Transformers Prime

>>93199481

>Takes itself so seriously it becomes incredibly boring
>CG animation restricts all action to brown deserts and any instances of cities are completely devoid of people to save costs; even the New York episode had to take place in a subway tunnel
>Item Collect plot line
>Decepticons are killed off so soon after being introduced that a villain roster is non existent beyond 3 or so characters

Not as dull as any of the anime shows, but certainly the most boring Western Transformers cartoon ever produced.

Not perfect but good.
It's hard for me to compare one TF series to another because largely they all have something different to offer, rarely do two TF shows have the same tone or themes, it's usually very different stylistically or thematically aside from the general theme of "good" vs "evil"

>>93199481
>Your thoughts on this show?
Honestly I think it was a decent show. Not without its problems but I definitely like it overall. I also seem to have a minority opinion that it improved after s1. S1 just had too many moments of characters acting out of character or going balls retarded in the last 5 minutes of an episode to maintain the status quo. The example I remember most being Arcee beating Megs, then going
>Optimus wouldn't want me to kill
And so they walk away leaving Megs totally imprisoned and at their mercy not even trying to bring him into their custody. Then like 2 episodes later she's campaigning to kill a comatose Megs.

>How does it compare to other TF cartoons?
Beast Wars is probably always gonna sit on top for me. But it's around a similar standing to the G1 animes and Animated for me.
Which /co/ might crucify me for.
Rescue Bots I like for what it is around a similar level, but I nee to get back to it to be sure. Not watched since s1 ended.
And it's above above USG1, newRiD, Unicron Trilogy, CarRobots and Beast Machines.

>>93199481
>CG animation restricts all action to brown deserts and any instances of cities are completely devoid of people to save costs; even the New York episode had to take place in a subway tunnel
This bothered me too. The show is, arguably, the best looking of them all, good CGI animation and character design, but the backgrounds and settings were all so dull.

>>93199481

My favourite Starscream and Ratchet were in this so....

>>93199481
The first season was decent and everything after was eh to awful. It took itself way too seriously.

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Those hooker pumps though...

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Writing has it's awkward moments but is fairly solid overall.
General blandness of backgrounds is somewhat upsetting and character animation and designs are great and kinda make recent RiD look like shit in comparison
>>93199899
The show's best girl.
Arcee ( and her hypnotically pretty eyes) and the spooder can't even compete.

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Pros:
>Animation and designs
>More 'mature' themes
>Less focus on human characters after s1
>Coked up on Dark Energon Megatron
>Stiletto-heel, scum of the universe, Starscream
>Morally questionable and vengeful Arcee

Cons:
>backgrounds and city devoid of people or life
>had to stick with status quo
>video-gamery plot of 'collect the artifacts'
>took itself TOO seriously at times

All in all I think It's one of the better shows. It has much better and consistent animation than previous cartoons + both Welker and Cullen reprising their roles as Megatron and Optimus. It isn't full of shitty fillers and human villains like TFA.

It had a promising first season. It had its flaws, but there was a lot of potential for later seasons.

unfortunately they never reached that potential. It mostly floundered around after the first season. It's a decent show but it's no Beast Wars

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>>93199899
Stupid sexy Starscream.

>>93199481
It's a good show, and excels in some areas (like having the best Megatron, Ultra Magnus, and Ratchet, and having some of the best TF fights we've ever seen), but the longer it went on the more some of its flaws became apparent.

One thing that started to bug me over time was how serious Optimus was all the time to the point that he went from feeling like an amazing leader to just a go-to solution. I always imagine Optimus being weary from war, but still having that small spark of vigor and charisma when he needs it. It sounds silly, but I loved that scene in the G1 cartoon when Optimus tries to play basketball in hopes of bonding with his human friends. The show needed some of that element.

There also were way too few characters introduced. We needed far more Transformers instead of countless episodes of the same ones hunting relics.

The finale was a great tie up to the show, but the movie completely undercut it for me.

But like I said, I loved how a lot of characters were handled, and the fight scenes were fantastic. I also did like the direction the show took with a lot of ideas, like Megatron not being satisfied with the war ending in any other way than him directly killing Optimus.

>>93199697
>Optimus wouldn't want me to kill

That was the absolute bane of the series. The writers flip flopped so hard on the morals of the Autobots. One minute Prime hesitates to kill Megatron, who is unarmed and almost dead, then the next Optimus goes for Megs like a serial killer when his back is turned.

I think it's that certain writers understand that they're in an actual war, and though the Autobots are all for compassion, they also know that there's a line in the sand, and other writers think the Autobots play by superhero rules, which makes zero sense since it's established that both sides have had massive body counts.

>>93199481
Bumblebee should have stayed dead

>>93200657
>I always imagine Optimus being weary from war, but still having that small spark of vigor and charisma when he needs
True, haven't thought about it before, that's a part of Optimus we didn't get from this one at all. G! always had this sort of, i guess warm fatherly feel to him.

boring, had no endgame and seemed to just wander all over the place, ugly color palette constantly set up interesting plot points that were subverted back to the status quo

The best western TF show was Animated.

my personal favorite is still Armadax even as objectively bad as it is. you can tell the writers were trying to do something special and were straining against the budget constraints

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It saddens me the figures are so well-articulated and designed, but has such shitty, or almost non-existent paint-jobs.

>>93199481
It had a lot of good moments but the sum of its parts was pretty drab. It all came together into a very bland stew and I wish that the writing was overall better

>>93201196
Welcome to the modern age of Transformers, technology gets better in some ways, paint is a god damn rarity

Although the super simple style of Transformations have taken precedent since then too

>tfw you can't like TF anymore because nothing else will have as good of a Starscream

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It had the most boring Shockwave, but he made up for it his fucking obsession with making robot dino dragons like holy shit even when they clearly weren't going to be loyal Decepticons he still did it the absolute fucking madman.

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>>93200736
G1 Optimus - quality dad, will call you sport and cook a good hamburger on Sundays
UT Optimus - A GI Joe PSA swiftly followed by a "I got RIPPED in 2 weeks thanks to a minicon here's how" ad
TFA Optimus - that jpg of a cat with a knife pointed at it
TFP Optimus - Spock armed with twenty laser guns and one copy of how to be a dad

>>93203652
Bay Optimus - Abusive dad who hits you because he loves you

>>93204080
I see Bay Optimus as like a dad who is so sick of dealing with his shit kids and shit friends

Kind of like a violent Hank Hill

>>93204080
>You win a sport game
>I'm so proud son. Come here, give me your face.
>Dad NO!

>>93199481
it had a character who was supposed to be a nurse and a mother but didn't have a giant fat ass

very poor

>>93200719
only time it was appropriate is when Jack does it given he's still a teenager who hasn't been through millenia of warfare and later it's implied he was wrong about that

>>93199752
Best Ratchet, best Starscream, best Arcee, best Soundwave, based Bulkhead, best Megatron, best humans.

And let's not forget Predaking.

>>93204354
>best humans.
not sure about that, while it does have Fowler, I'm not sure he makes up for everyone else

>>93204416
>Fowler
Ernie Goddamn Hudson, who deserves a fuckton more credit for everything he's been in

>Jack
Obligatory viewpoint character, obvious love interest for Arcee until the execs meddled, grows significantly over the course of the series and looks like he's gonna be a hell of a guy if he ever shows up again as an adult

>Miko
Starts out annoying, but gets great character moments with Bulkhead and starts to shine later on. Earns her place with the Wreckers.

>Glasses McGee
Somewhere on the spectrum, but manages to be cute and endearing without being annoying, mostly.

>>93204416
I'd say best adults and worst kids

>>93204354
>based bulkhead
the only good thing he did was ruin Knockout's paintjob. He pales in comparison to OG Bulkhead.

>>93204416
Nothing makes up for Miko.

>>93204540
>Earns her place with the Wreckers.
10/10 Would rage again.

>>93204273
>You decide to make a bad choice
>Tell dad
>Dad knows it'll ruin your life
>"Go ahead son"
>Choice ruins your life
>Dad lets it happen so you "can learn"

That was essentially Dark of the Moon.

>>93204552
>worst kids
Jack's honestly one of the better kids in the series

>>93199481
>Dropped plotlines everywhere
>One of the top 5 worst humans in the franchise (FUCK YOU MIKO!)
it was okay but the two above points keep it from being great

>>93204354
TFP's Megatron needs a lot more credit than he gets. He was easily the best mainstream version of Megs.
>Cunning and manipulative
>Completely certain his shit doesn't stink
>Rose from a lowly gladiator meant to die to a politician to the leader of a world sized army
>Physically wrecks everyone but Optimus, and when he can't used his skill and surroundings like a legit militant
>Dat Welker voice

He even got Starscream to get his ass back in line.

>>93204552
I love 'em both. They're very different Bulkheads, though.

>>93204581
I unironically liked her by the end.

>>93204686
You are goddamn right. Some of Welker's best work, too.

>>93204686
>>93204686
>TFP's Megatron needs a lot more credit than he gets. He was easily the best mainstream version of Megs.
It gets hard for me, I think Megs really has a lot of great depictions.
TFA, TFP and IDW Megs are all incredible. Also technically not the "same" Megatron in the way those are but Beast Wars Megs is amazing too.

Beast Wars
>best hammy over the top self aware villain who loves being a villain Megatron.
Animated
>best imposing final boss don't fucking mess with this guy Megatron
Prime
>best tenacious and brutal Megatron who just doesn't stop
IDW
>best I was fighting for something that really mattered and lost my way Megatron

>>93204686
Soundwave was under used but when he got a chance to shine he stomped bitches like it was nothing.
If the heroes didn't have plot Armor he'd killed about half the cast

>>93205109
>Beast Wars
>>best hammy over the top self aware villain who loves being a villain Megatron.
SHOW RUINED BY WASPINATOR AND FARTS
>Animated
>>best imposing final boss don't fucking mess with this guy Megatron
GOD I HATE THIS SHOW, THE ART STYLE MAKES IT FOR KIDS ONLY
>best imposing final boss don't fucking mess with this guy Megatron
>Prime
I WROTE BETTER FANFICTION
>IDW
>>best I was fighting for something that really mattered and lost my way Megatron
GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY

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>>93205290
>GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY
it's only gay if you make it gay.

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>>93205290
nice b8 m8 but you forgot just one thing IT'S ALL GAY NIGGA, THEY ALL GAY

>>93205717
As much as I like GI this remains so painful, I feel like fucking Rainbow Dash created it aside from the last couple panels, which probably would be made by Twilight Sparkle

>>93199481
wasted potential: the series

first season was the best, went downhill afterwards.

>>93204686
>>93204354
It really did have some of the best incarnations of the characters.

I forget. Did this Starscream actually end up being loyal to Megs?

>>93206877
Yes and it was a mistake.

>>93206877
Yes, only to get ditched anyway.
His suffering in TF:P sure is delicious.

>>93205287
He fit an entire show's worth of quality into a single line of dialogue.

Did you see the episode of RiD where he came back? Worth the whole rest of the show just for that.

>>93205109
David Kaye is a worthy Megatron, yeeees.

>>93206877
Yeah, he was genuinely upset when Megatron jobbed to Bumblebee.

>>93207257
Honestly as much as it was played as a redemption moment for Megatron, abandoning his followers was a dick move on Megs's part.

The prick left Soundwave in the Shadowzone.
Soundwave!

>>93207420
soundwave did return twice in the new rid to be fair

hes a strong independent mech who dont need no megs

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It was pretty fun. Not perfect, but it had some heart to it that the anime shows before were kind of lacking (though those did have their moments here and there).

I especially liked how Starscream in the end actually wised up and stopped trying to overthrow Megatron, becoming legitimately loyal to him rather than just going back to "I'll have my day!" as he usually did in these shows.

Will say that the third season should have been longer and they could have expanded the roster on both sides.

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>>93205290
THAT'S VERY INTERESTING, YOUR OPINION IS VERY INTERESTING

>>93207489
>I especially liked how Starscream in the end actually wised up and stopped trying to overthrow Megatron, becoming legitimately loyal to him rather than just going back to "I'll have my day!" as he usually did in these shows.
Honestly I thought it was a mistake, especially as it happened right after his biggest success. Felt like the writers didn't know where to go with it so they back peddled.

Part of Starscream's appeal is that he doesn't know when to give up, and it didn't help that they kept up Megatron's part of the sadomasochist dynamic so he became sort of pitiful.
It was weird, Prime!Starscream was probably the most accomplished of all the animated Starscream's and yet he was framed as the biggest joke.

>>93199697
>And so they walk away leaving Megs totally imprisoned and at their mercy not even trying to bring him into their custody. Then like 2 episodes later she's campaigning to kill a comatose Megs
That happened in the reverse order coma megs was early S1 the imprisoned megs is later in the season

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It's crap. It's a show with no consequences, relevancy, or tension.

>BULKHEAD MIGHT DIE! OR AT LEAST HE'LL NEVER FUNCTION THE SAME AGAIN! EVER!
>NAH I'M FUCKIN WITCHA, HE'S OK!

>UNICRON IS AT THE CENTER OF EARTH!
>eh, he's sleeping again, everything is ok, let's never speak of it again.

>THESE INSECTICONS ARE ULTRA POWERFUL! THE VEHICONS AND THEM HATE EACH OTHER AND THEY HAVE A RIVALRY
>I guess they weren't that strong and they get along now, guess.

>A FACTION OF HUMANS IS INCREASINGLY ACQUIRING CYBERTRONIAN TECHNOLOGY!
>lol let's kill em off before the opening credits.

>WHAT! A HUMAN-TRANSFORMER HYBRID!? WHAT WILL THIS MEAN!?
>Nothing cause he's written off by episode's end.

>THE AUTOBOTS HAVE THE STAR SABER, A LEGENDARY WEAPON THAT WILL TURN THE TIDES OF WAR! MEGATRON IS PISSING HIS PANTS!
>oh wait, Megatron can just graft a Prime arm on himself and make a weapon twice as powerful as said legendary weapon.

>DREADWING BETRAYED MEGATRON AND GAVE THE AUTOBOTS THE FORGE!? WHERE WILL HIS CHARACTER GO NOW?
>woops he's dead now

>OPTIMUS PRIME IS ABOUT TO DIE AND SMOKESCREEN IS DESTINED TO BE LEADER!?
>Prime's ok, u gais!

>What? The Decepticon ship is coming back to life? could it be? Is it transforming?
>Ok, it's offline again. Let's never mention this again.

Also, the characters and atmosphere are tremendously boring.

>>93207666
Yea, but it's been done to death for over 30 years with him. To have Starscream in at least one instance learn he can't win and is better off as the right/left hand of his master is at least something refreshing.

>>93207791
Yea, because everything else from the franchise has been expertly written.

Mate, it's a fucking franchise about robutts throwing down as cars and other vehicles. It's not exactly the height of masterpiece writing.

>>93207666
I thought it made somewhat sense. He was practically crawling on his knees back to Megatron and the latter let him return as his SIC on top of stopping Dreadwing from killing him. He was super grateful, and too much of a coward to start up shit again.

>>93207791
You're not wrong, but I also don't think that makes it a bad show either. Maybe I just am jaded when it comes to so called "action shows" but I never expect them to have any worthwhile story , I just love Prime cause I like some of the characters and was entertained enough to watch the whole series

I only started watching it because I want to bone the fuck out of June. It actually got really interesting, wobbled around for a bit in the later seasons, but went out on a high note.

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>>93208000
Trips of taste.

>those toned legs from hours of walking each nursing shift clad in fishnets

>>93207818
I guess it's because they didn't really do anything with it. I guess because he wasn't better off.

Megatron never changed his attitude towards him and Starscream's lot never got any better. Neither of them changed as characters, Starscream if anything lost his competency, and then there was a balance in the Megs and SS dynamic since Starscream wasn't instigating anything but was still getting treated like the old days.

And then Megs died, came back and was like "Sorry, I was wrong. Bye".
So as a result; Starscream comes off as being retrospectively mostly right in his attempts to subverse Megatron's rule and he might have been better off if he just kept those relics to himself. Which I don't think is what they where going for.

It's not a bad idea but it felt like they just wanted to return to the status quo, minus the treachery.

>>93207877
People has/had way too high expectations.. It was good for a TF cartoon, one of the best imo, but it's still fucking Transformers. Things going back to status quo is a stable of most western cartoons.

Yes there were many things the show could have done more of, such as killing off characters for real, exploring the grey morality of some of the autobots etc. but as an adult I recognize that these shows are made with kids in mind and CAN'T be everything I'd like it to be.

>>93208091
*an imbalance

>>93208091
They kind of did. He started listening to orders and doing his best to serve the Decepticon cause. And in the movie finale, he was ready to serve Megatron once more without any delay, showing that his loyalty hadn't faltered in the time since Megs had been dead.

At least it was something new, maybe there'll be another instance by someone with the freedom to really build on the concept. Let's not forget, all of the TF shows are largely meant to be episodic (even when they do have a seasonal plot device), so it is tricky for the writers to really do much when the main purpose of the entire franchise is to push toys.

JunexFowler felt a little off to me, a bit forced.
JunexOptimus was more entertaining.

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>>93203652
>TFA Optimus
>not the best Optimus

>>93208091
>Starscream if anything lost his competency
Underfueled bum Starscream showing off his best competency and then losing it after coming back was a bit weird.
At least he kept his cave PTSD.

>>93207877
>>93208101
>Things going back to status quo is a stable of most western cartoons.
Animated was a show without Status Quo

>>93204686
>Rose from a lowly gladiator meant to die to a politician to the leader of a world sized army
>>Physically wrecks everyone but Optimus, and when he can't used his skill and surroundings like a legit militant

>Those times when he'd use his gladitorial skills in the field
>That fight with the Insecticons
PrimeMegs was the hypest e

>>93208629
Except it kind of was for the most part. They fought a bad guy, won, and then fought another in the next episode. The only times things really changed was with the season finales where the big shit went down and game changing stuff happened. Like Sari being revealed to be a robot hybrid and Prowl dying.

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>>93199481

I'm an old Beast Wars-fag who constantly bemoans the popularity of the obviously inferior car-verse Michael Bay has now eternally cursed us with, and even *I* like this show.

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>>93208046
Hard to tell from that pic how well her legs are. But she probably did have a nice figure from her work and taking care of herself.

>>93207711
Ah right. I just remember it making an impact on me the fluctuating morals between those 2 moments and that they were in the same season.

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>>93208629
How so? It had run of the mill weekly villains, tons of filler and while each season and the show as a whole had an overarching plot, it was still mostly episodic. I didn't see it removing itself from the 'status quo' any more than Prime. It was getting real good just before it got cancelled though.

Also Sari was cute. Best human.

>>93209012
>she upgraded herself into a teen body
Funny how that never got used in lewds

>>93209012
This. Other than s3 Animated probably clung to status quo more than Prime does (though it has the benefit of not creating situations that should force it to change and then make the characters act dumb to maintain it). It actually stands out to me more because each episode ends stressing to me just how much the characters have learned their lesson from what they went through that week only to go back to doing the exact same thing the following episode.

>>93209012
TFA had the most tolerable humans of any TF show, easily.

although I suppose Sari doesn't really count

>>93209108
The kids in Prime weren't too bad. Miko was a tad annoying at first, but wound up maturing quite nicely in the end. Jack had a lot of potential, though it didn't get to really bloom in the end. Raff I'll admit was just kind of the human Ratchet, an egghead with not much else.

Certainly better than the generics seen in most of the anime shows.

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>>93208467
>thinking I thought he wasn't best Optimus
He's the sassiest classiest dadbot in the whole multiverse.

if it makes the meme context clearer I imagine Sentinel Prime holding the knife

>>93208208
And then Megs came back and nullified the whole cause which undermines what happened a bit.
Honestly I think it's a good example of why values like honour and loyalty don't particularly work well when applied to rather extreme and blatantly evil agenda's.

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>>93208467
>>93209437
Definitely my favorite of the Primes.

>>93209526
>And then Megs came back and nullified the whole cause which undermines what happened a bit.
Not sure what you mean. Did he return in RiD?

>>93209637
Predacons Rising.

Screamer did for RiD and he's back to attempted Megatron murder but now it's for vengeance instead of ambition. Though he did keep the latter on the side.

>>93209729
But that's what I mentioned, he was ready to rejoin with his master in the movie despite having plenty of time to have gone back to being the wannabe leader who wouldn't follow anyone ever again.

>>93208431
I'm sure JuneXFowler was pushed because early in the series after June finds out about the Autobots she goes to their base and when she finds out Optimus Prime is going to arrive and she says something like, "Optimus will be here? I better get prettied up!"

>>93210008
Wasn't that just a mom joke to annoy her son?

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>>93208969
Picture it in your head. She works long shifts at a job devoid of emotion, comes home late at night to a cold bed and sees her son less and less as he takes his own steps out into the world and spends more and more time with new people. She puts on her lingerie, the fabric creased from sitting in a drawer for months, and looks herself over in the mirror. 36, single, leggy, lonely, and horny. Cooped up at home trying to be a responsible mother, but craving for something hot and primal, something she hasn't felt in years. She knows she looks damn good, but can't quite bring herself to let go, even though she needs it so desperately. A ticking time bomb of sexual frustration and maturing hormones, packed into a 130 pound woman with calves to die for.

And then a few drinks with a coworker she has over for the 4th leads to blissful relief.

>>93209762
Except he's framed as being wrong for doing so. His loyalty to the cause (although if I'm honest I think they where aiming for sycophantism over loyalty) is presented as being wrong.
>gone back to being the wannabe leader who wouldn't follow anyone ever again
And then he went back to that.

I'm not saying that he didn't change in respect to his loyalty, but the context that it happened in didn't, which undermines the character development.

>>93210076
I guess what I'd argue is that he didn't develop as a character; he stayed Starscream but minus the treachery and added incompetence.

>>93210008
>"Where's Optimus? I wore heels and everything."
>"Mom!"

Best joke of the show N/A.

>>93210074
>coworker
>not OP or Ratchet
You almost had me anon

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>>93210172
Self-insert as the coworker, dingus. June's not gonna go out in a little black cocktail dress and pumps just looking for free dick, she's too restrained for that.

But she will get dolled up like a slut if that's what you like when it happens again, after her sex life gets woken up and she can't help but go for more.

Fuck, I'm tempted to write this out but I'm already writing for other threads.

JuneXanybot would be amazing. If you're going to have humans in your TF story, you might as well make them romance a bot

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>>93210172
>not OP or Ratchet
They are for pure, pure!.

>>93210352
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8682523/1/Optimus-and-June-2

This shit is so hard to find

>>93210076
It wasn't so much that he was being shown as wrong, but unable to see things the way Megs now did. Megatron originally believed in using might to control and crush the weak, and after being completely at the mercy of someone else, he realized how terrible he had been.

Meanwhile, Starscream still believed in the cause due to his loyalty. In a lot of ways, it backfired on him because he was so drawn into it, which makes for a pretty nice flaw when one member of a party is able to see the error of their ways while another is still blind to the reality of how things really are.

>>93209012
Having a villains of the week don't make tour show a Status Quo show

>>93209437
Why is he so fucking smug?

>>93210782
But that retrospectively implies Starscream should not have taken up loyalty to the cause in the first place.

Also Starscream was portrayed in a pretty negative light for most of that special. I don't think "sadly misguided" was what they where trying to evoke.

>>93210131
Eh not that anon, but I agree and I think that's a good thing. Why would he 'change' or develop a moral/consciousness when it's been established time and time again he has no morals and is less capable of empathy or honor than even Megatron?

The main characteristics of this, and most Starscreams, is that he's a sycophant and coward. He becomes loyal to Megatron because he realizes otherwise he'll be jobbed by either the Autobots or Decepticons, and being SIC is better than being dead. Not because he suddenly developed a sense of honor.

>>93211492
*conscience

>>93211360
Well that would apply to all of them really. But that's hardly a bad thing, it's rare in the TF series to even explore the fact that the Decepticons usually are in the wrong. Most of the time, both sides just fight and then the Cons lose a big fight and the Autobots win with nothing mentioned about either side's ideology.

Still, point is that they tried something different with Scream deciding it was better to just commit to the cause rather than play out the cycle of "Backstab, get wrecked, brood, repeat" like so many other incarnations.

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>>93210074
Certainly quite the scenario you have envisioned.

>>93211492
Change doesn't necessarily mean a moral change.
What if he'd bought that efficiency he had into Megatron's plans and actually became fully competent? That might have been interesting and a change of pace. Then when Megatron's abandonment of the cause would have had a double impact since now SS has actively invested in it.
There's just this inherent regression in him going back to his old ways but dropping the ambition. In a way he was still carrying out the same pattern, just failing at supporting Megatron rather than overthrowing him and he was even worse at the former.
It's unsatisfying.

> less capable of empathy or honor than even Megatron
I really don't remember that being established.
Heck even Starscream had one or two moments of "human" connection.

>>93212135
>There's just this inherent regression in him going back to his old ways but dropping the ambition.
Well to be fair, RiD was meant to stand as its own thing even though it is a sequel to Prime. If they had him evolving directly from Prime, viewers who never saw it would be completely at a loss. And given the show is on a whole other network, that just compounds the issue for those who would have to find wherever Prime is being aired (if it even is anymore, I haven't really bothered to see after the original finale).

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>>93210172
>Ratchet

>>93212270
>not picture: June coyly asking Ratchet if she'll be "punished" if she doesn't leave

>>93211492
>The main characteristics of this, and most Starscreams, is that he's a sycophant and coward
Is he actually a sycophant? I mean he'll put on the act but most incarnations openly criticise their Megatron. Prime!Strarscream is probably the one that comes closest.

On a side note, I'd say another and maybe the most important characteristic of Starscream is his determination/ambition. It's what sets him apart from most of his more cowardly, underhanded kind. He might be the king of failures but he probably tries more than most. It's what making him a dynamic character and one worth investing in.

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>>93199481
gave us one of the best versions of arcee

>>93207791
Wasn't the Cons ship supposed to be Tripticon?

>>93212398
>He might be the king of failures but he probably tries more than most.
That was something Prime Megs mentions in the episode where Starscream is "on trial" and being considered to be brought back into the fold. He mentions how he finds Starscream's tenacity and single-mindedness admirable, just lacking what it takes to really take control and be an actual leader.

>>93212398
>the most important characteristic of Starscream is his determination/ambition
Yeah. It's why G1 Scream stuck with people, he had something he clearly wanted and he wouldn't shut up about it.

Might be a coward, but none of the other cons would spew the shit he does at Megatron, which I guess is what makes PrimeScream smarter than the original.

>>93208684
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CG2PKbc1fLA

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>>93212552
Still wonder how the little bitch took control in the movie. He was always pretty weak in that incarnation (especially taken on directly and not able to pull a sneak attack), and somehow won the brawl on Astrotrain.

Only thing I can guess is they figured he'd die in the next skirmish, Galvatron just happened to save them the wait.

>>93212270
nice crop anon, you could almost fool someone into thinking it wasn't a sfw ratchetxjune doujin

>>93212708
>somehow won the brawl on Astrotrain.
The capabilities of the characters were all over the place in the movie. Suddenly every Decepticon was a fucking deadshot and managed to kill off a huge chunk of the main protagonist cast in the matter of a few minutes.

>>93212941
And yet Starscream still jobbed like he was always did, so it seems some things stayed the same.

>>93212546
I admit, I'd be interested in seeing a series where Starscream eventually accepts that he'll never lead the Decepticions and not just embraces being a rouge but actually starts getting real good at it.

>>93213433
That did seem to be what was going to happen in Prime before he lost any edge he had and decided to return to the fold in order to have some kind of business security.

Too bad they haven't explored him turning good again since Armada, or at least as far I've heard he's never become good after that one time.

>>93204686
You can tell they used Prime Megs as a big reference to designing TLK Megatron

>>93213588
>Too bad they haven't explored him turning good again since Armada
Maybe it's just a case of NOT MUH, but I never liked the idea of a redeemed or good Starscream.

>>93214072
At least they had it happen with a character arc that was pretty convincing. A lot of the time we have characters turning good for things about as stupid as someone going "Please, be nice!" and nothing else. Granted, the anime that followed Armada pretty much undid his redemption or something stupid like that, never saw it to the end.

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Unfortunately, Transformers will never be anything more than a Michael Bay orgasm of exploding shit.

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>>93199481
It's pretty good. Decent story, and the humans weren't always the focus, thankfully. I watch transformers for transformers not precious snowflakes.

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>>93214515
That's the best part though

>>93214072
Aye, I was thinking more of villainous character arcs where the the character slowly get's better at being a villain.

>>93207257
don't remind me

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>>93214582
Biggest fault of the show for me is they didn't add enough new characters, or hell, just some reinterpretations. The ones they did make were good. The Decepticons seriously needed some more non-drone members.

>>93215337
But that was a pretty awesome scene.

>>93212454
Can anyone more familiar with Transformers tell us of maybe a better Arcee?

>>93215404
Yeah. It was sort of sad.

>>93215401
Both sides needed more. I can get that CG is expensive, but you'd think with the parent toy company, they'd have the dosh to do more than something like Reboot which had no big company backing it.

>>93215516
Definitely didn't expect Bee to get revived like he did. I expected Prime to just go apeshit and beat down Megs and then execute him after another "Have mercy!" ruse.

>>93215404
Bumblebee appearing less than a minute after his (arguably pretty awesome) death, only to fuck Megatron, still makes my ass hurt.

Starscream going 'NO!' over Megatron being killed was good though.

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>>93215485
hayato sakamoto arcee maybe from the comics included in the japanese transformers

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How is that Prime characters have more fanarts and porn than Animated? Animated characters are more attractive and entertained. I don't get it.

>>93215622
Well it was longer when originally watching with the commercial break. And even then, there's only like 6 minutes left to the episode, they didn't exactly have time to waste.

>>93215820
I recall a lot of people weren't too fond of the Animated style. Some designs were cool, but others did tend to look too much like people in armor than robots.

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>tfw the movie Arcee had a good decide but had a minute of screentime before getting blown to bits

>>93215824
Should have stayed dead man. He could be revived in the movie if they really needed to, but leaving him dead would seriously have improved the finale. The death scene, the music, all of the characters reacting to it in fucking slow-mo, it could have left a real impact instead of just being a cheap 'sad' moment.

>>93215934
Didn't feel that cheap, it was shocking, then he recovers because nobody thought the cybermatter could fix him good as new. It's all heat of the moment stuff.

>>93216011
That's why it bothers me. The scene was good, it was shocking. I was surprised they had the balls, then immediately after it's revealed they didn't and the scene was wasted.

I can understand why they can't go around killing off main characters left and right, but this was the finale, the perfect moment to do it.

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>>93215820
>>93215850
Primebots got better asses.

>>93216106
I suppose, but all the same they had a legit reason for him to make the recovery. At least they didn't have him crawl back, take out Megs, and then just get rushed to sickbay because "Turns out, Megatron's aim was just a bit off." or something lame like that.

>>93216238
True, at least it was set up.

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>>93215820
>Animated characters are more attractive
Lol no, anon, no.

God does every /co/mrade have a hardon for Primescream?

>>93217020
To be fair, they probably got some inspiration for Scream's look from Animated. They pretty much have the same head.

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>>93217020
Anon, please. Animated Starscream was a real bot

>>93217067
Just the ones with shit taste

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>>93217067
Literally or figuratively?

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>>93217138
>They pretty much have the same head
You better take that back. AnimatedScream's head was manly as fuck. Just look at this chin

>>93212708
>>93212941
In some interview somewhere the creators of the movie say they always pictured Starscream sitting the fight out in the corner as best he could until one exhausted 'Con was left standing... and then shooting him with a null ray.

FUCK THIS BULLSHIT SHOW GOD DAMN IT DI SAT THROUGH SEASONS ENJOYING IT IMMENSELY ALL FOR IT TO BE RUINED THE SECOND MY MAIN BOT, SOUNDWAVE, WAS TRICKED AND DEFEATED BY THOSE FUCKING CHILDREN.

>>93217768
Sounds like Bitchscream. Still, you'd think once the others recovered they'd just gang up on him. Wouldn't surprise me if they were counting on him getting creamed in their next confrontation with the Autobots and then figuring who would lead afterwards.

>>93204686
The whole flashback with Megatron and Orion Pax was great. A shining moment of the series.

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>>93217505
Did someone CHIN?

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>>93217141
Wow youre a cunt.

>>93217991
Future decepticon

it was the best we had for quite some time, hope new beast wars doesn't suck

Bought the DVD. Saw the first few episodes. Got bored. Haven't picked it up since.

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>>93219603
>new beast wars

>>93219735
just a rumour

>>93212941

I mean, we know why (remove old toys to push the new), but it's also because of the higher age rating. Look at new Samurai Jack spearing bitches and shit. Things get deadly when you get the raise the age limit.

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>>93215820
TFA did have the better looking bots (except Ratchet maybe) but it came out in 2007, when the fandom's fresh meat was mainly kids freshly weaned off the movie. The big internet fujoshit fanart uprising wasn't due for another 2 years, and by that time TFA was just coming to a close.

TFP meanwhile came out at just the right time when the fandom had more artists and said fujoshits from 2009 were looking for fresh content. The rest is history and that's why we have fucktrucks of TFP to TFA content but TFA does have the advantage of having higher quality fanfiction since tumblrinas can't write for shit half the time.

>>93217020
>that's not Knockout

>>93217991
One day I'm going to fuckign die from Sentinel chin jokes

>>93219613
Kek

bunp

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>>93220331
Good taste.

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>>93217141
Please anon, half of it is the voice. SpongeScream just can't compete.

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>>93221744
I love how earthaboo he was.
Also his voice was so smooth and suave that even Japanese "Shocku-Shocku-Shockuweivu" dub didn't dare to ruin it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If6dONcs2yc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYOxHkHaZ4I

>>93217991
I miss him.

He was a candidate for my favorite Animated character. I don't like the typical "evil" Sentinel Prime we usually get

Animated Sentinel was a bit of a dick, but deep down, I feel like he was still a good guy

(they would have Flanderized him to fuck once he really got into Ultra Magnus' old job though)

>>93199481

I want to fuck the robot

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>>93222027
Why is Japanese Shockwave so angry?

>>93222078
Take a number, waiting room's over there -->

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>>93222027
Yeah, it was a nice little character quirk, and made more sense for him to defect later in the show because of it. (apart from being bullied by Megs)

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>>93222099
> Why is Japanese Shockwave so angry?
The entire jap dub is just one big why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPCQiuyWalA

>>93199522
It's better than the one that came after it. You know, the one focusing on Bumblebee, with the low framerate animation, cel-shading, cartoonish Decepticons aimed at 4 year olds and all those weird fucking animal Decepticons.

>>93204540
>obvious love interest for Arcee until the execs meddled
No, your fan-fiction and fetishes are not canon. You must accept this and move on. Not everything is about your dick and your fetishes.

>>93209012
>a human is best human because they are cute.
Your opinions mean nothing. Waifu-fags must be destroyed before they damage society any further.

>>93222289
>and all those weird fucking animal Decepticons.

They aren't all bad

Crazybolt is probably my favorite design for a Decepticon to come out of the new show

>>93222308
Nigga I only have husbandos and they are robots. Sari was still cute and best human. .

>>93222347
Just when I thought your taste couldn't get any shitter!

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>>93222375
But robots are made for sexual anon.

>>93215401

The Autobots roster was pretty samey, Smokescreen is probably the only Autobot in the series that's heavily different from past incarnations.

They needed a proper new original Autobot in that show the way Strongarm and Fixit were in RID.

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>>93222419

"Dig this, Your Honour. This faggot has thrown off the balance of taste in the universe! The concentration of shit taste is so dense in this thread it will implode into a shit-taste singularity, a black hole in which no good taste can escape."

>>93222308
Prime waifu/husbandofags are way worse. At least Animated characters were good

>>93222511
Also waifu/husbandu faggots are equally terrible. They are a blight which ruins everything.

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>>93222454
>mokescreen is probably the only Autobot in the series that's heavily different from past incarnations.

uhhh...
I'm pretty sure she's a drastic departure from a pink car. Her personality doesn't seem much like either the cartoon or Furman's tranny

>>93222525
How do you live on this board?

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>>93222502
I can't help the things Shockwave does to my kokoro.

>>93222289
>and all those weird fucking animal Decepticons.

>Character has tones of animals parts hanging off of it in robot mode.
>Animals legs, head, tail, sticking out in weird places.
>"Oh, so he's going to transform into a wolf/frog/elk etc."
>Character turns into a fucking truck or a tractor or something.

Fuck you, that's hilarious.

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>>93222454
>Smokescreen is probably the only Autobot in the series that's heavily different from past incarnations.
nigga wot u on, they all were different. Bulkhead went from big cuddle engineer to generic black man, Arcee went from different variations of cute gf to salty serious ex, Optimus went from dad leader to emotionally stunted step-dad, ratchet went from cranky medic to please end my suffering medic.

Bumblebee's the only one who didn't change they just looked at the baykino and went ok we want that one but more beep boops.

>>93222525
>waifu/husubando fags ruin everything
idk we're keeping the threads alive more than the fucks who argue about gay robots all day.

>>93222692
GOOD CHOICE GOOD CHOICE

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>>93222828
>idk we're keeping the threads alive more than the fucks who argue about gay robots all day.
But if there were no gay robots they wouldn't be arguing about gay robots, would they?

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>>93222828
>>93222692
All incarnations of Shockwave is best bot.

>>93222828
Man, Prime really fucked up Bulkhead's character.

>>93215850
I had to get used to both Animated and Prime's designs and choice of art styles. They grew on me, but initially I wasn't interested in either because I didn't like the more 'organic' approach to the robots.

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>>93222874
There's been a surprising amount of Shockwave posting lately.
I, for one, welcome our new/old roboob overlord

>>93222863
Impossible, there will always be gay robots

>>93222887
ikr? Even if they thought having a gentle giant was too soft for the show it would've been ok if we got a bulkhead that wanted to be an engineer but cant find the time or materials to train up properly. Having Ratchet job engineering and science just stresses the poor fuck out more.

>>93223043
I remember a time before gay robots actually.

Who was the better human villain?

Prometheus Black, or Silas?

>>93223134
Black.

>>93223176
How so?

>>93223134
I'd say Black because he had actual reasons to get pissy with the Autobots & Sumdac and try to reverse engineer/beat the shit out of them. That and he was an actual threat to them. Constantly being upstaged by Sumdac lead to rivalry lead to technophobia and a Napoleon complex lead to bad decisions lead to getting fucked over lead to meltdown led to lets fuck over the robot fucks who stole my future riches fame.

Silas was a /k/ommando who wanted bigger guns and didn't care how he got them or who got hurt. He lucked onto the Transformers by chance and when he became a robot fucker like us it was only because of the big guns involved. The threat was less him and more the organisation he worked for which somehow disappeared when he punched up one single lab because fuck plot threads amirite?.

>>93223770
So....all Starscream designs are shit, just for different reasons?

Is that what I take away from this?

>>93223813
Original Starscream is best Starscream

>>93223061
You must have lived in a bubble then because people were drawing fanart and writing stories of gay robots since G1 because I was there and have seen and read it.

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>>93223846
>>93223813
All Starscreams is best worst bot,

>>93222263
WHAT?
WHAT THE FUCK?

>>93223846
Will we ever get a raspy teenage Starscream again?