What went wrong exactly?

Of all the characters they could've used for a spinoff they picked fucking Cleveland.

>>93134872
it was poorly written and targetted at a non-existent demographic

>>93134903
Who would you have picked?

>>93134872
No one gave it a chance. it was a perfectly fine cartoon and no one I know can really make any criticism thats not "It shouldn't have been about Cleveland"
Like, Cleveland in this show isn't even the same character as the one from FG (Besides design I guess)

blacks watch a ton of TV, in fact they watch a lot of family guy but even they couldn't be assed to care about Cleveland

>>93134872
I liked it

>>93134872
Nothing, it was pretty good but kind of suffered by making Cleveland's character more like Peter's.

>>93134987
It was given enough chances to go for four seasons

The writers didn't give it a chance considering they changed Cleveland's personality entirely after the fucking pilot

>>93134992
t. jesse jackson

>>93134987
The first season is miserable, even AD only had a small slump at first. The Cleveland Show was literally Black Family Guy at the start and I think that turned a lot of people off, it did get better though and I think character wise it's definitely better than FG mostly because those characters are essentially just edgy parodies of themselves now. And now those characters never show up or are background characters in Family Guy

>>93134987
>Cleveland in this show isn't even the same character as the one from FG (Besides design I guess)
That's part of what made the show shitty and weird. In Family Guy he was a deadpan character who was unfazed by the crazy shit always going on around him. In the spinoff he was just a spazzy black Peter.

I want to fuck his daughter

>>93134935
If I had to make a spinoff I'd just make it about Stewie and Brian's adventures, but I don't really know how you'd detach those two from Family Guy.

>>93134935
Joe could probably carry his own series

>>93135173
That would just be depressing.

>>93135173
A comedic cop series sounds pretty dope. So long as Joe remains a hardass.

>>93134987
It just wasn't funny. A lot of jokes dragged on way too long, and the writers thought "Hey, this is so ironic, we'll make the characters drone and go on the same joke for 3 minutes." But no, it's not funny if the jokes were never good

>>93134872
>show was supposed to be black family guy
>literally all secondary characters were white

also I want the bear to fuck me in the ass

>>93134935

Quagmire's sexcapades

I liked the theme song for it, that's about it. I also wondered why David Lynch was a recurring character in the show

>>93134872
It was as mediocre as can be, sometimes terrible. Still liked it more than family guy. Cleveland here is more like Homer, which is better than being another Peter.

Honestly better then family guy at the time. It felt less cynically made.

>>93134920
teenagers and normies in their 20s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPJ0xKBvKIA

If we're talking Family Guy spinoffs, I would have gone with Meg as the main character, have her leave Quahog to go to college, give her a design and personality overhaul as well(to totally leave behind as much of her FG self as possible), maybe reintroduce some dropped concepts for her like her briefly being a nationally acclaimed singer, or her having served time in jail

Don't have much else for it at the moment, but I think it could have worked, would definitely been more original than Cleveland Show was

>>93135355
Shut up, Meg.

>>93135173
He does.
It's called American Dad.

>>93134935
>Who would you have picked?

Mayor Adam West (RIP)

>>93135372
Well besides Cleveland, Meg is pretty much the only other major character in Family Guy who could both be removed from the show with minimal effect(Meg is barely even in the show these days unless an A or B plot is focused on her), and could potentially carry their own show(Joe & Quagmire wouldn't be able to carry their own shows, and no one else in the family really works either, as Peter, Lois, Brian, and Stewie are all too essential, and Chris is too young and one dimensional in personality to work as a show's primary protagonist)

>>93135159
this

>>93135569
The only problem is most writers on Fox don't know how to write for a female teen character. Why else do you think Meg and Hayley (from AD) have so little screen time?

>>93134872
You for watching it.

>>93135529
What the hell is Family Guy going to do about this?

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>>93134935
Who else but Quagmire?

>>93134935
>>93137008
>>93135270
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwd4PyTyG1o

>>93136989
>"This is worse than the they time Mayor Adam West died!"

>*death scene with shoehorned gore*

>Peter breaks the 4th wall and explains this is how they're writing him out of the show

Never found its footing. Watching it just felt like a mediocre version of Family Guy whose writing even at its best was never too much to write home about. American Dad was hitting classic episodes by the end of the first season and Futurama was the same. Cleveland was treading water well past that point. Not even a breakout character to kind of keep bringing in a few people to see where they're going with them. Roger, Stewie, Bender, Bart...Cleveland Jr. had his moments but even he never quite found a comedy niche to fill that some other characters could start to orbit around like the other characters I mentioned.

>>93137072
That actually sounds quite possible.

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>>93134872
show least had some fappable characters

>>93134872
The fact that Cleveland's character was "Not very interesting black guy" and they decided to change his character to "Generic over-active black guy #7"

>>93137115
>tfw they just glossed over the fact she jacked Cleveland off and stole his baby gravy

>>93136989
Say that the old mayor retired and introduce the new mayor. Simple.

>>93135115
Roberta's the most f'able of the three seth show daughters and she's probably treated worse than meg in terms of characterization/focus.

how?!!


though I find his supporting cast better than the other two's.

>>93134872

hey seth can you make a 3rd show, but make it about black people cause obamas president now, thanks.

i swear we would have gotten "girl" family guy if Hilary was president.

>>93134872
What went right?

>>93137116
There is nothing generic about Cleaveland.

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>>93137115

>>93137115
Anyone else also like her younger version?

>>93134872
They literally just tried to make "Black Family Guy" and expected a success.
It has some good parts but it's mostly just kinda meh. Family guy barely squeaks by just being Family Guy now, we didn't need two of them. At least American Dad, which is the same formula character-wise, did something different and ran with it. It's imo the best of the three McFarfag shows.

>>93135159
They use clones as a replacement. Or Robots. Or the first season is about a cult of people who froze time to live forever but they are immune against this due to plot armor so they try to unfix the time freeze.

>>93134872
Cleveland is not supposed to be an angry black Peter.

>Make a spin off for the character with no personality
>Turn him into black Peter to make up for it

Dick shaped logo

>>93137100
wait so we all agree that all the people who still watch family guy (myself included) do so because of stewie?

>>93138908

From what little I see of Family Guy nowadays he's the only character I find any fun. Somehow compared to everyone else he's become the most consistently written character and while EVERYONE else literally bathes in being a crass asshole Stewie seems to do his silly adventures while avoiding being a complete dick to everyone. I think because he's a baby that has been clearly established as unable to talk to anyone in the main group outside Brian this had unwittingly helped the writers because he doesn't have as much of an opportunity to be a complete asshole. A snide remark here or there but beyond that he's kind of forced to do his own thing unless Brian is involved.

First Episode:

>Cleveland is an actual character with a moral compass, interests, and drive that don't change to fit the convenience of a cheap joke. He leaves Quahog because he's not the type of person who will be fine living out one meaningless adventure after another. He goes out and gets the girl he wants even after the years have passed because true love is real, works hard to win over her kids, and remains a loving father to his own son. He is a calming influence, but that doesn't mean he won't stand up for what he believes in.

Second episode until end of the series:

>Cleveland is a fat lazy slob with low impulse control that Loretta has to regularly yell at to get off the damn couch. Because he is so lazy, things have to happen to him on a regular basis instead of him doing things. He has a Stan Smith level of embarrassment about Cleveland Jr's nerdy hobbies and lack of physical prowess and every time he has to interact with Loretta's kids he has to let out a sigh. The episodes are either driven by a conflict created by Cleveland's sefishness at the expense of someone he supposedly loves or his laziness to prevent a conflict that he saw coming and has to be convinced to address the hassle.

>>93134872
Out of character: The series

I thought it was good by the third and 4th seasons when the characters finally settled in. Roberta started to become responsible, Rollo has become a teeny bit tolerable, then there are people like Freight train being a mystery novelist. The CS side characters are easily better than Family guy characters Id say they are almost American dad level by the end.

>>93134872
>>93134987
>fat, dumb, main character who gets up to goofy shenanigans

It's just Family Guy with a worst cast and a main character who's boring.

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Had Cleaveland Jr. ever appeared in Familly Guy, before the Cleaveland show?

>>93138908
Family Guy doesn't have characters anymore. Just an assortment of archetypes that twist for series of disconnected gags. I don't think Stewie holds monopoly on funny gags.

Tried to make it black family guy instead of its own thing. It actually got pretty solid once it got its own footing in the late third and fourth seasons, but by that time it's head was already on the chopping block.
It would have been better if they decided to do the go your own route thing like American Dad did way earlier instead of purposefully playing the role of Family Guy second banana.

>>93139040

yeah, a s a thin ADHD kid.

>>93139040
Could you be more underage

>>93134872

it was family guy with more likeable characters so naturally americans couldn't relate to it

>>93139012

>Loretta

wat

>>93135173
this. fucking this.

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>>93135173
>But he can't even carry himself

>>93134872
Instead of using a black family to create interesting new character archetypes outside family guy (like american dad did) they just made black versions of the griffins, then watered them down even further.

>>93135173
Joe would strictly be the main source of comedy all the time and this would wear out its welcome very quickly.

He's already the funniest character in Family Guy. May as well leave him at that.