ITT: Things /co/ will not accept even though it's true

>>93249606
Calm down little weeaboo. Go back to fucking a pillow.

>>93249606
>berserk 2016

>>93249606
/co/ has a hardon for 2D the same way hipsters have a hard on for records

>>93249606
Define "surpassed".

>>93249654
Cel-shaded CG can be great.
Any other animation is shit compared to actual 2D

>>93249649
Berzerk '16 looks like shit because it has a shit director.

>>93249674
Wrong

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>>93249674
Hi

>>93249761
that was trying to look like stop motion animation, so it doesnt count

>>93249778
>it doesn't count because it proves my statement wrong

>>93249656
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/surpass

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>>93249778
couldn't stop-motion just be considered the original 3D animation?

>>93249606
/co/ basically admitted that when the Paperman short was released, you fucking newfag.

>>93250117
Paperman was shit

>>93250128
Doesn't change that /co/ was fucking nuts over it when it was released friendo making OP wrong.

>>93249821
OH
I guess.

>>93249761
>>93249796
>>93249821
Stop-motion is the worst animation ever, period.

>>93250241
>*watches Steven Universe*

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>videogames have basically crossed the entire aesthetic spectrum and dabbled in every genre using not just 3D animation, but 3D animation that has to be rendered in real time and is at the control of a person inputting commands
>CGI movies have been endlessly recycling Pixar's visual style for 2 decades despite having absolutely full control of their creation's content and no unknown variables restraining them

The anger is misplaced.

>>93249606
>never mastered 2d animation
Pocahontas, Snow White, the Lion King, Sleeping beauty, the list continues.

>>93250362
>tfw videogames will eventually replace cartoons

>>93250514
None of those have better animation than akira, man, let's be honest. They have great animation, but 80s anime OVA animation was on another fucking level.

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>>93250514
>Pocahontas, Snow White, the Lion King, Sleeping beauty

>>93249674
Maybe in ten more years when 3d engines can handle real cartoon like renderings
It was really cool playing as Naruto and having him look like Naruto but now that the initial shock has passed I can still see all the ways in Wich it's not

>>93250579
Guilty Gear Xrd though. GGX is just on another fucking level in terms of cell shaded mock-2D 3D.

>>93249821
It can barely be considered animation
I mean it's a stiff thing and it's animated in that you move it and it looks like animation but it's pretty much just puppeteering
Are the moppets stop motion?

>>93250560
videogames won't replace cartoons

the advantage you have making a movie or show over a game is story. you can tell any story you want and the viewer can't change it, or experience it in a way other than your ideal

games, on the other hand, rely heavily on player choice. the players want to have an impact on the story and have their decisions matter, so you cannot write something and expect everyone to experience it the same way

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>>93250579
>implying we're not at that point right now

pack it in, 2d cuckies, 3d chad's thunder cock is here to stay and take away ALL your waifus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RM1zUrY1AQ

>Armenian "genocide" never happened

>>93250648
Video games are literally already replacing cartoons though.

>>93250609
I have seen those another level super cool cell shaded animation and while I agree it's a lot better than it was it's still not enough
It goes beyond the art, the engines used aren't good enough yet, 3d engines are generally shit in terms of rendering, there is a lot of work to be done on them
Only way I could see a 3d cell shaded cartoon being good enough tight now is if you got someone to paint over the frames on Photoshop

>>93250648
Kids don't care though.
They'd rather play shitty gambling fighting card games on tablets than watch a cartoon.

>>93250560
>Will
Don't worry, eventually animation will get better and cheaper and videogames will have cartoons inside them
It's for the best, the animation industry wanted to die

>>93250640
of course it's animation you retard.

Muppets and Puppetry are special cases in that they are technically /co/ related.

>>93250658
Nice try, Cenk

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>>93250648
>the advantage you have making a movie or show over a game is story. you can tell any story you want and the viewer can't change it, or experience it in a way other than your ideal


Isn't that literally a huge appeal for a good majority of people playing vidya, that they're playing it for the story? and let's be honest, it doesnt matter if you can tell a story better in either medium, right now videogames are kicking the ever loving shit out of animated features and tv shows in america.

They literally make more money than live action, there's entire genres where its nothing but story and some limited character interaction or some simple action sequences.

>games, on the other hand, rely heavily on player choice. the players want to have an impact on the story and have their decisions matter, so you cannot write something and expect everyone to experience it the same way

except people can and already do that with linear games, and in fact no matter if its open ended or not, the author still made those works, so literally anything the player does is just a larger part of the experience. See undertale, where its basically three different variations of the same story. You cant fucking do that with a cartoon and that kind of makes them obsolete.

>>93250274
I stand by my statement.

>>93250274
>using *
Fucking Starfags

>>93250689
video games are such an interesting medium. pixels are still cool and can thrive along side 3d. Infact, video games managed to revive an interest rubber hose 2d animation.

>>93250821
Your statement is just a shit opinion with nothing to back it up. Standby it a you want but it doesn't mean a god damned thing.

>>93250759
If puppetry is animation then anyone can animate and real time animation is the original kind of animation
Also what is puppetry? A little girl playing pretend with a doll is really putting up a theater play with mixed animation and live action performance

>>93250772

>You cant fucking do that with a cartoon and that kind of makes them obsolete.

How? Video games doing something unique does not make every other medium obsolete.

>>93250890
Someday you will be able to put on a helmet and enter a matrix like videogame with realistic renders managed by artificial intelligence

>>93250651
Sure is some mechanical/unnatural movement going on there.

>>93250890
Videogames are literally nothing but animation but more immersive, they can still be story intensive, and often have very good animation, 2d and 3d.

They're also not niche.

Animation literally cannot compete.

>>93250870
>Also what is puppetry? A little girl playing pretend with a doll is really putting up a theater play with mixed animation and live action performance
I mean, technically speaking yes

and of course anyone can animate. It takes practice to master like anything, but anyone can do it.

>>93250919
Not all videogames have animation
What about Yu-Gi-Oh like card games for example or stock market simulators?

>>93250772
>You cant fucking do that with a cartoon and that kind of makes them obsolete.
books are obsolete and they are still making money, so are movies. sometimes people just want a rigid , passive narrative fed to them because people are lazy. Vidoe games can't do that, by their very nature they are made to be not passive but an active experience.

>>93250919

>Videogames are literally nothing but animation but more immersive

What? Video games are interactive. They NEED to be interactive. You don't need to force puzzles or combat into an animated short/film.

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>>93250974
They have drawings and symbols moving, its animation. As limited as it is, its animation.

>>93250919

Doesn't that mean that every single medium is obsolete because of video games?

>>93250938
We should at least agree that for puppetry to be considered animation it Should be recorded
If not it's just insane, using your phone is animation, eating a burger is animation, etc

>>93251039
It does.

Videogames are literally the last frontier medium, it's killing the movie industry and its killing the animation industry, and taking the talent for itself. Why wouldnt it? more people want videogames than movies or animated cartoons.

>>93251017
The drawings and symbols don't always move
Take virtual chess for example, clearly a videogame but there is no animation, drawings of pieces disappear and appear where you clicked
Or virtual Scrabble where you input text

>>93251070
But vidya has gone to shit since the early 2000s just like pretty much everything else. It's not going to save anything.

>>93251070

So you think that more people play video games than people watch movies and netflix?

>>93250910
>Someday my fantasy will be reality!
Or maybe it'll never happen.
>>93250919
Video games are much more than animation and are awful for storytelling in most cases. Having to make choices specifically breaks immersion, especially if they don't end up the way you'd want them to (selects no: "HEY FUCK YOU AND DIE ASSHOLE!"), and then there's the whole gameplay aspect that interrupts damn near everything.

I mean you could go the Dragon's Lair route, but that's a much worst platform for story telling than a film.

>>93251017
That's a fighting game with relatively limited looping frames compared to a full feature length film, and you're trying to argue games make animation obsolete? Are you retarded?

>>93251070
>killing the film industry
>said when film industry isn't dying
K, you are retarded just needed to be sure thanks.

>>93251055
isn't animation just a word used to describe an object that can move. That's why the word "inanimate" is used to describe still objects

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>>93250825
You rang?

>>93251070

>fantasia is great and all, but it would really be better if everything stopped for a few minutes so I could solve a puzzle

>>93251070
When was the last time a game made a billion dollars?

>>93251128
Well a nuclear Holocaust could happen at any point, for all I know the technology exists in the other end of the observable universe and it was invented by slug-people what's your point?

>>93251131
Sure is

>>93251070

when it comes to storytelling the only things that could even come close to other mediums are things that specifically make fun of game cliches and make game mechanics like saving your game part of the story like undertale, point and click games, or games that are just movies

>>93251144
Jackie is end game fucker, enjoy being JUST friends.

>>93251165
Minecraft is a good example, we generally aren't told how much money games make plus games keep making money ten years after release

>>93249606
I actually do accept this, though if you talked to me back in 2011 or so I would disagree.

In about 2012 or so we finally reached the point where 3D animation can look just as good or better than 2D animation.

>>93251165
Gta o line alone made 700 millions and that's the online part of a really successful game

>>93251203
Just because it's an episode title doesn't make it true, anon.
Now, a new season opening on the other hand...

>>93251165
gta 5 has made $2,079,480,000

>>93251055
what this fella said>>93251131

Categorizing shit like that gets weird after a while

go with the flow

>>93251247
Using that logic, I guess Marco no longer has a family either.

>>93251347
Sounds more like /vr/ to me.

>>93250759
Muppets is not animation.

>>93251357
>Sounds more like /vr/ to me.
>just like pretty much everything else
Are you retarded, or just pretending to be?

>>93249676
does Berserk '17 have the same director?

>>93251383
>Muppets ARE not animation
is how I would correct you, but it'd still be wrong

>>93251395
>just like pretty much everything else
Who are you quoting that triggered you so much baby boi?

>>93251144
Not you assholes, the other starfags

>>93251477
Is the Starro thread still alive?

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>>93249606
True

>>93251576
um... wrong webm. I never even downloaded that or know what it is?

>>93251441
I'm quoting myself ITT, you reading comprehension-failing idiot.

>>93251477
Why do you think we are assholes, anon!?

>>93251440
"The Muppets" is a proper name

>>93251421
Yep, he should be fired

>>93251726
fair enough

>>93249606
Hi Famicom, how did the "hamster-play" with your lover go?

>>93254382
What does Famicom have to do with CG?

>>93249606
There are pros and cons to both mediums. With hand-drawn animation movements need to be larger & exaggerated. In computer generated animation larger & exaggerated movements aren't as needed & don't translate terribly well, but the format allows for much more intricate designs & movements.

Aladdin's carpet must've been hell to animate with so many details to account for, which is why it had limited appearances in the film.

>>93251106
>But vidya has gone to shit since the early 2000s

t. Reddit

Why is when most people talk about "good" animation, they actually seem to be talking about style, design, colour and lighting over movement, timing, weight, posing etc.?

not so much denial as misconception that triggers my autism

animation, animation style and art style are 3 different things

>>93255083
Because the former is more important so long as the latter is simply serviceable.

Animation is like a camera system in a videogame, if it's doing it's job correctly, you don't even acknowledge or notice it. All animation has to do is hit the bare minimum in terms of range of motion and fluidity to maintain the illusion of movement and beyond that investing more time into it is superfluous.

We all just going to ignore how this is the thousandth time somebody's posted this and how Williams isn't saying any of this shit from the actual video the image is taken from?

>>93255023
Not really. Disney has always walked the line of naturilistic.
Only reason we haven't seen exagerated, cartoony CGI animation is because only now do they have the technology and know how to make it.

Honestly I've yet to see CGI animation move as believably as hand-drawn animation. Even the best stuff still feels rigged.

>>93255162
Well that's utterly ludicrous. I think your thinking about a painting.
The latter is what animation is actually made from. As in the thing itself. The rest is dressing.

Animation is what replaces the actors and props. Having bad animation is like having a cast of actors who stand still and speak in a dry montone.
Animation controls the differences of what makes a subject or scene funny or terrifying.
Animation is what makes you believe whether that drawing is actually a cat and those multiple drawings played frame by frame really is a boulder falling from a cliff.

>>93255489
Right and you only need the bare minimum so that things are fluid enough the drawings are moving autonomously, the same way in a comic the art simply has to be not-horrible enough you can read the story without the art distracting you from it. It merely needs to be passable enough to maintain the illusion and no more.

There's a reason a good story can salvage shit art, but good art can't salvage a shit story.

>>93255184
shhhh let them fight. I think they're enjoying it.

Futa is not gay

>>93255184
Its still true though

False. The best CGI doesn't look nearly as good as hand Drawn animation OR practical effects. The thing looks better than any CGI effect and so does 90s Disney movies

Kubo was the best looking animated movie in years so OP is clearly wrong and a faggot

>>93256936
No it isn't. The hunk back looked better than Akira. Also Redline did too.

>>93257159
>and so does 90s Disney movies
Disney animation style is terrible compared to 2D.

>>93257284
If you meant to type 3D, you are wrong. CGI ages by the year but hand Drawn is still amazing and allows for more variety

>>93257230
>Kubo
>2D

What did she mean by this?

>>93255023
>Aladdin's carpet
was CGI

Thanks for proving you don't know what you're talking about.

>>93257470
It wasn't CGI though. CGI looks like trash

>>93257403
>If you meant to type 3D
No, I didn't. I consider Disneyesque a completely separate style from regular 2D.

>>93251477

Trek? Wars? Gate?

>>93257727
It wasn't 2D either, are you retarded?

>>93257738
>I consider this company's 2D style not 2D because muh feelings about it or something undefinable
???

>>93254382
>>93254899

Ok, who is this Famicom that everyone in this board keeps talking about? He has a ED page or on Lurkmore.com?

>>93250241
Lego movie wasn't stop-motion ya dingus.

Also you're a flaming retard but everyone knew that already.