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>>93242807
>the good spirit is female
>the evil spirit is male

It's not really a retcon if it's not retconning anything either. Until that point we didn't really know where the Avatar power came from

>>93243184
makes sense to me

>>93243210
It retconned the Avatar State being the accumulative power of all of the past lives, but you could also argue that Roku was just repeating what he was told and that sort of knowledge was lost. The Wan story just heavily took advantage of how vague things really were.

Oh and people think it retcons the whole thing about animals somehow being magical and teaching people to bend even though that was never canon to begin with.

>>93242807
>what should we do with the first avatar?
>make his nickname poopyface lol

>>93243210
It is a retcon if it directly conflicts with what we know about bending. Such as
>"Before they bent the elements they bent the energy around them"
>The avatar isn't an all powerful spirit that never dies [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaMfs0tQ0h4 ]
>The function of the Avatar state
>The entirety of the Spirit World
>The method of traveling to the Spirit World

>>93243234
not if you knew anything about yin-yang

>>93243267
>The avatar isn't an all powerful spirit that never dies
I mean that technically is still true, the Avatar is not Raava. She couldn't suddenly just decide she doesn't want to do this whole human thing anymore and go around as a magical battle kite bending all of the elements on her own.

>>93243267
>"Waterbenders learned to bend by watching the moon and the ties"
>lol just kidding the lion turtles gave everyone all bending

>>93243300
The specials made it very clear that there's a difference between throwing an element blindly around (which is what the people in Wan's city were doing) and actually bending an element (which Wan started to do after he watched the dragons).

Adventure Time is quite good at doing this, to the point you question whether they planned it out all along.

>>93243254
>Oh and people think it retcons the whole thing about animals somehow being magical and teaching people to bend even though that was never canon to begin with.
No one ever claimed they were magical, just that imitating them, using abilities that were already within benders, allowed them to masterfully control the elements.

They imitated
>The way dragons danced as they controlled fire
>The way badger moles sensed and disrupted the earth
>The flying bison (which was never quite gotten into)
>The way the moon pushed and pulled the tides

>>93243293
Well, no, The "Avatar" is essentially just a human host for Raava's power, the ability to bend, and control of all 4 elements is carried along with her. Raava is the Avatar incarnate.

>>93243329
This is the entire basis of nu-AT but a lot of it is pretty obviously not planned from the start.

>>93243280
(semi-different) anon here. The actual real truth is, the ying-yang is a super ancient symbol with many different interpretations. Good luck figuring out the "right" one (pro-tip: you can't).

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"Fusion is a metaphor for love"

>>93242807
>If I kill him he will be reborn after 1000 years
>He is clearly alive even tho he was killed before the 1000 years mark
>I will kill you rava and then I will rule the world forever
>They separate and the black thing goes stronger while rava goes weak
>Even tho they represent balance
>Why does rava become weaker while the other one becomes stronger? It makes no senss

>>93243329
Pfffft hahahahahahhahahHhahah

>>93245039
As far as retconning goes, they're pretty decent at making it fit into canon. Not all the time of course.

>>93243184
It's not in you're face or making a point I don't see the issue

>>93243329
The crown being in two places at once in Farmworld is what comes to mind.

>>93245074
Because Yin is traditionally female and Yang is traditionally male, swapping this so that Raava, who represents Yang is female is just fucking stupid.

>>93245131
Okay i see thats it's rather arbitary and odd in the face of avatar's influence, I dont however see how it's stupid?

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>>93245147
Because the change serves no purpose thematically except to fit the common idea that women are the embodiment of good.

And having a new Yin/Yang duo is fucking retarded considering Tui and La did it much better in the original.

>>93242807
Isn't the new avatars after Korra have both Raava and Vaatu inside of them, making them truly balanced or something?

Virtually everything in Korra.

>>93243359
The fact you just called the yin, ying, means you have no idea what your talking about. Yin and Yang have pretty clear original meanings and many misinterpretations. Look into it sometime.

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>>93245131
You got your yin and yang mixed up.

>>93245315
That would have made a little more sense, but no. Pretty sure they just locked the yang up and only used the yin, which is a fundemental misunderstanding of the concept, as well as flying in the face of korra's yang leaning persona.

Shits just weird in retrospect

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>>93243184

Take a look at 4chan and tell me this is wrong.

>>93245131
>>93243280


Chinese mythology originally had a female sun deity and a male lunar deity until the advent of movements like Taoism and Confucianism. Pic related (Xihe)

>>93245381
No, I don't, you clearly don't have the most basic understanding of the concept.

>>93245402
Yeah, presenting them as a plain "good and evil" was a really big misstep, that ATLA handled much better with the Ocean and Moon spirits

>>93245417
http://www.iep.utm.edu/gender-c/

>>93245402
But Vaatu was destroyed and will be reformed inside Ravaa like Raava was destroyed and reformed inside Vaatu.

>>93245519
They'll deal with it in a few thousand, don't worry about it.

>>93245573
It would be awesome to have a futuristic setting like Mass Effect or Star Wars and have mystical elements the Avatar and spirits stuff.

>>93245417
Don't forget Fu Xi or Nu Wa. Or Xi Wangmu.

Also they missed an opportunity not putting Xihe in Age of myth and instead they put fucking Huang Di in there as a minor god. I mean I understand ancestor worship it KINDA makes sense but they should and could have put better gods in. Like, an ACTUAL god instead of just an exalted emperor.

>>93243300
Its called mythology Anon.
Unless you actually think Atlas is holding up the planet.

>>93245417

Just like Japan!

>>93245402
Like I don't get it, the whole point of a yin-yang dynamic is that it's not generic good vs evil and ne of the major ideas behind it is that chaos and dark isn't supposed to be always evil.

Balance means having both, but the way that they did it in LoK just threw yin under the bus.

>>93245762
It's literally where Toph learned bending.

Aang, and Zuko (re)learned firebending.

And a lion turtle itself said before bending the elements people bent the energy inside themselves, which would perfectly fit with learning to use that energy to control the elements, not with magically being gifted powers.

And even if it made sense, it is still a lackluster explanation compared to learning it from the animals.

If your twist is more boring than what you're twisting, you've made a mistake.

>>93245949
Westerners don't actually understand yin and yang. The first mistake made is thinking it has anything to do with good and evil.

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>>93246010
Man I remember watching a cartoon a long time ago, I think it was one of the Transformer series, that took place after they beat Omicron or something.

But the idea behind it was that even though they beat the huge bad guy and source of evil, the universe was tearing itself apart because killing him left a huge hole of 'where chaos and dark is supposed it be' and threw everything out of balance.

What I'm basically getting at is that somehow Transformers did Eastern Philosophy better than Korra did.

>>93246101
That's not how it works either

>>93246101
Yin and Yang are neither good nor evil, just different characteristics.

>>93242807
Any decent porn of these two?

>>93246010
The painful thing is how right the first series got it, where good ultimately comes from balance between the elements. Too little fire leaves you passionless, too much leads to anger, obsession, and destruction. There are similar lessons for the other elements.

In the first series, the Avatar is good because their journey around the world exposes them to all of the principles they must bring into balance, and Iroh is wise because his trip around the world mimicked this process.

In Korra, the Avatar is good because god says so and Iroh is wise because he has a high "spirituality" stat.

>>93242807
Remember Unalaq giving a speech about how no spirit is inherently evil? Well fuck that & let's make a spirit that is the embodiment of all evil!

>>93247967
Aren't they like twins or something because they were joined together into Wan separated them.

Raava is merely the conduit that connects all the avatars and binds them to the cosmic energy. The power does not come from Raava herself.

Though I did prefer it when it was implied that the avatar "sprit" was the spirit of the planet itself, thus stopping fire lord Ozai was a form of divine justice.

>>93243267
>The entirety of the Spirit World
we have never been to the Spirit World for a extended time

>The avatar isn't an all powerful spirit that never dies
rava goes to the next reincarnation of Wan

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>>93249112
lets just forget Koh yea