bpybpw22.tumblr.com/

>>93289781
What's it about then?

>>93289827
Don't blame yourself, I derailed the thread by asking about the cover.

Though it's for the better, literally any other character being gay would be more interesting than Bobby being gay. The way they went about it was so forced and inorganic, it's sickening.

>>93289295
>>93289625
>>93289753
Was there a big shitstorm over this cover or did it come out pre-internet?

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>>93289660
Holy shit I never knew that. You know what? Marvel's next Event should be the one where TeenJean decides to just come out as a full on super-villain. NOT Dark Phoenix Pt. 761,234,100 but an old school, Doctor Evil, hidden lair on Mars, "muwahaha I'm going to mind-rape ERRYWAN and take over the world!" super-baddie. They fucking need one after all their heros-fighting-heros-oh-I-know-let's-make-Cap-a-NAZI bullshit. Give Carol, SHIELD, Cap and all the rest something to do besides fighting each other.

>>93284860
Hasn't he already dumped him by falling off the grid? Romeo is such an asshole fag.

>>93290630
Don't know to be honest.
In the new Iceman run, they are still dating.
If that is before or after, I'm not sure.

>>93284860
Nope.

They will loose revenue since faggots and dikes and trans dont buy many comics while losing the mainstream buyers.

>>93289793
Honestly, this is what the tumblr crowd want, for their gay ships to be canon. Not for some smalltime character to suddenly become gay and hook up with a literal who.

Marvel should just have Erik and Xavier admit they're in love with each other, followed by Sniktbub hatefucking Cyke, and then throw in a Quicksilver romancing Nightcrawler tidbit in the next movie. Then Marvel would get the attention and praise they're seeking.

>>93285044

Because DC has gay characters. They handle them carefully and the only BAD gay they had was Alan Scott in that alternate Earth where he became the Avatar of the Earth or whatever.

The rest of the time it was a notch on their belt, not the entire pants.

Marvel has always been shit at jumping on boats.

>>93290745
I would actually kill for a Quicksilver/Nightcrawler battle team up in Dark Phoenix. Not for gay shit, I just think their powers lend to each other well.

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>>93286727

>>93290745
Imagine 1 issue where only that happens, the income from fujoshis alone would be enough to cancel their entire cinematic universe

>go on the bucky tag on DA/Tumblr/Pixiv
>it is all MCU fujoshit bullshit

Why? Comic Bucky is based and has always been pinning for Natasha/Black Widow, while we have never seen any hints of Bucky being into Steve being dropped on any of the movies.

>>93290878
All it took was looking at Steve to be able to throw a wrench into 70 years of brainwashing. There's tons of Steve/Bucky shipper fuel in Winter Soldier.

Then the MCU shot themselves in the foot by having Steve make out with Sharon at his previous lover's funeral. I don't think anyone, shipper or not, approved of that.

>>93290878
Do you think shippers need a reason to ship? It's like a disease, it just appears and catches people then it slowly subsides

>>93289753
>It is definitely a male silhouette
>The upper text above the title still pretends that Wolverine is going to meet a female waitress with a tail.

Russians!

>>93290842
Hell, they could throw in some exploitative lesbian action while they're at it to get money from everyone.

>>93290932
Oh come on, it's not like Steve and Bucky are two strangers who only made eye contact once, have you not seen the films?

>>93288860

No, anon, they'll use it as an excuse to make the real Apocalypse gay as well.

>>93290957
Admittedly no, but I have seen shippers

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>>93289625
What did they mean by this cover? Does anything homoerotic actually happen in the comic itself? What is the purpose of this?

Why?

>>93290952
Boom, nobody in Marvel has to work a day in their lives anymore

>>93290982
>he hasn't seen The Winter Soldier

Remedy that right now. You can pass on the other two.

>>93290985
Nah, it was just for laughs.

>>93287771

After the X-Men Gold Colossus Islamic Fundamentalism controversy, it's more likely he'd throw mutant gays off rooftops.

>>93290952
I can't even think of a lesbian X-Men ship that makes sense. I know I've seen Laura/Jubes, but is that it?

Come to think of it, DC is also superior at les ships too.

>>93291004
>it's more likely he'd throw mutant gays off rooftops.

B-but Colossus is supposed to have a sweet disposition.

>>93288181
Every single character in the Ultimateverse is turned into a jerkass. Colossus is not immune.

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>>93284860

Never ever, anon. 50 years of history say it isn't true. They can't be allowed to get away with this.

>>93290937
Russian homophobia is the most hilarious one.

>>93291003
I wonder if /co/ would RREEEEEEEEEEEEEE over that cover if it came out today rather than 15 years ago.

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>>93291028
>Colossus is not immune.

Those bastards have gone too far.

>>93291028
>an entire universe where every character you previously liked is now an unlikable sociopathic cunt

I've never read the Ultimates and I don't know why anyone would willingly subject themselves to it, it sounds miserable.

>>93287978
Phobia I didn't know I had

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>>93290599
Powers, responsibility? You can not play with other's minds like this, you stupid bitch. I'm not surprised that the X-men of the Ultimate universe have ended up very badly. (Quality sucks, I know, sorry.)

>>93291044
We wouldn't. It's not like it's agenda-pushing; it's really subtle and actually pretty funny.

>>93292417
is this from when wolverine tried to fuck mj with peter's body

I hope Daken bullies him sexually

>>93285044
Marvel used to be better at it. Everybody knew Northstar was gay even during the "no gays allowed" era when Jim Shooter was EiC, yet he still had a character beyond liking dudes.

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>>93284860
And Marvel comics sales drop even more..
>All acording to plan..

>>93292657
I think the problem is that Marvel is just very poor at characterization right now in general and that ends up worse for characters who need grownup stories.

Midnighter has already been brought up, but you'd never see something like that over there where a gay guy fucks someone new for like 3 issues in a row without being written in an extremely cringey romcom joke way. They do not take their characters seriously.

>>93286744
Sometimes I think Authority was too good for DC.

>>93286606
>No Bobby on Bobby action
>There's Hank on Hank action
Clearly they made the wrong dude gay

Why can't we just have an Anole ongoing?

>>93287046
>Gambit
>swauve sexy womanizer
>legitimately enjoys romancing the ladies
> is probably the last ladies man left alive at marvel
Please don't give that douchebag bendis any ideas.
>Nightcrawler
>hardcore Catholic
>priest
nothankyou

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>>93284860
Icefaggot was always a fag.

>>93286744
Because he doesn't have a shirt that says "I"m gay" that he wears and doesn't make being gay the first thing about him that people know.

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>>93284860
Only if it is hot interracial lesbianism.

>>93290957

Homos don't need a reason to homo, they'll take any attempt to ruin straight media.

>>93292591
Yeah, and that was pretty uncomfortable. I was like seriously guys? We're making a Wolverine a hebephilic rapist now? Fuck the Ultimate Universe and it's pointless edge

>>93293745

Considering that they were about 15 or 16, it was Silver Age Marvel, and it lasted less than a year of comics before Lorna dumped Bobby for Alex, is it really that odd that they weren't having sex. Outside of retcons, no teenage heroes were having sex in Silver Age Marvel.

>>93293045
LOL. What's wrong with homosexuality?

Beast is too socially progressive to care about hang ups on sexuality. That being said, Beast is one big furry gay icon, it's quite hilarious.

>>93295394
The homophobia is strong with this one.

Didn't they reveal that gay Bobby was actually from a different universe?

>>93296647
Stop this "homophobia" meme. I'm gay and the guy you replied to is literally correct.

>>93296749
No, he just happens to be gay too.

Young Bobby (from 616-past) is gay
so Bobby 616 is gay
so all versions of Bobby are gay now I guess

>>93296647

>Everytime it isn't implicitly stated
>gay shippers and women arrive to ruin male friendships with their desire to see men fuck
>hurr homophobia

'no'

you people are so bad it isn't even funny. Winchesters are perfect example and they're in story, blood brothers.

>>93296647
>>93296772
Biguy, can confirm. Gays are the worst

>>93296778
Even though he has been in relationships with women and has confirmed had sex with women?

>>93288697
Try Wuvable Oaf or Shirtlifter by Steve MacIsaac.

>>93296824
I fail to see how that makes you exclusively straight. Or any less closeted, even.

>>93296779
>implying straight people are any better

Funny coming from the dipshits that constantly spammed Elsa and Anna when Frozen was a thing. I can cherry pick too, dumbass.

>>93296894
There was zero indication - I mean zero, hell maybe even negative - that Bobby was anything other than a dude who liked to bang chicks. If you have any comics pre-Bendis that imply that post them.

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>>93286656
>Jean "two scoops of gay ice cream" Grey

>>93296779
>>93296915
Oh and try to use /co/ examples next time. I know you /tv/mblr and m/a/l fuckers hate your boards, but nobody cares about your shit series that should have been shit canned along time ago.

>>93296129
About that...

How old are the X-men?
I would like to know, more or less, how old they were in Claremont old arc, and today times.
I know there is nothing accurate. I suppose, modern Scott had to be thirty years old. Emma 27 (the only secure one, thanks to Morrison).
What do you think?

>>93290754
Gay Alan was fucking badass though. Even though it's a complete bastardization of the original character and Nu52 Earth 2 quickly degenerated into utter garbage, his character was a high point.

>>93297030
>Emma 27 (the only secure one, thanks to Morrison).

>Actually taking this at face-value and believing it.

Come on, anon.

>>93296951

I'll use whatever examples I want. My point still stands.

>>93284860
I'm 100% okay with gay Ice Man.
I could deal with his boyfriend being an Inhuman despite the forced synergy because there is a story there.
I will never accept his boyfriend having the name "Romeo", it's just bad, irredeemable writing.

>>93297076
You are probably right, but the question remain.

>male and female characters glance at each other once
>“they should totally get together”
>two male characters share an intimate bond and deeply care for each other
>“shipping them together is wrong. why can’t men just be friends?”
Please explain this mindset to me. Do you believe men and women can't be friends? And what do you think a gay relationship is like? Do you believe gay men can't act "friendly" with each other? Why do you have no issue with people shipping boys and girls together, yet when people ship boys, it's suddenly wrong? Is that -- where you think it's okay when it's het, but not okay when it's homo -- the very definition of homophobia?

>>93297030

For a long time, "Marvel Time" worked as "whenever 'now' is, Fantastic Four #1 took place 10 years ago". They'd extended it to about 11 years by the start of this decade, it can't have changed too much since then.

So all of Marvel's Silver Age teens, from the original X-Men, to Spider-Man, Johnny Storm, Crystal, and the Maximoff twins, should all be in their late 20s now. Peter and Johnny actually get treated like that, but a lot of the others get written like they're over 30.

>>93297187
I have never heard of any story that involved to opposite gender characters simply glancing at each other becoming a ship being the main problem with the logic of your post.

Sure gay men can act friendly which each other, but the same can be said for straight men just wanting to be friends and nothing more, these days if almost ANY same gender characters interact with each other in ANY close way what so ever, people assume it's an ambiguously gay thing and that they should be shipped together.

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>>93297143
>Romeo

>>93297187

That's only the "definition" because language has been mangled. A phobia is a fear, a deep, overwhelming, uncontrollable fear, causing panic and terror in the person suffering it.

Dislike, disgust, or just not having any want or desire to see something, is not the same thing as a phobia.

>>93297187

Because while both has a bit of wish fullfillment in them, I think it is more that because gay relationships aren't being written that they tend to latch onto every 'possible' chance to insert their 'stuckie's of the world.

While it is changing some in comics, the movie crossovers by nature of needing countries like China will always limit what you're going to see on the screen so I think there is some desperation in there that undermines your point a bit.

And male urge to fuck everything is also attached to who and what gets shipped, that extends to gay men as well so it is a complication of interests and because being hetero-normative is the majority, it tends to use that weight against minority interest, so you do have a point but on other hand, every possible time, you see a chance to include that, especially when nothing romantic has happened, it always happens, it becomes a little obscene to see, so to speak so people bring it up.

I will put my bias out there and say personally, I do not believe men and women can be true friends unless both are already in a relationship. Human nature doesn't allow for vacuum's and as men, unless the woman is really ugly, fucking her will run through your mind. Then it's merely a short step beyond that and while others might delude themselves into thinking otherwise based on their experiences..if you look into history of your own relationships, somewhere along the way, you getting friendzoned by a broad happened and you accepted you weren't going to fuck her even though it's still there in back of your head.

So no, I personally don't think so. But I should point out in a lot of ways media spends an inordinate amount of time undermining and sexualizing male friendship to point guys would rather just ignore other dudes because they don't want to be seen as gay.

You see it all time in media and that does influence real life to a certain extent. It reinforces narratives. Narratives that probably hurt gay -con

>>93297252
>people assume it's an ambiguously gay thing and that they should be shipped together.

Right. The difference is writers don't give into that shit. Well for gay shipping, they'll still do two characters of the opposite gender. Which as we all agree is bad.

However, in recent memory one gay ship did become canon become of rabid shippers, the vast majority of the shippers of that ship are fat neckbeards from /u/, but that has due with the hack writers trying to shelter themselves from criticism.

>>93297342
Most writers don't give into it if it is a Straight Couple either, often times they just simply either ignore such wishes for shipping or were planning to go there the whole time and do it anyways.

>>93297338

hurt the gay community too. Trying to blur lines doesn't help you, it harms you because people will react defensively, call it societal trickle down.

So in fiction I think it would help to have more gay characters, but the obscene people that fetishize male friendships wouldn't go away just because of more inclusion or ensemble writing in stories.

I think I've seen that argument around and it doesn't work because whatever qualities drew that person to that character in the first place, that's nature of imagination, you want to change that character to fit your idea even if that character is someone else's which is why you see creators trying to go "It's whatever you want it to be" because they want to sell that character, doesn't necessarily mean it is that thing and it feeds into this, you can make shit whatever you want because creators are craven and greedy with their creations, not necessarily winning on technical merits and draws any argument away from the basics.

I'm not sure where I was going with all this suffice to say that people will always mold, fanfiction others creations to their whims, but to say they do not do that, is disingenuous. It's dishonest. I think you're defensive because it shines a light on behavior like people like yourself, do and act as if other side doesn't do the same thing, but because they're majority, it's okay.

The difference I think in that is because of our evolution, men and women go together, so we see it as right, and while homosexuality does occur in nature, it's more of a genetic deadend. Or an evolutionary one, so this is playing out in a somatic, emotional way, where you use reason to support our emotional bias. I can see why you would have a problem with it but you're always going to be a minority and will always feel it's unfair.

That is nature of it though.

Nature of friendship has changed so much including relationships that people wouldn't realize just how much it has changed in -con

>>93297187
Whether you like it or not, only a small portion of the population is gay. It's not typical for two guys to meet each other and eventually fall in love; most of the time they'll just be friends. It's okay when it's occasional, but it doesn't need to be in fucking everything.

>>93297503

-Nature of friendship has changed so much in a little over 200 years, you go from consent degrees and arranged marriages where people only met once before marriage and friendship was based entirely on class and your vocation, strict hierarchies and lines. Marriage was in effect an exchange of goods between two families and as post-industrial period goes on and more people enter workforce for first time, it breaks down, those lines. You end up in companion-ate relationships and friendships. Where you see marriages based on love and not arrangement happening for the first time but legally women are still considered legal children, which is where phrase 'women and children' largely comes from legally.

So in all of this change, we've spent a lot of time breaking down old hierarchies that were so convoluted that it gave way to periods of social upheaval and rebalancing of western society across the board. You could look from 1860s to 1970s and see massive shift in every aspect of life from electricity to women being able to initiative a divorce or even having a credit card, which women up until about 1980s still needed a male co-signer.

People often don't realize just how much change has occurred in a very brief amount of time, so a lot of societal inequity is just hangup from all the changes and I think gay relationships are somewhere in that hangup, and to a further extent fictionalized portrayals.

>>93297301
That's who he's still with, right?

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>gay shipping
>to meta discussion about shipping

Pure cancer, all of this. Only time Bobby is gay threads are good are for the fresh OC >>93286727

>>93297570
A small population of the world has redhair, but they still show up fucking everywhere

I can never take gay iceman seriously

>>93287589
Is that /fit/ in bottom left ? They look cute

>>93297897
Most of them are dyed.

>>93298061
In comics?
Fuck off, that is not true.

>>93284860
Ok

>>93296922
People have stories about their fathers coming out to them on their literal deathbed, after spending their lives married to their wives supposedly happy. So that doesn't really matter

>>93299280
>People have stories about their fathers coming out to them on their literal deathbed, after spending their lives married to their wives supposedly happy.

That really doesn't sound plausible at all, and even if it did I suspect those men weren't really sexualy active at all. If you're able to have natural erections and achieve penetration with a woman (considering they've fathered children), you're not gay, you're bi at least.

I don't like going full /pol/ on this one but it sounds like we're entering alternate reality leftist wonderland, where everything and everyone is gay, no matter what they say or do.

>>93299662
Devils Advocate Here; from what I know of gay men who had sex with women, they often times had to think about a man in order to enjoy the thought of sex, not to mention they often talk about percieved problems with maintaining an erection as after a while it will begin to go away.

Basically Arousal is not impossible to get.

>>93299758

Well considering it has to be somewhat plausible because gay people keep being born with every new generation, so something along lines evolution-wise had to happen so they can keep being born.

>>93287813
>(same thing with Zangief from street fighter)
The Zangief thing is because one game lists "beautiful women" on his dislikes

>>93299662
that is compleatly plausible you have to bear in mind that beign gay wasnt socially acceptable, so the people would fake beign het to avoid getting killed or rejected by their families and friends.
Also there are people who realise they are gay after a long time, it happens.

i have a kind of weird story regarding an old man getting out of the closet after having a family and all

>>93299758
I'll throw you an olive brach - arousal is not impossible to get and dicks have a mind of their own (anything can spark a reaction, hell, just a thought or even fear itself is a form of arousal); but sustaining penetration and have actual sex is another thing. You can't tell me that you can just say to any straight man or woman to have sex with a person of the same sex and tell them to "hey, just have a happy thought and you'll make it", because it's ridiculous. Not to mention borderline offensive to actual gay people who've had to repress their feelings during their lives. - apparently it's something that you can just just turn on and off.

Bisexuality exists and these "oh my god he was gay all along and was just repressing" stories are borderline fanfiction and fujo fantasies. That's why jean mindfuckey of bobby caused stomachs to turn, these things are forced as fuck.

>>93294032

>he doesn't have a shirt that says "I"m gay" that he wears and doesn't make being gay the first thing about him that people know.

He drops gay innuendo a lot, from what I've seen.

He's just such a badass that it doesn't matter.

>>93300065
a lot of people orgasm when they are raped and they dont want it. So a man getting raped in the ass by another man and orgasming to it is not a sign he wanted to get raped by another man

>>93300140

Which is connected directly to prostate stimulation and has nothing to do with rape or another man at all. You could do it to yourself with a finger if you wanted to.

>>93300205
yes i know. what i said is that if you can get it from that "unconventional" way, then you can get it from other things. maybe you like to get your feets tickel or your armpits licked or whatever.
so at the end saying that having a family with a person of the opposite sex is unsustainable because you dont like the other sex so you wont be able to have kids is plain stupid. what is true is that they will be less sexually active with them, and more than probably will look for outside hidden action.

>>93300304

I think you're dismissing the urges outside of physical act though, I personally couldn't stomach idea of banging another dude for any amount of money, I'd rather be poor.

There is mental, emotional components to sex that can turn you off to the idea long before it ever gets to that point, is the other person's point and dismissing bisexuality or close to that part of the spectrum would allow someone to be okay with it and just not understand that's why they're feeling that way, not that they're secretly gay.

>>93300417
there are bisexuals who got an hetero life, there are people that were secretly gay and they couldnt have sex with their partners in a conventinal way, and there are people who were secreatly gay but could fuck with their partners for whatever reason, they wanted a son or the social preasure was enough for them to do it. as i said, whatever reason they had.

it happens

>>93299936
Isn't the current theory epigenetics? Like while the kid is in the womb the mother's body fucks with homormone levels or something causing the gay gene to activate or the sex preference gene to go loopy or whatever.

>>93284860
been a while since I saw a fag podt in /co/. requesting more homo-capeshit.

>>93300510

Well between doing brain scans of hereto people and gay people and trying to figure out differences and hormone theory, they think it is genetic pre-disposition coupled with a different type of hormone release during pregnancy.

Yeah that is the going theory but it will change as they narrow the process down by tracking children till adult hood and figuring out conditions for it.

>>93300510
there is no current theory. scientist still have no clue why it happens
but there was some study, it has some time now, that showed some relation between the number of kids you have and them beign gay. so if you have 7, the seventh not only will have awesome magic powers, he is more likely to be gay than the first

>>93289760
Especially young movie Nightcrawler. He's practically made to get his boypussy pounded by a million dudes.

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>>93292417
See, THIS kind of thing! This is what I'm talking about, she's perfect for the baddie role! OMG Marvel, please center your next event around TeenJean and her psychic super-dickery. I would buy/read the hell out of every issue!

>>93300065
Except arousal is a physiological reaction and action while sex isn't. A gay guy can have sex with women if he actually TRIED, it may not be something he will actually want but if he is in denial and will try to do ANYTHING to justify his Pseudo-Heterosexuality, HE WILL think of dudes while banging chicks, not only does actual studies of how men who are gay and had sex with women in the past experienced this and have been open with these experiences telling of all this backing this idea up. It's a sad reality, plain and simple.

>>93302558
Men are such degenerates.

>>93299957
And that's because he views them as a distraction.

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>>93286606

>>93286037
double in the first 5 issues and sales go less than half after that ( less than a quarter if you count the double in the first 5 issues)

>>93288697
do you know a lot of bug chasers?

>>93285005
that's kinda unfair to Jean. She didn't turn him gay. She's just a convenient read:lazy plot device Bendis used to broach the subject just as he was about to jump off the book

>>93289664
I'm pretty sure his eyes are extra resistant or something. Also, artists are never consistent on where they are.

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>>93292227
It kind of triggers my trypophobia.

If Wolverine comes back while Daken is still with Bobby, how would he react?

>>93289760
I remember Nightcrawler and Toad being a REALLY Popular ship back when Evolution was still airing.

So yeah Kurt really is Fujo bait...

>>93302558
It's basically like fucking an onahole that's attached to a woman. You don't need to think about it.

>>93303989
Thankfully most of them are just fantasizing about it and not actually doing it. It also exists across the board people just talk about gay ones because no one wants to talk about straight bugchasers.

>>93305400

is bugchasing/giftgiving a real thing? That sounds like some suicidal fantasy shit or an episode of SVU

>>93304751
He'd warn Bobby that Daken's a manipulative sociopath I guess.

>>93284860

why doesnt the gay community demand *better* than the the most dull character in Marvel being ham-fistedly retconned into gayness?

>>93305589
The coming out sucked but we'll take what we can get and hope it gets better from here desu

>>93305589
because media parasites have ignored all dissenters and promoted it as "progressive".

>>93288697
Because tumblrinas and social justice types flip their shit if a homosexual relationship isn't portrayed as 100% perfect and happy with both characters having pretty much no flaws as well.

Hell, actual gay people have been told to burn or recieved death threats for depicting gay relationships as being anything less than perfect.

>>93305589
We already have Midnighter, desu. Besides, if the gay community wants better than this, they should buy more comics.

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>>93305846

>>93305589

>the gay community

This wasn't done for the gay community, this was done for fat while girls on tumblr.

>>93306468
They really missed the mark then, fat white girls really want Magneto and Xavier to fuck.

>>93286727
mfw I did something like this to an ex bf's profile years ago.
> Hi I'm Gaylord, Lord of the Gays.

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>>93306816
Exactly. However, you forgot something crucial, Marvel has been fucking up left and right now since the MCU. They think fans want more of the fucking Inhumans.

>>93290545
I think there was a mild shitstorm. It went under the radar for the most part.

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>>93284860
I accept nu Marvel is cancer that doesn't give a fuck about their characters.

Though given that Iceman is an X-Man, magically transfixing him into a homo is probably the only reason he hasn't been turned into mutant Hitler and killed off.

Enjoy your sharia law-loving Marvel, fag. Remember this, when someone tries to throw you from a rooftop.

>>93305846
To be fair maybe if you portray it better actual gays will sto being the scum of the earth assholes who sleep around with everyone. I fucking hate the gay community it's shit. I just want an actual relationship. Not some nihilistic hedonistic 24/7 oarty.

>>93288037
So you're into religious persecution, ok.

>>93288037
Why is Kurt Catholic? He's German. Calvinism took root in Germany.

The Roma who raised him were Pagan/Occultists.

>>93290957
It's called friendship. I understand how that might be an alien concept to you, though.

Thinking about it now, fantasizing about unofficial gay couples that will never be might be ALL you have. Sad.

>>93307960
Don't be a douche.

No I'm not the anon you responded to.

>>93295636
You've been blinded by your fanboyism. Wolverine has ALWAYS been a hebephilic rapist. Did you just block out the fact that he's been hitting on Jean since he met her, and he's like 115 years older than her?

Or his questionable relationship with every. Single. Teen. Girl the X-Men have taken into their main roster? I mean you got Shadowcat, Jubilee, Armor, X-23, etc...

It's like Batfags being blind about how inappropriate his kidnapping at-risk kids who look exactly like him and dressing them up in green speedoes is.

>>93307898
>doesn't know shit about history and acts like he does

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany

Please kill yourself, you will be doing the world a service.

>>93296647
Again with this "phobia" word.

Silly, people aren't afraid of you.

We are just sick of you.

>>93296894
>Overly vague argument that can apply to literally everyone.

Ok princess.

Meanwhile, ex-gays are more numerous than active gays. Blame those pesky feminists experimenting in college then becoming stay-at-home moms, I guess.

>>93308129
>Again with this "phobia" word.
The word has been appropriated to have a new meaning, faggot.
Just like faggot, has a different meaning here and should be allowed to be said openly, nigger.

>>93297187
>People tear are each other on whether Nightwing should stay with Babs or Star.
>They literally use friendship over love as an argument.

Make your own gay characters. Stan Lee didn't brought Captain America back as a teenager when he realized teens were unrepresented in comics.

>>93308113
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany

The ratio of Roman Catholic to Evangelical are about equal.

Protestants, Evangelicals, and Lutherans, while Christian, were established in opposition to the corrupt and tyrannical Catholic Church and its exploitation of its followers.

The woman who raised Nightcrawler communed with demons, wore horns, and practiced magic.

She's more of a witch than a Roma.

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>>93308260
>The woman who raised Nightcrawler communed with demons, wore horns, and practiced magic.
>She's more of a witch than a Roma.

I wasn't arguing about Kurt's upbringing. I just can't stand the many retards that flock this site and spout unequivocally false dribble, so I was attempting to prove him wrong.

>>93308215
Take that argument to the street bro. I you're not black, try saying that. Hell, go to BLM rallies and give it a go. I'll read it in the funny papers.

>>93308307
I am black. Afro-Mexican to be precise.
I'm from Costa Chica in Guerrero.
Google it dipshit.

>>93308260
And Nightcrawler is a Catholic. You don't have to be born a Catholic. Hell, muslims in muslim radical places have turned to Catholicism because they found their faith demanded it.

Of course, the guy I'm talking about almost got killed for doing that.

>>93308319
No entiendo entonces porqué tan ofendido. De las cosas buenas que tenía nuestra cultura es que nos reímos de todo y no andamos llorando como estos gringos por una pendeja palabra.

Desafortunadamente, está comenzando a cambiar.

Also
Mis condolencias por vivir en Guerrero, stay safe.

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>>93305116
Kurt is basically the Beast Boy of X-Men, fujos love furry twinks. Him being so uguu in Apocalypse certainly didn't hurt.

And then there's Fox Quicksilver, whom jap fujos like to ship with everyone up to and including his own father.

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>>93284860
You know, at least someone was brave enough to make it two guys.

I'm sick and tired of cute lesbians, they're the safest possible way to virtue-signal to the LGBT. Even the most stereotypical bible-thumping conservative Jesus freak thinks two girls kissing is hot.

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>>93308376
>está comenzando a cambiar.

No it's not. Stop fucking lying. I got fucking yelled at in Mexico City by some dark mestizo that called me a nigger and some other shit in English. My dad got mugged in Durango while the guy screamed, "Pinche lobo, zacate de mi país."

Guerrero while a shithole, the people are actually friendly. Only time you get in trouble is if you make a big scene like those kids did Iguala.

>>93308410
You sound like some lesbians that were talking about Tracer being gay in Overwatch. They are literally being pandered to and what did they say?

"Omg that was SO safe, why not Reinhardt and some other? And why was she given a pretty girlfriend? Ugh, I'm sick of pretty lesbians, I'm not gonna thanks Blizzard for just acknowledging my existence!!!"

Literal cancer.

>>93308486
"lesbians" you mean actual dykes are bitches but love being pandered to and most hate men.

>>93308295
>>93308260 is me.

>>93308473
I meant "It's beginning to change" as in, "people are now getting more sensitive and crying about everything". Which it is. Take a fucking chill pill.

And yeah, racism exists, and it won't go away, deal. Sorry about your dad being mugged though. People in Chilangolandia are.. wel.. chilangos, nothing to be done about them, and the north is infested with crime too.

I'll take your word for it, but my days of vacationing in Guerrero are still done.

>>93308102
This post couldn't scream "I don't read comics" any louder if it tried.

>>93308567
>Chilangos

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>>93308567
>>93308673
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>>93308687

>>93284860

Make me you homo.

>>93308687
Gets a rise out of me every single time man.

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Mostly I'm just peeved that every single story arc from before the big gay announcement got kicked to the curb and whenever I complain about it I get told Iceman had no fans prior to the gay shit.

I want him dealing with the fact that he's a part of the Asgardian apocalypse and actually being a major powerhouse figure in the mutants like the other Omega level mutants not named Elixir

>>93310054
You post a page from the storyline overtly about Bobby's inability to accept himself for what he is (that just so happened to involve his intolerant father and every woman he's ever had a failed relationship with) and you complain about an inconsistency in his stories themes now that the subject is about ...

... the gay???

but how do you know they'll never return to the Omega-level mutant subject ever again???

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>>93309963
Honestly, I don't know how men can stay straight when faced with an Adonis. A /fit/ male body is a work of art.

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>>93293730
>nothankyou
>implying Cutecrawler isn't made for taking a trillion cocks

>>93284860
>pretending anyone other than gay dudes and women ever paid attention to iceman, let alone liked him, before this drama

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>>93309963
Wow thanks google.

>>93311093
Did women and gay men even pay attention to Iceman before this? He's never been a particularly popular x-man.

For that matter, women and gay men don't seem to care about him even after this. It's like everyone recognized how shitty this attempt was.

I'm just starting to thing that every gay that isn't me is annoying as fuck.

>>93308486
The uprise in tumblr bashing attractive lesbians and demanding more butch dykes in fiction and media is hilarious. Why would these deranged cunts want that awful stereotype that has dogged all gay women forever to be reinforced?

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>>93286744
The reason I don't like Marvel's gay/bi characters is that a big portion of the high-profile ones fall under the "young hip urban Cool Kid" umbrella (Wiccan, Hulkling, Miss America, Prodigy, Anole, Karolina Dean, even Iceman) while DC has goddamn adults with different problems not related to being gay/bi.

>>93311651
Does Deadpool count as gay representation for Marvel?

>>93311817
He's kinda "talk the talk but not walk the walk."

>>93311859
But if some super hot male were to initiate fucking, would he object?

>>93284860
Are there any gay guys being pushed in comic books who aren't twinks?

I want a big beefy bear beefcake.

Also a gay who isn't written like complete and utter dog shit with the personality of 'gay' would be nice.

>>93311914
Midnighter

>>93311153
You know what tumblr really fucking ruined? Finding the proper sources for porn. If it's a picture everything goes to a billion fucking reblogs from tumblr non eof which tell me the source.

>>93310945
Yeah fuck I mean how does sexuality even work?

>>93288508
twinks are just useful toys for them, you should never date one as there shallow and dont realise there on the clock when it come to dating and fucking other guys

>>93311896
No. The problem is that Marvel won't actually show Deadpool in a relationship with a dude in the foreseeable future, he's too popular for that. Hence, "not walk the walk."

>>93311914
Orlando's Midnighter, then his Midnighter and Apollo are what you're looking for.