Detective Comics #958 Storytime

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Hey Chuck.

I'm not sure how I feel about this continuity's Azrael. He seems so... unnecessary now.

Give him a solo by O'Neil if you're going to revive him. We already have Luke Fox as a tech knight, and nobody can even be invested in him. And somehow Knightfall must've happened without AzBats in the current timeline, so what use is he?

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<3

>>93196496
>>93196504
I'm officially over the Cass/Steph friendship. Clayface is the BFF Cass deserves.

>>93196496
>>93196504
Clayface remains the best part of this book.

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Deunitnoc Eb To!

>>93196478
Batwoman doesn't eat nachos!

>>93196485
This an established character I am not familiar with or some new character?

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Action Comics: >>93196575
Injustice: >>93180877

>>93196580
He's supposedly from the 90's Azrael series.

So when does the bitching start?

/co/ hates Tynion even more than King and Snyder.

>>93196603
I'm not on the Tynion hate train, but I thought this was fine. I'm not super invested in the main plot, but I enjoyed the character interactions.

>>93196569
I can't believe no one in editorial caught that fuck-up.

>>93196496
>>93196504
Basil and Cass doing stuff like this together is CUTE!!!

>>93196544
>Killer Moth
>Not a threat
Mean, Batman. None of them are threats no need to single him out.

>>93196569
Fuck yeah.

>>93196631
What are you talking about?

>>93196691
She's speaking forward, duh.

>>93196569
HHHHHHHNNNNNNGGGGGGG

ym gnikcuf kcid.

I had honestly completely forgotten that she was going to be in this arc. I kept wondering who Bruce was there to see. So this is what not reading solicits feels like I guess?

>>93196439
I didn't like the last arc. Hope this one is pretty good. I'd love for Clayface to finally get one focusing on him but some would argue the one with the Victim Squad was his'

>>93196478
>do you remember I'm a lesbian?

>>93196478
she's worse than Harper

>>93196544
Will Killer Moth ever get some respect?

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>>93196518

But Harper/Cass is my OTP

>>93196569
Is really good to see Zatanna on a Bats title, I wonder if she will remember something pre-FP???
Also Cass was really cute in this issue.

>>93196504
this friendship is pure!

i want clayface to stay good and just misunderstood.

>>93196485
>Kate cockblocked by a dying monster

Monsters are the fucking worst.

>>93196504
>>93196496
so, does Clayface know Batman's identity now?

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>>93196631
she has always been saying words in the order of a regular sentence, only the individual words are backwards

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>>93196439
Textless

>>93196569
/co/ told me this book was shit, but it's surprisingly good
I guess it must be all the NOT MUH CASS/STEPH/AZRAEL/TIM/BATS faggots out there

>>93197555
do weird things happen if Zatanna says a sentence made entirely of palindromic words?

>>93197612
better yet, I'd like to see a backwards-rhyming Zatanna/Etrigan mash-up
has that ever happened?

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NEXT

Yasmine Putri did a regular DC cover for the first time!

>>93196478
Why is kate joker bleached

>>93197079
Nope. He hasn't gotten his special arc yet.

>>93196496
>>93196504
.... Don't get attached. Don't get attached. If you get attached the eventual tragedy will hurt less.

>>93196570
FIND OUT WHY BATWOMAN DOESN'T EAT NACHOS, NEXT MONTH, SAME BAT-TIME, SAME BAT-CHANNEL!

>>93196569
Very nice.

>>93196489
Do you prefer this kind of Cobblepot? I mean the "Mafia style, club owner that woks as a criminal boss in the background" or the "Criminal" one?

>>93197323

This. This run has done wonders to humanize the character better than decades of villainy.

For once, break the status quo.

>>93196470
>so what use is he?
Tynion's 90s nostalgia wanking

>>93198241

I like him to be a little of both.

>>93198241
I like the mafia "legitimate businessman" but one that has a past as the more straight-forward villain and tries to pretend that didn't happen.

>>93196496
For anyone curious, this is Act I Scene II of Shakespeare's The Tempest

>>93196513
Before Tynion, wasn't Azrael's "madness" caused by religious magic mumbo jumbo, not some AI?

>>93196544
I'm glad we're back to having Killer Moth be a joke villain instead of constantly trying to reinvent him as some edgy new version.

>>93197589
I actually liked this issue a lot more than the past few arcs (we'll see if it holds up)

Ironically I felt like the weakest parts were the ones centered on the Azrael stuff, so we'll see how much of center stage it takes. I still am waiting for the Basil arc.

>>93197589
Tynion has told the same story 3 times now. This book is so bland

>>93198425
This one looks like it might actually be different. I don't see hide nor hair of some bullshit army invading Gotham. (admittedly the new robo-Azrael is uncomfortably similar to that super member of Kane's army. The Arkham Knight ripoff)

>>93196513
>>93196524
>everything Azrael and St Dumas is now tech
Nah mate

>>93196489
hmmm... I prefer another Oswald versions... Like All Star Batman Penguin..

>>93196504
Good friendship, like Steph/Cass.

>>93196439
Can I request a red hood storytime?

>>93200133
It hasn't been ripped yet.

Much less painful than the Steph focused issue.

>>93196470
Jean-Paul is the peaceful guy in the team. Offering advise and standstill in his faith. I like this version because he like Azrael if he wouldn't have died in Post-Crisis. He is mature and capable, having trust in people around him and to himself. Also he is one of few deeply-religous characters presented in a positive manner.

I think the best manner to envision Azrael in DC Rebirth is a war-chaplain.

>>93200856
Nice - I like this interpretation!

>>93196439
I always liked Azrael

>>93198464
I kinda like it. The order as a technognostic cult is fun. Can give us various concepts. I hope they go full DeChardin's Omega Point Theology.

>>93196496
>>93196504

Best pairing

>>93200856
>>93201101
SOLID interpretation. Thanks for this.

>>93202166
...And then have him fight the church of the Shrike

>>93200572

> we're getting more Steph fill-in during August.

SCREAM!

>>93202974
Whiner. The Steph issue was awesome.

>>93196562
>>93196569
Zatanna is super powerful, she took him down with one spell

>>93196544
Is tihs the first mention of Funky Flashman in Rebirth ?

>>93196544
killer moth should get paired with barbara gordon, she can mentor him and make him at least a competent villain

>>93198340
just wait till he murder-rapes somebody

>>93205841
Did he do that before?

>>93196496
>>93196504

How is it these two are so damn cute?

>>93206228
Cause Cass makes all things cute! :)

>>93202701
>>93202166
Mix it with Hylotheism/Transhumanism and we have our Church of the Future.

>>93198317
No, but the suit of sorrow was magic.

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>>93196496
>>93196504

Holy shit, an actually good Cass scene in the whole Nu52?

Wow. Took them like 60 issues of trying but they managed one. Maybe there's some sliver of hope.

>>93198317
>wasn't Azrael's "madness" caused by religious magic mumbo jumbo, not some AI?

It was caused by hypnotic brainwashing that he received as he was born. This is an updated version.

>no post-Tim-death Steph
>Tynion is actually decent again
Wew what a surprise. Now we need to get rid off Batwoman and everything will be good.

>>93197188

Fuck Harper and fuck your OTP.

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>>93208343

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>>93196439
I'm just happy that Azrael has returned.

Why does /co/ hate this book? It's leagues ahead of any crap by Snyder and King even if the ending to the League of Shadows storyline was a bit weak.

>>93210446
Tynion has written a lot of stuff about Harper Row, a bat-character that seems to trigger a majority of /co/. So they have him and all his works.

>>93210446
I dunno about /co/ specifically, but the biggest complaint (as opposed to legit criticism) is that "Batman jobs".

>>93210446

Two things that I hate about Tynion. #1 He tells but never shows. Like this issue we see that Cass/Basil are practicing. Why can't we see the start of that? Why must we only see the end result? There are various times he does this.

#2 Weak endings. He nailed the opening arc, but Victims Snydicate and League of Shadows
endings fell flat on their asses. The problem with the former was the antagonists just fell on their asses by the second part, and it was more Stephanie carrying the antagonist role via a conversation we never fully see between her and the First Victim.

For Shadow it's just putting a butt load of shit in the finale when he spent an entire issue of just Ra's/Batman talking. Plus Shiva as an antagonist was weak because it's basically the same exact plot from the first arc. Kill millions to save billions because REASONS. More so we don't even know her full motivations other than that. She just realizes Ra's is going to do something even crazier and decides to do something less than, yet that is crazier than what the Colony does.

>>93196569
ecaf ym ni stit reh

>>93210446
>Why does /co/ hate this book

I can't speak for /co/ as a whole, but I hate it because it's the only place my favorite characters are in and they're all either shockingly out of character (Spoiler) or under- and misused (Cass). Also Tynion is just legitimately a REALLY bad writer, his stories are always like bad fanfiction. I have no idea why someone like him got to be a professional writer on high profile comics when he can't handle the basics of storytelling such as "show, don't tell".

>>93210526

Harper Row is trash, but she's not even 2% of why people hate Tynion. Tynion just can't write. His stories are all exposition and people sucking each other off verbally while doing nothing.

>>93211889
>I have no idea why someone like him got to be a professional writer on high profile comics
He's one of Snyder's proteges.

>>93211992

Is "protege" what they used to call "catamite" in the old days?

>>93212019
I don't think Snyder is bi, thought Tynion is.

Great art.