when were you when poppy was kill?

>>93209283
celebrating as I read that post

Well shit.

I guess I'll take writing with sparse illustrations over it dying completely, but that fucking sucks.

>>93209349

Same here. Morbi's art-style was one of the draws for me, but if he hates doing it I guess there isn't much that can be done to help that.

>He pulled the "Well, I wasn't REALLY interested in this project that I've been working on for years, been making a living off of, and started a Paetron for" move
Laughing my ass off. Can we finally have an end of delusional fucks defending Morbi's passive-aggressive shit because "H-He's gonna deliver!"? The guy was a hack from day one, the majority of people only liked this shit because muh shipping/lesbians/thicc, and the artwork was always crap.

I told people it was going to get abandoned eventually. I told people that passive-aggressive artists aren't to be trusted. I told people not to place faith in artists who's artwork never improves. I told people not to sign up for that Paetron. No one listened.

Now we just need hiimdaisy and Kimmo to "lose interest".

>>93209429
Ah well, at least their's something, I didn't mind the long waits at times, had other comics to read during the long periods.

>>93209283
Did he more or less said this about a year ago or so? Sans the graphic novel part.

Also, this is something I keep seeing among artist: The moment their craft becomes profitable, the moment they really have to stick to a schedule to keep it so and life-off by it, it's the moment they throw temper tantrums like this and just quit it all.

I mean, he can probably still milk Patreon for a few more years with the text-based comic, as some people just have that much money to burn (see the Meek's author and her highly successful Patreon, which still doesn't make her not be a lazy-ass hack), but giving away a livelihood other artist would kill for just smells petty and childish to me.

>>93209283
I'm glad I didn't catch up, like all of the people in the previous thread told me to do. No point reading a dead comic.

Why the fuck would you waste years of your life learning a skill that is both rarely profitable and not something you enjoy?

>>93210445
It would be tough but I wouldn't mind the workload, sharing my stories with eager people ready to listen and read, I would love to do that for a living.

Poppy is a shit comic and Morbi is a shitty person.

Didn't he say something like this before?

>>93210445
I think it's more of an issue that Morbi went into something not realizing he would eventually come to hate it. I can empathize with him at least, I was in a similar position where I went into a field for the wrong reasons and eventually hated what I did when I started doing it full-time.

>>93210649
Sometimes learning that skill is the only way you can get your ideas on paper, as well as across to other people. That's why some people learn to draw or write, even if it isn't something they always enjoy.

>>93211021
I did. This is a concern I've had as far back as 2014, when I asked one of these threads if people would be still willing to read an illustrated novel version of Poppy, with a gag strip on the side.
The reaction was overwhelmingly, "no, keep doing the full comic as is!" which was a little frustrating, but not at all surprising.

Also, Poppy's not ending just because I want to change formats.
You fuckers will never be free from my curse.

>>93211503
That's all we wanted to hear.

Stop passing the buck, Morbi. When you miss an update because you woke up handcuffed to the radiator for your own protection after passing out during a furry con watersports-themed room party in an improvised possum onesie, it's your own damn fault.

I am disappointed with this, since it was happening in the middle of an ongoing story arc, but in a vein similar to

>>93209612

I noticed warning signs for this comic, like slow Patreon deliveries and gate-locking the lore for your own setting behind a paywall, and a boring romance that was dominating the plot.

>>93211436

I don't understand why you didn't do what you wanted to in the first place, since you were always talking about not succumbing to fan pressure. In any case, I don't know what else you can do with your life, since you're an art school graduate and the only other content that I see you producing is page-by-page porn and doodles.

I don't know how profitable a more novel-based format would be for you, since you're known more for your art than for your writing. In any case, I hope we get to see more Poppy this year after your "final update, but at least I always have Endtown.

>>93211945
Why is your name Morbi?

>>93211503
Just do more Hellmouth man. I need my fucked up weird demon girl porn.

>"muh creative writing"

The writing is by far the worst part of this shitty comic.

The only reason anyone looks at it is because the ugly characters appeal to their fetishes.

>>93211503
>You fuckers will never be free from my curse.
And we wouldn't have it any other way

>>93209283
Dude just seems like a moron. Got this story I need to tell but it'll take five years if I make it as a comic and I don't want to make a comic.

Excellent forethought.

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>>93211436
>>93211503
I'll admit I probably wouldn't have gotten into poppy in the first place if it were a webnovel format BUT I'm still gonna follow it because the christmas story was fun

>>93212023
I want to pet this version of Petunia.

I want to hear her purr.

>>93212023
with artists like this, we can just do the art for poppy if it turns into a novel at some point

How thin-skinned are these people? The internet is not new and it shouldn't be surprising when a subset of retards on there act stupid.
I get quitting because you don't want the obligation anymore. But don't blame it on anonymous idiots who act entitled.

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>>93209283
At least we were told what's going on.

>>93209283
> I need to draw more porn instead of furry shit
well ok then

>>93212143
How are the two incompatible?

>>93211436
As someone who showed no real interest in yet another furry comic on /co/, I did however notice your ability as an artist. Don't sacrifice it to being a writer because there are a fuck ton of us who write but can't draw.

Figure out something that works for you and for the love of god make it drawing humans. Not shortstack demons, humans.

>>93212105
>Kazerad hasn't updated Prequel since October of 2015
>2
>0
>1
>5

>>93211503
Why not find a writer and you working as a artist?

>>93212189
Fucking nonsense. The world needs more people drawing porn of shortstack demons

Morbi is onto a fucking market, there. Don't discourage him. Shortstack demons and fat fucking selkie girls are the future and Morbi is going to pave the way, my man

>>93212231
You have that backwards, and the reason is because I'm not taking on an artist if I can't afford to pay them a proper wage. Because that sucks.

>>93209283
>furry lesbian and tranny comic ending

Good riddance.

>>93212299

I can do terrible stick figures for free!

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>>93209283
>planning to start long, involved comic series at some point soon-ish down the line
>already got a fan base eager for them
>was thinking of doing the whole patreon thing as well, since people are actually telling me to make one
>nearly finished getting the stories/characters/concepts ready
>read this

Well shit, that's not very encouraging...

>>93212422
post link anon

>>93211436

I'm pretty cool with a novel format with illustrations here and there.
As much as I like the comic format if you have other projects you want to move to and you don't want to be doing this over the next 10 years at 3 pages a week jump over. I want to know the story and how it all ends.
Just don't let it die if you're still interested in telling it.

Completely fits the trend.

>Small comic starts
>Author gains a loyal following of fans
>Comic begins getting more popular
>More fans come in
>Fan-run sites and blogs etc start cropping up
>Author starts to get more and more involved with that community
>Author begins to find original fans distasteful because they don't travel in the same circles
>Author distances self from original fans and immerses self in tumblr, side-projects, fan-commissioned art and "ask" blogs
>Actual comic starts to suffer and decline
>Eventually artist moves on

It's a fucking established cycle.

>>93210581
>dead comic
It's still getting an ending, if anything this means you don't have to worry so much about updates.

It's not like Prequel's case of updates becoming vaporware.

>>93212422
If you are honestly genuinely passionate about making comics, then holy shit, you make comics.
I started Poppy because I wanted to tell a story while practicing something I never really thought I was good at, and even if I bit off way more than I could chew and ended up not being a great fit for it as a long-term thing, I don't ever regret taking that first leap.

Do something you're passionate about because you really want to, even if you think it might be a bad idea.
Unless it's murder. Don't do that.

>>93212422
I mean you'll eat well for a few years until you burn out/get lazy.

>>93211436
I'm sad to hear this because Poppy is hands-down my FAVORITE webcomic right now, and the cute art and expressions are a huge draw. But imo the story is compelling enough that I wouldn't ditch if it was switched to a writing format since I'm already invested (though I usually never read web stories)
All in all I understand not wanting to continue with an enormous, time consuming art project you have absolutely no motivation for and I wish you happiness in your further endeavors and whatever choice you make with Poppy.

Have you considered doing most parts as illustrated writing and just some bits as a standard comic, or is that too much of a confusing jumble?

>>93212422
Print comics tend to be 12 issue runs for a reason.

Its easily one of the biggest mistakes/flaws with webcomics.

Amateurs are not prepared or skilled enough to do a 4 year run. So we get dead comic after dead comic. they burnout, etc.

but, even as stated, pros don't do that either. Batman might go on forever, but, any given team probably only plans out a 12 issue/1 year run. They can move on to projects if they are getting burned out. or, if it does well, THEN start a new arc.

The problem with webcomics is then, trying to get your fanbase to follow you to a new comic, if you feel you need to end your first one.

Morbi's notes here are a bit weird honestly. "I never actually wanted to make comics." As a pro, thats... a bit odd to me. I do big2, not webcomics, so for me its daily grind of pages, and I don't do the writing. Never get tired of it. making your OWN comic entirely is a bit of a different beast. But I have a hard time wrapping my head around it still, as long as its paying the bills.

>>93212685
Don't stifle my passion.

I throughly enjoy this for no other reason than I think Morbie is a whiny, entitled little twat and I enjoy seeing him finally start to collapse.

You don't do something like this for years and "never really liked it in the first place". He just can't maintain a schedule and this is his easy out.

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Just get some fucking art assistants, man.

They're cheap, if you look in your own circles they usually already have a passion for your stuff and want to help and would be willing to take a pay cut, or even do it for free. And usually the practice is invaluable for not so great on their own artists.

There's a fucking reason print comics have separate people doing shit like lettering and coloring, man.

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FUCK YEAH MARY

>>93212781
Art assistant's don't help all artists. Kaz has like 3 different people doing assets for his comic and he was atrocious BEFORE his 2 year hiatus.

>>93212737
Its actually a really dumb approach to write a maxiseries epic of 5000 pages, what people don't get about it, its economy, you need to trim the fat, but webcomickers, don't have that kind of mindset so things usually stop rather than ending.
with a dislocated jaw and a new understanding (thats why most quit the craft)

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Villainous who's motives were objectively better than the protagonist

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>>93209283
I hope he decides to keep it in comic format. I really enjoy his art and it would be a sad day when the amount of Poppy I get to enjoy as a comic is drastically reduced.
But on the bright side, he's an ok writer. The snow thanks thing he did was pretty enjoyable.

>>93212781
I wouldn't be surprised if Morbi was living paycheck to paycheck, and getting art assistants for a personal project that is free to read and not really commercially lucrative is kinda a bad investment unless you have cash to spare.

I also think most artists who make a living off art don't like taking advantage of other artists by underpaying or not paying.

I could deal with mostly text updates if they kind of alternate with normal ones.
Like Erfworld. It works pretty well.

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>>93212811
well kaz is doing like a weird choose your own adventure thing with some programming and animation so art assistance wouldnt really be conducive to faster output, as much as a small studio would.

Morbi is doing a traditional ass comic, that has a proven fucking work method on how to get shit done fast.

Morbi, pick the part of the art you actually like to do, or the one you're best at. Id say you're better off either as a penciler or as a pencil and ink man.

Get a colorist, get a letterist, maybe even get an assistant inker, and I guarantee you'll be able to put out twice the shit you think you could do on a weekly basis.

Literally every fucking manga artist does it, every comic artist does it, basically everyone who isnt a literally who in their basement does it. The entire point of getting a big fanbase and lots of people interested in you and your work is to connect with other artists and slowly grow out a team of people to make your shit faster.

Art is most productive when its collaborative. You either run with a pack of dolphins or die a lonesome shark.

morbi im telling you from fucking experience, man, you think it be like this, but it dont. You're just fatigued but no sane person would make something for years on end if they werent passionate about it. You bleed for your passion.

You just need to work smarter, rather than work harder.

>>93212685
>I started Poppy because I wanted to tell a story while practicing something I never really thought I was good at, and even if I bit off way more than I could chew and ended up not being a great fit for it as a long-term thing, I don't ever regret taking that first leap.

Yeah, I suppose that makes sense. I do still worry a bit about getting overwhelmed as you did, but I do think I'm passionate, so maybe I won't fall into the same trap? Also I think I can tell more in images that text, so the comic format, while considerably more tedious work, might be better suited for me after all.

Thanks for replying, btw. I know you're getting shit on right now because of all this, so I'm surprised you took the time to reply to my comment.

>>93212105

>Still takes commissions on stream

Even the discord fanbase (which is filled with actual children and teenagers) is getting sick of his shit, how much longer does he think he can keep stringing people along?

>>93212685
Morbi, you should do a spin-off on a character that everyone always wanted

Giraffe Lady

>>93213189
How was the one-shot comic received in those circles?

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>poopy as a web novel in short installments with paired illustrations

i don't know if i'd like it but i haven't really exposed myself to anything like that so who knows?

maybe try doing it for a bit to find a happy middle ground between too many words and too much art?

>>93213421
This

Just give GL a CHANCE

Hahaha, I see you are all new to this.

"Format Change" means "I can make more money if I do <x>" so expect to see the comic go Patreon only or, hell, go print exclusive. It's not unheard of.

>>93213421
>Giraffe Lady

I'm glad, you still remember old friend. We need GL more than ever right now

>>93211436
It's sad to hear all of this but pretty understandable being a person who draws as well but doesn't really make use of that skill with any consistency. Making an overarching comic like this seems like a lot of work that takes a lot of planning, research, time, and passion. It isn't something everyone can do and if you don't feel like its worth it to keep it going like this I think I can understand. It's just a shame because I've always enjoyed the expressiveness of your characters and your comic inspired me to draw a bit more before you started talking longer pauses. I also really enjoyed how you were creative with your paneling and word bubbles. Good luck in the future Morbi.

>>93213519
Honestly I dunno, this feels like kind of a financially risky move since he'll lose a lot of readers and potentially a chunk of his patreon if he goes through with it. I get the feeling his current free readerbase wouldn't feel too compelled to start paying to read the new format that they don't think they'd like as much, if he did a patreon-only illustrated novel thing.

>>93213521
Blessed be her slender neck, for this we put up with this dreck.
Accusations were abound, where the autists continued to hound.
The new thread continues to go to hell, for this we call upon a spell.
Bring back her epic thighs, before this thread finds its demise.

All I hear is a quitter, Morbi

You know who didn't quit and give up hope?

Giraffe Lady

>>93213421
>this meme still lives
Morbi your presence has brought this evil upon us.

>>93213630
Never said it was a good idea, just that lots of people think they can make a change and get more money.

>>93212781
If I was more skilled and drew digitally I would probably try to apply.

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>>93209283
Here's the solution:

1: Add more trannies
2: Use low effort copy and paste art
3: Rake in Patreon bucks from tumblrinas

>>93213904
Just use Miss Shiba more. I know he's technically a crossdress but he's still cute.

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>>93209283
Can't say I'm suprised. Morbi seemed burned out on it in the first few chapters, and the "I WILL finish the comic" was more for his sake than ours. I mean really, starting a comic is a HUGE project, especially if it's your first one that spans multiple years and shit.

But really, he should just admit that he doesn't want to work on the project anymore, but he does this weird online posturing to look like a cool guy. I mean, look at the EXTREMELY passive-aggressive shit on his tumblr.

Personally, Poppy started out good, but I lost interest when it shifted from action to more character-driven plots. Morbi seems to take all of his cues for drama, characters and "cool" moments from anime. I was also kinda confused about the romance subplot going from pretty much 0 to 100.

>>93212973
>Living paycheck to paycheck
He makes hundreds of dollars twice a week assuming he actually maintains his upload schedule. Thats not including anything else he does for dosh

>>93209283
huh, that sucks. morbi is great at comics but frankly kinda nothin'-to-write-home-about when it comes to prose; it'll be a shame if that's how he ends up finishing out the story.

>>93211503
Will you still draw sexy animals?
I would like to see your sexy animals.

>>93212685
>that spoiler
goddamit you made me spit my tea. There's always standup if the comic goes under or your wrists snap!

>the look on his face as his patreon money starts getting into double digits
Flap
Flap
Flap

>>93209283
>sending death threats
alright, who's the autist

>>93210816
No
Yes

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>Reading Poppy when you could be reading Beastars

>>93218537
The author who takes internet death threats seriously enough to bitch about them but not serious enough to report them to the police. Like shit, do you report everyone who tells you to kill yourself here?

>>93218537
80% of /co/

>>93218537
You mean you don't?

>>93213189
>Even the discord fanbase (which is filled with actual children and teenagers) is getting sick of his shit

He does seem to have a habit of wearing out his welcome, doesn't he? First it was the SomethingAwful forums, then it was Tumblr, then here, then /trash/, then discord...

>how much longer does he think he can keep stringing people along?

If I had to hazard a wild guess, I'd say that this nonsense is going to continue until he has so few sycophants left that he can't even pretend like he's relevant anymore, at which point he'll either try to start all over again with another comic- having hopefully learned a thing or two in the process- or he'll get bitter and spend the rest of his online existence passively-aggressively bitching and moaning about how people just don't understand how much work goes into writing, illustrating, and animating crying catgirl fanfiction.

All furries must hang

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Dont listen to the shitters Morbi. Follow your dreams.

Even if Poppy ended up going 100% text only, Id still keep up with it, and want a nice fancy collected volume to put on my shelf.

I'd rather see the comic turn into Lackadaisy than Erfworld.

Based on the Snow Thanks story, I can't say I'll keep up with Poppy if it goes to mostly text. I like Morbi's writing, but only in the confined space of the comic. Stretched out into full descriptions, the seams show. He might enjoy it, but I don't think he's nearly as good at describing what he sees in his head as he is at drawing it.

I'll give it a shot, I suppose. I like the characters, I like the world, I like the plot so far, but I also really like the art. Replacing the art with, to me, more his amateur-ish writing isn't a good thing.

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>>93209283

I'm alright with this.

Regardless of Morbi's reasoning, the web series format of 1 or 2 comic pages a week is fucking garbage.

I would gladly trade "full" art for more frequent and fulfilling updates. I just hope he includes some humor art in there too, some faces here and there, and sprinkles a little of combat art too.

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>>93209283
Poppy will never die!!! Who will take care of her psychopathic narcissistic homicidal father-son if she does?!

>>93209612
Spend two years on a project Anon, you might get tried of it.

>>93214683
>I mean, look at the EXTREMELY passive-aggressive shit on his tumblr.

You are so weak inside. Morbi is basically a ball of cotton compared to some Tumblr artists.

>>93219261
>spend two years doing a job anon, you might get tired of it
bet you 50 grands you won't ever get tired of eating and breathing

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>>93219228
I think a illustrative writing style would be pretty great as well.


Without having to worry about making 5-8 panels for each page he can spend all that time on one or a few panels. Just the panels that are the most important. He's still gonna be giving us great character designs and there's no reason why he wouldn't include some humor or wacky faces in the art he includes.

Honestly I was kinda hoping he would do this when he last talked about this.

I love Poppy. I love the story, the worldbuilding, and most of all, the characters. I don't need a few hundred panels each chapter. I just want to see what happens to the characters that I love.

Also I would take anything if it means speeding up the story because if we're less than 25% of the way done I would be 40 by the time Poppy ends.

>>93219996
I really like Morbi's art but I understand if it's too much work given that he has so much story he wants to tell.

And he's not a bad writer either, fortunately.

>>93218591
But Beastars is confusing and ugly plus the characters aren't sympathetic. It's not an interesting read.

>>93212105

>Character gets invisibility cloak
>updates stop soon after

Like pottery

>>93209283
Looks like he needs to hire someone else to draw it for him. Or take off some of the load. Like an intern.

>>93212299
It sounds like either you have to raise more money with Poppy or hire someone willing to work for free for a while. Although that kind of person will either be unskilled or not exclusive, as they have to make time to earn a living aside from Poppy.

>>93212422
Plan a single story, like 30-page or so. Do that. After you're finished figure out if you want to continue.

>>93209283
Are there any illustrated-web-novels that people actually read?

I'm glad I gave up checking out anything until its finished after Homosuck.

>>93210649
that's mentally ill people for you

>>93220973
Are there any novels that people actually read?

>>93221068
Enough to keep publishers afloat, to be sure.

Thing is, I know where to go to find webcomic readers, and I know where to go to find novel readers, but I don't remember ever finding some community devoted to hybrids. Is there one?

>>93209283
Couldn't he just hire an artist?

>>93212781
>>93213013
Didn't Morbi get someone to do the coloring for Poppy?

>>93219288
Oh, it doesn't hurt my feelings or whatever, it was just annoying to read, which is why I quit reading his tumblr.

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>>93209283
>it's another goes back on his word episode
>this episode hes pretending hes not gonna leave to draw furry smut instead of something different
Why didn't no one tell me about this ride had in store years ago?

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>>93221663
Webcomics are hard sometimes.

>>93209612
hiimdaisy already lost interest when he burned all his old MSG stuff. Fuck him too.

>>93218952
>or he'll get bitter
I've known kaz for awhile and I don't think he actually has a bitter bone in his body.

I think he learned a few things about what created this hiatus and I think updates will flow smoother after this minigame he's been hung up gets done.

>>93222182
>he

>>93220046
>Confusing
>Ugly
>Not Sympathetic

So it's the exact same as Poppy?

>>93222670
Maybe it doesn't have enough lesbians.

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Morbi had this to say in the Something Awful forums.

>If I go the web novel approach, I'm going to try and balance it out with as much visual feedback as I can, because I know exactly how it jarring feels to go from "webcomic" to "pure text descriptions" myself. People inherently like knowing what their mental image of a situation should be.
At the very least, every character introduction and location change would be accompanied by an illustration, and action scenes will be more or less storyboarded, maybe even as entire full-comic pages inserted within the text.

The more he talks about it, the more I'm in favor of the webcomic/novel hybrid approach. If we keep getting cute characters and action scenes then we're still getting IMO what most of us like about Poppy anyway.

Won't get as many reaction pics though, but I can live without 50 new Kit filename puns.

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>>93223092
The second paragraph was also what he said. Fucked up the greentext.

>>93209283
Hmm if it does end now, I'm curious as to how it would be left.

A rushed end that would feel like the end of gravity falls x 100?
Or an open end of it never being continued like the 00s D&D comic that was beloved.

>>93223564
It won't end - it'll go to a mostly text version
Like the winter story

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>>93223564
Morbi isn't saying that he is going to end the comic. He's saying that he might change the format of the comic from a 5-8 panel per page comic series to essentially a illustrated storybook type of deal, with illustrations for new characters, pivitol moments, and fight scenes.

Imagine the Magical Death Winter story, but maybe with a few more illustrations added in due to not doing the comic at the same time.

>>93223092
I wonder what the update schedule for something like that would be?

>>93211983
>a boring romance that was dominating the plot
Any time romance becomes the main focus of a story, you know it's gonna turn to shit soon after because most artist havent' had a healthy relationship in their lives.

>>93223726
For quick updates, a two week hiatus, and then a nuking of everything due to "death threats".

>>93223092
It will never be the same thing. Like, when the Penny Arcade people made Precipice of Darkness. After years of being unable to make part three and part four, they started just posting a novel on their website that they updated regularly. But nobody read it. It wasn't what people wanted. They eventually signed a deal to make the other two video games.

If Morbi does go with the novel approach, is he going to pad it out unnecessarily? The story in the comics doesn't need descriptives. It's just the characters talking. If you go the novel route, you have to deal with so much flavor text describing the room, what the characters are looking at and what they're wearing. Shit like that. It gets tedious. There's a reason comics are comics. If DC and Marvel just suddenly started writing novels, they would sale even worse then they already do.

>>93223910
I remember trying to read Baughb the Elf some time ago. At some point it switched from a strip to a novel and it just plainly didn't work.

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>>93223726
I think a once a week or maybe even a X times per month update schedule could work.

With this type of format, each update could be a different beast to handle so to speak. One update could maybe have a location establishing shot with maybe a character pic and a panel or two of what's happening in the plot while another might be a full on action scene set while Canopy is set on fire by the Specter.

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>>93223992
Just as long as Morbi doesn't become a Diaz.

>>93224055
The fact that Morbi has the character to use per update instead of per month on Patreon shows he's not going down Diaz's route

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>>93224084
True. Always liked that about him.

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>>93223092
I wish he'd have dumped that info on us in the text below the comic or in this thread.

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>>93224201
A lot of that info is in the comic post he made, with the exception of the action scenes possibly being a full comic page inserted in the text, though I could easily see him thinking of this after he posted and came up with that idea.

>>93209283
oh, so they're at least planning on finishing it. I don't mind, I guess. It'd suck balls if it just died off without a conclusion like what happened to the original Nuzlocke comic.

I hope Morbi's not underestimating how different prose writing is from comic writing. There are lots of writers who go "pssh I just need an art slave and I can make a comic easy", it'd be bad to see Morbi make the opposite mistake. He doesn't strike me as a guy who reads novels or short stories much, compared to how much he consumes comics/cartoons/anime/etc, so he might not have a handle on how text-based stories need a different approach.

Like, there are things you can do in a comic that won't work in writing (at least not the same way), and things you can do in writing that can't be done the same way in comics. That was something I noticed in his snow thanks story, that he was sort of assuming a certain complex visual image would remain in the reader's mind, which it would have in a comic with the constant reinforcement from the images, but didn't in text.

And there are different, like, presentation traditions? Like in a comic you can have any character at any point have a thought bubble to show what they're thinking and that's fine, but in writing you can't really do that. Either you're in a sort of first-person perspective, or third-person-narration perspective, where you follow one character at a time and can see only their internal monologue and feelings (maybe switching with scenes or chapters), or you're in a pure third person perspective and can't see anyone's.

I'm just not sure Morbi's not underestimating writing compared to comic-making. Like, even in terms of work and focus. I've done comics and I've done writing, and I've had motivation/focus/procrastination problems with both, and neither one is really an improvement over the other in terms of how easy it is to be productive. Personally, I even find art more fun and easier to sustain than writing, because there's more variety in tasks to be done.

>>93224392
Writing is actually something I had a lot more experience doing growing up compared to comic-making, and I do, in fact, read a lot of stories.
I intended for Snow Thanks to have more "establishing shot" illustrations than it did, but I didn't quite have time while juggling the comic updates, so there were a few rough patches. If I switch over to doing this format full time, I plan to run the first draft of each update by a few confidants and ask them if there was anything they had trouble visualizing, and then use that feedback to determine where I may need to insert extra illustrations.

>>93211436
Have you considered an illustrated novel style, where you have one picture followed by a block of text? I'm sure there's better examples, but something like the Captain Underpants books? It would let you show off character designs and expressions without requiring you to draw every single thing.

>>93224856

That's reassuring. Have you read Erfworld? It's probably not your sort of thing, but it's relevant to this situation in that it was made by a writers/artist combo with the original artist eventually having to leave, and the new artists not being able to put out the same amount, so it switched to mostly prose with illustrations and occasional comic pages, like you seem to be proposing to do.

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>>93224856
>I plan to run the first draft of each update by a few confidants and ask them if there was anything they had trouble visualizing, and then use that feedback to determine where I may need to insert extra illustrations.

"Poppy began walking home to the palace, passing by a trio of wolves with the biggest goddamn titties she had ever seen."

>>93224392
>that he was sort of assuming a certain complex visual image would remain in the reader's mind
I might just be some sort of freak when it comes to internal visualization but I had no problems with any part of the snow thanks story. I even thought it was one of the story's strong points.

Sad. I really liked his art. But I'll be okay. Ashley Cope and Tom Siddell ain't no quitters.

Well, Ashley isn't. Not sure about Tom.

>>93223986
Elflife guy was fucked in the head. He honestly seemed to believe that readers would be upset with him for drawing the story out, literally and figuratively.

For fuck sake 4chan

You fucking cunts

I loved this shit

Fuck all you normie faggots

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>>93225763
Here's a smug tranny for your troubles

>>93219992
eating and breathing aren't jobs

>>93225763
The work ethic thing is probably our fault but I sincerely doubt 4chan is the source of the death threats.

Um guy, do we have any story about human or anon in Poppy O'possum's world?

I can't find any DAMM THING on desu and pastebin.

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>>93213013
How much money do you think Morbi makes from Poppy?

>>93227239
Nope, I don't think so. Humans are pretty gay.

oh no, what ever will we do without our daily dose of furry sjw propaganda

>>>/trash/

>>93227239
No. Compared to other web series Poppy is a rather small one in terms of fanbase. Hell the only fanfictions that I've seen involving Poppy are that gay Friedrich one and the ones made by that guy who did the MaryxHallia and PoppyxKit ones.

Also regular non Poppyverse humans would succumb to magic radiation.

Also Anon in the setting fics are shit tier fanfiction.

>>93227326
>Humans are pretty gay
i didn't know morons still used the "gay" phrase?

>>93227343
>gay Friedrich
Don't remind me that fucking pastebin. I though Friedrich was R63

>>93227415
What are you, a fag?

>>93227343
I just know that the author was a fucking lolicon..

>>93209612
>how DARE he not prioritize giving me free comics over his personal life!?! Passive-aggressive cunt!!
You could call him lazy at worst. Not catering to the audience's isn't aggression, it's indifference. Do you take hot girls not handing out free blowjobs to you a personal insult as well?

What is it with all these autists I've been seeing here lately with this massive unwarranted sense of entitlement?

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>>93225763
Poppy isn't going anywhere, just likely changing formats (which will still have illustrations).

The work ethic thing and death threats are pretty shitty for some people to do.

>>93227593
I wasn't calling his unwillingness to continue working on the comic passive-aggression. I was referring to his passive-aggressive behavior. Are you seriously creating an argument to shove in my mouth so you can argue against it?

>Death threats

Okay, /co/, which one of you got analravaged by the O'Possum and sent death threats?

>>93227648
Must be /b/

>>93227648
probably giraffefag

>>93227648
There was this deranged autist who did crazy shit like doxxing and constant shitposting and threats and shit.

>>93227648
barneyfag

>internet death threats
Whenever you need justification, sympathy, and support, always pull the internet death threat card.

>>93227868
It's legit though, someone with a serious bone to pick leaked his personal info in one of the threads a while back.

>Making a comic with plans to have it be somewhat as long as wan piss
>Making your FIRST comic with plans like this
Why do people constantly try to plan for something big with little experience in something like this. Here's to hoping he just says fuck it and decides to make a poppy xxx'possum comic instead

>>93227868
I once actually looked into whether there was a single case of someone being attacked by a stranger who'd issued death threats to them over the internet and I couldn't find any. I found lots and lots of stories, though, of people being arrested and sentenced for making such threats, which says to me that in such a situation, it's actually the threatener who's statistically in more danger.

(If anyone CAN find an example, please do let me know so I can get my understanding right.)

>>93227898
Shit is too far man. I don't care for Morbi, I think he's a passive aggressive hack who can't write or draw very well, but there's no excuse to pull that kind of shit.

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>>93227945
I think regardless of someone carrying out their threat, having someone send you a death threat, even if you know the chances of your life being in danger is incredibly slim, is still a very shitty situation to be in.

You should be able to draw your characters kiss without someone threatening you.

>>93212422
It's a matter of committment, anon. I make a living off of my webcomic and I love it. Are there days I don't wanna draw? Absolutely. Are there days I absolutely dread having to sit down and do a page? No doubt.

But I fucking do it anyway because I'm not a little bitch. It's my JOB. Any job, no matter how much you love it, is gonna feel like work some days. If you're an adult you'll power through it and appreciate the good things about it, especially if you've got a dream job.

Morbi's depressed we didn't 100% love his lesbo shipping.

>>93223666
Satanic Kit looks nice, but her proportions are completely off. She's supposed to have the body of a five year old.

>>93224856
Morbi, you're still living in Florida right?

If it's alright with you, DPSC will be glad to have you talk about your career thus far and webcomics and how that fits into a career. I know you don't really want to do comics, but a lot of students this year seem to be heading towards the Comic and Webcomic route and you might be able to help them out.

Don't know how comfortable you are with talking in front of other people though, even if it is through, say, Skype or something to a classroom-sized group of students.

>>93229313
He moved to Washington

>>93210649
>hate doing something
>but enjoy the products/results

That's basically life.

>>93229313
>Don't know how comfortable you are with talking in front of other people though
Really weird thing to say but I wonder what Morbi sounds like.

>>93229340
Ah, I see.

Forgot to mention that I meant coming back to or being on Skype to Ringling for a presentation, as that is where he went to school before starting Poppy, but yeah.

>>93229393
It's fine, best of luck anyway.

>>93229393
> Moves from East Gatorfuck to the demotivation capital of the US.
>/Co/ still surprised by the outcome.

>>93229393
Yo Morbi I'm not sure if you're still lurking this thread, but I have an unsolicited suggestion that won't fit in a tumblr message. Have you thought at all about a visual novel style approach instead of an illustrated novel approach? Something like that would limit art assets to basically backgrounds and whatever character portraits you'd want for dialogue while allowing the narration to take on a more novel-like style. You could add illustrations as necessary for action sequences or big scene-setting and even add a little motion to sprites/screens if you wanted. I know you're at least passingly familiar with Floraverse, which has done something similar a few times now.

Maybe that's not your jam but I feel like it would take the stress of full-page art off of you, give you reuseable assets, and still keep the audience constantly visually engaged even through long bouts of narration. I know of at least one VN dev tool, TyranoBuilder, that can export to HTML5 if you didn't want to fuck around with Flash or Java.

It's just a thought I had when trying to picture a transition from comic to novel. It seems like a decent compromise.

>>93209283
The moment it stops being a webcomic is when I drop it and lose interest in it. The comic part is a large part of why I like it.

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>>93231694
I don't think a visual novel approach would suit Morbi, nor would I feel like he would enjoy doing it.

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>>93209283
this is the best day of my life!

>>93233061
Not sure why someone would hold this much of a stake in some random webcomic artist but its your prerogative.

>>93222312
>fell for the "im waiting for some assets guys!!" meme
kek

Well this is disappointing. I thought I was gonna buy a "full Poppy visual novel" collection one day. I thought I was gonna be reading this comic for years to come.

Only a fraction of the viewers are going to follow onto a mostly text format. I guess that doesn't matter as long as Morbi's happy, and otherwise employed.

>>93209283
>inb4morbistarves
He will keep going just like Vero.

>>93231694
The visual novel is a laughably bad medium.

>>93209283
Damn

poor thing can't handle the pressure
> i didnt even wanted to do this anyway

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>>93212105
>we're about to hit the 2 year mark

>>93227555
Non-Friedrich author here, am I supposed to be a lolicon or something?

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>>93227555
Are you thinking of the MaryXLily thing that was mentioned months ago? That thing hasn't even passed the conceptual stages. I thought people forgot about it.

>>93222312
>and I think updates will flow smoother after this minigame he's been hung up gets done
I think it's a lot more likely that he'll try another "experiment" and get stuck on hiatus again for at least 6 months.

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>>93209283
Meh. It's nothing compared to the sudden lack of Rosianna in my life.

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why do story driven webcomics always drag out the plot, especially if they are disinterested in comic making?
make a preplaned story arc or arcs and then follow through with it, stop with this naruto stuff where the adventure never ends and they drop an arc before it finishes to start a new arc.

>>93212006
This.

>>93241890
Poppy is (purportedly) a pre-planned story, though. Morbi's just tired of following it, which probably isn't helped by the fact that we're barely at the quarter point of the planned stuff.

>>93223092
>in the Something Awful forums.
Somehow, I'm not surprised.

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>>93218252
Don't suck his dick too hard or it'll end up worse than his work ethic.

>>93213904
But anon, Morbi IS the tumblrina!

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>>93219288
>You are so weak inside.
The irony.

>>93210680
>I wouldn't mind the workload, sharing my stories with eager people ready to listen and read

Don't forget the wonderful upside of the other 80% of "people" who shit on you every day & fill your inbox with hate mail & death threats. Not like that would wear you down or anything. It's like having all of /pol/ pissed off at you and making it their personal reason for living to tell you how much you suck every day.

Maybe you'd thrive on that. I've seen a number of webcomics broken by it. Was involved with one trying to help keep the site running and generally try to filter that shit, just as a fan volunteering my time to support the artist. It's really beyond belief the daily sewage that hate-filled, entitled losers without any life pour onto artists to fil the empty void where their souls are supposed to be.

>>93211503
>You fuckers will never be free from my curse.

Bring it.

And, thank you.

>>93227593
>What is it with all these autists I've been seeing here lately with this massive unwarranted sense of entitlement?

They're furfags.

>>93243046
This x100
I'm just a jack off who draws porn ocassionally but people still find ways to hate my guts because i draw shit they don't like.

It's explicitly worse with webcomics, because people who read it frantically want things to go a certain way and when they don't they lose their minds. It's a much deeper kind of investment for people.

>Writing is his passion, but he's even worse at it than he is at drawing and hasn't practiced with it nearly as much.
>Comic is burning him out, so instead of letting go of his complex plans and making something more freeform, spontaneous, and gratifying he gives up on the comic format.

I think this guy is just attracted to poor choices.

>>93245430
Well he WANTS to tell this story. He even said that it would be finished at least for him.

>>93241952
That explains a lot. For him, the "fun" part (conceptualization and detail writing) is over and now it's all down to the drudgery.

I'm curious what part of drawing is hardest for him. I for one wouldn't be adverse to seeing it go black and white. It's easier to go back and color something (or have it colored) after the fact than it is to re-draw it completely it from scratch.

Morbi if you're still here: can you say something about the profitability of non porn webcomics, admitting that even a sizable part of the Poppy fandom latched on it beacuse of various fetishes (be honest)?

>>93247422
So people were right about the lamp being affected by Little Birdy, just never imagined it was the light itself what was "touched" by Chicadino. It would be an impressive surprise if it wasn't such bullshit. If Chicadino can sign energy then it's ridiculously broken both ways. The only way for this to make sense is that he can totally control his power and just make things stop being "his", which goes against everything we knew about Lucky Stars. Or if Morbi just worded everything carefully to hide how it really works then no wonder he can't advance the story if he wastes so much time making things so complicated for the sake of being unpredictable.

>>93247422
>Chicadino doesn't want to pick a fight with a monster
>picks a fight with an intelligence agency that is headed by what amounts to a god instead

>>93210445

Because generally folks like this don't actually want to have a regular job and the regular paycheck, while nice, isn't enough of a lure to actually hold them.

It's more surprising that people expect artists to just suddenly stop being freespirited lazy assholes just because someone likes their stuff.

>>93248072
It's down to predictability
He's probably spent a lot of time planning this.

>>93245430
You can't just change your story half way. Its still something he wants to tell, and I'd personally still like to see it to its conclusion despite preferring a comic format.

>>93247422
>cute nude Kit
This is why at least some drawing is needed.

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>>93241966
Lots of webcomic artists post on Batman's Shameful Secret. They're even more sensitive over there than on /co/ if you can believe it.

>Josh Lesnick's freakout over goons shitting on Moon over June
>all of the saltiness when Kazerad first started advertising his comic over there
>Tiny Kitten Teeth guy being unable to take any criticism
>SJWs bitching about anything female characters that don't conform to their standards

and so on

I think the only decent human being that would post there was the Fanboys dude.

>>93213444

Check out Erfworld.

That's how that webcomic works, and I actually really really like it.

Hell, I would argue that's how Homestuck worked as well.

>>93224856
You probably won't read this, but how about making illustrations for / updating the Snow Thanks story to give us a good idea of what writing-Poppy would look like?

>>93229393
As someone who lives there, color me shocked you can afford to live in the city.

>>93248205
I'm more worried about Mary not translating well to text.

>>93221112

There aren't dedicated communities that I'm aware of, but there are a number of well supported series that use the format.

>>93247422
>He touched all power in the city

That's just stupid.

>>93248082
>It's more surprising that people expect artists to just suddenly stop being freespirited lazy assholes
Unless you inherit a fuckhuge amount of money, everyone has to grow up eventually.

>>93248465

Most of the Let's Play forum is pretty good too, honestly. I still haunt that forum pretty frequently.

>>93248728

How many man-children do you know? You never HAVE to grow up, even if people expect it of you and many, many people don't.

>>93248082
I draw a comic while having a full time job.

>>93248136
>You can't just change your story half way.
Tell that to Charles Sickens.
Besides, it's really not that bad to change the execution of your story. The idea that it's set in stone is a cancer that eats away at the potential of a serial storyteller.

>>93248810
>Besides, it's really not that bad to change the execution of your story. The idea that it's set in stone is a cancer that eats away at the potential of a serial storyteller.
Can you show me an example of some series changing format halfway through and still being good?

>>93248775

Congratuations, you have a hobby.

You're not the type of people I'm talking about.

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>>93227593
>how DARE he not prioritize giving me free comics over his personal life!
Free comics?

Nigger, do you not understand what Patreon is?

I can't wait until Paymetons folds over so that you faggot "artists" start appreciating your fanbase.

>Do you take hot girls not handing out free blowjobs to you a personal insult as well?

It's more akin to paying a prostitute for a BJ a week, only they sometimes decide not to give you one because they're PMSing, and later on decide phone-sex is good enough for the same price you've been paying for years.

>>93248848
They are talking about the story itself, not the format. Morbi doesn't want to change anything from his "plan" instead of adapting to the currents format's constraints or the execution of what he has done already. This is why it always will fail even if keeps changing formats.

>>93248872
I get paid for it.
I wouldn't call that a hobby.

>>93248948

It's not your primary way of trying to feed yourself, it's a hobby.

I do woodwork for fun and sell it on Etsy. It's still a hobby.

>>93248725
This. Also, if Mobi keeps using Poppy's "dark and troubled past" for dramatic reveals it will have no impact later on.

>>93248916
Is poppy behind a paywall now?

>>93248916
Not the guy you are replying to, but in all fairness the comic site is free. Sure, I think his patreon supporters are getting shafted, but it is available free.

On the other hand, I agree that many artists don't appreciate the people that pay their bills and keep them from having to work a regular job like everyone else. Hell, before the internet and patreon made this possible artists had three choices. 1, they work for a Corporation. They have very little creative control if any, they draw what they are told if they want to keep working. 2, they work off of commission, drawing whatever they are hired to draw. They have a bit more control over what jobs they take, but they still need to deliver what the customer wants if they want to keep working. 3, they draw whatever they want as a hobby, and work a real job to support themselves. Now they can do option 3 without working a real job, and want to complain because "wahh, all these entitled people want something from me". Speaking of entitlement...

>>93249020
A few lore blurbs are, I think, but the comic itself is still just on the old site.

>>93248848
Not format, but pacing and priorities. If it's dragging for Morbi AND the readers, he'd be better off trying to fix the slog than changing his entire structure of output.

A good example is Grant Morrison's Animal Man. The first four issues are a single long form story. It's slow, plodding and not terribly interesting. Grant then wrote The Coyote Gospel, a one-and-done that accomplished the same ideas but more efficiently; people loved it. From that point on, Grant wrote one shots and self-contained 24 pagers that bled into the next issue. While a few "arcs" of Animal Man were longer than the initial four issues, Grant's new approach kept things punchy and allowed any one issue to be read and appreciated in isolation but grow in meaning when taken as part of a whole.

Morbi's solution to the comic dragging its ass is to dump prose at us instead of reformatting.

>>93227648
I'll blame that one guy spamming his Freddy slash fiction.

>>93248967
Fair enough.
I'd like to make it my primary income and might be able to in the future, but right now that isn't responsible

If Morbi does switch to a novel, even with illustrated setups, you know it would no longer technically qualify as /co/, right? It wouldn't be a comic or a cartoon. It would be a book.

>>93249113
Captain Underpants is /co/, I don't see how this would be different.

to be pretty fucking fair
writing is a hell of alot more fun

you're drawing with words instead of lines and it's alot of painful practice to draw with lines, and then you have to color

writing goes straight to the point

>>93249152
People don't value how much you need to practice to write worth a shit. If you actually agonize over your writing, it's just as much of a bitch as drawing, if not moreso.

>>93249152
>writing is a hell of alot more fun
only writers with no artistic talent think that way

>>93249202

Yes, hence why they are writers.

>>93249202
Now that's not fair.
Competent artists with poor writing skills also think this way.

>>93249202
It's generally only visual artists who think this way. As far as they're concerned, writing is the easy part and is just flavor on top of the visuals, which are the "real work." Then they wonder why people stop reading their comics after the storyline goes off the rails and chalk it up to fans just being idiots.

>>93209612
It's spelled Patreon, you dumb fuck.

>>93249318
This really. I still remember that one artist that stole pictures people had taken and was using them as backgrounds, and when confronted about it went on a rant about how photography wasn't really art since it didn't require any skill or effort to do, thus they didn't actually steal art from anyone. Yep.

>>93249343
>better nitpick spelling!
So you have absolutely no argument to anything I said? Good to know.

>>93249318
Let's be honest; when it comes to comics, very few people agonize over the writing. Independent creator, writer, editor, doesn't matter, very few people pour over the script, look for inconsistent syntax, read the draft back and forth, reorganize a bit, cut parts, re-draft, etc. Most of the time the penciller is the only one giving a shit about conveyance because they have to figure out the panel composition and angles. It's not fair to lump visual artists together like that when people who get paid to write and nothing else are just as lazy about it.

>>93249202
He says
In a comic thread
Are we pretending any sample of any top 10 comics doesn't have pages upon pages of writing? They sure don't get their reviews from the cover art.

>>93249196
You can carry shit art with good writing a long way. The same cannot be said if they switched places. That's why writing is fun, you get so much more bang for your effort.

Art really is the hard part, because you idiots will read almost anything that appeals to you.

All people who write comics need to do is come up with a story they want to tell and wrap it up in a mirror made of ink. They hold it up to you, the audience, and you see yourselves in the work. And you're entertained. The minor influence from the story is just the shape the mirror comes in.

It's the only explanation for why some comics go unread and others get overrepresentation in the sorts of people that read them.

>>93249572
You can't just lump everyone into the fandom pile. I'm picky.

>>93249474
>It's not fair to lump visual artists together like that
I've heard "I do all the real work, all the illustrators do is supply the pretty pictures" much less frequently than I've heard the reverse, at least when it comes to internet artists.

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>>93249074
>A good example is Grant Morrison's Animal Man
I wished it was required reading for anyone who wants to make a comic or any kind of story, specially character-driven ones.

>>93249636
Motherfucker you would be surprised.
I've seen both ends. It's not isolated, dumbassess exist everywhere.

>>93249318
> As far as they're concerned, writing is the easy part and is just flavor on top of the visuals, which are the "real work."

Prove that this isn't true.

There's a reason that visual mediums are more popular than literary ones. A lyrics video vs a music video in terms of views.

>>93249074
Grant Morrison also had professional editors and only handled one part out of the many that goes into creating a comic.

>>93249532
>Are we pretending any sample of any top 10 comics doesn't have pages upon pages of writing?

You mean pages of thumbnails. Because visuals matter more in a comic. Otherwise there's no reason to read it.

If someone where to adapt Moby Dick into a stick figure comic, you wouldn't read it.

>>93209283
i have been waiting for cheap thrills to update for fucking years miss me with this poppy o'possum slow schedule bullshit

>>93249722
>It's more popular so it's better
Come on anon, by your logic Man Of Steel is far better than any comic run Superman ever had since more people saw MoS than have read Superman.

>>93249722
For that comparison, take the semantic content out of the music video. You could use those constructed languages intended to show native speakers what their language sounds like to a foreign non-speaker. What would happen to such a video, if we could ignore views due to the novelty factor?

>>93249785
Yeah? So? He was also churning out 24 pages per month when independent creators are going above and beyond when they manage 12. He also changed a mini into an ongoing with a strong, planned arc in about two months. I'm not saying anyone can write as well as Grant, just that Animal Man is a good example of looking at your faults, assessing them, and improving your story long-term mid-serialization.

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>>93210445
>(see the Meek's author and her highly successful Patreon, which still doesn't make her not be a lazy-ass hack)
You can call the Meek author a lot of things, but not lazy. She had that long-ass hiatus, sure, but she wasn't sitting with her thumb up her ass the whole time - She was working. And now she updates two comics at once and is constantly working on freelance on top of that.
This probably makes me sound like a groupie, but I'm not actually a huge fan of either of her comics, and I'm just getting real fuckin tired of /co/'s whiny entitlement when they don't know how much fucking time and work it takes to make comics and shit. Are a lot of webcomic artists lazy? Yes. Are all of them that way? No.

>>93249971
And? You can write 24 pages of comic script in a day. That's not impressive, only the quality of the writing itself. The visual side of things often has to be handled by three or four different people because it's so intensive, and Morbi does all of it by himself on top of his own writing.

>>93249722
>There's a reason that visual mediums are more popular than literary ones
That's just you projecting. If anything, the only advantage visual mediums have is that it that you can't give a text a quick glance in the same way you do with a picture. A picture is more immediately interesting even if it's disappointing when you really look at it, while it takes you a lot more time and thought to sample a text. Visuals can't carry a story alone unless you really only want to look at pretty pictures. At that point, you don't really care about the story. So even if you manage to lure people with a pretty cover, they will drop it immediately when they realize it's not what it looked like.

And the lyrics video thing is a bad comparison because people only look for them if they -need- the lyrics, of course they get less hits. It's like comparing the amount of people who just eat pie to those who look for the recipe or even to those who actually cook the pie themselves. What a fucking stupid argument.

I knew this was coming when he was talking about wanting to become a doctor on twitter a week ago.

>Have a father who's a doctor and all other siblings are in the medical field as well.
>Art is pretty fun!
>Parents are supportive, send him off to well known Art College
>4 Years Later
>Yeeeeaaaahhh... You know that art stuff? That was really just a childish hobby. What I really wanted to do was be a doctor like you dad!

All this happens right before his birthday. Way to start on your midlife crisis early, Morbs.

>>93249572
>generalizing this badly
Your conclusion is kinda right but your reasoning behind it is pretty fucked up.

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>>93209612

>>93250169
But he is lazy about the artwork anyway.

>>93249532

Writing is like IT. It's a multiplier for other mediums. You can also do it all on its own, but it's a lot fucking harder and the money is not nearly as good unless you luck out.

>>93248465
>all of the saltiness when Kazerad first started advertising his comic over there
explain?

so happy I never read it, even once.

>>93250516
>anon said from his computer, on a website
Unless you live in a cave, IT owns all. Not a good example anon.

>>93250557

It does own all. It's also a loss center for most businesses, but it doesn't matter because they make everything else so much better at making money that it covers the difference.

That's what writing does. It takes something that it already good or even kinda shit, multiplies it, and make the two parts better than either on their own.

But that doesn't change the fact that writing is much harder to "make it" in, because it requires a much larger investment on the part of the consumer.

The thing is is that he could just go back to updating every two weeks if he wants more free time.

The only people who complained about it when he did that back in Fall and Winter 2016 were the people who were already harassing him about the comic in general.

>>93250308
I like how many of the replies that disagree don't even try to argue why.

>>93250538
Then what are you doing here? Do you go by burnt houses and tell the victims "So happy I never lived with you"?

>>93250639
Lotta angry artists in this thread.

>>93250598
>It's also a loss center for most businesses
I wish to hear more about this subject. Where do I subscribe to your newsletter?

>>93250599
>the comic has no issues it's just haterz
I wonder what it is to love something much to the point of being this delusional.

>>93250599
How many years would it take to tell the story?

>>93250675

Just talk to your accountants if you work in a business that doesn't specialize in IT services.

IT is almost always one of the major cost centers in any business, because IT doesn't produce billable services for those in non-IT fields. They instead support the information structure that allows those who DO perform billable services to do so more efficient.

IT provides the ability for sales people to organize leads better, to market easier, to do asynchronous communication easier, etc.

But that doesn't mean IT is making money. IT's budget will always be constrained by it's ability to help the other folks make the company money.

>>93250599
One of his gripes about the current comic style format is that the story he wants to tell is taking very long time to tell.

He knew that Poppy was going to last numerous years, however at the pace of the comic right now he isn't gonna get to the second part of the Poppy storyline until 2019.

The only way he could speed up this with a comic style format is if the art decreases in quality, and I don't think he wants to have any more black and white chapters or have the art appear more rushed.

With a illustrative novel style format he feels he could speed up the storytelling due to the less amount of artwork required, while also providing a quality product that doesn't require the art to degrade.

Morbi has the basic Poppy plot essentially layed out, probably chapter by chapter. He probably hated knowing he would be spending six months or so on a chapter.

>>93209612
>The guy was a hack from day one, the majority of people only liked this shit because muh shipping/lesbians/thicc, and the artwork was always crap.
I got interested by the potential it showed due to the world-building (I am the one who storytimed chapter one back then) but I'm aware that people like me are an exception at this point and that you're right about everything.

>>93250249
Not early enough if what he fears is that he will be the oldest med student in the classroom, which is silly because I have classmates that are more or less a decade older than me and nobody gives a shit.

>>93250744
I see, I always thought IT was viewed much like any other office supplies in those situations, rather than a separate department that just eats money. Interdasting, thanks for the info anon.

>>93250843
I think you are right. At the start I think a lot of people jumped on because of the potential and possible world-building. I like to think that after the dragon fight chapter most people knew better.

>>93250927

Nope, own department. Gotta track those numbers so they know when to axe someone.

>>93250537
I take an experimental approach to trying different things and seeing how well they work or how much people like them. This is construed as overly mercenary by some people. They see it as a path to soulless "designed by a boardroom"-style comics, I see it as a knowledgebase to help artists who want (or need) to make something successful.

They are respectably bold about giving criticism, but the impression I get is that a lot of their critics are uncomfortable with their very important opinions being reduced to a single data point. It's the blessing and the curse that comes from building a culture out of people who have more than ten dollars of disposable income.

>>93250927
That's because IT workers always charge the same even if most of the work is already done. Though to be fair, they earned from it going through the work of learning the difference between just needing to restart a computer to change a specific piece of hardware/software. Still, some of them are assholes about it.

>>93251078
UPDATE WHEN? We asked your opinion on Poppy back when you had time to spare. Get the fuck out of here.

>/co/ bullied another webcomic artists to stop a comic
WE DID IT BROS

>>93250537
Probably the gift card thing. Kaz was telling people that they didn't need to overspend on artists, that it was easy to find replacements for high demand ones by just looking in dA and the like. While cold, it still sounded reasonable until he made the mistake of finishing with a joke about how he once paid an artist with a $5 gift card for chilli (can't say for sure if wasn't just damage control later but he clarified that it was when a friend did him a favor when he was broke and to not feel completely bad he gave him at least something, even it was just to laugh about it later).

>>93251275
"We" did nothing and I'm not your bro.

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Honestly wouldn't it be easier to create a comic at your own pace and once you finish a chapter or even the whole thing just upload it at once or however you feel like it? Having a backlog is important. It would also allow for extra polish and consistency. Having a weekly schedule sort of leads to disappointment, rush, and burnout unless you're a savant workaholic convinced drawing your comic is the only thing that matters in life. People sometimes think they are but that usually leads people to overestimate themselves and severely undervalue the importance of working at your own pace and the need for social support, Even in forms like a rivalry or a challenge.

Disillusionment is the passion killer. Losing passion will kill all drive to draw.

>>93251595
>He thinks Morbi keeps to a weekly schedule
Morbi has literally never kept his schedule. He had a backlog when he first started and blew through that so fast it was impressive.

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>>93251595
Eric Schwartz was right again.

>>93251675
Yes that's my point.

>>93250249
My brother was almost disowned for wanting to be an artist instead of entering the family business and he didn't let it stop him one bit.

I think part of the reason Morbi is such a whiny cunt is that he has never truly suffered in his life. I bet he _literally_ cries over spilt milk.

Morbi would probably get over his "depression" if he was forced to live the life of anyone else and realized he doesn't have it that bad.

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>>93251793
>realizing you can do better in life than what people want you to do = being a crybaby

By that logic your brother is the whiniest bitch of all. How's the family business btw?

>>93251595

>Having a backlog is important. It would also allow for extra polish and consistency.

He's had backlogs. At one point, during his move from Florida to Washington, he said he had like eight pages ready to go. That backlog disappeared pretty quickly.

>>93251964
will we ever get a good plausible non-magical explanation for Poppy being omgstrong, or is that pretty much just a shonen type "work harder, get stronger like RPG game?"

>>93251956
He's a crybaby because he gets to have his cake and eat it yet that apparently that is depressing to him and that totally justifies being an asshole about everything.

And my family's business is none of your business.

>>93252047
That depends on your definition of "plausible," really. Poppy's muscles are unusually dense as a result of a quirk in her physiology.
Her heritage is involved, but not at all in the way you would probably expect.

>>93251964
>Neither of my siblings are in medicine, actually.

My apologies then. I mixed up parents with siblings apparently.

>I'm not an opossum and I won't drop dead at 30, I've still got things to learn and the time to do so.

Am I correct in assuming that you're wanting to return to school to pursue medicine then?

>>93252034
>He's had backlogs
Vaporware. Mere sketches that he probably didn't use much when actually doing the pages.

>>93252219
is your business being in other peoples business, then?
holy shit dude. leave the wishy washy cloud alone

>>93252288
You too, he doesn't need whiteknights. He is not even a woman.

>>93252254
someone fucked a dragon, didn't they?

>>93251322
It's a little different than that. I was telling an artist that it was viable to pay artists to help her, even if she was an artist with very little money herself. Artists greatly underprice themselves because basically nobody is paying them for work, and they desperately need any money at all. IIRC the guy who accepted a (more than 5 dollar) gift card as payment was at a point in his life when he was eating on $7 a week.

It's completely understandable that people could see that as taking advantage of some down-on-their-luck person, but I was in school at the time and it wasn't like I was going to be able to give him real money. The "you should pay artists even if they underprice themselves!" was later put much more tactfully in a tumblr post some artist wrote, at which point everyone agreed with it.

>>93251132
Working on it! I just wanted to come to SA's semi-defense here while you guys rail on it. Don't let me detract from a morbithread.

>>93252219
I haven't seen him cry about anything. He's lost interest. He just said I don't wanna do this because I don't enjoy it so It's gonna go differently. In fact he's saying for the sake of those who are invested he's going to try and continue it. Even though he could just say fuck you and never come back. Really the one crying here is you and everyone else blowing it up like Morbi is the bitch desu.

>>93252375
Morbi already said it's not magical bullshit and the only way fo that to happen is magical bullshit, don't be dumb.

>>93252316
>anyone that calls me out in my autism is a white knight!
kek,hope that family nepotism keeps our head above the water.

>>93252401
>I haven't seen him cry about anything
That's just plain wrong. He bitches about how sad and difficult everything is all the time. This thread is about a message where he does just that!

Why do you people even try to defend him? He obviously does not give a shit about anything "negative" I or anyone else says. You are more offended than he is.

>>93252504
>autism
>says the one who gets offended for someone else

>hope that family nepotism keeps our head above the water
?

>>93252316
Not yet.

>>93252385
You're a swell guy Kaz, you can crash on my couch any time. Just bring Chili's gift cards with you.

>>93252533
That's nice, but we both know you won't see it through to the end. What have you got planned for after you decide that the medical field isn't really your thing? I recommend music.

>>93252668
>I recommend music.
Has Morbi ever shown interest in that? If not, why would you recommend this out o the blue?

>>93252668
Oh, I'm thinking "racecar driver".

>>93252668
>I recommend music.
Music is a fucking terrible field to go into, and I say this as someone with a heavy interest in it. Generally pays like shit and it's not stable employment.

>>93252702
Because the music field is full of people who are likely to spend more time on the creation end of it(lyrics, music writing, etc) than actually playing in front of a crowd. Morbi seems to enjoy the setup more than the rest of it, so it would probably fit him.

>>93252770
>it's not stable employment.
And Morbi doesn't do stable output, it fits him perfectly.

>>93252533
Protip: I assume you like anatomy already but now try to pick up a book about biochemistry and embriology (current ones) too and try to finish all of them at the same time. If you like that, then you were born for (1st year) medicine.

>>93227945

>Threatening people over the internet can lead to terrible consequences

Oh if only those poor idiots could learn to not being fucking assholes.

>>93252529
hes not crying. he's saying its not something he wants to do. god forbid a nigga keeps people up to date on something people are invested in.

Also because people who bitch about shit like this are usually special little snowflakes in their own right. They perceive simple updates like this as being whiny and bitchy so they can feel better about how much tougher their little lives are and compare themselves to him like they're his better. You're just some random guy on an image board who can't get Morbi off his mind and has to feel better than him or like they know what he needs to be validated or some shit.

I dig Morbi. He does some shit I don't dig but it's his business. I can bitch and complain all I want too but I'm really not gonna be a fag about it. especially not about his personal feelings like I have any right to assume I know what he needs.

>>93252980
>people who bitch about shit like this are usually special little snowflakes in their own right
I just gave a honest, 3 sentence opinion. You people are the ones getting upset over it.

>can't get Morbi off his mind
I just wanted to read a comic.

>>93253088
I think now you're getting how it feels to have people bitch about your honest opinion on something. Maybe like how Morbi was writing his honest opinion on how he's feeling on the subject of continuing his comic. but boohoo quit being a bitch Morbi right? What a fucking crybaby.

>>93253154
This is not even close the first time he does it and of course he's gonna get called whiny if he is whiny.

>>93253154
>people are complaining about Morbi's opinion
I thought people were complaining about Morbi making it look like he had some big comic planned, only to decide he didn't actually like being an artist after opening a fucking patreon. Are you still trying to create arguments to argue against? Argue against what people are posting, not what you wish they were.

>>93253236
Sure. I'm also calling you out for whining about it.

>>93253333
Sure. And I'm calling you an idiot for it.

it works if I'm upfront about it

>>93253440
Not as good as your salt.

>>93253440
>whiteknights some guy
>calls other people polesmokers
So you do it out of delusion then?

>>93253478
you've got some rather gourmet tastes, queen

>>93253426
>>93253437
holy fuck this is exceptionally rich.
>>93253468
precisely this.

>>93253297
Honestly I'm just havin a giggle. There's really nothing to complain about to me except how bitchy anons are that people don't do what they like, which I'm also guilty of by proxy.
Also with patreon people can just stop updating it, and even if anon says Morbi should just do things and not write long whiny posts about why people would still bitch about him doing things.
When people get outed for their own hypocrisy their whole conversation collapses in on itself into stupidity and shitposting.

>>93253398
Wow you sure got me.

>>93253544
>holy fuck this is exceptionally rich
What do you meme by this?

>>93253426
>>93253437
><almost to the minute

>>93253614
That's impossible to pull off on /co/ unless you are using two computers and two routers (or a phone) and you have to set them up just for this to reply so quickly. Don't be stupid.

>>93253606
that you couldn't even be more obvious even if you tried.

next you'll say "what, you think I'm samefaggin', please elaborate on why you think that is" because you have to fucking assert it so bad instead of letting it slide.