Red Locust

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>>93151169
>She will appear in Champions

>>93151169
The issue already came out, it wasn't as bad as the previous issues but it wasn't really all that good.

>>93151169
So is she going to wield Mjollnir? El Chipote Chijollnir?

>>93151241
>El Chipote Chijollnir
Would be cool as fuck

>>93151228
Really?
Damn, i missed it.

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>>93151169
No tthe first character inspired on Chapulin

>>93151309
She's stacked and shippers are already pairing her with Viv

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>>93151169
>"inspired by the Chapulin Colorado"
There is something terribly retarded about making a serious version of a comical character.
That's like making a realistic drama from el chavo

>>93151169
>design is shit
>it's a woman
>no chipote chillón
DC would've done it better.

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>>93151169
>Red Locust
>"inspired by the Chapulin Colorado".
Right...

>>93151447
Her name is literally "el Chapulin Colorado" in English, you insecure DCtard.

>>93151241
Excellent pun.

>>93151228
We learned she's probably going to be a lesbian robot lover.

>>93151169
shame she's in a mediocre book, but the idea is a decent one and I like her look

Her stupid fucking story had to include "The usually pass down the title to the boys but I'm the only child so I had to show them!!!" Backstory.

And yet another super brilliant engineer mechanic girl in what amounts to an iron man suit. I'm guessing they wouldn't let him use riri.

I guess it is finally an original character. Even if it's not really.

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>>93151241
>that spoiler

Fucking kek
Still the Chapulin Colorado in her can't be unseen.

>>93151169
I'm surprised they gave a teen character huge boobs after that Riri cover drama. She hasn't done enough to warrant a big discussion. She is pretty much just their to fill the void since Sam, Kamala, Scott quietly left the Champions.

and where is the mercenary luchadore knows as "The Saint" and his friend "El Demonio Azul"

>>93151603
So they wasted the chance to give the title to a homeless orphan boy for a sick Chapulin colorado->El chavo metaphor

>>93151603
>>93151684
Holy shit did they seriously add some identity politics edge to fucking Chapulin Colorado?

Marvel is hell bent on pissing and shitting on my childhood, I swear to god.

>>93151169
>Are we going to talk about this?
I fucking hate people who start threads like that. We do not owe you shit because you thought something was important and surprise, other people did not.

Does that opening line work for you in other online communities? If it does, maybe you could remain there.

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>>93151831
Too lazy to look up the whole pages but I had these.

>>93151759
go to bed, kid.

>>93151169
What piece of shit, don't even compare her to my Chapulin

>>93151831
Her power is to have really big titties.

>>93151923
they're all like that. It's Ramos. Not sure why you replied to me. I don't give a shit about her boobs.

>>93151169
Que es esta mierda?

I hate the US

>>93151603
That sounds lame.

>>93151169
They already fucked up her origin story.

Fucking aztec descendent, but her ancestors weren't conquerors at all. They were good aztecs that helped nomads in North America (??).

>>93151475
'colorado' doesnt mean red..

>>93151971
Oh dios mio. Qué esta pasando?

>>93151831
>>93151868
For a moment I though /co/ was fucking with me but nope.
They went ahead and marketed Chapulin Colorado to me in my shitty ass South American country all over the news only for it to be Waid gushing over identity politics yet again.

Marvel finds ways of alienating me even further. It's actually quite impressive.

>>93152042
It is a kind of red
>>93152059
Identity politics aside, the idea isn't bad, it is kind of heart warming

>>93151831
>browns with the huge nopal in the forehead
>"all named Fernando in honor of Spain's king, for centuries"

I know the mestizos were abundant on the colonial days but come on.

>>93152018
Also the skipped over the Spanish and Mexican history of the area.

>>93152059
In googling the original thing though they claim to be trying to make a comic and a cartoon for it this year so maybe you'll get your stuff made by the people who get it.

>>93151169
>Another armor bugman
Lame. Should have made her a creepy organic kind of character.

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>>93151831
So that means her parents never tried to have more children? Or they tried and she ended with like 10 sisters?

She had no cousins or another branch of the family that could get the armor if the whole thing is a brotherhood?

>>93151447
Come on at least make an effort.

>http://www.wipy.com.mx/llega-el-chapulin-colorado-a-marvel/

>>93152236
Shhh. Don't think to hard.

>>93152236
Her mom died, and her dad didn't remarry.

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>>93152236
>giving a mantle passed from parent to child, to a branch family member

>>93152018
They were the guys whose kids, brothers, and wives got sacrificed.

>>93151169
>yellow heart at the center
yes, this is exactally how it should be

>>93152323
Shouldn't you be jerking off about eugenics and how Hinata 2.0 gave Naruto a vasectomy.

>>93152323
Hey if the main fucker can't have sons then give the mantle to the son of the one who could.

When/How did Marvel buy the rights to el Chapulin Colorado?

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>>93151169
And of course it's a fucking quirky girl.
SI, ESTOY ENOJADO.
Middle aged man or bust.

>>93151228
>wasn't as bad as the previous issues
The previous issue set up a "major" plot point (Vision grounding Viv and literally trapping her in her room) and it's completely non-existant in this issue, literally not even mentioned, as Vivi is out wandering around like it's nothing.

Also the character is yet another fucking Lesbian Super Genius Woman of Color that Marvel's loved shoving into their books the last few years so at the moment she's completely worthless and interchangeable with I don't know how many other characters right now.

>>93152419
Never, it is a "tribute".

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>>93152360
>Hinata 2.0 gave Naruto a vasectomy

There's not a word of that I'm not interested in. Please elaborate.

>>93152272
>The father was a man with no loyalty to the cause

Should have guessed. But if the father turns out to be too traditional to not support his daughter getting the armor then this makes no sense whatsoever.

>>93151169
why does she look like Jess Drew?

>>93152323
>giving it to a chick
You fucked up.
Just watch her completely drop her "protect runaways" ancestral mission to go on quirky generic superhero adventures with her new friends, then go full lesbian and end the bloodline.

>>93151391
>she's stacked
That's all I need to hear.

>>93152441
I don't know how much people should read into that. Being grounded ends eventually, you can just assume she served her time between issues.

>>93152456
That's not the problem.

The problem is that there's a very high chance at this point that she'll hook up with Viv, and she can't have kids with a female robot. No kids means the legacy dies with her.

>>93151396
>serious version
>clearly being used for comedy in OP's panel

she's Ambush Bug for shits and giggles, anon

>>93152544
Yeah because human lesbians can just make kids, if they scissor hard enough.

The fact that her girlfriend is a robot doesn't change shit.

>>93151632
The artist is Humberto Ramos, right? Most of his females are flat or stacked, there is no in between.

>>93151831
>mexicans
>honoring the king of Spain
Kek, at least they weren't Maximiliano or Porfirio.

>>93152544
Is Viv a lesbian now? Thought she had a male crush in Vision.

>>93152456
Horton Cells works with humans. So as long as you can make faux-sperm from Viv's eggs, should be possible to make an offspring

>>93151831
Mexican descendandt honoring the king of spain, cmon

>>93152638
Who fucking knows at this point, because it's sure not Waid.

Why though.
The tech suit color choice is going to inevitably just have her be called an Iron Man rip-off. They could've at least added more color tones and tried to somewhat match the pattern of an actual red lotus.
Even if you HAD to make it a tech suit, there's so much variety nowadays that you could go with that this just comes off as generic.

She doesn't have the boomerang hammer, soundwave weapons, communication abilities, or anything else related to the character other than the name and ability to speak Spanish (Chesperin is Mexucan, she's spanish)

And her background isn't just generic, it's a stereotype at this point.

Who is this for? Even hispanic kids are less likely to get the reference given how old it is, and it's not exactly something that's very mainstream, but even with that it's so bastardized from the source material it's barely capable of holding up as a reference.

Even if it's for diversity, she's once again reduced to her race, and thus just gonna end up being some background character in an event, tops. It's not even that hard to do diversity either. Make a good character with a compelling backstory and add some melanin. Yes, culture is part if being a minority, but it's not their defining trait. It dooms it to fail as well, because not only is it one dimensional, but makes it unrelatable to people that don't come from that culture, and just further fuels the rage of a bunch of sweaty white trolls yelling about political correctness because they fear change and can't identify with a character.
Take examples from other minority characters. Icon, Montoya, Xombi, etc. Yeah, they have some relation to their culture but they're so much more than that. Like, there's so many ways to make a character, and they just keep fucking it up.
It's kind of infuriating.

>>93152419
They don't have the rights, Ramos got in touch with the estate and asked if he could make a tribute.

>>93152615
If they were honoring Maximiliano or Don Porfis they wouldn't be male-only in the first place. Both were more open minded on those regards, considering how mexican society was on that time. Hell Porfirio even went to the graduation ceremony to the first female doctor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilde_Montoya

I mean is not impossible to be sexist and still honoring those dudes, but it would be extremely hipocritical. Don't know about King Fernando.

>>93152324
>Not making them be one of the other cultures who were conquerer by aztecs from time to time to get people to sacrifice instead of their own

Of fucking course only Aztecs exist in Marvel

>>93152666
>>93152456

Damn satanic trips on that one.
Also this is something that always bugs me when the "only one heir and it turns to be gay" dilemma comes up. They never think of getting a sperm donor or to get a surrogate mother to continue the bloodline, they just leave it to die.

Well being honest if they are so short-sighted that they only have one heir per generation, maybe it's for the best that they die out.

>>93152694
Because Ramos is mexican and he wanted to do it.

>>93151603
>Her stupid fucking story had to include "The usually pass down the title to the boys but I'm the only child so I had to show them!!!" Backstory.

I don't mind that honestly. It wasn't dragged out it was simply "They weren't happy about it but they had no choice."

>And yet another super brilliant engineer mechanic girl in what amounts to an iron man suit.

This bothers me a little bit. I wonder if it's intentional seeding for a future event that there are suddenly all these super-genius women running around the Marvel Universe.

If not, then they are just determined to make that archetype work, huh?

>>93151603
>And yet another super brilliant engineer mechanic girl in what amounts to an iron man suit.

More for Nadia's neverending harem of genius brown girls, like that one that was also just introduced in Captain Marvel.

>>93152968
>This bothers me a little bit. I wonder if it's intentional seeding for a future event that there are suddenly all these super-genius women running around the Marvel Universe.
>If not, then they are just determined to make that archetype work, huh?

I could see either of those being true.

>>93152955
Leave it to a chilango to make a fuck up of aztecs honoring a Spanish king

>>93152638
Presumably, she deleted her straight programming so she wouldn't have to relive the pain.

>>93152854
At least the idiots at Marvel know that the aztecs existed, they probably think South America was only incas and nondescript amazon indians.

>>93152587
>Yeah because human lesbians can just make kids, if they scissor hard enough.
Worked for Jessica Drew and Carol Danvers.

>>93151603
>All named Fernando in Honor of Spain King
They must have popular during the Independence war.

>>93152666
>Viv's eggs
Mephisto pls. We already went through this once and it left us with No More Mutants and a gay wizard creating America Chavez.

>>93153090
Literaly did n't happen

>we want the spics
A Chompiras inspired villain would be more accurate.

>>93153125
Well she's got a family tradition to uphold. Being a Pym she's gotta make her children.

>>93153181
It's a joke you sperg.

>>93153187
>Implying they intentionally want you to root for the villain

>>93153187
>not a Cuajinais inspired villain

>>93153187
Or Super Sam as a side heroe.

>>93151831
>Aztecs
>Honoring the king of spain

They could've gone with a smaller culture, plenty of tribes across the continent helped the Spanish conquistadors or fought against Independent movements in the Americas so their pacts/negotiations with Spain wouldnt become void.

I dont understand Marvel, they always execute shit in the worse way possible, its like they want to peddle bullshit instead of fun.

>>93151169
Oh neat, Electro Wave Human Tackle made it to Marvel 616.

>>93153454
But muh Aztlan.

>>93153187
Can't they just have a busty tanned woman with a flirty personality who has some wrestling moves in her fighting style?

>>93153511
Will she get killed by ...
Shit. I'm drawing a blank on female villains with plant motif from Marvel. Kara Plast isn't exactly an enemy of justice.

>>93153553
Performs a moonsault on Viv.

>>93153454
I have two possible explanations:
A)The people at Marvel are retards and didn't do the research
B)They did the research but their source was fucking chicanos and nuyoricans, who have a very shitty knowledge about latinamerican history (the fact that some natives sided with Spain during the conquest and the independence wars would blow their brains)

>>93151447
More like a cross between Chapulin and Kamen Rider.

MCU Ant-man is pretty much el chapulin who also was chompiras in the past. Luis is his Botija.

>>93153255
>>93153261
I'm in if this girl's rogue gallery are all chespirito inspired.

>>93151169
>red and yellow
>hispanic character in a robot insect outfit

Is this Hypercrisis

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>>93153553
That would be brown Quetz Which would make her the best damn girl in the whole marvel universe if they did something like that

>>93151831
>Mexican
>Naming anything after a spanish king

Shit, if you're going to play the minority pandering game at least be informed.

This is like the spectral opposite of bigotry. Still horribly offensive just intended to be flattering.

Please tell me the writer is getting told off somewhere.

>>93153811
Her rogue's gallery is obviously pimps and child slavers with terrible themes.

Baron Lundi and I dunno Kokopelli: the pied piper of dick.

>>93153845
huh?

>>93152638
Waid is like the new Bendis, if it doesn't fit his narrative, he just ignores that it happened no matter what plot holes or questions it raises

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>>93154040
This is Marvel we are talking about, she's probably going to fight El Trompeta Muralla and the ghost of John J. Pershing dressed like pic related.

>>93153674
This anon is right

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>>93151831
This is like becoming friends with the bullies that beat you up and raped your family.

>>93153914
>Liking Fate's Quetz
Mi hermano

>>93151407
Also, who names a hero after locusts, which have been put on par with floods and wildfires as the worst natural disasters?

>>93155163
Someone who's boss wouldn't let him name her Crimson Cricket.

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>>93151831
>tfw this is the kind of shit that is offensive to SJWs.
>tfw they will probably just praise it because is a token minority females that says "fuck you" to the patriarchy and won't care that it's an aztec descendant honoring the conquistadores that utterly destroyed them.

>>93151923
How big? I'm not getting a clear picture from this thread.

>>93153065

relive the pain of what? clearly vision didnt raise her right and the wrong kid died

>>93153223

is it possible that nadia is some sort of super ai?

and where is william in all this? does him being a boy means noone cares?

>>93151831
>Named you kids the Spain king
I can understand why they no longer in Mexico.

>>93154800

Worse, mexican culture is extremely fond of holding historical grudges.

This would be like an American hero named the Turncoat or a british one named Commie Defector.

>>93156054
>no longer
*no longer live in

>>93156061
>"Don't worry, fellow spaniards, The Phalanx is here to save the day!"

>>93151396
>kiko fucked his mom

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>>93151169
Well, well, well. Hello there, Tackle. Where's your little meat-headed boyfriend? He's just dying to see me again.

>>93151169
Isn't wearing a scarf a bit impractical when in a power armor suit?

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>>93156252
Right?

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>>93155462
Considerably larger than viv at least.

>>93151169
>descendant of Superman
>in Marvel instead of DC

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Hey, if she's inspired by el Chapulin Colorado then she's okay in my book holmes.
Not sure why they went with "Locust" though.

>>93156703
I'd fondle her T Ts iykwias

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>>93151831
Man that's fucked up, god fucking dammnit marvel just stop.

Daily reminder that only retarded people in Mexico and South America like Chespirito.

>>93151169

well "Red Locust" literally means "chapulin colorado", and the color theme is the same

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>>93152694
>She doesn't have the boomerang hammer, soundwave weapons, communication abilities, or anything else related to the character other than the name and ability to speak Spanish (Chesperin is Mexucan, she's spanish)

I don't give a single fuck that she's a girl or based on Chapulin Colorado. That said I am fucking pissed that they made her a fucking Spaniard.

>>93156711
Those Aztec suits actually look pretty cool.

>>93151169
I want to fuck this girl. While she's in the suit.

>>93156711
>which papa says is ridículo
Ah yes. The ever classic "if they're of Latin/Hispanic descent, they all must speak Spanglish" stereotype.

>>93156711

by modern standards, those are *gigantic* tits. on a teenager, nonetheless.

this isn't from generic 1980s bombshell super-heroine design, this was a conscious decision to make a huge-boobed character in a book targeted at the social justice crowd. its a... unusual choice to say the least.

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>>93151831
>Spain's King

FUCKING SERIOUSLY!?

>>93156925
chapulines aren't exactly langostas, which is a more accurate translation for locust. But hell even I can't keep track of how many names for the cricket family we have.

>>93157213
You are aware women have boobs of various size right? Even social justice types.

Ramos' style is so funhouse mirror no one probably gives a shit but the horny teens in this thread anyway.

>>93157078
Isn't she still mexican? She talks about how her family comes from the brotherhood and they were aztecs -well the page says the pozole is aztec, but I guess we can say the brotherhood is as well, don't know what are they doing up north, the fucking north was full of angry shits like Yaquis-. >>93156711

Although that just makes it worse that her aztec family has been naming their firstborns after a Spanish King out of honor for centuries, wouldn't have been as bad if the family was just a bunch of Spaniards who migrated.

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>>93157222
>Ramos is a damn chilango
>They have an actual mexican on the team
>And yet they can't have a mexican thing right
>Also she has to speak random spanglish so we don't forget she is mexican

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>>93151169
She's pretty much Blue Beetle mixed with Aztek. As in, she pretty much has a wholesale ripoff of Azteks origin with the serial numbers filed off.

>>93152945
>Well being honest if they are so short-sighted that they only have one heir per generation, maybe it's for the best that they die out.
You don't get this crap with monarchies. They keep pumping out babies until you have the "heir and a spare" sorted.

>>93157189
>Keep the diacritic on "ridículo" but not on "papa"
>She calls her papá a potato

They can't even spanglish right.

>>93157358

you are aware that SJWs have openly ostracized large-chested women?

i dont disagree with you, the well-endowed women aren't doing it as a conscious decision to be sexually objectified. but the social justice movement doesn't exactly make sense sometimes, they seem willing to toss the naturally double-D'd under the bus for the audacity of attracting the male gaze.

this was a conscious decision for this book. i'm hoping its to illustrate the above point - a future scene where the character goes "look, i didn't ask for these cannons, that i'm stacked doesnt make me a feminist enemy"

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>>93153811
>protector of the lost and wandering
>ancestors were basically prehispanic polleros

Her rogue gallery will be la migra

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>>93157391
>Isn't she still mexican?
That's exactly what makes it bad. In Mexico there was an era of slavery. Mexican's don't have Spaniard last names out of honor or interbreeding they have them because they were owned by Spaniards with those last names.

The idea that she comes from an old indigenous warrior bloodline and honors the King of Spain is ridiculous. As a Mexifag it pisses me off to no end.

There are tons of other problems too. A big one is that here
>>93156711
she says her bloodline comes from an area that became the United States. Then it shows a typical mesoamerican scene complete with a pyramid. However that style of pyramid isn't found anywhere near the states. In fact I'm not aware of any pyramids found in those regions since the tribes there are primarily pueblo people (nothing wrong with that, just a very different culture). It's almost as if the writer originally wanted to say that "it goes back to pre-cuauhtemoc days" (or something equivalent) but was asked by the editor to change it so that Americans could relate to her.

>>93157525
>prehispanic
Read that page again.

>>93157638

This one >>93156711 ?
I don't know anon they just mention that it was a time before USA claimed the territory and yet the guys there look very prehispanic still.

Does anyone actually talk like that? Interspersing actual English with foreign words? At most, my friends who speak English as a second language will go 'uh... what is the word?'

Pet peeve

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I'M
FUCKING
DONE

COMIC WARS WHEN

>>93157620
agree with you 100%

in fact, your objections sum up the problems with Champions pretty well. Ideas with no thought put into them at all. Result: a shallow, meaningless comic written for morons.

>>93151831
>Name yourself after Fernando VII, worst spanish king in history
>Or Fernando El Católico, who was King of Aragon, not Spain yet

This is fucking stupid

>>93159193
>This is fucking stupid
Champions in a nutshell

>>93157189
>SJWaid shits on half the country calling them racist rednecks
>Writes a Hispanic girl in the most stereotypical racist way possible

Pottery mi gente :^)

>>93151169
Cute design.

>She will appear in Champions.
Abandon all hope.

>>93159150
I'm not sure what the problem with this page is.

I mean Champions is garbage, but I don't see why you're mad at this page in particular.

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>>93151169
Even the Japanese can make a more accurate chapulin colorado.

>>93157472
Are you aware that Ramos draws women's heads larger than their waists?

No one complained when he worked on Runaways and gave Nico huge tits too. Quit trying to make fights where they are no fights.

>>93157468
>Not calling your dad a potato for the sole purpose of annoying him

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>>93151169
>>93159150
You punks keep getting younger with each installment. I'll crush you fast, make no mistake, but do try to put up a fight, please.

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>>93151169

In your opinion, is Hummingbird a better Mexican character?

Personally, although she's another Mexican character with links to ancient Aztec past - instead of one of the MANY other possible cultures or ethnic backgrounds of Mexico >>93152854 - from what I have learned here, that past is ridiculously well researched, like including ridiculously obscure symbolic subtleties you only learn from reading codexes and work of Mesoamerican archaeologists.

Plus, she's fun, insane and kind of "not completely there" (dodging the "genius girl" trope? I don't know if that's a bad or good thing. But it is different).

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>>93161992


Also, although I'm sad Aracely's story hasn't been continued and I was hoping she would meet Kamala here along the way, I have to say...

Seeing this, I think I don't want anyone but Yost or someone good (G. Willow Wilson?) to write Hummingbird.

Specially if they try to "develop her" or reveal her past and ruin in the process whatever well-crafted thing Yost was planning with the Mictlan thing.

>Anon mexicanos enojándose por errores históricos y de representación en un pinche comic
Creía que solo era un meme, es por gente como esta que nos quitaron a Speedy.

>>93152044
¿Y ahora quién podrá ayudarnos?

>>93161992
>>93162028

Also, Humminbird's spanglish is minimum.

Actually, I think she combined English and Spanish in a sentence just once... when she had a headache.

>Kaine: "You okay?"

>Aracely: "Sí (yes), there's just... like a buzzing in my head".

There rest of the time, she either speaks English or Spanish (usually when alone or before she learned English).

>>93160230
Reminder that if Marvel makes a character too similar to Chapulin, Bolaños relatives will get greedy and sue Marvel.

>>93155759
inb4 Vision finds out his daughter is a lesbian and decides to recycle her and start over from scratch

>>93165103
One of his magic surrogate babies is gay and never recycled Billy

>>93165208
He didn't build Billy from scratch to be straight.

Plus, Visions gone off the deep end lately and is probably scared she will infect his system with the gay virus.

>>93165263
Viv was the result of neural network output using his and Virginia's brains. Only the body was "built from scratch"

>>93165048
Ramos contacted them to get the okay on this character.

>>93165318
Doesn't that mean Vision has some gay in him? I think we just figured out Marvel's next big PC shitstorm!

>>93165356
Virginia's brain patterns come from Wanda, if anything the gay comes from her.

>>93165356
How would that work?

>>93165356
Well If she's literaly both their brain patters somehow that would mean she gets her like of boys from Virginia, who's Scarlet witch and her like of girls from Vision.

But that would mean Waid would have to think about it.

>>93165390
Either way, both characters should steer clear of Jean Grey.

>>93165393
Vision is secretly gay but does not realize it, and his attempt to create a family didn't work because of the societal demand for patriarchial heteronormativity forced him into a loveless marriage when he really had a vision for dicks the whole time.

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>>93152854
>>93153087
>>93161992
>>93152018
>This much cringe.

First of all, >>93156711, says the soup, Pozole, is Aztec. She doesn't say anything about herself, in fact she says that her ancestors came from a region in the United States. As I pointed out earlier that is retarded for many reasons (including the fucking pyramid in the picture).

Second of all, Aztec isn't really a thing. It's a term popularized by Europeans who had trouble keeping track of the over four hundred tribes in Mexico. Depending on context, "Aztec" may refer to different things. The only objectively correct usage of the term is to refer to the Mexica (read: Meshika) tribe in the period when they were nomads before they founded Mexico (read: Meshiko) Tenochtittlan and became Mexica (read: Meshika). In fact Aztec means "from Aztlan" (the original home of the Mexica before they became nomads) in the same way American means "from America".

Typically what Europeans refer to when they say Aztec is a big empire that sprouted up around Lake Texcoco in what is now called the Mexico City valley. You see, there were a lot of different tribes with big city-states both around and on (floating cities) the lake. Three of the big city-states (including the Mexico-Tenochtitlan) decided to form an alliance called the Triple Alliance. It is this group that Europeans often refer to as Aztec.

Moreover, the Triple Alliance didn't really conquer people (that's just something people say to justify the Spaniards), rather they created states of perpetual war with other city-states (ones that they could have conquered if they wanted to). Their goal was to keep their warriors constantly trained for battle (it was a huge part of their culture and every male had to serve in their military). Within the Alliance the city-states would organize planned battles (termed: "flower wars" after an ancient Toltec tradition) with the intention of producing sacrifices, this was different from normal battle.

(cont.)

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>>93165676
All of that said, yes there are a lot of other cultures in Mexico that they could have based a character off of. It is true that far more is documented about the Triple Alliance. Part of this is from the codices but it's likely the more major part is due to their warrior spirit combined with the fact that they transmitted information through song-poems (even through a period of slavery where they were forced to tear down their cities to build Spanish style cities on top and had their languages, religion, philosphy, and history all banned, they still managed to maintain their history to some extent). Why do song-poems matter? Compare them to the Maya who had a written language with big libraries containing history, religion, philosophy, and other information. All it took to wipe almost the entirety of Mayan knowledge from the world was to burn their libraries.

The most frustrating thing about them doing Triple Alliance characters is that the writer is often so poorly informed on the subject matter.

Hummningbird just from the fact that she's not a priviliged Spaniard who comes from a long line of cultural appropriation is already 10,000 times a better character than Red Locust. That still doesn't mean Hummingbird is perfect.

Moreover, modern Mexico also has it's own culture and identity separate from the indigenous culture and identity. It has a complicated history frought with many wars and heroes. I am Mexican indigenous and I would like to see a comic that deals with that BUT I do NOT want to see garbage like this!

>>93165470
>patriarchial heteronormativity
gonna give you points for calling out Cis Het marriage toxicity

>>93162191
Speedy a shit!

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>>93162191
Mexicans love Speedy tho. The character is situated on a revolution-like era and it wasn't so far off from how some towns in Mexico looked like.

Speedy was taken out because of ancestors of SJWs saying he was racist because of his broken spanish in the original language, but Mexicans only knew the mexican dub and as such didn't understand what was wrong with it.

>>93165983
So they just need to get native spanish speakers to voice mexican characters and everything works out fine?

>>93165470
>implying that Ultron would make a gay robot

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>>93165676
>>93165692

Nobody uses Aztec for anything that isn't the Mexica on this day tho, and if anything people just ignore that there were other cultures besides them and the Maya because either don't care or skipped history class on Mexican elementary/high school/fuck even in college I see half a semester of prehispanic history.

Also is not as much a conquering thing as much as it was kind of a shitty deal with the neighbors. Sure the flower wars were kind of agreed on equal parts, but Mexicas were the Spartans of Mesoamerica, the smaller groups eventually grew fed up of them, which is when some went to aid the Spanish instead.

Yet I agree that this is just a fuck up from the writer in charge not knowing shit about what he wanted as background for Fernanda/La Langosta Roja. It's all a clusterfuck.

Besides if the brotherhood comes from the lost territory of Mexico then she should be something more on the line of Apaches and similar, Aztlan is theorized to be on Nayarit which is closer to the center of Mexico than up north.

>>93166154
Ultron has all sorts of daddy issues.

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>>93165983
It is because it's situated in a revolution-like era. For Mexicans it makes sense but for non-Mexicans it just makes Mexico look old-timey as fuck.

Also because fuck northerners.

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Best locust coming through

>>93166106
Judging by how some reacted on this thread, the only requirement would be to avoid silly Spanglish.

>>93166192
Hey I'm a norteño and I love Speedy, and pretty much everybody I know does. Except an arts teacher who is from the left and thinks Speedy is a racistic view from the gringos.

Kek at your pic tho, accurate.

>>93166292
>Except an arts teacher who is from the left and thinks Speedy is a racistic view from the gringos.

hahaha

>>93166182
>Nobody uses Aztec for anything that isn't the Mexica on this day tho
It's almost always used to refer to the Triple Alliance. The wikipedia page at one point was "Triple Alliance" but buttblasted Amerifags had it renamed Aztec Empire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_Empire

>and...prehispanic history.
You're right but that's beside the point. Schools in the US shouldn't really be required to learn about all the different tribes that existed in a separate country. They (poorly) cover a bit of the major mesoamerican tribes as part of ancient history and that's reasonable. At the same time, just because schools cover something poorly doesn't mean that it's okay to perpetuate misinformation.

>Two groups at war.
>Show up as a third group and convince one to help you against the other.
>lol they came to help us because they were fed up with them, it totally has nothing to do with them already being at war.

Negro por favor.

About Aztlan, again, that's just fucking weird, as others have pointed out. I agree that she should've been Apache or something else. Though then it would've been a bigger leap to try to convince readers that she's in some way Mexican. As you said, it's all a huge clusterfuck.

>>93151169
How do you say QUE NO PANDA EL CUNICO in English?

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>>93166425

Anon there is a reason why I said "Mexican elementary/high school/fuck even in college...", mostly because I meant it on a Mexican perspective. Americans just outright don't research nor care which is what I said before that.

>Two groups at war.
>Show up as a third group and convince one to help you against the other.
>lol they came to help us because they were fed up with them, it totally has nothing to do with them already being at war.

That's... kind of the opposite of what I said, actually. I did say they were tired of the Mexicas being little shits and that's why they aided the Spanish who learnt their issues and sold the story of "hey we are going to kick their ass and if we win we will spare you some shit".
Fuck La Malinche gets a lot of shit on this regard with people branding her as a "traitor", when she was in fact one of the victims of the Mexicas and she acted on revenge. But I digress.

>>93166599
Po not Danic!

>>93166684
Thanks anon. No contaba con su astucia!

Let me guess: her nemesis is called Mr. Raymond.

>>93166787
¡Siganme los buenos!

>>93166599
It's a really hard pun to work with, you just change syllables' places.

So far seems the English dub went with

>Don't let renic paign

>>93156393
Tell that to Kamen Rider

>>93152195
It used to be like that, but she rebuilt the costume into power armor.

>>93152433
>estoy enojado

https://youtu.be/pRfO9SuzHuM

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>>93167456
>It used to be like that, but she rebuilt the costume into power armor.

For what purpose?

>>93157341
in mexico we call "chapulin" all locust-like shit.

>>93152042
Colorado makes refence to red, when you turn "colorado" in Spanish it means "red" either with envy, shame or anger.

>>93167560

to keep the body horror out of it

>>93151831
As retarded as Superhombre being named Hernan.

>>93156711
When Viv disguised herself as a human, she gave herself blonde hair and huge boobs

>>93157468
That's not a diacritic, it's a normal tilde on a esdrújula word.

>>93151831
>>93159193
>After Hidalgo’s death, mestizo parish priest José Morelos was able to organize a number of the independent chieftains across Mexico, established a Congress which created a declaration of rights and independence from Spain under King Ferdinand VII.

Wait why was Mexico wanting independence but still wanting to be ruled by this guy?

>>93170836
Going by all the instances of Spanish "colonies" asking for kings right after independence I'm inclined to believe that Spaniards were cool guys way ahead in human rights because of their catholic background over the dumb protestants that always rampaged over everyone until they were caught in the act or became inefficient.
Also, that the slavery thing was invented by faggots who wanted to create an anti-West sentiment in Latin-America to advance mostly directionless agendas; the "revised" version of Spanish occupation of Peru is along the lines of that and since that one wasn't adopted or taught by murderous commies and every semblance of order outside of the capital comes from that era I'm going to believe it.

>>93170836
I don't know about the rest of the countries, but in my country's case they taught us that the juntas swore allegiance to the king after he was captured by Napoleon's forces so they could buy additional time to organize their forces and avoid an immediate response from the Viceroy's armies (early attempts to revolt in places like Peru were crushed). Also, Napoleon's figure was highly demonized during that epoch.

>>93171002
lolno, Spanish periods of slavery and occupation were far more complicated than that. There was a period of slavery and it's strange to believe otherwise considering all the evidence. That said, the church's involvement is also fairly complicated in that sometimes they were less heavy handed than the other Spanish political bodies at play and other times they were worse. There were efforts by the church to understand and document indigenous languages and beliefs but the primary purpose was so that they could aid in religious conversion. This is why you get weird things like people being baptized under indigenous iconography and latin-american catholicism having all these weird cult beliefs intertwined into it. At the same time the church was also involved in a lot of torture and banning of religious beliefs. In Yucatan a certain priest collected and burned a mountain of Mayan books. There are a few written reports that the fire could be seen all the way from Cuba (forget where in Cuba exactly). This priest repented later on and spent his later years trying to collect and document all of the remaining Mayan literature (barely any survived).

That said, the church wasn't the only political body at play. Many of the atrocities were committed by non-missionaries. Some are even documented in the codices.

There are even some nahuatl records that talk about corruption by politicians and government officials, well after the period of slavery. Stuff like banning indigenous people from being allowed to produce certain goods so that Spaniards could monopolize the market and so on.

You might want to think it's just anti-west propaganda but you'd only be deluding yourself, especially since no matter what there would already be anti-west sentiment in the region.

>>93169271
Sorry I relied on wikipedia for the translation of that.

>>93170836
The independence actually began because Napoleon invaded Spain.

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>>93165676
>>93165692
>>93166182
>>93166192
>>93166425
>>93166614
>>93165692

>Moreover, modern Mexico also has it's own culture and identity separate from the indigenous culture and identity. It has a complicated history frought with many wars and heroes. I am Mexican indigenous and I would like to see a comic that deals with that BUT I do NOT want to see garbage like this!

As a Mexican with some indigenous roots (not much) & a hunger for ALL history (modern and ancient), that's something I would really love to see too.

And I think Hummingbird could potentially be that character to explore that (and many other interesting things) through. Or at least she is in a perfect spot to be - obviously with a good direction and the support of people who have both a knack & passion for this kind of stuff.

The fun thing about her is that right now Hummingbird is mostly a blank canvas - we know next to nothing of her life and the precise nature of her connection with the teotl - and the "mistakes" done with her are fairly minor and easily waved away by explaining that due her convenient amnesia they come from biased sources (the Coyote, who is most likely Huehuecoyotl, a man with its essence - a demigod/Hombre-dios/something else? - or a human acting in his behalf) or uninformed people with only second-hand knowledge of the truth (the disposable minions like the Lobos werewolves and the not-so-disposable like the Salamander, who seems mostly enforcer muscle with an inkling of understanding).

The Lobos revaled she is rumored to be the reincarnation of Huitzilopochtli. But they themselves admitted that "opinions vary" and aren't probably in the know about what she really is.

From what I understand, reading books on the subject & talking to people, the idea of a incarnated or reincarnated teotl is not exactly right, if compared to say, hindu / buddist concepts of reincarnation.

(Cont).

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>>93173077

There were the transient incarnations, most the ones destined for sacrifice, the teixiptlahuan, where a person would adopt aspects of a particular teotl and with it, slowly become transformed into the teotl (or at least, acknowledged as such) by the essence or force or power of the teotl that would enter or awaken in him/her.

There were also those who momentarily became an teoixiptla for other specific purposes, like curing people or performing rites (Tlazolteotl forgiving sins).

A more rarer form was those who claimed, mostly rulers, to hold the essence of a teotl, of one of the "grandparents", since birth, as one of their "souls" (people having multiple souls). To these many powers & fantastic capacities were attributed and great reverence was given (as long as they behaved & accomplished what was expected of them).

And in a possible greater scale were the ones whose history is submerged or indistinguishable from myth in the older eras: Ce Ácatl Topiltzin Quetzalcóatl, Kukulkán, the Divine Mayan Twins and all the sacred ancestors who walked with the gods & spoke to them as almost equals.


So where does Hummingbird/Aracely lie?


Of course, we have to take into account that things could be different in the Marvel Multiverse, where Teteo & Teotl have to exist at the side of Odin & the Aesir, the Olympians, Dr. Strange & Dormammu, Chton & Gaea, Galactus & Eternity, the Celestials & Beyonders.

(Cont).

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>>93173879

Also, as far as I know, the most prevalent examples of the underlying spiritual metaphysics of Marvel have people with one soul each ala most common Western depictions of it. There could be room for something closer (and a sense, Eternity and the Aspects kinda resemble some properties of Teotl in some, but not all ways).

Also, the Teteo & other pantheons in the Marvel Universe are "second generation" gods and whenever two gods or more of different pantheons appear in the same story, they usually behave more like individuals ala Greek gods or magic super-powered bricks (Superman with some abracadabra thrown in) than anything resembling the most amorphous, changing, boundless, "without clear borders" nature of some of them. That said, some stories depict a more malleable sort (usually Loki's with its "gods are stories" elements), but normally occur exclusively inside one pantheon and devolve to the other approach as soon as a foreign god shows up.

Owing to those limitations of this shared universe, one can't discount the possibility she's what it says on the tin: a mortal reincarnation of the teotl " entity" known as Huitzilopochtli. Which is not bad, from my point of view. It's something kinda unique and sufficiently interesting.

(cont).

>>93170836
Colonial Mexico was a complex little clusterfuck.

>>93165353
He literally said yesterday in some interview that he literally knows nothing about this character but now he expects that "Marvel is going to do the correct" (meaning that he expects that they will pay him a huge and I mean huge sum of money to avoid any kind of legal problem).
http://www.radioformula.com.mx/notas.asp?Idn=690967&idFC=2017

>>93175785
"Chespirito" and his family spend decades fighting one of his closest friends for the ownership of a secondary character (he even died and never reconciled with the "Chilindrina") I wonder how much they will fight for this, how much they will ask???
Honestly I want to see Ramos burn.

>>93153642
I think the explanation is very simple, they have no editors at all and Ramos is a literal retard.

>>93161992
Hummingbird is cute! CUTE!

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>>93175207

But what if she were more? Something else, something weirder? Most codices and oral stories depict Huitzilopochtli as an absolute determined being: he will undertake any action that is necessary for him and his people to achieve his perceived goals. He's the essence of force of will. If there were one god that would utterly break any convention regarding souls & how things are "supposed" to function, despite the insane cost or complete "strangeness" that may result of it, in order to achieve his aims, it should be him. And if there are pantheons that defy expectations and function in their own crazy ways, the Mesoamerican ones should probably be among them.

So, what if she were a literal fleshy extension into the material world of his larger self in the cosmos? What if she had some or all of the essence of Huitzilopochtli + all the souls of all the dead warriors that pledged allegiance and lineage to his tlaquimiolli? What if all the teteo share the same "soul" and she is the manifestation of the conglomerate or aspects that are Huitzilopochtli + a mortal body? What if she had since birth the souls of a Mexican girl and the essence of the god, but lost the first in her trafficking to Houston and now must function with the second and thus her amnesia? What if she's the blend of two, three or four teteo gods?

What if she doesn't have a soul at all and is just a sentience created by the force of will of the universe, of Teotl?

What if Teyolia, Ihiyotl and Tonalli are things in the Marvel Universe and a writer like Ewing can find support for it in some obscure 70's comic?

(Cont).

>>93176479
If they already had Aracely why they did thought that was necessary to create one more generic latin token character, they even could have given this backstory to Aracely given that she basically had no backstory anyway...
Literally why???

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>>93176525

I know that whatever ends up being the pantheon of teteo in the Marvel Universe will be a bastardization of it. But that doesn't mean it should be a pathetic watered down one; with research & work it could be a great one! Something one can admire, feel it has the right tones, that it clicks the right clicks, grandiose, something worthy of being read. Something like what Lee, Kirby & Simonson did with the Asgardians, that even adds good, enjoyable elements and twists to it.

I dream of a good creative team taking the time to explore it in great detail over the course of 50 issues or more. Along with many other facets of Mexico, both history and current reality - showing the secrets, the paradoxes, the diversity of people and places, the strange, the sad stories and heart warming things, the corners and oddities that abound in this land stretched in a million different crossing directions,

And I think Hummingbird, with her dual nature, can serve as our introduction & explorer to all that, with her amnesia she has now to learn again about her home and see how it differs under the light of the memories of the "multiple lives" she had (the ancient Huitzilopochtli teotl who guided the Mexica, maybe previous mortal holders of her essence & the Mexican girl she was until recently) and the "weird new thing" she is now since awakening in that truck container with no memories and an angry Spider clone hobo picking her up.

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>>93176866
>and an angry Spider clone hobo picking her up.
An angry Spider TOTEM clone hobo picking her up.
BTW Aracely was(is?) just so cute.

>>93152042
Technically... colored.
Which is fine, so long as she sits in the back of the bus, I guess.

>>93176015
>he even died and never reconciled with the "Chilindrina"

This is still sad. Copyright sure can kill friendships.

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>>93176866

I want to see her meeting her family.

I don't know, maybe make so they are from all corners; throw a hard-working ice cream shop owner Chinese grandma from the immigrant community in the northern states or Sinaloa, a stern Mayo or Yaqui mechanic granpa from Cajeme, another Nahua grandpa from San Luis Potosí who is a retired firefigther, a mestizo grandma historian from Yucatan. Or make it so she is mestizo from Spanish and Tlaxcalteca ascendancy (the ultimate irony?) originally from Puebla.

Also, I would like to see her grapple with some questions of identity (but not let the whole comic by devoured by it).

Like, Aracely is a "pagan god". What if she learns she was a pious Catholic school girl before all this?

Will she remain Christian? Is she really the same girl that was praying to Jesus back then? What weight does her memories as Huitzilopochtli of the destruction of the sacred city of Tenochtitlan and the conversion of his chosen people carry? How much laughs at her expense will the other teteo have when they learn of this?

Will she seek to reinstate the old ways, accept or reject the "new" religion of the invader/the faith her old grandma taught her in Sunday school? Or will she subvert all?

Does she believe in God? Can SHE believe in "that Spanish god"?

What does she want to do with this new Mexico of the XXI Century? Who will oppose her or help her? Does she have time or the power to do something with Micltan coming (& all the superhero crap too)?

>>93176525
>d thought that was necessary to create one more generic latin token character, they even could have given this backstory to Aracely given that she basically had no backstory anyway...
>Literally why???

I'm all for giving Aracely more background and panel time, but this one doesn't fit her themes at all.

That said, I wonder what would happen if Hummingbird and Red Locust were in the same team.

>>93176904
>>93176968

Beware of hobos, they might turn into giant spider monsters.

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What the fuck?! Fucking Marvel man. Jesus, how many fucking girl geniuses do we need?

> Riri
> Luna
> Nadia
> this dumb bitch

What in the actual fuck! Marvel finds new ways to piss me off every day.

Well, at least someone gets some recognition.
European culture outside France and Britain only seems to have existed from 1933 to 1945.

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>read this thread
>now want to read the history of Mexico

>>93152453
Shut up, Carol

>>93177297
Seriously I really think there would have been less problems if this Kamen Chapulin was a Spaniard from the beginning. I'm not an expert but seems to be that there aren't many people from Spain heritage on new characters.

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>>93177390
But this character is based literally in a Mexican character, with the reruns he has been on public mexican tv for the last 30 or 40 years, he even had a cartoon a couple of years ago, I think he had a comic or some thing like that on the 80s.
He even has his very own catchphrase "siganme los buenos", and a couple of weapons, the "chipote chillon" and the "chicharra paralizadora".
I think he fight on one chapter against (or it was along?) the Uncle Sam.
Finally, he even had a crossover with "El Chavo".

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>>93151169
She isn't bad

She needs some fixes on her origins and I like the costume. It would be cool if she was a spy/bad guy.

>>93177445
>It would be cool if she was a spy/bad guy.

She already wants to control bugs which makes her kinda an ant-man so there may be a chance.

>>93177390
What I mean is that there are tons of concepts and nationalities Marvel leaves unexplored because they only go for things of immediate American interest in almost every case.
Like the only German character not tied to WW2 is Night Crawler.
And he stems from the first attempt they had of an international team.
Eastern Europe is basically blank space, Scandinavia as a whole has... POD/Enigma and that's it?
One would think the Inhumans would get European recruits or something.

>>93178423
>Eastern Europe is basically blank space
STOP PRESSES

>>93153187
>>93153255
Tripa Seca is the true rogue.

>>93156711
>pig tails
>glasses
>OL TIG BITTIES
time for tittyfuck pics.

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Did someone mention the King of Spain?

>>93178423
>One would think the Inhumans would get European recruits or something

That would depend of where and with whom the ancient Inhumans who abandoned Attillan settled down, no?

I never thought I'd learn about city states on /co/ of all places.

Bless you SAnons

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So is Humberto Ramos disconnected from his own culture or doesn't know history that well?

Or do you think he only suggested the introduction of a character inspired by the Chapulin Colorado and Waid & the editors went off the deep end with the idea and made all this retarded background themselves (without consulting Ramos afterwards)?


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>That still doesn't mean Hummingbird is perfect.

Hummingbird *seems* really interesting. What would you change or like to see them do with her?

I'm interested in your opinions, because you all the info & speculation you guys posted was interesting.

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>Honestly I want to see Ramos burn.
Why not the writer?

>>93181353
Cause it was ramos idea, duh.

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She is cute! CUTE!

>>93181496

>Already fanart of her.

Huh.

>>93151169
wtf is taht shit and what marvel is doing with my chapolin colorado, tell me so i can have a proper stroke

>>93182377
A lame girl genius from the most pro-Spanish monarchy native brotherhood around a secret Mexico-based hero legacy,fromwhat I heard. Ignoring the angry Mexucan historians who seem to have made a commendable effort in showing why this is wrong even in 616.

>>93182463
yeah but that is a rip off, not a homage, unless they bought rights to it

>>93151169
Chilangos can't do anything right

>>93181421
Anon, I'm kinda retarded. Is this truth or not? Cause I would find it interesting if the Artist convinced the writer to add a character.

>>93182542
Which they didn't according with "Chespirito" son.
BTW is this the way of Marvel to try to compete with Jess/Green Lantern of DC?

>You will never see a "Charro Negro" Inspired superhero fighting against Alebrijes, Witches, Duendes, Nahuales and other sorts of supernatural creatures from Mexico myths

>>93183638

>La Onza Real.
>La Mulata de Córdoba
>The vampire tree

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The only latin woman in comics that worth something nowadays is this.

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>>93151831
>A latin american
>Naming his son in HONOR of a MOTHERFUCKING SPANISH KING.

Who the fuck wrote this? Mauricio macri?

>>93185004
>La llorona
>La mano pachona
>Cadejo
Shit why isn't there a show/comic about Latin American mythologies

>>93156061
>Worse, mexican culture is extremely fond of holding historical grudges.

Pick a number and make a single file, Hermano. For all of Latin America, holding historical grudges is one of our most beloved traditions.

And yeah, Marvel really fucked up this one.

>>93170836
All independency movements started by "playing safe", just in case Spain returned the status quo after kicking Napoleon ass back to France. Luckily this didn't happen soon enough and by the time the Homeland returned to relative normality, it was too late.

>>93185289
>El Lobizón
>El gigante de Once
>El Pombero > :)

>>93185362
You and the Slavs both.
And their lists are long because historically everyone trampled over them.
Although half of that list is some flavor of German and most of the rest is other Slavs.

>>93175785
If the character is different enough, he will lose. and the character is different enough. It is a girl, there is the Fernando mambo jambo, lives in the USA. Not to mention we don't know if they registred Chapulin in the USA

(can't believe th thread is still up)

>>93185738
After the "Chilindrina" incident I bet they registered his characters and ideas in every country, in every conceivable way, besides the son, Roberto Gómez Fernández, is backed up by Televisa given that they have been using the character for a few years now movies and animated series in the their new Mexican streaming service "BLIM".

We have la Llorona, nahuales, black charros, the motherfucking Camazotz and the lords of the underworld, Mictlantecuhtli, the Xtabay, those flying witches who turn into birds and suck babies dry for shits and giggles, and whatnot... and we get a half-assed Chapulin Colorado homage.

>tfw no book about mexican superheroes fighting narcos, vigilantes, evil luchador scientists, b-movie monsters, cryptids, witches and all the other things that make even real life narcos shit their pants.
>tfw no Llorona final boss
>tfw no lords of the Underworld and the Camazotz decapitating motherfuckers and playing mayan Space Jam with their heads
>tfw no Gordolfo Gelatino: Agent of SHIELD book

>>93185989
>tfw no Gordolfo Gelatino: Agent of SHIELD book
Now I want this so much, with Doña Naborita as Director of Shield.

>>93151169
>"inspired by the Chapulin Colorado"
Looks like a cross between that and Kamen Rider. I immediately thought of Tackle when I saw the thumbnail.

>>93185989
>>tfw no book about mexican superheroes fighting narcos

Narcos are superheros in Mexico

Boys want to grow up to be them, girls want to marry them and be narco queens

>>93185989
feels bad man

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>>93186184
>girls want to marry them and be narco queens
Buchonas, they are called and the girls want to be "Buchonas".

>>93186168
Yea seeing a lot of tackle in that.

>>93186476
>ese culo

>>93186184
>not a story about the siege of Michoacan in shonen-ish format

>Be mix of Spanish people who conquered and stayed in America and native people
>Hate people who stayed in Spain instead your own ancestors
Will never understand this

>>93187048
A lot of gold (among some other invaluable stuff) was sent to Spain.

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>>93157620
>However that style of pyramid isn't found anywhere near the states.
Tell that to the Mormons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephites

>>93187048
>hate the people directly responsible for enslaving and looting your entire culture
>being too stupid to understand this

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What is it with all this Mexican love lately?

Mario Bros wearing a sombrero

Coco is a Mexican themed movie by Pixar

Red Locust

And Villainous savin Cartoon Network

>>93187843
They don't hate their ancestors that's the point. They hate people who had pretty much nothing with it.

>>93181175
>So is Humberto Ramos disconnected from his own culture or doesn't know history that well?
>Humberto Ramos
>Born in Mexico City

As much as it sounds stereotypical as fuck, I don't doubt it. It would surprise you how many Mexicans don't really know about prehispanic history. Hell most don't even know exact details of what happened on more recent events. And from the ones who say they know, half of them have a lot of fake information because there are shills on every side possible, it's hard to come up with objective knowledge.

>>93187900
Trump got a monkey's paw and wished for Mexicans to fuck off. Turns out the fucked off from obscurity and went to mainstream media instead.

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>>93185207
>Macri

Kek

I would have used an Argentina is white meme but I can't find them on my folder for the life of me

>>93188487
I know right? I've been "coexisting" with so many supporters of Lopez Obrador the last few months and they are the most ignorant, pedantic and full of themselves people that I've ever meet.
They apéndice their lives spreading flak facts and the "gospel" of their Lord and Savior "Peje".
Sadly that is the modern México.

>>93156711
correct me if im wrong, but the aztecs were in central mexico right? The united states has been nowhere near central mexico. This is funny to me.

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>>93188951
The Aztecs (Mexicas) migrated from a city named Aztlan, which many believe was in the state of Nayarit, which some consider as part of the north of the country, when actually is closer to being in the center. You could say it was a bad research.

captcha: lazy bryan

>>93189059
so why mention the united states? Call me paranoid but i feel her backstory later in these abysmal comic books might involve hating white people. Like United States call out was very odd.

>>93189223
If I have to take a wild guess, the author is trying to make a hodgepodge of mexican history since the US did won territory claimed by Mexico during the XIX century (Texas and Commiefornia), so the author pulled a bustling aztec society from the bottom of his orto and located it in US soil.

>>93189223
I don't think she may hate white people. Hell her brotherhood family is a bunch of guys with native roots yet they name their firstborns after a damn Spanish king.

She is just another case of not caring to research actual Mexican ethnic groups to not make pyramids appear on Apache territory.

>>93181175
>Hummingbird *seems* really interesting. What would you change or like to see them do with her?

I still remember when she read that villager's mind in Wundagore and became disgusted to the idea of eating cow's tongue meat.

>No true mexicana would refuse tacos de lengua.

>>93151169
>chapulin colorado in marvel
Unexpected!

>>93190815
Well to be fair she still had no memories right???
Maybe she was even a big fan of the "tacos de criadilla".

>>93151169
>Marlel supporting illegal immigration

>>93166192
It's funny because the North is filled with people from the south and other parts of Mexico that keep spouting the same "Muh region is the best, fuck the North" shit yet they won't fuck off back to their home.

Chilangos are especially guilty of this shit.

Also it got to the point in Tijuana and Mexicali were there's more migrants from other parts of Mexico than people born there.

>>93191382
>there's more migrants from other parts of Mexico than people born there.
Probably something similar happens with Mexico City, for example only my father was born here (on Mexico City) both the 4 grandparents and my mother are originally from some other part of the country.

>>93191285
>Same writers live in big cities in the north
>Call the people in the south affected by illegals racist neo-nazi bigots

>>93187808
I know this is fucking bait but I could not be more triggered.

>>93189223
My guess is that the author/editor are trying to relate to both American Chicanos and Mexicans without realizing that they're completely fucking different groups.

>>93188487
This is true. Shit like the Mexicayaotl incorporating beliefs taken from a PhD dissertation that later turned out to have fake interviews with indigenous people should serve as a big warning sign for how easy it is to fool yourself about this shit.

>>93188623
>I would have used an Argentina is white meme but I can't find them on my folder for the life of me
An image macro is not a fucking meme.

>>93188951
You are 100% correct. That image is retarded.

>>93181175
To be honest I don't fucking know. It's probably a mix of all of those things, but Humberto Ramos should have known better (though it's possible he might just not care since the majority audience is white people and dumb Chicanos who identify as Mexican or Indigenous only when it's convenient).

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Sorry for taking so long to respond. Your posts were quite substantial and I wanted to take the time to think about them more thoroughly.

I agree that some really interesting and honest stuff could be done with the material and I do think Hummingbird is in a great spot to do that with.

I am concerned that delving too much into Nahua religion could rustle some feathers (whehter that's good or bad I do not know). For instance there are those (especially in European circles) who disagree with all of the philosophical aspects of Teotl as a thing (they much prefer the narrative where Teotl = God, Nahua philosophy doesn't exist, Nahua religion is too primitive to compare to Christianity). That said, I think it would be disingenuous to cater to these groups.

There are certainly lots of interesting things that could be done with Hummingbird while still leaving things very open. One idea I like is to make her a Huitznahua (goddess of the southern stars) with amnesia. Two notable stories come to mind.

The first is about the Huitznahua woman, Malinalxochitl, who guided the early Mexica tribe.
https://tlacatecco.com/2009/01/29/malinalxochitl/

The second story is neither an old legend nor even a story about a Huitznahua. Most likely it is a frivolous modern invention made up to explain a popular song. At any rate, it has, in my opinion, several elements that would make sense as a huitznahua story.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Bikina#Leyenda_cristera_de_La_Bikina
I could maybe provide a translation if people want it (I could not find an English version of the story), though another anon could probably write it up sooner.