Avengers vs Justice League

>>93145368
Avengers have more scientists and enough magic users to counter act JL's magic base characters.

Take Superman out of the equation and Avengers win 10/10

We all know it comes down to whether the hulk gets angry enough

>>93145519
Avengers have no counter to Plastic man

>>93145406
Yeah Superman bacically makes everyone else BTFO. But even if Superman gets taken out of the equation, I still say the Justice League wins. Do you know why? Because Batman.

Hulk beat the living shit of Mr Fantastic who has the exact same ability

Fantastic even had help, lots in fact

>>93145597
>Hulk beat the living shit of Mr Fantastic who has the exact same ability
>the exact same ability

reed pls

u can't even turn into bycicle

>>93145368
Ted is vastly outmatched there, why didn't they give him someone like widow or swordsman to fight?

>>93145597
Bro, Plas shits all over Reed. Plas isn't just a stretcher.

>>93145637
actually in the canon comic OP's image is from, BB and Panther are only shown fighting in two panels - BB clocking Ted in one, and in another Ted swinging off a vine and double booting T'Challa in the face

so, technically, in canon Ted can 50/50 Black Panther :)

>>93145633
>>93145678

Okay fine Plas is superior to Reed, but read World War Hulk and then tell me Plas has a chance

>>93145368
They all have sex

>>93145597
>>93145519
>>93145406

How to spot someone who only reads Marvel

>>93145368
Plastic man Solos.

>>93145519
While I'm not sure it's possible to kill the hulk, Superman or Green Lantern could just fly him up and sling him into outer space where he'd forever be propelled away from the earth according to Newton's first law of motion. Or since the flash can freaking time travel through use of the speed force, then he could just take whip him back into pre-historic times and leave him there or something like that.

>>93145891
You know thats not in character at all

Hulk would revert to bruce once he passed out in orbit and Supe or Lantern would bring him back down because Justice

Then he wakes up angrier

Depends on the Flash tho
Barry has trouble breaking time while Wally doesnt

Even if it was Wally, Flashes only use time against reverse speedsters

>>93145368

Power-wise, the JLA have it, easy. I mean even Thor won't win 50% of the time against Superman.

>>93145597

Puzzle: what happens if Wonder Woman wraps the Hulk in her Lasso of Truth? Remember, that lasso was forged by the god Hephaestos and is unbreakable, so that's not the issue. I meant: what happens to his mind? Can he stay angry (probably)?

>>93145406
>Take Superman out of the equation and Avengers win 10/10

That might be the dumbest thing I have read all day.

>>93145368
They literally had to get rid of Flash's powers to get around the fact that he'd beat the Avengers before the fight starts.

>>93145758
Hulk literally cannot harm Plastic Man. Nothing he is physically capable of doing would even phase Eel. He could blow up the planet and Eel would still be fine.

>>93145537
They have Beast and Wonder Man.
They'd totally bro-up de facto taking him out of the equation

Flash can solo

Martian Manhunter can solo

JL curbstomp the Avengers 9 out of10

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>>93145519

Not even a competition. The Avengers on average are MUCH weaker - their main line-up is mostly strength enhanced soldiers, nothing else for the most part. Meanwhile, the JL has the world's best tactician and strategist, the world's best fighter with other utilities like a lie detector, a person who wields a weapon that can pretty much do anything, a man who runs at the speed of light or faster, the king of the sea, a human computer who can create wormholes, and the definition of what a superhero is. That's us using the MOVIE lineups.

You are either ignorant or a fanboy if you don't see how DC's heroes are just more powerful. Like one person from the league could potentially solo the entire main lineup of the Avengers.

>>93145597
you can say that Mr. Fantastic has the same ability compared to Elongated Man.
Plastic man powers are different, you can destroy him to cellular level and given enough time he will reform itself.

>>93146221
Crossovers dont count

And last i checked doomsday killed supes with hard punches and hulk has been shown break continents by walking

>>93145368
DC heroes are much more powerful on average.

The crossover had to give Scarlet Witch a huge one time power boost in the DC universe to make it less than a curbstomp and even then the boost only let her do what DC mages do easily (like teleport). Martian Manhunter is much more powerful than Vision and every Flash outruns Quicksilver

>>93145368
Depends on the lineups but yeah I'd say JL takes it most of the time.

>>93145891
>>93145997
Wally actually has a big no-no about time travel, especially into the past. He CAN, but he's averse to mucking up the timeline, which is the base of the conflict between him and Zoom II.

>>93146500
SW can teleport in 616 too. Her powers might be the most inconsistent in all cape comics.

>>93146228
>>93145368
Fuck the Avengers.

How about X-Men vs Justice League?

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They all go to the savage land and have a tug of war in swimsuits.

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>>93146601
>muties
Disgusting.

>>93145368
Which Avengers and JLA? The current main comic teams? Both have comparable abilities but the JLA is a better functioning team. In contrast, the current main Avengers comics team is just a bunch of individuals, with most of them spoiling for an excuse to whomp Doom's ass.

>>93145368
Flash, wonder Woman, Superman and Batman are OP.
Only Iron Man written by Bendis (with preptime) can counteract this kind of power. He would make an Anti-Batman missile.

>>93146221
In the other two meetings Hulk loses but after being able to hurt him.

>>93146694
Which Iron Man? I imagine Doom would succeed while Stark would fail. Shit always fucks up Stark's plans after all. Doom usually only fails because of Richards.

>>93145368
Heroes with reasonable power levels against heroes who go from bullet proof to supernova proof. You can guess how this ends.

>>93146745
Doom fails because of Doom.

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>>93146929
RICHARDS!!!!!

>>93146221

Holy shit. In the Silver Age, even suggesting Superman might lose a straight-up fistfight that didn't involve Kryptonite was HUGE.

>>93146310

Doomsday is like the Hulk... squared. And without Banner. Put it like this. He STARTS OUT at the level the Hulk might reach after about fifteen minutes or so of fighting.

>hulk has been shown break continents by walking

No. At the end of 'World War Hulk" when he went full World Breaker and was at the absolute pinnacle of blinding fury, his footfall threatened to sink the eastern seaboard, but that second step never came. In any case that is still not 'breaking continents'.

Look. One of the Hulk's most famous feats was lifting one hundred fifty billion tons of rock for a few minutes; while Superman could move planets. It's orders of magnitude in difference.

>>93146601
>How about X-Men vs Justice League?

That would be an even shorter fight, unless Emma manages to mess with all of their minds. If J'onn is on their side, even that is not an issue.

>>93146745
>Shit always fucks up Stark's plans after all.

...Nnnnno. He usually succeeds if the issue is a simple battle. He almost always loses from the Hulk because winning a battle against the Hulk is a fools' errand unless you're Thor or something. But not always.

In recent years, Iron Man's raw power has been frequently downplayed because if they didn't, he would dominate pretty much any battle.

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>>93147215
Who jobs first? J'onn or Xavier?

This is BS
what about
avengers villains VS Justice League Villains

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>>93147448
Masters of Evil vs Legion of Doom!

That'd probably be more fun, but it still seems likely the Legion would take it, since many of their members are pretty much evil versions of the heroes.

>>93147257
How do you explain his loss to Carol Danvers?

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>>93145368
Carol solos.
Yaas Queen slay.

>>93147604
Wonder Woman bitch slaps Carol with minimal effort before practicing turtle shell rope binding on Danvers.

>>93145368
To some degree it depends on the specific line-up of the teams, but even then all you're really doing is modifying the amount of time it takes for the Justice League to win. That is, of course, assuming you're talking about the comic versions.
If you're talking MCU vs. DCEU then Superman can solo the lot of them.

>>93147190
He lost to Muhammad Ali dude.

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>>93147413

Against Xavier, I think it wouldn't be jobbing...

>>93147582

Shit writing.

I mean, look at the size of that armor. His NORMAL armor, which is practically skin-tight, provides him with Level 80-90 strength and extreme endurance as well as a range of energy weapons. This armor is... how much more voluminous?

I'm not saying he should have pwned her, but losing was a fucking joke. Especially since he knows she is vulnerable to certain types of energy attack. Years ago, she stated that the communications scrambler on Avengers Mansion made her feel like she was wrapped in sandpaper. That's a pretty dangerous thing to tell Tony Stark.

So, in short, he jobbed, and jobbed badly.
I think that in the last issue it was hinted he was literally fighting to lose, as the only way to end the Civil War, but since that entire event was a fart in a bathroom anyway I still think it was a waste.

>>93147673

Yayyy!

>>93147559
Legion is a fickle group, always a different line-up.

>>93145368


Even the writers at marvel would give the win to the league. Seriously this isnt something new
>>93145758
>World War Hulk


kek

>>93147767

I'd say it's a pretty big achievement for a fictional character to face off with any real-life boxer, let alone Ali.

>>93147911
I'm just saying it's a pretty far cry from "even suggesting he'd lose a fist fight is heresy".

>>93147907
Same goes for the Masters.

I just assumed we were throwing anyone whose ever been a member into the fray.

But even so, the latest incarnation of the Legion had Lex, Bizarro, Sinestro and Black Adam. That's brain and brawn enough to give any team trouble.

>>93145758
>World War Hulk
King Hulk was pretty beast, but it's not a level he can just power up to like a Super Saiyan or something, that was canonically the most enraged he had ever been at the time, and it took blowing up his new space family to get him there. That kind of emotional trauma doesn't just happen whenever.

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>>93147448
Ironically, this would include the Crime Syndicate and the Squadron Supreme/Sinister.

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>>93148067

>>93145368
That depends on the line-ups, the specific iterations of the characters, and whether they can call in allies.

>>93148067
I'd say only the pre-Crisis and Anti-Matter Syndicates have a chance against any incarnation of the Squadron Supreme.

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Let us not be too skewed in our fanboy enthusiasm for one side or the other, both teams have their high-powered and low-powered folks, the main reason the JLA is seen as more powerful overall is because more of their heavy hitters are in the starting line-up.

Keep in mind, nearly every Marvel hero has been part of the Avengers at one point or another including some of their most powerful guys like Dr. Strange, Hyperion, The Sentry, Captain Universe, and Starbrand, and guys that are easily in the Hulk's weight class like Hercules, Wonder Man, Gilgamesh, and even Red Hulk.

The JL also have guys in the Superman class with Captain Marvel/Shazam, Captain Atom, Supergirl, Powergirl, and Mon-El.

Neither company has a monopoly on OP heroes, it's just that most of the time, DC puts their top guys in the spotlight while Marvel tends to have more of their heavy hitters off doing their own thing, usually in space.

>>93145406
The Flash, Martian Manhunter and Zatanna could take the majority of them single handedly.
>>93145519
>Superman flies him to outer space
>Zatana does a Kluh Seog ot Scaps spell
>MM does some shit

>>93148820
What the hell is a spacs?

>>93148820
>Who is Scarlet Witch.

>>93149094
>on erom Hctiw Telracs
Or at the very least they have a reality warp battle

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>>93149156
>Scarlet Witch More No

>>93145637
>>93145743
That's so messed up. Poor Ted, his life is suffering.

>>93149182
In her spells, only the words are spelled backwards
I fucked up too tho, since I switched her name around.
Alternatively, Telracs Hctiw sesol reh srewop

Someone dump JLA vs Avengers already

>>93147559

Pretty much the injustice gang/Secret Society would beat down most Marvel Villian teams.

You would need a team of straight up heavy hitters and even then you need to have them work together. That's the difference between Marvel & DC villains, Marvel's has such large fucking egos it's insane.

If it takes place in the DC Universe Scarlet Witch is canonically stronger than the entire JL. But she goes crazy.

>>93145368
Is this Avengers Avengers or "everyone not an X-men except Beast and Wolverine" Avengers?

Because Superman +Martian Manhunter+Flash beasts most Avengers lineups.

>>93150440
Magic is no joke in DC.

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>>93145368
Flash can solo the Marvel Universe

Adding more JLAers is just fucking overkill

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Justice League all the way
But a better question is why are they fighting in the first place

>>93145368
Superman Solo-Stomps.

Literally any of the Justice League can solo the avengers.

>>93146601
That's even worse anon,

X-Men are typically made up of a bunch of people with 1 power each and they tend to not be the best at them. Avengers and JLA have powerhouses like MM, Superman, Wonder Woman etc that have massive lists of powers under their belt.

And the X-Men have a shit time against bricks, they barely handle Apocalypse and Sinister. Each are shit to Thor or Hulk in a fight.

The strongest strong guy type of mutant is Colossus and he tops off at a much lower level than any of the Avenger bricks. Carol, Namor, Herc, Thor, She Hulk, are all better.

>>93147876
And until a year or two ago standard Iron Man armor made Tony a low stronger than Carol. She is just stronger than everyone now for no fucking reason

>>93147559
Bizzarro is not a villain; he's just misunderstood.

>>93151867
That's not true though, Ted isn't going to last long against most of the street level avengers.

>>93152645
Ted can definitely jold his own against most street levels. Spider-Man would obviously kivk his ass, but I can somehow see him doing okay against Power Fist. Maybe the Punisher. Daredevil takes him down in no time, though.

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>>93152072
He's also more powerful than Supes since he is a better magic user than Zatanna.

>>93151867
Batman/Green Arrow aren't getting past guys like Black Panther so they couldn't solo.

>>93152943
Kek, sure.

DC villains vs marvel vilalins who win

>>93145368
Radioactive nipple laser man could probably hold his own against most of the league.

>>93153074
That's an extinction event you are talking about. Only Thanos and other suicidal characters wins because they'd get to be dead again.

>>93145368
Are we going off that pic? Because if so...

Holy shit, the Justice League mops the fucking floor with the Avengers. When you have Plastic Man, Martian Manhunter, and The Flash, that's all you need, but then toss in Wonder Woman and Superman, as well as Captain Atom? God damn. You also have Bat-god, The Atom, and Blue Beetle, as well as Aquaman.

It's not even a fair fucking fight.

>>93153291
Come on man, every one knows that Martian Manhunter would job five seconds into the fight, he has no bearing on the JL winning.

>>93153291
Don't forget about Firestorm. He could have stripped Iron Man, Hawkeye, Cap and Black Panther of their weapons and turned Vision into a block of lead.

>>93153377
Maybe in JLU, but comicwise, he doesn't job that much. I mean, in New 52, for example, he took on the whole league by himself and left unscathed. And there's the time he was a Burning Martian.

>>93153457
I didn't even see Firestorm. God damn. Stacked as fuck.

>>93153498
Yeah. They'd need someone like Silver Surfer to counter him. It is pretty messed up to think he is one of the few heroes who was never an Avenger when even Dr. Doom is an Avenger now.

>>93153594
He didn't need them holding him back clearly.

>>93151867
Really? While I agree with most Cyborg and Pretty much any Green Lantern can't solo the Justice League.

>>93152943
Green Arrow? No.

Batman has solo'd the Justice League both post Crisis and New 52. He could take the Avengers.

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Who wins this?

>>93154070
I don't think you understand. When both Martian Manhunter and The Flash are in the picture, any side Marvel has will lose, even with Rogue. The DC side is just too stacked.

>>93145368
Overpowered gods and aliens vs powered up humans......gee I wonder who'll come out on top. C'mon, manhunter could handle most of the avengers. He'd be like a boss to them.

>>93154126
this
>>93154070
>power girl
>superman
>martian manhunter
>flash

Avengers only real hope is that Rogue could get to maybe John or the flash before it goes bad. MM could solo all of them except maybe Thor with telepathy (before he jobs of course)

>>93146601
Lol, superman would beat the living day lights out of all the xmen combined. I say this as an xmen fan. They have trouble with the likes of gladiator,.

>>93154258
And don't forget...

"I had a contingency in place, Clark, in case Flash or J'onn were touched or incapacitated :^)" and even then, you have an Alien God, an actual God, and may as well be an underwater God.

>>93145368
Gods vs humans. Lol, no contest. The JLA is just too op.

>>93145406
Plasticman solos

>>93147413
It's obvious that ARGGGGHHHHH GET OUT OF MY HEAD

>>93151347

Even then the Avengers lose a straight up fight. If we're going by every member in each others history the only one worth a damn on the Avengers side are Quasar, Sersi, The Thors, Sentry, Namor, Herc Hulk, Genis(if he counts) & Dr. Strange.


And that's if they survive the initial Speed Barrage of Wally, Jay, Barry,Jesse Chambers & Walter. Yes the JLA has 5 fucking Flashes on their team.


If the Avengers have prep time the curbstomp goes in THIER favor. How? Dr. Doom(as strange as that sounds), Reed, Hank Pym, Banner, Stark & Hank McCoy are all super braniacs and together would make a toaster that would probably murder Galactus.

>>93154619

>WHAT THE FUCK?! CHARLES?!

>>93154832
Nah. All that's needed is classic Doom with prep to take down both Marvel and DC at the same time by stealing the speedforce from all the Flashes and installing it in his Doom bots.

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>10 Green Lanterns
>5 Flashes
>7 Gods
>A literal Angel from Heaven
>4 Kryptonians and a Daxamite
>Martian Manhunter
>Batfamily
>Zatanna, Stranger, Fate, Constantine, Ragman, Etrigan, Timothy Hunter, Sargon.
>The fucking Spectre himself
>Misc: Lobo, Maxima, Hawks, Captain Atom, Plas, The Atom, Firestorm, Animal Man, Black Lightning.

Could go on and on.

Any Avengers team is a literal joke compared to what the JL could put together.

>>93145368
We've already seen how this goes down.
Supes beats Thor.
In retaliation Avengers all gang up and fuck up Supes.
Then reality gets kinda wonky and Krona makes a fortress out of Galatus' Corpse.
All in all, it was a good time.

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>>93145368
I'm tired of fucking fights, why can't they just have cook outs, and parties and just generally get along?

>>93156782
Because Spider-Man would bitch at Batman for Alfred hooking up with Aunt May.

>>93145368
Better question, who hooks up with who?

>>93156867
Why would Spider-man bring Peter Parker's aunt to a superhero function? Use your head man.

>>93148820
Are Zatanna and Manhunter even part of the League right now?

>>93145368
Depends on the roster. If it's the characters in the pic, DC wins, it's not even a question. If it's everyone who' ever been on either team, Avengers win via Dr Strange.

>>93156933
well that brings up another question, are we talking if all members current and past from avengers and JL are fighting, or is it only current members?

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>>93156960
>Avengers win via Dr Strange
>this is what marlel fans believe

Spectre, Ion, Zatanna and or Fate can be argued to be able to counter/beat him. Shazam could.

Anyone with super speed. Strange has never had to fight someone with the speed that a lot of DC characters operate at. Lanterns, Supes, Flashes all move at speeds that put Thor at a statues pace.

>>93145368
But who is writing it?

>>93157092
Four parter, split between Bendis, Morrison, Ennis and Johns.

Quality would see-saw all over the place.

>>93154070
>Cap: Oh, sorry chum, looks like I spilled your drink there. Let buy you another.
>Supes: No no it's fine, shouldn't have had leaning on the edge there in the first place.
>Cap: Well the least I can do is offer you our table, wouldn't feel right otherwise.
>Supes: Awfully kind of you, let's just get a rag first and clean up this spill, wouldn't want it to set and ruin the table.
>Cap: Of course.

Fuck you if you think it wouldn't happen exactly like that.

>>93157083
Has Fate ever been on the League? Has Spectre? No. Fate was in the JLI, Spectre never has at all.
>muh speed
Autoshields, can't blitz Dr Strange.

>>93157042
A very important question.

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>>93157421
>Has Fate ever been on the League? Has Spectre? No

What the fuck are you on about? Yes they both have. Google it.

Done talking with plebs for the day.

>>93157115
If you stick Bendis as the last part, he could write it completely disregarding everything before his section.

>>93145406
The JL have far more capable magic users tho, and other than Thor and Hulk (possibly Herc as well) there's not a single Avenger that could hold their own against Supes tier people, and there's a bunch of those.

>>93151867

Huntress is pretty formidable, but...

>>93151827

An Incursion?

>>93153074

Endgame: Oblivion versus Empty Hand. I dunno.

>>93157421
>Autoshields
>strong enough to stop superman or the flash, both of whom can phase and hit harder than the hulk

wewlad. They couldn't even keep the hulk back.

>>93156563

......Except for Doctor Doom (who once pwned a Beyonder in his own realm) and the Sentry (who quite possibly IS a Beyonder).

Beyonders laugh at gods.

>>93157566
>Except for Doctor Doom
stopped reading there. No point talking with doomfags.

>>93157544
Come off it m8. You and I both know Superman's weak to magic. He's not going to phase through Strange's shields
>b-buh Marvel's magic is science so it doesn't count!
It's magic powers granted by literal god-like entities. Superman's not gonna hack it.

>>93145368
Justice League has more extremely fast very heavy hitters who are still reasonably versatile fighters, so I'd give it to them if there's no preptime

basically just more raw power on their side overall

but with moderate preptime (but still excluding ridiculous batgod shenanigans) I'd say there's a chance Avengers could whip up enough counters to take it though, like >>93145406 said

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>>93157600
>You and I both know Superman's weak to magic.

Cause it's not like Superman fights magic users constantly and still wins, am I right?

I hate people like you, that see "weakness" and think "instant defeat".

>>93156909

Thor and Wonder Woman.

For one...

>>93157145

It absolutely would.

>>93157474

The JSA, maybe...

>>93157574

Not a Doomfag. But Doom does have a record of dealing with especially powerful opponents. The Silver Surfer, Galactus, the Beyonder, and finally ALL the Beyonders... he has stolen their power and taken it for himself.

Vis-á-vis the prep time thing, he is like an evil Batman.

>>93157639
>Cause it's not like Superman fights magic users constantly and still wins, am I right?
Did I say instant win for Strange? I said Supes can't deal with Strange's shields very effectively. Prove me wrong if you want. Show me an example of Superman being able to phase through magic shielding.

>>93157660
Not that guy you're talking to but Stranges auto-shields have been broken by spiderman.

He's even been caught off guard by random street thugs and got his shit kicked in. I think you're fan wanking a bit too hard.

>>93157523
It's canon Thor is like 99% of super strength. And this was without godblasts or the berserker ritual

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>>93156909
Batchad gets whoever he wants

>>93157660
>f Superman being able to phase through magic shielding.

he once broke wonder womans bracers, which had never been broken before or again, pre new 52 when they were nerfed.

They've stopped hits from Darkseid, GLs, the entire Greek Pantheon going all out and the spectre. Supes did it with physical force.

No way do stranges auto-shields stand up to her bracers.

>>93157717
>He's even been caught off guard by random street thugs and got his shit kicked in.
Yeah, but see, that sounds like his early days, and Strange is one character who has power creep over the years, and for whom it is completely justified.

>>93157776
So are we still talking about the specific situation of Superman being able to phase through Strange's shield, or have you given up on that? Because it sounds like you're now making an argument about Suprman being able to break the shield. If we're just broadening it to who could win, you know Strange has fought entire sentient UNIVERSES and won, right? You know that his power is set to protect all of his reality from threats no one else is equipped to deal with? He's pretty squishy on the inside, but he's incredibly ingenious as well. What's to stop Strange from just sending Superman to another dimension?

>>93145758
Have you not read batman's contingency files? Plastic man is OP.

>>93145368
They fight until they realize they need to team up. Did you even read the book?

Also, JL beats the fuck out of Avengers on almost any lineup of either team.

>>93157901
>So are we still talking about the specific situation of Superman being able to phase through Strange's shield, or have you given up on that?

You're the one whose focusing in phasing, whyis it a one or the other thing? Pretty obvious he'd use both, m9.

>If we're just broadening it to who could win, you know Strange has fought entire sentient UNIVERSES and won, right?

Superman has broken universes with his punches.

>What's to stop Strange from just sending Superman to another dimension?

What's to stop him from punching out, like he's done many times?

>>93152943
Batman with prep time can beat the one above all

>>93157955
>What's to stop him from punching out like he's done many times
Shuma Gorath breaking his mind when he gets there.

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>>93157989
>implying superman has never met comic horror mind-rape monsters before

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The better question is, could the JL or Avengers take this team on? 10 v 10 to keep it fair and simple.

>>93158005
What of it? Locked in a universe, alone with a mind-rape cosmic horror, how does superman resist the effects long enough to pull something off?

>>93158017
Current Hal Jordan could take them on alone.

>>93158027
He's Superman, anon, it's what he does.

You've never read him issue to issue, have you?

>>93158027
If Anti-life and Manchester Black can't break him, Shuma Gorath ain't going to

>>93158041
Yeah, I have, and I'm telling you this is one if the issues where he's outmatched. Like in "The Death if Superman". As in this situation (Shuma) would result in the death of Superman. You can't say "He's Superman, he always wins" when it would make no sense for him to win.

Superman has a shot against Strange, depending on the conditions. If he can prepare by pulling some anti magic gizmo out from his fortress of solitude, he can probably use that with his Super Speed to take out Strange who is human at the core of all his powers.

But I'm telling you, if he doesn't and he slips up, and strange has the opportunity to send Superman to the interdimensional cosmic weirdness he has access to, particularly one of his greatest enemies who are essentially impossible to defeat withous mystical means, Superman's toast.

>>93158062
Poison Ivy was able to "break him". Superman's mind is hardly his most impenetrable attribute.

>>93158119
kryptonite and she still couldn't make him kill and he was able to break out

>>93158136
Alright I'll bite, what happens when Superman breaks out of this one. I still don't think he can given the nature of Shuma Gorath, but where does that leave him?

There is no argument if Plastic Man is involved

>>93158166

see>>93157955
>What's to stop him from punching out

He breaks with dimensions fairly often in comics. Even did it in the recent Mxy arc.

Look, I'm not saying it's a guaranteed thing, but he has a lot of experience doing these kind of things. He has, on more than a few occasions, worked with infinities before.

>>93158170
>>93158203

Strange tried to summon a monster to fight Sun God, a superman expy and while it did take him a while, Sun God did indeed kill the thing and survived.

Only reason he died afterwards was because he stayed behind in his universe.

So it's not like his arguments are without precedence.

>>93158170
plastic man can be punted into space. he cant die, but hes not in the battle anymore

>>93154070
On the DC side only batman and aquaman are slower than the speed of sound.

>>93159677
>sound
Light, actually. Every DC character there bar those two can go many multiples times light speed.

>>93159702
Now that's just stupid.

>>93158223
And in that fight black panther openly talks about how Wayne is better than him, flash destroyed iron man and sun god also destroyed the hulk.

But I have to say, the avengers are not heroic. They are not limited by the same code of honor, sure wondy kills, but as long as batman and superman are there the league won't do as fucked up shit as the avengers would.

Tim Hunter talking shit to strange exemplifies this very well, it's not about the power you have or what you could do but about what you are willing to do.

>>93159702
And aquaman can swim faster than the speed of sound too. But traveling speed isn't the same as fighting. That's why I don't name him.

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>>93159752
>t. marvel fan

It isn't stupid and it's not particularly overpowered in universe. Only when you try and company wars with them.

So you're the stupid one.

>>93148087
Names?

>>93146310
Did Superman kill Doomsday twice?

>>93146601
Depends on the roster. Theoretically, X-Men could be a worse match up than the Avengers. Rogue shenanigans, Magik. Xavier...they could do some damage.

>>93147559
Who is that man behind Captain Cold?

>>93160318
parasite

>>93157918

c'mon nigga post them

>>93145368
Current line up Avengers (Herc, Vision, Captain Falcon, Whore, Teen Wasp, Spider-Man) is shit.
Only Hercules and Vision could put up a fight against Justice League but they would be overwhelmed too soon.

>>93159830
If supes can travel lightspeed then why has he ever been punched.
If he can move at lightspeed his reaction times must be lightspeed too.
Literally nothing even close to normal speed should ever touch him ever.
But they do does cause muh "gauging opponent" and muh power creep and muh shitty justification and muh most powerful superhero ever

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>>93157773
Not if the hairy Canadian midget is around, everyone knows that hairball manlets are like catnip to superheroines.

>>93159761
>But I have to say, the avengers are not heroic
You mean the Illuminati are not Heroic. Cap has a pretty strong sense of ideals. Several other members have as well.

>>93163425
Steve is a good guy. But in the DC universe he is not different than blue beatle or captain atom, he is just another guy.

>>93163620
Sad to say, I think that's true.

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>Unfettered access to the internet
>bulletproof
>waterproof
>can breathe in space or underwater
>Mother Box: access to New God info, can open boom tubes across Earth, between dimensions or throughout the multiverse
>sonic, thermal, xray scanners, etc
>can interface with any computer
>can assimilate tech into his body as well as transform it
>flight
>super strength
>can generate heat, electricity and his own electromagnetic fields
>can create holograms and a bunch of other tech shit
>tech has regenerated his body and resurrected him from the dead
He needs to be brought up more

>>93165728
He would if he weren't so boring.

>>93145561

Squirrel Girl beats him off panel.

>>93148087
Out of all the Great Society characters they kept literally the least interesting one.

>>93156782

>Big JLA/Avengers cook out
>Green Arrow's Chili vs. Earth's Mightest Heroes
>Chili wins.

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>>93168570
Would there even be anyone left to eat chili after Thor puts them in a meat and booze induced coma?

>>93168650

Solution: make Chili Dogs

>Thor: Such brave souls.
>Ollie: C'mon, my Chili isn't THAT Hot!
>Hal: Ollie, Superman can fly through a sun and he can't eat the stuff!
>Ollie: Look, Cap is eating it!
>Hawkeye: Because Steve is too damn nice to say, "Oh God, Napalm is in my mouth, please help me!"

>>93157145
Meanwhile, Batman and Wolverine already have their weapons out

>>93145406
>Take Superman out of the equation and Avengers win 10/10
>Take out the guy who can solo Avengers
Good job getting me to give you a (You)

>>93145368
I'll have Superman, Batman, Doctor Fate, Plastic Man, Manhunter and either Barry or Wally.
That's it. Game over.

>>93158223
Read it again.

Sun God got wrecked. The summoned monster was out of control and the Illuminati had to rig what was left of Tony's armor to blast Strange unconcious and stop the summoning.

Sun God did survive getting the life sucked out of him by the monster, but was reduced to skin and bones.

Let's take it up a notch.
Which 1 member of one of the teams, do you think can pose a decent threat for the whole other team?

>>93169406
There are so many leaguers who are outright team killers that it's not funny, on the avengers you've got like maybe five.

>>93166940
This. Squirrel girl is the most bullshit op character ever.

If we're talking about complete rosters with everyone at their most powerful, even if we discount the crazy golden age stuff (pushing planets) or the extraneous meta stuff (Thought Robot Superman/Golden Superman), and even if we put aside Superman's obligatory plot victory and Batman's preptime...

The Avengers have cosmic beings and reality manipulators, but the JLA has literal agents of God like the Spectre, and omnipotent beings like Kyle during the dozen or so times he's become a God.

>>93169473
I want this running joke to die already.

>>93169541
You'll be worm food long before that joke dies.

>>93169598
You're not wrong and I hate you for it.